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honestbleeps Jun 9, 2021 +565

this really sucks. I get it. Business is business and if it's losing you money you're going to shut it down -- but I really wish listnook would have considered finding a way to hand this back to the community rather than killing it. I know, you don't take it lightly and you're sad about it too... but the community created it, listnook acquired it, and listnook's the one choosing to let it die and that's a bummer. listnookgifts has brought me occasional joy and surprises in a way that few things have, and this really, really sucks. EDIT: you could've also come up with alternative ways to make it net-zero or maybe even profitable -- like offering participation via listnook premium or some other means, I dunno, I haven't spent much time thinking about this but I feel like there are likely better alternatives than just killing it outright.

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kickme444 Jun 9, 2021 +10469

Hello, I started listnookgifts and am very proud of what we did and how listnook continued it. Everyone who helped over the years were amazing and we, and the community at large helped to make people happy, even if just a little bit. So, thank you everyone. Lastly, I’m sure this will be ignored, but I would like to offer to completely take over listnookgifts again. You can keep everything about it, I will even run your ads and you can keep all of the profits. I will pay for hosting, do all developments and support/community work. Thank you everyone for the memories! Listnook admins, you know how to reach me if you ever want. **Edit: Well, check out r/newsecretsanta for a new future and a trip down memory lane.**

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Camwood7 Jun 9, 2021 +158

> Lastly, I’m sure this will be ignored, but I would like to offer to completely take over listnookgifts again. You can keep everything about it, I will even run your ads and you can keep all of the profits. I will pay for hosting, do all developments and support/community work. F*** if Listnook lets you "formally" continue it, just do it mate, you have the power

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Dapper_Monroe Jun 9, 2021 +738

Do this but please do not volunteer your hard work and money to Listnook for doing so. While there should be an agreement that works for you both, you shouldn't pay a third party to keep something that was originally yours alive. And FYI they make thousands of dollars a day off ad revenue.

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VietKong Aug 12, 2021 +13

> they make thousands of dollars a day off ad revenue. But also, their operating expenses still exceed their revenue. Always have. So it's very much about the money and the planned IPO. This site is increasingly becoming corporate. I get enough of the corp doublespeak at work.. Don't have a taste for it outside the office.

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JagmeetSingh2 Jun 9, 2021 +348

listnookgifts was probably one of the best things to ever come out of listnook, it was something no other social media site was capable of doing on such a scale and now they're killing it. Sucks to see hope they allow you to take it over again but sadly with how listnook has been operating I don't think it'll happen.

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atomcrusher Jun 9, 2021 +92

It's brought a lot of people a lot of joy. Especially last year around Christmas when things were pretty rough. It _can't_ end here.

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5days Jun 9, 2021 +39

The USPS was having such a hard time I actually worried about how it would affect listnookgifts.

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MustacheEmperor Jun 10, 2021 +11

> listnookgifts was probably one of the best things to ever come out of listnook Exactly, and now Listnook has raised millions upon millions of dollars in VC partly thanks to stories like secret santa, the founders and upper management are comfortably wealthy, and it's not worth any effort to them anymore. Thanks for the maserati and farewell from alex ohanian!

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5days Jun 9, 2021 +1195

I would volunteer my time to help. Creating listnookgifts was the beginning of my career and will always be the highlight. There is nothing else like the community created around it. So many thoughtful, creative people.

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DeerProud7283 Jun 9, 2021 +120

My Guinness World Record certificate is still in the envelope I got it in years ago lol. This is how good I've gotten at procrastinating, I've been always postponing having it framed

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5days Jun 9, 2021 +45

I got emails from that thread for years. It's been a while now. It was so horrifying when it happened. I remember the pit in my stomach distinctly.

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nippon_gringo Jun 10, 2021 +17

That giant email chain from Guinness’ screwup is still going even today although many of the emails are no longer valid. It’s been neat seeing people write about how their life has changed over the years.

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5days Jun 9, 2021 +29

It really was so exciting back then. I had no idea that it would become something and go on for years. Thank you for being a part of it : )

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banana_ji Jun 9, 2021 +17

I've always been too anxious and have too many trust issues to do this Secret Santa exchange on Listnook. But now that it's being taken away by Listnook, I feel quite gutted for the people who do love it. I hope you can take it over again and considering what people say about Secret Santa generally on this comment thread, it seems like it has been a general overall pleasant experience and I'd like to try it out personally because of the reviews. so if you take it over again, just know a bunch of people here would gladly follow with you :)

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Schrockwell Jun 10, 2021 +17

Hi Dan, I just wanted to say hi and thank you for the opportunity to be part of the first Listnook gifts exchange in 2009. You probably don’t remember me, but I did some of the original site design. That feels like a lifetime ago, now. Looking back at our email exchanges, your ability to scrappily put this together and blindly accept help from a college kid is really admirable. I do web development for a living now, and it’s the small successes like this that really guided me on my way here. So, thanks.

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omni_wisdumb Jun 9, 2021 +20

Can you give YOUR side of the story? I remember I was taking part in this way back when. How did the company officially take it from you and make it into an official event system under their management? And what's stopping us from continuing it now? I'm assuming it's not like it was 5-10 years ago and nowadays they will sue you if you try to run an event using their brand without permissoin. Thanks!

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Emmx2039 Jun 9, 2021 +91

Wow, it's [actually you...](https://www.listnook.com/r/secretsanta/comments/a2yr1/subscribe_to_this_sublistnook_if_you_are_interested/) (first post on sublistnook?) You really did put in a substantial amount of effort into getting that sublistnook going - there's a good few hundred posts in your name there. Must be sad to see it go like this :(

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Do_You_Remember_2020 Jun 9, 2021 +37

Dan, even if they don't reach out to you, let's resurrect it. Far too many happy memories about listnook gifts. This time though, let's make sure there's 0 copyright claims or IP claims they can make. We'll figure out how to pay for it. But let's keep it community driven.

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theeternalvillain Jun 9, 2021 +16

I'm just here to say: from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU. And, whoever is shutting Listnookgifts down, please be decent and hand it back! There are literally millions of people who want to continue the exchanges. And it was this guy's idea in the first place! You have your reasons not to do it any more, okay. The founder still wants to. It's time to give it back.

