Supreme Court Rules Against Law Banning Conversion Therapy For Minors

I wonder how the "Gays for Trump" group is doing today?

8-1???

I've had crunch wraps more Supreme than this Court...

They already r*** and eat kids, are we surprised they’re fine with zapping them too?

That is how outdated the brains of the SC judges are. Time to impeach them and put term limits. They are not popes!

"Child Abuse is Okay" Ruling, Brought To You By SCOTUS Who Keeps Protecting PedoPres

Well at least the US still has the freedom to torture children.

Trans kids are going to die because of today's ruling.

So if the president can ignore the Supreme Court why can’t the state of Colorado do the same?

The case was brought to the Supreme Court by a "therapist" at Deeper Stories Counseling in Colorado Springs, in case anyone wants to share your thoughts in a Google Review.

I see just about everyone in SC has decided torturing kids to make them "pray the gay away" is a good thing. People always gather together to hurt us gays.

Conversion therapy is torture.

I hate to say this tired old trope but Jesus christ, won't someone think of the children?! Parent and therapist right to free speech outweighs a child's right to to not be absused?!

> Such an inquiry would entail evaluating whether the MCTL’s restriction on Chiles’s therapy only “incidentally” restricts Chiles’s speech by virtue of the fact that the medi cal care she provides is delivered orally. It would also re quire acknowledging that the MCTL’s restriction on Chiles is plainly “tied to [the provision of] a [medical] procedure,” At least one of the justices got it right.

This will not create more straight kids, as these “therapists” desire. What it will do, is create hundreds (thousands?) of depressed kids, some of whom may well end up hurting or killing themselves because their church/parents/“therapist” can’t accept that some people are just born different.

So according to the Roberts Court, states *can* ban gender-affirming care but *can't* ban this quackery. Justice Jackson is 1000% correct that care that incidentally involves speech is not protected under the First Amendment and states have every right to use licensure as means to protect consumers, in this case children, from this dangerous therapy.

Interesting that they consider this a First Amendment issue...

It's unconstitutional for states to ban therapists from offering conversion therapy. But it's constitutional for states to ban therapists from offering gender- affirming care. Get it? Me either.

What needs to happen in America is a Secular Inquisition that seeks out and punishes any public official or pastor who encourages theocracy in America - no matter the religion. Hasn't humanity had enough of their pestilence?

The headlines are misleading. Basically, the ruling was super specific to say that the way this law was implemented denied the first amendment rights of the person in question because they were sharing their opinions though talk therapy, not forcing action on someone else as would the case in physical conversion therapy. Where it gets sticky is that a child controlled by their parents don't really have a way to provide dissent and would be effectively forced to be subject to what they might interpret as hate speech, with no real way to avoid it. While this doesn't "legalize" conversion therapy like some are saying, it highlights how little autonomy children have over their body until they are adults. I hope this will lead to a federal ruling that allows kids past a certain age (probably 12-13) to deny treatment in non life threatening situations. Some states currently allow for that, others do not.

So, this is about the therapist’s first amendment right and not the children? - Chiles claimed that the law restricts her First Amendment protections from counseling minors who want to “resist same-sex relationships or align the client’s sense of identity and biological sex.” -

State legalization of abuse

conversion therapy is literally just child abuse

I feel like a lot of yall absolutely did not read the article… As per usual I guess 

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would reach a point where I thought the 1st amendment needed to either be revised or repealed but.... When this comes back at 8-1 against queer people, there is a MAJOR problem and it's not all the GoP's fault this time.

Do they realize they just made 'homosexual conversation therapy' legal?

Ketanji Brown Jackson is the only intelligent justice on the bench.  The 8 others are ghouls and a cancer to this country. 

What the f***.

It simply doesn’t work. There is no way to make someone not be gay, sexuality is an under researched area of science and no one knows really what makes one gay, but prayer or even torture (which damningly occurs in many cases) will not change anything. You’re born gay, you’ll die gay end of, and there is nothing one can do to stop it. Conversion therapy is absolutely useless, I don’t care if some state wants it legal, downvote me, but I don’t, I’ve seen what one city deciding the way a whole country should act can do, I’m British. But I hope Colorado knows they’ll get nowhere and they are committing acts of barbarity and erasure of identity.

The crowd that will do anything to performatively protect a fetus DOES NOT CARE about the health and safety of actual children

Another fake case from the Christofascist legal team to violate the rights of LGBTQ kids, communities and women. The “plaintiff” with the hypothetical violation of her rights (she said herself wasn’t actually even counseling any trans kids), more “concerned” about her right to “free speech” than about the rights of gay & trans kids to EXIST.

I wonder how the "states rights" crowd is feeling about this? Oh yeah it's not about keeping slaves or guns, so they don't care.

So that means that you also can't outlaw therapy for minors that try and actively tries to converse them to be LGBTQ+, right? (Note, I'm fully aware that you can't actually "converse" anyone to LGBTQ+ just like you can't actually converse them into being straight/cis.)

If they wanna have conversion therapy, fine. But let's have it the other way around too. We should be allowed to try to turn a straight person gay using the same methods. This is America god damnit

Can we make a conversation therapy camp for kids who identify as conservative?

