This was always the strategy. People were afraid of Taiwan being invaded, China wasn't going to invade they will push political strategies to get people from within to push for reunification
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Khamvom5 days ago
+127
I think it’s an option, but definitely not the only one on the table. China *prefers* peaceful reunification but will push if it needs to (otherwise they wouldn’t be building the ships, airplanes, missiles, etc, to support an invasion).
The vast majority of Taiwanese (80-90%) also don’t support reunification with China, especially the younger generations.
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Chance_Emu88925 days ago
+33
I don't think there's any existing war game where this is as easy.
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MajesticBread91475 days ago
+9
Things will continue as normal because no Chinese leader wants to deal with the fallout of soldiers coming back in caskets (extremely rare in modern Chinese history) but nobody wants to be seen as the reason that they "lose" it.
As long as ruinification the in the 5 years is seen as just as likely as reunification in the next 6 months, they will gladly wait it out.
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GuyWithLag5 days ago
+16
Taiwan people have seen what reunification meant for Hong Kong...
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Skythewood5 days ago
+11
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2025/11/25/2003847788
44.3 percent lean toward independence, while 10.7 percent lean toward unification with China.
If the “status quo” cannot be maintained, 61 percent lean toward independence and 21.8 percent lean toward unification, the poll showed.
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squarexu4 days ago
+14
Dude taipeitimes is like Fox News.
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Khamvom5 days ago
+1
“*About 90 percent of Taiwanese have an unfavorable impression of China and do not want unification with China, a poll publicized by the World United Formosans for Independence (WUFI) showed yesterday.”*
Majority of Taiwanese do not want reunification with China and either want to maintain the current status-quo or push for full independence.
China has said Taiwan declaring independence though is a “redline” for them that could trigger war (which is why Taiwan hasn’t actually done it yet and is unlikely to anytime soon)
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titanjumka5 days ago
+32
Citing World United Formosans for Independence about China is like citing Fox News about democrats.
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Khamvom5 days ago
-6
Eh, that quote is pulled directly from the link I replied to. Either or, multiple polls have been done of this, consistently shows most Taiwanese are against reunification.
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titanjumka5 days ago
+14
I don't think anyone would take a Fox News poll about democrats seriously.
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Khamvom5 days ago
+2
Sure, but there’s been multiple polls done on this topic by other sources, each with the same general consensus. So what’s your point?
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titanjumka4 days ago
Post those other polls making the same claims.
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Khamvom4 days ago
+3
Here you go bud:
https://globaltaiwan.org/2021/07/taiwanese-preference-for-status-quo-remains-constant-even-as-views-harden/
https://www.tpof.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/20250214-TPOF-Special-Report-Taiwanese-Preferences-on-Political-Future.pdf?
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/05/12/in-taiwan-views-of-mainland-china-mostly-negative/
The general consensus is that the majority of Taiwanese oppose reunification (sorry China bots).
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faffc2605 days ago
+4
especially after they saw hong kong..
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chroniclad4 days ago
+2
You can't make credible threat if you don't have the muscle to enforce it. If China doesn't have a strong army would Taiwan take their threat seriously?
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No-Soil17355 days ago
Trouble is the younger generations are thinning out, their birth rate is very very low.
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Khamvom5 days ago
+10
The older generations (60 years and up) are generally the ones that support reunification the most (polls show 10-15%).
They’ll die out long before the younger generation “thins out”.
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GeneralGom5 days ago
+24
And Trump being a d*** to Taiwan is helping that strategy immensely.
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Candid_Problem_12445 days ago
+12
All Iran needs to do is surviving as long as possible and USA will lose more and more supports from its allies
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+10
Iran, Ukraine, etc... proof that smaller countries can hang in there against much larger superpowers.
Seems more of a warning to China, than anything else.
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conanap5 days ago
+7
Those are quite different situations - Taiwan is so small and rocky that there’s pretty much no domestic production of.. much of anything, to support the amount of people it has at least.
Iran and Ukraine have land avenues and massive land borders, if Taiwan gets a naval blockade and surrounded, it’s just over for them, unless they get external help (which is exactly their defence plan).
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
-2
Taiwan has domestic production of pretty much everything... half the island is a mountain and the other half are factories.
A blockade is an act of war, so if China decides to attempt to blockade Taiwan, they must be ready to invade. Otherwise, they'll start losing ships and people without even trying to take the territory.
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conanap4 days ago
+3
They have factories but where is the raw material coming from lmao. Mb I could’ve worded that better.