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kickme444 Jun 9, 2021 +190

Hi everyone, thanks for the nice words. Have a join here and let's talk! https://www.listnook.com/r/newsecretsanta/

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show_the_maw Jun 9, 2021 +12

I don’t know if you’ll see this or not but I really appreciate everything you’ve done. I never once got scrooged and everyone I I interacted with was amazing. Sadly I haven’t participated the last few years and for that I regret. You’re an amazing individual and I hope you once again regain your project of love.

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Squirrelsindisguise Jun 9, 2021 +75

Honestly I’d rather everyone crowdfund for you to have your own platform, although I understand if that wouldn’t be viable.

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stamp_of_approval Jun 9, 2021 +52

Hey! I did your first ever exchange back in 2009! You've brought a lot of joy to my life <3

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leftonconnor Jun 9, 2021 +392

I’m not sure I see any justification for this. As a mod, I cannot see where any significant improvements are being made for user experience at the moment that users have actually asked for. And now you are removing one of the most beloved features of the platform? Why? I would say there is a larger than known subset of users who look forward to the gift exchanges as a way of community and connection that you are now depriving them of. I strongly hope you reconsider cutting this platform and consider not only the potential user loss but the goodwill capital gained from these exchanges.

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TimeMachineToaster Jun 9, 2021 +39

Even worse, how does this improve the issues they mentioned here specifically? Nothing about this gift exchange takes away from the points they mentioned above. It's completely counter intuitive to take away from things many users enjoy to improve the user experience. Some idiot got promoted and is trying to make a name for themselves I'll bet.

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shadowCloudrift Jun 9, 2021 +547

I legit enjoyed Secret Santa. I do well financially, and it felt good to make someone's holiday a little better especially if they were struggling. There was fun to be have in searching for that perfect gift. I never really cared if someone never sent me anything since that was what happened the first time. Nevertheless, the second time I did Secret Santa someone did send me something and for me I actually appreciate the effort and thought, especially when she wrote a handwritten note to go along with the gifts. It made my day.

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babygrenade Jun 9, 2021 +55

I never did the secret santa - but really liked the fact that there were engaged people making it happen.

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mojoriv Jun 9, 2021 +17

100% ! I love the idea of gifting a stranger and making their day. I've made several listnook friends through secret Santa too. This was a terrible decision!

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CannedWolfMeat Jun 9, 2021 +107

> We made the difficult decision to shut down Listnook Gifts and put more focus on enhancing the user experience on Listnook - this includes investing in the foundation of our platform and moderator tools, making it more accessible for people around the world and evolving how people engage with one another. Please elaborate on how shutting down the Secret Santa - arguably one of the most engaging, connective and personal experiences you could do on this site - falls in line with your idea of "evolving how people engage with one another"?

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loudest_banana Jun 9, 2021 +729

You're killing one of the most fun parts of the listnook experience? You are completely destroying the things that made this site so special. Despite the new account I've been a listnookor for a decade and taken part in numerous exchanges. Each one has been an absolute delight. Why you can't pass it on as an unofficial project (as it originally was) to those who were the most instrumental in its success is beyond me. This is honestly a travesty.

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shhalahr Jun 9, 2021 +353

>enhancing the [user experience](https://www.listnook.com/r/blog/comments/mqcpcg/you_want_a_better_listnook_search_ok_were_on_it/) Aren't community events as much of the experience as the tech? If not more? > Countless acts of love, heroism, compassion, support, growth and hilarity happened through Listnook Gifts, and those memories will live on in the hearts of our community. But apparently they weren't a valuable enough part of the user experience.

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essie Jun 10, 2021 +19

u/KeyserSosa As a Listnookor for more than 15 years, I'm beyond appalled that you're literally deciding to cancel Christmas. And you don't even have the common courtesy to give users a real explanation for this beyond spouting bullshit corporate jargon. Promising to answer questions and then not even having the basic decency to do what you promise is just the cherry on top. You're actively killing the community that helped Listnook become successful, and undermining an event that created real joy in a way that pretty much no other social platform has been able to while bringing thousands of new users to the site and creating a tremendous amount of positive PR. It's beyond disappointing that Listnook's leadership seems to have lost any sense of what makes the platform special or unique. This is an incredibly sad day, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

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MrRGnome Jun 9, 2021 +580

You have done nothing but make the Listnook user and moderator experience worse over the last 6 years. Pretending you need to sacrifice community programs that are adored and working to continue to shovel some of the worst engineered features deployed to a social media site (Listnook chat for example) is dishonesty that only serves to justify an unjustifiably incompetent technical direction.

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Dapper_Monroe Jun 9, 2021 +58

And they still do absolutely nothing about power tripping bully mods. I have reported a particular mod to listnook multiple times for over a year. So has 3 other people. Each time listnook do the grand total of f*** all to remove her from the position despite them having a long list of comments and history bullying and threatening people. Literally zero. She even accepted a bribe from one user who was rightfully banned for telling someone to kill themselves and she let them back onto the sublistnook. And nothing was done.

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MrRGnome Jun 9, 2021 +20

Yes, same. I even sent listnook admins links and reports to dozens of instances of power user mods abusing their user bases, by for example verbally harassing anyone who applied for ban appeals (which I had the privilege of observing when the old mods were cleared out and new ones brought in by the sub owner). I then saw users verbally harassed by said mods ambiguously describe said given subs abusive past mods as "pricks" and listnook's anti-evil teams was adamant that had to be removed. of course the harassing abuse of the users by the power user mods were allowed to continue in the hundreds of subs they mod.

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Organic-Connection-4 Jun 9, 2021 +4116

What’s with you guys? I mean you have phoned in the April fools day thing multiple years in a row now. Now you kill off Listnook gifts. You’re not broke. It’s like an attitude of complacency and defeatism has permeated your company, Listnook’s not as fun as it once was. Edit: r/newsecretsanta exists, made by the original creator of the whole thing. Consider checking them out

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ILikeULike55Percent Jun 9, 2021 +482

Yeah, but now you’ll be able to buy and award people a jingle bells award!!! You buy them, and a very small part of the proceeds go to the charity of our choosing that our cousin vinny runs! Fun, right!?!! They’re just trying to give you a sense of accomplishment (or whatver that EA quote was).

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +118

The fact that this thread is filled with people giving awards speaks volumes about the community. I don't mean to be harsh, but its just so stupid. People financially rewarding listnook for listnookors top-class putdowns? Stupid.

