Switzerland says cancelling U.S. Patriot missile system order an option

Trump does a lot of things that he “can’t do”

The us can’t officially leave nato. But I think it’s pretty clear now that if Trump is president and Russia attacks a nato country. Then Trump will just talk about how Putin assured him they aren’t attacking and that’s that.

Who’s going to stop him? Sure, Congress passed a law saying he can’t cancel the treaty. But it’s just a piece of paper. What are they going to do if he just ignores it? What are they going to do if he just starts ignoring it a little bit of it at a time? What is going to happen if he tells Europe, “you didn’t help us open Hormuz, so I’m not going to help you when Russian drones stray into your territory and blow something up.” 90% of what Trump says he’ll do he doesn’t end up doing. But look where that 10% has gotten us.

There is nothing he “can’t do.” America is no democracy atm

Some of you really think this Orange Pedo won't anex Greenland. Just watch, give him a minute to figure this Iran thing out first.  Cuba, Greenland and Panama should get ready. Not sure how this Canada thing will work out, but they on the list too. He will be thirsty for some victories after Iran, all these victims will be easy money.

He does not have to. According to the wording of the famous article 5, US can send a single bullet as “help” and consider its obligation fulfilled

Yea, something about how trump publically stated they are selling degraded versions of the weapons... And how your not allowed to use them against Russia or they won't ship you any more parts/ammo... And the fact they have been shown to be worthless wastes of money in 2026. $100,000,000 for something that a $10,000 drone can easily destroy.

You'd say there is far too much at stake for someone to be TACOing around with the whole Military Industrial Complex

Seems like a glass half full and empty thing here depending on perspective. In a contest of kills and destruction the US is going to win hands down. we can probably win that game against 2 or 3 legit countries simultaneously. But we'll take our licks in other ways and in this case it's cost and figuring out the objectives. It's like Mike Tyson said "I'm going to f*** you until you love me" . If prime Mike Tyson wanted to f*** me, then I'm getting fucked. But he can't make me love him! I'm not convinced we know what we want, let alone how to get it efficiently and the fact that iran isn't bent over in full disassociation mode means we haven't "won". They still control the flow of the spice. Imo the American public doesn't have the stomach for this.

Youre struggling to achieve anything. You can bomb all you want but iran is controlling the strait and not complying with anything Trump wants. Regime is still standing, situation globally is way worse, the entire Middle East has been pulled into a senseless war, and the USA is not winning at all.

your measure of success in a conflict is the ability to send bombs wherever you want? not say, cost in US lives, or cost in assets (e.g. refuelling tankers, AWACS losses at PSAB), or impact on global economic conditions? Or ability to achieve goals set out in advance (regime change, resetting nuclear program, etc.)? so, by the same logic, do you think the US didn't struggle in Vietnam either??

Is it just me that finds using "we" in this context cringe ? A bit like sports fan saying "we played well the second half time" but worse. Like, we know you're not sitting in the gulf bombing them, you're at home scrolling while taking a dump.

But what does sending bombs wherever you want achieve? Unless the objective is to kill children and innocents or commit war crimes? I think what the commentator meant was that the US has massively underpefomed despite all the military muscle it possesses. The real objectives were to destroy Iran's nuclear program, replace the current regime with a western friendly one and commandeer Iran's energy resources for exploitation. The US is not even remotely close to achieving any of these objectives. It has expended billions of dollars, used up stockpiles of critical munitions and suffered a ton of damage to strategic bases in the Gulf nations. The US has pissed off about every ally it has in Europe, Asia and the Middle East, has kicked off a global energy crisis and set off a domino of inflation across the World. American military personnel have died. All of this for what? The nuclear program still exists. Iran has no shortage of clerics and competent military leaders to replace the ones killed off. Any attacks on oil infrastructure lead to retaliatory strikes on your Gulf allies. Despite degrading Iranian military infrastructure, Iran still has the capacity to target any nation in the Middle East and does so with regularity. You lack the manpower and the logistics to conduct a full scale ground invasion. Even if you do conduct one, you will do so in incredibly hostile terrain against a large and well equipped hostile force. Your biggest foes - Russia and China are helping attrit your military at barely no cost to themselves. You are struggling my friend. Whether you admit it or not.

Or a great Russian asset

I think he's shown that in other ways, but at least he has no one else to blame but himself on this one.

I wish the stakes were that low, but he's f****** up too many things.

Trump is working hard to push countries back to Russia for their energy needs. Almost like everything he does is to support… Russia. One might even think they have some dirt on him, maybe something to do with that Epstein character.

It's a global economy now. At the end of the day, everybody is only inching.

Too late, he jinxed it. Zombie virus inbound.

Mostly agree, but in 2020 and onward, they shouldn't be using Patriot Missiles to knock out $10k drones. It's just one measure in a (hopefully) layered air defense system, and when looked it like that, the Patriot is still the Gold Standard.

MDBA has ramped up production by 40% in 2025 and aims at increasing it by 100% this year.