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Avatar_exADV4 days ago
A blockade is a difficult plan for China, because it counts as an act of war, yet has very slow effects - essentially, it's an invitation for the US Navy to concentrate a lot of force in the region, then send in a single destroyer to e***** a convoy and demand passage. Does China climb down from the blockade and lose immense face domestically? Does it start the shooting with US strikes already inbound and Chinese air assets on the ground awaiting incoming missiles? The one thing you can bet on is that the Chinese leadership does not want that decision to be made by some corvette captain fifty miles off the Taiwanese shore at oh dark hundred.
China might decide to attack; they might not. But if they are going to, they'll try to finish things as quickly as possible, because their best chance is to present the US with a fait accompli. A slow pummelling of Taiwanese defenses or a strangling blockade is just an invitation for the US to cripple Chinese trade via sanctions and embargo; China could suffer ruinous losses without ever exchanging a single shot with the US.
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conanap4 days ago
+1
I don’t disagree with your analysis, although this does prove the point that you need foreign help in Taiwan’s scenario for blockade - which at the moment is questionable at best.
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ItsMetheDeepState5 days ago
+4
Interesting point, but China is incredibly patient, they're probably already adapting based on Ukraine and now Iran. Watching our mistakes.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
-15
China and incredibly patient do not belong in the same sentence... Everything from one China policy, to COVID restrictions, to Hong Kong show a history of being inpatient.
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_BigT_5 days ago
+3
It's not really getting support from its allies in the war currently. A few bases getting used from UK I guess?
Also there's not and there won't be a US alternative for a long time. Possibly if China rapidly expands its economy through AI. Their workforce is getting much older and they will have a significantly harder time replacing it compared to the US. Contrary to listnooks belief, the US is significantly easier to move to and work in compared to China. Also English is a more common language and even Spanish speaking is increasingly becoming popular in America.
Trump is a buffoon and is setting the country back, but its not possible to remove the power of America in 4 years. Only way that happens is in WW3 where no one is left standing.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
-7
Not really... What Trump does doesn't change what Taiwanese want.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
+10
67% of Taiwanese want to stay separate, plus the US will never allow unification with TSMC.
The US will do everything to prevent that.
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NomadFH5 days ago
+13
I don't think the military option is truly on the table in taiwan. That "I will just blow the shit out of everything including civilains with giant bombs" strategy doesn't work if you actually care about the industry infrastructure and civilians in that population and that form of warfare is something America has become increasingly bad at.
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Khamvom5 days ago
+29
Contrary to popular belief, Taiwan’s chip industry is secondary for China in a full-blown war scenario.
Bringing Taiwan “back into the fold” (and who China view as a breakaway/rogue province) has always been the main priority.
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XRT285 days ago
+7
Not to mention while China would prefer to have the chip production facilities intact even if they're destroyed it still provides some benefit in that it would cut off the supply of them to the west.
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NomadFH5 days ago
+1
I was more so thinking about what america could do in taiwan's defense. Assuming China just rolled in, how do you attack them without destroying taiwan?
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Khamvom5 days ago
Any U.S. response would hinge on Taiwan being able to holdout long enough for U.S. forces to arrive. Regardless, Taiwan is going to sustain massive from the get-go b/c China is rolling in with the intention of conquering them.
China has like 1000+ ballistic missiles alone aimed at Taiwan already.
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LordMashie5 days ago
+3
>the US will never allow unification with TSMC.
Given the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump administration found a way to fumble it anyway even if they didn't want to.
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Emergency-Machine-555 days ago
-6
According to this poll, it's around 76%, with 52% wanting independence and 24% wanting to maintain the status quo. And by maintaining the status quo, they really mean they rather not be invaded by China.
https://www.tpof.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/20250214-TPOF-Special-Report-Taiwanese-Preferences-on-Political-Future.pdf
I find it ironic that China openly supports the KMT party, as their ancestors literally fought each other during the civil war, whereas the ancestors of most DPP supporters lived under Japanese colonization in Taiwan at the time.
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StandAloneComplexed5 days ago
+11
These numbers are off or your interpretation biased. Taiwanese are overwhelming in favour of the status quo or in favour of deciding the future of Taiwan later on (aka status quo).