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Organic-Connection-4 Jun 9, 2021 +37

I’d bet a good amount of money that a significant fractions of those awards are the admins trying to make the thread look shinier

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shhalahr Jun 9, 2021 +23

What do you mean it's not fun? Did you not see the link in the post. You'll have nifty search and mod tools? Is that not more fun than actual community engagement? (**/S**)

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SnaggyKrab Jun 9, 2021 +185

> evolving how people engage with one another. Like through an enormous Secret Santa exchange that brings excitement and joy to thousands of people every year? Yikes. >We’re hopeful that spirit will continue in the future. The easiest way for that to happen is for you to just keep it going. Honestly, this seems like a horrible idea. What an absolute shame.

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Av3ngedAngel Jun 9, 2021 +11

This is one of the most ill advised moves I have seen from a company in recent history. Do you guys even have a marketing department? Or is it more of a 'throw shit at the wall and see what sticks' kind of arrangement? You guys literally cancelled Christmas. This is hilariously bad management, and whoever is in charge of listnook's marketing team really needs to be re-evaluated. The reasons given don't actually make any sense either; what does investment, moderator tools and access have to do with a season gift giving event? In this post you guys have literally said that it doesn't take any software or resources, and that it's always been the work of the community of users in r/secretsanta that made it possible; >*The power of Listnook Gifts was never in the software, and has always belonged to the r/secretsanta community of gifters around the world, which has connected people and been an extension of our mission to bring community and belonging to everyone in the world. We’re hopeful that spirit will continue in the future.* So why would you use *focusing your resources* on those previously mentioned areas as an excuse? It just doesn't make any sense. Those resources do not interact. It's like saying I will no longer drive my car because I'm going to focus on my diet. I think you guys really need to do some re-hiring in marketing, I'm a forklift driver and even I know that shutting down a tradition like this is just an absolutely foolish move.

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Throwawayingaccount Jun 9, 2021 +1458

Suggestion: Stop "Enhancing" the user experience. You're making it worse. Everyone I know of uses old.listnook.com, if they've heard of it. Basically, all this announcement says to me is "We've decided to stop one of the good things we do, so that we have more time to shit on your cereal every morning."

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[deleted] Jun 10, 2021 +29

I've been using Baconreader for almost a decade. For me, it is the ideal listnook experience. No in-line gifs and images I don't care to see. No custom sublistnook visual noise. Perfect dark mode UI. Hasn't changed a bit in years. I also haven't browsed listnook via desktop browser in years.

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Weekly_Eye_7070 Jun 10, 2021 +87

Runs like shit, crashes constantly, and has piss poor design. I feel really bad for whichever intern they have running PR, they must get a lot of shit for being marketing's fall guy. Hey listnook marketing department: eat a bag of dicks. Hang in there intern, a better job is coming.

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[deleted] Jun 10, 2021 +16

This is what I find funny. Big wigs get to make these decisions and make it sound as flashy as possible, when in all actuality, it sucks. They won't ever admit it though. There could be 5000 posts that say it sucks, but that won't affect anything. Although I bet if there were any impact on their pocket book, they'd suddenly jump up to suddenly declare they found the enhanced features had a flaw, and thought it best to change it (make it worse), or revert it back to something with bugs in it, so that it can change later on down the road again.

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TheFlashFrame Jun 10, 2021 +13

> the main one runs like shit and crashes constantly. There are 2 constant bugs in that app. One of them will cause the audio from a video ad to play when a banner ad at the top of the comments section is on screen. This audio frequently overlaps the audio from the actual f****** video you're watching. The other bug will cause the app to scroll back to the top of the thread repeatedly to play the video or view the image well after you've finished it and moved on. Sometimes it will even show you the content from the *next post, after* the one you're reading the comments on. These bugs have existed for months on the *official* app and the admins need to kill Secret Santa to fund fixing it, I guess?

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JoelMahon Jun 9, 2021 +196

if they ever stop old.listnook that may be the day I actually quit, the new experience is so laggy on my tablet despite all this time

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +200

No. You don't want to enhance the experience. So many changes to this site have been hated by almost everyone, such as the redesign which utterly screws up so many communities. If you cared about experience, we wouldn't have to pay for ad free browsing. We wouldn't have to pay for avatars. It's money, not experience, that you want. Stop lying and cope clean.

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catturdcanyon Jun 9, 2021 +784

Listnook's golden age is drawing closer to an end with getting rid of the gift exchanges. You're implementing this to enhance the user experience by ending a user experience? I don't fully understand the reasoning since it was mostly volunteers/community run. I've been doing Secret Santa for years, it's been a good run I guess. F for respects.

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brockford-junktion Jun 9, 2021 +24

The time to improve listnook's search function was over a decade ago before the upvote system changes hid all the older counter. They're shutting the barn door after cooking the horse on that one.

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WizardSenpai Jun 9, 2021 +234

this is a poor choice. also if you want to invest elsewhere, 1. revert the UI to old listnook and make new listnook the optional one, 2. rebuild your completely shit app or ill never stop using apollo, 3. make the mobile website less disgusting - it constantly reroutes you to install your garbage app. it just makes me leave the content behind, im not using your shit app unless you fix it and you make it hard to share content with people who dont normally use listnook.

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rocky7474 Jun 9, 2021 +344

What does getting rid of Secret Santa and Listnook Gifts have to do with making Listnook better? Gifting joy to random strangers is a perfect encapsulation of what Listnook was supposed to be. You should get some better decision makers ASAP. What an unnecessary and weird choice.

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booty_granola Jun 9, 2021 +34

Why gift joy when you can live chat or Livestream with other listnookors? It provides far more valuable data and platforms to our advertisers than actual happiness.

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Finchyy Jun 9, 2021 +68

For years, people have been telling you to leave front-end user experience alone as it was fine and working as intended. So now, ignoring all that, you take something really pure and awesome about Listnook and kill it to drive something that nobody (except perhaps your shareholders) wants. Good job.

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kkoch1 Jun 9, 2021 +18266

So you took over someone elses project years ago, made some money off of it and then killed it. Yikes. *Edit* The original creator of secret santa u/kickme444 is starting up a new secret santa. Please visit r/newsecretsanta for details.