So now I can convert people to gay based my freedom of speech? Who shall I make gay first???

This is insane. Medicine is not speech. States have regulated the practice of medicine (including psychotherapy) for essentially forever. If a medical provider doesn’t want to follow the state’s practice mandates, then they should go practice in another state. 

You don't want to see a Christian therapist, anyway. Instead of proven modalities, they just tell you to trust Jesus. They were a waste of space before this ruling. If you want religious therapy, you can visit your priest or reverend or whomever for free. Therapy shouldn't have anything to do with God.

Banning conversion therapy outright was a bad move. Instead it should have banned forced conversion therapy and given children an outside advocate that would help them to opt out before any such therapy can begin if they choose. There is no first amendment protection that allows you to force your speech onto someone else against their will

Remember folks dead and hurt lgtbq youth are what the good conservative Christians want To them it's proof being who they are goes against jebus' will despite the fact the pain is entirely caused by their hands

To understand how the Supreme Court got to this point it's important to understand something about Amy Coney Barrett's cult, the People of Praise. POP (for short) sprang out of a movement called the charismatic renewal, and there was a precursor cult to POP called True House that created and spread the teaching of the charismatic renewal across the United States. It disbanded in 1973 and most of its members then immediately joined People of Praise. One of the prominent True House members, Phil Sutton, later became a conversion psychologist in South Bend and he later spread his ideas when he became the leader of NARTH (https://www.mercatornet.com/same-sex\_attraction\_a\_therapists\_view) Needless to say he got POP and the other covenant communities across the US to send their lgbtq kids to him or his acolytes, and his ideas on the subject have been carried on by Amy Coney Barrett’s cult. Her influence on the court is at the core of this. There is a new documentary about True House and covenant community movement on YouTube called “True House: An Oral History” that is worth watching for more information

[Conservatives](https://www.postandcourier.com/columbia/news/columbia-conversion-therapy-repeal-lgbtq/article_fe77087b-4e41-4dc4-a754-b559c2184f0e.html) [literally](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1752928X20300366) [promote](https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2020/07/conversion-therapy-can-amount-torture-and-should-be-banned-says-un-expert) [the](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8902017/) [torture](https://jgrj.law.uiowa.edu/news/2023/05/conversion-therapy-lgbtq-children-form-torture-and-rights-child-face-united-states) [of](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8321984/) [their](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32657772/) [own](https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/conversion-therapy) [children](https://docs.rwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1789&context=rwu_LR) if and when the latter don't conform to traditionally established sexual and gender norms. [Conservatism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism) \-- by definition -- is "a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, **stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions** (such as religion, the family, and **class structure**), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change". The *sole* value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to \[one's perception of\] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources. To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those \[they perceive to be\] on top \[of social hierarchy\] to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom. The first greatest injustice is for those on the bottom to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top. Violence is a tool meant for those on top to use upon those on the bottom to ensure the latter's submission and obedience. To them, children are property of their social betters, and "know your place" is their mantra. Edit.

GOP proving yet again that they are pro-torture pro-suffering

Kagan's concurring comments bear mentioning on this, though. *Justice Elena Kagan called the case a “textbook” case of viewpoint discrimination. As an exercise to understand why she presented “a hypothetical law that is the mirror image of Colorado’s.”* *“Instead of barring talk therapy designed to change a minor’s sexual orientation or gender identity, this law bars therapy affirming those things,” Kagan wrote in a concurrence. “[T]he First Amendment would apply in the identical way. Once again, because the State has suppressed one side of a debate, while aiding the other, the constitutional issue is straightforward.”* So even though we know why certain Justices sided with the plaintiffs, there were genuine causes for concern on this front for the liberal Justices to agree with them.

They’re just openly for abusing kids, no depths to the depravity.

Seems like a good ruling with a click bait title. I don't think that states should be able to decide what types of counseling should be permitted and which should not. The court shouldn't be in the room with the doctor and I. Just wish they'd figured that out prior to overturning Roe v Wade. Read the articles before commenting dummies: if you see an 8:1 ruling, common sense is that it's common sense.

It was about the legality of the law regarding speech therapy, not the content of therapy. You guys need to read past just shitty headlines.

Another note: This ruling only found that they couldn’t restrict “talk-therapy.”  Here in Texas, our AG Paxton has said that our states ban on gender-affirming care also applies to talk-therapy… But this ruling basically overrides his interpretation as well.. Which is why it’s important to get these rulings correct, even when they don’t align exactly with what we may believe 

Religious bs holds the human race back so much

Sounds like Colorado needs to pass serious regulation then. Weekly audits on ANY facility that has more than 1 claim of abuse.

I guess that opens the door to send kids to camp to convert them away from religion. My kids are really smart so they won't need that.

Again, the only way to fix America is through Revolution. Every part of the government must be torn down and rebuilt.

Wow, only one judge dissented. I expected the republican aligned judges to give the OK to child abuse, particularly as we're talking about LGBTQ youth, but the two more left-leaning ones? Utterly evil.