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shhalahr Jun 9, 2021 +33

Or they have an excess of coins already from paying Listnook much earlier or as part of being repeatedly awarded before. Giving this person an award now wouldn't put any new money in the Listnook coffers.

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PaulRuddsButthole Jun 9, 2021 +65

Most of the awards are ones you get for free every couple of days.

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AdventurousDawg405 Jun 9, 2021 +478

# F*** Listnook admins Let's go over what's happened since the admins took over gifting: - further commercialization of every possible aspect of Listnook - the death of AlienBlue and forcing their mobile experience on everyone - the death of "old" Listnook for a modern ad filled, whitespace abusing monstrosity - the banning and removal of mods and users who go against admin brainwashing - the banning and removal of sublistnooks and users who don't align with your political beliefs as staff - the acceptance of China funding and China brainwashing This site is so fucked thanks to you assholes

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whtsnk Jun 10, 2021 +62

Can anybody with some UX insight explain why whitespace abuse has become so prevalent in the last 6–7 years or so?

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JEVOUSHAISTOUS Jun 10, 2021 +41

Initially, Apple started adding whitespace so it would be easier to tap on the right thing on the small screen of an iPhone. Then, everyone: "IF APPLE IS DOING IT THEN WE'RE DOING IT TOO, EXCEPT MORE!! MORE WHITESPACE BIGGER WHITESPACE WOOOO LET'S BE MORE APPLE THAN APPLE". Except yeah, no, you're not being more Apple than Apple, you're just being shitty Apple. There's a lot, and I mean A LOT of things to hate about Apple, but if there's one thing you can't take away from them, it's that they do know a thing or two about UI and UX. All those copycats clearly don't.

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drfsupercenter Jun 10, 2021 +23

Yeah what pisses me off is when websites ONLY have one layout and it's very mobile-centric, so when you're using a PC it has gigantic text and full-screen images with little actual content. It's not hard to have separate desktop/mobile UIs based on browser agent. People just don't do it anymore because they don't care. :/

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PM_YOUR_ANIME_TITS Jun 9, 2021 +589

A:Hey that's a cool CD, can I use it for awhile? BYeah sure why not, just making sure you know it is still MY CD right? A:Yeah right A: Hey I dont really like the CD anymore so I decided to throw it away for other CDs, it helps my >User experiance B: What the f***?

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corbygray528 Jun 10, 2021 +35

No joke, had a d***** of a "friend" borrow two of my video games several years ago. When I asked for them back like 6 months later he had traded them in to gamestop for a new game. F*** you too dude...

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apoliticalinactivist Jun 9, 2021 +170

Says a lot they are straight up killing it instead of opening it back up for the community to handle. One step closer to the end. Every time they do this, more users are willing to jump ship. Once the fediverse or one of the many open source alternatives gains enough traction, it'll be an overnight death.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +42

So, what are the open source alternatives using this format of forum specifically? If you don't mind the question, I mean. Listnook has been awful these past five years.

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Miraster Jun 9, 2021 +1263

Just like when they close sourced the listnook code. E* Just saying Listnook, the thing where your posts get ratioed by the top comment explaining how they dislike your decisions should be a clear indicator of what the community wants.

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taronic Jun 10, 2021 +57

You know what, I'm not sure I'd care for the code. This shit 5xx's a f*** load more than I'd expect out of a social media platform and takes a while to load everything. And the search functionality is f****** broken. I literally just google "listnook " to find what I want. And the "new listnook" f****** sucks. LOL how many websites do you know that have a settings checkbox to go back to the old good UI? That should be a huge sign they fucked up, that some people hate it so much they want to be allowed the old version still. This is the only site where I consistently see creative "You broke listnook!" pages. Every now and then I have to refresh like 20 times to actually see content again. And how many propaganda bot accounts have they let survive on their platform? Doubt they have anything decent to detect them and moderate their platform. Probably a shit ton of foreign adversaries trying to influence elections on here, accounts that are days old and start posting pro-Trump shit. Add it all up... the only reason to share the code is to learn their f*** ups lol

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +53

Given the most recent changes, I really don't think they care what their community wants. At least the old ones anyway. The new influx would be okay with it because they didn't experience the homeliness of old Listnook.

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ihahp Jun 9, 2021 +38

And when you used to be able to make listnook-approved items (like fan shirts, little Snoo toys or whatever)

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FyreWulff Jun 9, 2021 +226

bruh they couldn't even help themselves when they made Listnook Silver a real thing you could buy after people sarcastically used it as a 'reward' in comments

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ahappypoop Jun 9, 2021 +155

We should go back to just posting that picture of Listnook silver with the s backwards and whatever instead of spending coins to have an official useless icon.

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Ludon0 Jun 10, 2021 +51

We can't because since that time of using silver as an ironic award listnook has had millions and millions of new users join- all of which are used to new listnook, the shitty app, spending money on silver etc. Us older users are simply pushed aside for the more profitable mainstream at this point.

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AndyWarwheels Jun 9, 2021 +41

It would have been nice if they had actually gone through with it. but we were not holding our breaths even during that announcement...

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Ringosis Jun 9, 2021 +594

They've also scrapped one of the few things universally loved by people on Listnook, in favour of something universally hated...the f****** redesign.

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G30therm Jun 9, 2021 +406

I still use the old format and forget how awful the new one is until I see a streamer open Listnook.

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turkeypants Jun 10, 2021 +32

What I hear from mods who look at their subs' stats is that a very low percentage of users use old listnook anymore, like even single digits. That's bad news because you know at some point it will just be gone. I hate how unnecessarily constricted the desktop site is just to make it mobile optimized. All this space and I have to use a narrow column. I'll stay away as long as I can but after old listnook dies this place will be unappealing to use.

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DaHolk Jun 10, 2021 +18

I'm still missing the "up/down"ratio on comments that RES used to be able to provide. I understood removing it for submissions for anti spambot purposes (although I still don't get how removing the feature helped with fudging the numbers...)

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Ludon0 Jun 10, 2021 +7

Yep, 10 years ago listnook was still very much feeling like the internet forums of the early 2000s but more 'fresh'. The users represented that feeling. Now you have one of the most mainstream sites on the internet with millions and millions of users who are for lack of a better word 'casual users', just here to see some memes, some news articles etc. They mainly use their phones, and IF they even use the website they just use the default (new listnook).

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nickbyfleet Jun 9, 2021 +108

When I joined Listnook (over 12 years ago now!), the alternative (Digg) had a much better user experience. It was the open nature of the platform imho that initially led to its growth. It's not so much the tinkering with the user experience that bothers me, it's the gradual shift in the power dynamics from the users to the company, as evidenced by decisions like this which no one asked for.

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nascentt Jun 10, 2021 +32

> the alternative (Digg) had a much better user experience well until the digg 4.0 redesign. that was a big part of why people switched to listnook. digg 3.0 was well designed and 4.0 was absolute trash. It was in beta for ages, and feedback was that many people hated it, then they forced the new design and killed off the old, and everyone came here

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ShowerCheese Jun 9, 2021 +47

It really is, if I wasn't used to it after about 10 years of use no way I'd stick around. Most likely they don't know about old.listnook.com and the new UI is absolute garbage. Not only that but the way most subs are moderated makes it impossible to actually use the site because you need a certain account age/karma threshhold

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djscsi Jun 10, 2021 +63

The reason those subs have karma/age requirements is to combat the absolutely *rampant* spam , that the executive board doesn’t feel is worth spending money on. “Why pay our developers to write complex code/rules to fight spam when we can just let the free unpaid moderators do it?“

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Jaggedmallard26 Jun 10, 2021 +17

Worse than simply not fighting it they actively incentivise it by letting obvious scam subs like cryptomoonshots stay open and hit the top of /r/all. Next time you say a common repost on a sublistnook save the account and there's a solid chance it will end up shilling some crypto scam.

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[deleted] Jun 10, 2021 +7

I created this account not long ago and **holy god** is it bad opening a fresh new account nowadays. The app push notifies you of stupid shit you don't care about. It tries to funnel you into subscribing to shit you don't care about. You get blared at from every angle. It does whatever it can to get you to use social logins rather than just creating a new account. And new Listnook *suuuuuuucks*.

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svtguy88 Jun 9, 2021 +44

I had to go open an incognito window as I haven't seen the new interface in a long time. Holy balls. It's just...not good.

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tiefling_sorceress Jun 9, 2021 +146

That's listnook in a nutshell. "Everyone likes A but B makes us more money so... F*** everyone"

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svtguy88 Jun 9, 2021 +102

This is literally every social platform. Look at what Facebook UX was ten years ago versus what it is now. Ten years ago, it was honestly pretty awesome to use, and provided a way to interact with people you maybe didn't get to otherwise. Now, it's a f****** ad-packed, overly-targeted mess. But, it's profitable, and that's all that matters in corporate America.

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tiny_galaxies Jun 9, 2021 +40

I haven't been on Facebook since last September, and when I saw it recently on a coworker's screen I realized what it is now: internet cable. Full of ads and content you don't really care about. No way to sort, just gotta keep scrolling.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +68

Literally every corporate plan nowdays, but in a different form or shape. Have a feature in a product, remove it completely and add it as an extra some time after.

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unsteadied Jun 9, 2021 +43

Modern Listnook is the antithesis of the original founding principles of OG listnook, and it f****** sucks.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +29

I'm actually sad about this, it's such an integral part of what makes Listnook Listnook. It's an annual tradition, and they just decided to kill it for no particular reason :/. With how Listnook is turning out to be in the past year or so, I feel like they're really erasing the core functions and personality of the app.

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JoanieLovesAdachi Jun 9, 2021 +53

>I’m sure you will all have a ton of questions, and we will be here to answer them. Q1- can you better explain why you are doing this? Q2- is old listnook next on the chopping block? Q3- if users decided just to recreate the gift exchange like it started in a new sublistnook would that be a problem?

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KingOfAllWomen Jun 9, 2021 +35

> Q2- is old listnook next on the chopping block? If they ever take away old listnook that will be the last day I use it. I really can't believe their leadership is so - f****** stupid. You had a great forum for good actual *conversation* and they are trying all they can to make it a "content creator worship" platform as fast as they can, where millions can pave the way with their attempts at playing the online fame l******. I just don't understand how they think they are going to make money leaving their dominated niche and trying to force f*** their way into a 100x more saturated niche where they can provide none of the services better than any of the established players. Stuff like this is a good example. The gift exchanges - as part of the community of users - was unique to listnook in the sea of content aggregation website hell holes. Why take that away? Idk, maybe their analytics says the majority of visitors are "lurkers", but to me the fun of it is the community and the discussion.

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S-Plantagenet Jun 9, 2021 +34

I, the Once-ler, felt sad as I watched them all go. BUT… business is business! And business must grow regardless of crummies in tummies, you know. I meant no harm. I most truly did not. But I had to grow bigger. So bigger I got. I biggered my factory. I biggered my roads. I biggered my wagons. I biggered the loads of the Thneeds I shipped out. I was shipping them forth to the South! To the East! To the West! To the North! I went right on biggering… selling more Thneeds. And I biggered my money, which everyone needs.

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Informal-Working7008 Jun 9, 2021 +2495

Well this website is dying fast. Literally killing off a user created project, THAT YOU STOLE and made money from. But now you’re telling the community to f*** off and they can’t do it anymore

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lordicarus Jun 9, 2021 +118

Until an actual viable competitor comes along they will continue to do this stuff. Their user base continues to grow despite all of these things that people hate and complain about which means their target audience has shifted. Same with youtube. Something new needs to gain momentum or this will continue to happen.

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Null-and-Void19 Jun 9, 2021 +258

Hey dude, we’re going to steal your idea. Then we’re going to kill it off, but only after we turn a profit. Is that okay? Of course it’s okay. Thanks man

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lmqr Jun 9, 2021 +22

It's not dying, it's going for a more superficial, consumerist target audience. It's like watching a popular restaurant with character and local ingredients sell out to become a shitty burger joint. The managers are getting paid and so, it's a success.

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Tess_Mac Jun 9, 2021 +83

Very sad to see Secret Santa go, it was a godsend for the seniors on Listnook who's only gifting came from it. Hopefully in time Listnook will reconsider and reinstate the Secret Santa gifting. This past year was the only year I was stiffed, and twice at that but it was a good event.

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wendyrock1981 Jun 9, 2021 +80

This is complete bullshit. You are taking away what so many people around the world enjoy. If we didn't spend money on this site, it wouldn't exist. Let me guess, you are joining forces with facebook and amazon because you want to own a spaceship? So sad. I'm going huge for my giftee this Christmas. I dumped all media and stuck with listnook. Shame on you.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +72

Admittedly I never took part in Listnook Gifts or Secret Santa (came close but got too distracted), but I always thought it was really cool and some of the best of what Listnook had to offer. Feels like you just cancelled Christmas for many users. Bummer :(

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +116

As of 40 miinutes, they have answered zero questions about why they shut down something that was almost universally liked. F*** you listnook, you absolute cunts. F*** every single admin that signed off on this decision.

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seanpaune Jun 10, 2021 +9

The internet has become a progressively worse place. From fake news to insane conspiracy theories, there is just no place to turn any more that is fun. Add in the entire planet is finally closing the book on a global pandemic, wars cropping up worldwide, life is just not what it once was. And Listnook's contribution to improving the world? Taking away one of the most wholesome things we had left. I looked forward to Secret Santa the entire year. I always signed up day one (and still will for this last one), and then would wait anxiously to discover who I was gifting. I always tried to be quick off the mark with shipping their gift so they could rest easy they weren't going to be stiffed. And here we are. "You know what, the world already kinda sucks... lets literally cancel Christmas joy for thousands of people." Good job, Listnook. Good job.

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LoquaciousLabrador Jun 9, 2021 +43

"Countless act of love, heroism, compassion..." that we are killing off for vague reasons that will let us further monetize the site instead of, you know, letting continue if it was so fantastic and heartwarming.

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sistersucksx Jun 9, 2021 +4778

Why the f*** would you kill this Edit: u/kickme444 (creator of Listnook gifts and previous mod of r/secretsanta) says to check out r/newsecretsanta!

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ItsAlwaysSegsFault Jun 9, 2021 +22

They are utterly failing at user experience. I am still using old.listnook. The new listnook is completely unusable trash.

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SayWoot Jun 9, 2021 +446

They don't make any money from it, so of course the gonna kill it /s The journey towards becoming like facebook has begun!

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Miraster Jun 9, 2021 +348

It has begun quite some time ago. See: Redesign. Closing the source. Chats Whatever that livestream thing is. So so much tracking, even for premium users. That profile avatar thing. That offline/online thing which is turned on by default.

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ElimGarakTheSpyGuy Jun 9, 2021 +117

don't forget pinned profile links. how would I ever be able to find all these girls o******* without it!?

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throwaway_ghast Jun 9, 2021 +59

There's a livestream thing? I've been hiding out in old.listnook, at least until they inevitably come for this too. Been missing out on so many great features. ^/s

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JojenCopyPaste Jun 9, 2021 +52

I can't stand the redesign. Once old.listnook is gone it's just gonna be through RiF for me. Until they take away 3rd party apps too.

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Illadelphian Jun 9, 2021 +19

Seriously listnookisfun is so good and made me genuinely unaware of all of these changes made. Highly recommend it to anyone who just wants a no nonsense well done listnook mobile app.

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Canvaverbalist Jun 9, 2021 +21

And not to say raw data. Listnook Gift is literally a questionnaire you fill in with all the stuff you like and love and want more of with detailed description of yourself. I can tell you every other social media is looking at Listnook right now and facepalming. They just shat down a literal goldmine.

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Gothpunkfuta Jun 9, 2021 +771

"We here at listnook, saw there was something nice, but decided we weren't making enough money on it." Could have been the thing you said there.

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rolfraikou Jun 9, 2021 +7

Big message to the people on top: Sometimes something that isn't profitable makes users happy enough that good vibes = more users = more activity = more listnook awards. The more people are left with a bad taste in their mouth about this, the more you will see their participation decline across the board. And let's be clear here, people that gave gifts to strangers: A. Have disposable income. B. Like giving gifts (like listnook gold and awards, look at this thread alone) C. Are some of the more dedicated users of listnook, who clearly consider the community valuable. I never participated in any of this, because I thought it was for the "extreme listnookors." so this isn't me saying I'm even bothered by it. This is unsolicited advice, as I've seen a lot of forums come and go since the late 90s. Those are the bread and butter that you don't want to alienate.

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avboden Jun 9, 2021 +31

I'm not going to sugar coat this.... this is c***. This decision is terrible and you should feel terrible. Listnook gifts was the single greatest part of this website, universally praised, almost universally wonderful.

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5kyLegend Jun 9, 2021 +11

Wonderful, removing great community events and features while also taking away privacy settings? Sounds like you really are "enhancing the user experience". I bet you would have loved to post this on /r/changelog since that's where you usually put anything that would warrant criticism, but it was way too big of a decision to put there. This is plain terrible, at this point I'm just waiting for you to remove old.listnook.com once and for all because "we're focusing on improving the user experience" or some ridiculous excuse like that.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +3370

> I’m sure you will all have a ton of questions, and we will be here to answer them. Here's an obvious one.... Why?

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NewDark90 Jun 9, 2021 +1164

Almost every answer to the "why" question of what a company does is "because money".

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NotVerySmarts Jun 9, 2021 +671

"The intent is to provide users with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different revenue streams for Listnook."

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AintAintAWord Jun 9, 2021 +205

[Holy shit more than -668,000 downvotes](https://old.listnook.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?context=5)

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Th3M0D3RaT0R Jun 9, 2021 +162

They should let the vote count on posts go negative so we could see how hated this announcement actually is.

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theg721 Jun 10, 2021 +105

Remember when you could see the exact numbers of upvotes and downvotes on every post and comment? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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mdillenbeck Jun 10, 2021 +5

You missed the company talk about how "community" means "content consumers who follow ads to buy stuff" and not a group of people coming together and becoming equally dependent on each other as the platform (company) as their stand in... Then again, I guess that is money - "if you rely on each others sense of community generosity then you stopping or advertisers from making money - and then costing us money in labor to manage issues" is just about money. Here is your daily reminder that conpanies are not social good will actors or your friends - they are there to try to suck your wallet dry while tricking you to voluntarily transfer your wealth to the richest people on the globe. Sure, some people in a company might have good intentions, but in the end a company never does (and even if they did, they'll be gobbled up and worn like a PR skin suit for the less ethical companies).

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +248

so weird. "We didn't take this decision lightly", but we won't tell you why. "The power of listnook gifts has always been because of the community, not the software", so we are cancelling the already-working software in order to focus our efforts on unrelated software. "No one can sign up for the gift exchange anymore, and it will end soon. Anyone who has an incomplete gift exchange will be permanently banned from the closed community that we are soon deleting." This is the most blatant corporate double-speak I've heard in a long while.

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RevLoveJoy Jun 10, 2021 +40

>so weird. "We didn't take this decision lightly", but we won't tell you why. . o O ( they weren't making money ) >"The power of listnook gifts has always been because of the community, not the software", so we are cancelling the already-working software in order to focus our efforts on unrelated software. . o O ( because they weren't making money ) >This is the most blatant corporate double-speak I've heard in a long while. Same. The most frustrating part is how foolish their own handling of it has been. Heck, it took the original creator of Listnook Secret Santa what, a couple hours to say they'd start it up again. Why the hell didn't the business geniuses\* at Listnook reach out to them BEFORE the announcement?! That conversation takes 5 minutes "yo, it's not working out, want it back? Yes? Cool. We'll work out the hand over and tell the community" Boom. Done. Now listnook doesn't look like a bunch of greedy clueless morons (like they do today, in the real world). *\* - not actually business geniuses, it seems.*

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hepatitisC Jun 9, 2021 +466

>we will be here to answer them. An hour in.....not even one question was answered.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +84

Lmao, Yupp. They’re not gonna answer shit. Secret Santa was fun. I did it multiple years through all my accounts :( oh well.

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snorlz Jun 9, 2021 +15

does this just mean secret santa goes back to being community run instead of "pseudoofficially run by listnook"? also yall have no idea what the foundation of your platform is considering the vast majority of your announcements are about snoovatars (or whatever they are called), followers, and chat functions...which approximately no one cares about

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sheepsleepdeep Jun 9, 2021 +23

How, exactly, does shutting down one of the most popular projects in the history of this entire platform - a user created project might I add -, something that made international headlines because of its participation, enhance the user experience?

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R3DT1D3 Jun 9, 2021 +28

Unless you're ready to demonstrate an architectural limitation of gifts, there's no way the resources used for this will bolster the development of those other initiatives in any significant way. Pure PR speak

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nietsrot Jun 9, 2021 +1018

Enhancing the user experience can't be that hard, just revert to the good old listnook before the redesign and everything after it.

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CalcProgrammer1 Jun 9, 2021 +225

Seriously, this "enhancing the user experience" is utter bullshit. New listnook is the polar opposite of "enhancing the user experience". It's an ugly, shitty mess that makes me want to puke every time I accidentally go to listnook without being logged in. Too much wasted space, too much javascript, not enough content. If they actually gave a shit they'd take new Listnook out back and shoot it, fire everyone involved, open source old Listnook, and return to what made the site great.

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Desperate-Cow2702 Jun 9, 2021 +46

Wait so you see and identify a good thing then decide to kill it in spirit of… bettering the platform???? Maybe I’m just stupid. But I don’t get it.

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dookiebuttholepeepee Jun 9, 2021 +108

Remember when listnookors thought Ellen Pao was the worst thing to happen to Listnook, then Steve Huffman took over? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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classicrockchick Jun 9, 2021 +157

Does this mean some intrepid user can start their own gift exchange, like Listnook Secret Santa was initially?

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +475

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aquilaFiera Jun 9, 2021 +45

>The power of Listnook Gifts was never in the software As someone who wrote a lot of that software I take this personally. RIP to that super messy AngularJS, Sass, and Django we wrote.

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wizard_mitch Jun 9, 2021 +24

I have never participated personally but I hope this is something that is picked back up by the community. For me secret santa was one of the things that made listnook, listnook.

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ItalianDragon Jun 9, 2021 +8

So the wholesomeness of listnookgifts and secret santa are getting killed in favor of the redneck trailer trash of a design that is new listnook basically... (and no I don't believe a millisecond that you're trying to improve mod tools or the foundation of the platform). Of all the updates you may have posted this is by far one of the worst ones. It's basically "I did the tide pods challenge"-stupid level. I'm not even sure someone could make such a stupid decision when simultaneously blackout drunk and high as kite on meth. This is a decision that needs to be reversed ***immediately***.

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doityourselfer Jun 9, 2021 +15

As someone who has participated in Secret Santa for 8 years, the decision to end Listnook Gifts just shows how far out of touch Listnook has gotten with its users. You know, the people who made it what it was? Thanks for the memories, I guess.

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sistersucksx Jun 9, 2021 +1508

You said you didn’t make this decision lightly but didn’t say why the decision was made?❓

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Johnyknowhow Jun 9, 2021 +149

*"I’m sure you will all have a ton of questions, and we will be here to answer them."* ...on one condition. That your questions stay completely non-hitting and are only presented in a way that lets us preach positive optics. 'Wow Listnook, I'm sure that was a hard decision to make! There will certainly be more exciting community fun events in the future though, right?' 'Mmm yes of course here at Listnook we love our community and sucking ourselves off mmmmm hngggggh god removing features makes me so erect hhhhhhhhhaaaaabgnbbbgjfhsbkadjfkak...'

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UltimoRush Jun 9, 2021 +184

That's all I'm interested in here. I could see potential liability concerns since real names and addresses are involved. But they're probably shutting it down because it doesn't make enough money. That's why they'll never tell us.

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +26

I can see that too, unfortunately. I’ve done it for the past 7ish years and people are always like... wait, you’re giving a rando on the internet your address?!

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38DDs_Please Jun 9, 2021 +48

SUGGESTION: Someone make a SecretSanta Sublistnook. Post an open Google Document that everyone can list their name on. Once the date comes, we can pair up users randomly. It'll be on the honor system in regards to making sure everyone gets their gift, but at least it's something. We can even put a karma threshold if need be. Say, 1000 karma?

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +39

There's plenty of coders on listnook who can do a better job than a google doc. Fact is they kill it rather then find a way to hand it back to the community that built it.

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amaezingjew Jun 9, 2021 +21

There is a Secret Santa sublistnook. It started out as one, and then Listnook decided to take it over. The Secret Santa sublistnook, I believe, is being shut down.

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thewilldog Jun 9, 2021 +7741

Translation - we weren't making enough money off this to be worth out time & effort

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +192

I read it as more like "We're gonna work on things that bring us money instead of stuff that makes the community happy"

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HelplessMoose Jun 10, 2021 +91

EnHaNciNG thE uSer ExPeRiEncE By adding an opt-out (!) online status indicator that nobody asked for, for example.

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Rounder057 Jun 9, 2021 +146

Damn. Seems odd, ending something that brought the community together to help bring “the community” together

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Comrade_Ryujin Jun 9, 2021 +437

Wait so like no more gifts? Come on, what're they harming? And they make you guys profit right?

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +33

So... You're killing a beloved part of the user experience to invest more in the user experience. Pardon me while I call bullshit

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[deleted] Jun 9, 2021 +7

Listnook you f****** suck now. I've been here for a good few years and every year you've taken something good away, replaced something, neglected something (there's still *so much OBVIOUS SPAM*), or removed something entirely. Since the redesign it's been worse. You are all corporate shills now trying to make money as fast as possible to please your investors. Investors who do not give a single f*** about the communities you allowed to thrive years ago. You've become a disgrace and this is just another nail in the coffin.

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Texan_Eagle Jun 9, 2021 +143

How much did it actually cost to run Listnook Gifts? Edit: Now ~~4~~ ~~8~~ 18 hours with radio silence. Nice. Maybe u/kickme444 has a guess.

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coyotesage Jun 9, 2021 +49

Jingle Bells, Listnook sells, All it's cred-a-bil-ity! Now what's left, Is a pile of poo, Oh how we hate you! Ding dong ding, Ding dong ding, Let our voices ring! Give it back, You greedy hack, Else you lose us all! ELSE... YOU...LOSE... US...ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

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glandburger Jun 9, 2021 +41

I would rather for you guys to discontinue the worthless listnook coins instead of this. you guys f****** suck.

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Fossil_fishy Jun 9, 2021 +10

Another fun activity that brings people together destroyed by what seems very much like corporate greed. Listnook gifts and Secret Santa gave people the opportunity to share a little bit of kindness with and think of others. More importantly it connected people - which in this day and age you think would be something that should be encouraged not ‘sunsetted’.

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Messyproduct Jun 9, 2021 +1968

If this isn't a book end for what was old Listnook I don't know what is.

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Canvaverbalist Jun 9, 2021 +51

When they fucked over Victoria, then the redesign, now this. Next thing we'll know is they're getting rid of Sublistnooks because they're to complicated and then we won't be able to comment.

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DahDutcher Jun 9, 2021 +9

>We made the difficult decision to shut down Listnook Gifts and put more focus on enhancing the user experience on Listnook Funny, since you're doing everything you can to try and force that horrible unfriendly new Listnook on us. Let's be honest, it just didn't turn enough of a profit for this site and it's shitstain of a owner.

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[deleted] Aug 15, 2021 +5

Literally every change listnook makes to the site is awful. I've been here close to a decade and I think the only positive change they have ever made was the recent decision to exclude p*** from the front page. The one and ONLY reason *that* decision was good was because of their complete and total inaction on o******* and other sales accounts. This is dumb. Listnook is dead. They actively try to sabotage all alternatives because they know the second there is one with potential half their userbase is gone and listnook becomes just a second facebook. Really the there's a silver lining out of this and it's that listnooks hands will be out of our pockets a they just used this as a desperate money grab anyway. It's not like listnook actually cares about their users.

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Chm_Albert_Wesker Jun 9, 2021 +7

ahh gotta go down the path of "keep changing the UI even though nobody asked for it to quantify why we have such a large staff and then call it progress even though everyone still uses old listnook" seems weird also to direct the efforts/money into things like more moderator tools when such a heavy issue on the site is that mods are already acting with not enough oversight. the rest of the explanation is just marketing nonsense that doesnt mean anything

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Captive_Starlight Jun 9, 2021 +9

Are you guys running a l****** for stupid ideas? I have a couple you might try! How about flying kite during an electrical storm? That's pretty stupid, but is it stupid enough to win against this move? How about eating trash for a year? Is that more stupid than this idea? I don't think so. I don't think I can beat this supremely stupid move. You guys win the stupid l******.

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SledgeHerman Jun 9, 2021 +10

>Countless acts of love, heroism, compassion, support, growth and hilarity happened through Listnook Gifts All seem like good reasons to not cancel this >We're working on ways to capture these moments Don't cancel listnook gifts then? On your application to work for listnook is it a requirement to be a f****** moron?

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bisdaknako Jun 10, 2021 +6

"Hi, on a website where 99% of the work is done by the users for free, 1% of listnook workers who are paid and own the website, have decided that without consultation we would like to shut down a key feature. We are doing this so we can continue to change the platform in ways that 99% of listnook workers don't like and actively have protested - but given we didn't consult before any other changes, we don't intend on consulting on these ones either. Oh and that list of suggested changes we do collect from you? Eat a d***."

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ninelives1 Jun 9, 2021 +16

LMAO. This is so goddamned stupid. How is getting rid of something people love "enhancing" the community? The corporate bullshit language of this is so transparent.

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Actually_is_Jesus Jun 9, 2021 +20

Man, I never even did the exchange, but this really f****** sucks. Listnook is really turning into something shitty and quick.

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ilikecakeandpie Jun 9, 2021 +4933

BREAKING: Listnook restarts the war on Christmas; users saddened

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Miraster Jun 9, 2021 +283

Im just suprised by how quickly users assimillated in this thread. RIP Secret Santa. Next on listnook's hit list: old.listnook.com Edit: >put more focus on enhancing the user experience on Listnook Hahahahahaha, nice joke admins, sadly, it's not April's Foolz today. Edit2: After more analyzing of that sentence, im sure this just means: letz push people towards the mobile app so we can track you better.

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Sounga565 Jun 9, 2021 +63

My EX said I would never have a reason for candy cane pitch forks and candy cane torches. WHO'S WASTEFUL WITH THEIR MONEY NOW, BRITTANY!?

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malign2 Jun 9, 2021 +22

Gotta love the usual corpo trash talk. "We're doing it for the better of our *input whatever*". Pathetic and disingenuous.

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Marilee_Kemp Jun 9, 2021 +9

Oh no:( My Secret Santa gift is usually the only actual gift I get (my dad send me money which is great but not quite the same) now my tree is gonna look so empty beneath it and I'll have no one to get excited to find the perfect gift for. This sucks.

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