> Meanwhile, when asked about the preferred direction for cross-strait relations, more than 85 percent of respondents expressed support for maintaining the “status quo.” This included 36 percent who supported keeping the “status quo” permanently, 25.9 percent who preferred to decide Taiwan’s future at a later time and 19.9 percent who favored maintaining the “status quo” for now, but ultimately favor independence.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2025/04/26/2003835842
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Emergency-Machine-555 days ago
+2
Maybe the TPOF poll is skewed? The second page has a pie chart showing 51.8% in favor of independence and 24.2% in favor of maintaining the status quo. The Taipei Times percentages seem to line up with the following NCCU poll.
https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963
Regardless, the vast majority of Taiwanese are against reunification.
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StandAloneComplexed5 days ago
+4
They might have aggregated any option not explicitly in favour of "reunification" now as "independence", including the middle ground "decide later".
The reality on the ground is that neither reunification nor independence are mainstream opinion, status quo is.
That also aligns with the view of most taiwanese people I know.
Sorry for nitpicking btw, but I found out a long time ago that the western views on Taiwan don't reflect the actual nuances on the ground. The reality is much more complex than what Listnook and Western news in general portray.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+1
Status quo is a Taiwan that is already independent and not part of the PRC...
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StandAloneComplexed4 days ago
+1
Yes, that's the actual status quo (de-facto independence) and not what these polls are about (reunification or de-jure independence).
But we already had that discussion many times on Listnook over the years.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
+1
Thanks for the updated numbers. And the KMT will never allow reunification tbh; they’re just pro business.
I’d argue they’d pounce at the chance to cripple China at the right opportunity.
But I may no longer be in the know anymore. I know China spent a lot of time and money infiltrating Taiwanese parties with spies and supporters
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Aerottawa5 days ago
-8
The US cannot even prevent Iran from closing the strait. Most people in Taiwan do not want reunification because the standard of living is still much higher in Taiwan. However Taiwan's economy has been stagnating in recent years and people are losing trust in the system.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
+5
What’re you talking about?
Taiwan has grown significantly fast post COVID, their entire ecosystem is booming.
And the reason why the US can’t close the strait is by sheer political will. Less than 30% of US military equipment and soldiers are even in the region.
If Taiwan takes off the entire global supply of chips that NVIDIA, Apple, Samsung, etc.. rely on I promise you they will care.
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Aerottawa5 days ago
-2
Taiwan's GDP has been booming but it has not transferred to the average citizen. Life has been increasingly unaffordable.
If a war happens in Taiwan, the entire global supply chain of chips will be messed up regardless of what the US does.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
Are you insane? Now you’re backtracking.
Taiwanese people have the best quality of life in all of Asia. Their gdp per capita jumped from less than 12k to almost 40k in 30 years.
They have the best healthcare in all of Asia, they’re so successful they’re paying the average migrant worker more than what any of its neighbors pay including Korea and Japan.
Like you’re just making stuff up now and I have to entertain it my god.
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Aerottawa5 days ago
-3
Taiwan does not have better quality of life than Singapore, Japan etc.
Wages have stagnated for 10 years while cost of living skyrocketed.
Its recent GDP growth only benefited corporate and real estate investors, and many of them foreign.
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DogEggz5 days ago
+4
I don't know if you are actually working in Taiwan but salary definately not stagnated for 10 years. Salary keep raising just that inflation is raising faster.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
-3
He’s just talking out of his *** lmao
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harryaungkhant5 days ago
+1
lmao real estate is definitely not going well in taiwan. It is one of the most poor performing real estate market at the moment and housing prices has gone down continuously for years.
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Aerottawa5 days ago
+1
So this report is incorrect? Taipei housing prices increased by 160% since 2017: https://cdn.globalpropertyguide.com/uploads/tinymce/img_690db40a0ee9c7.97424649.png
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DogEggz5 days ago
+2
Did you realize Taiwan GDP increase 170% from 2017 to 2026 also?
Real estate market perform bad for 2-3 years already. Most of the investment turn to Stock market.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+1
>However Taiwan's economy has been stagnating in recent years and people are losing trust in the system.
Ummm.... What? Our economy is doing awesome...
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titanjumka5 days ago
+1
Taiwan's economy is bad for the common person. The DPP is failing more than ever, that's why they keep bringing up China to distract the masses.
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Aerottawa5 days ago
-1
It's awesome if you're the landlord
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+2
Yes... And luckily homeownership in Taiwan is around 90%...
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Aerottawa5 days ago
If you bought a house a decade ago you're probably fine. I've been contemplating taking a job in Taiwan but the housing crisis seems worse than Canada: https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2025/05/20/2003837174
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DogEggz5 days ago
+1
I don't know how well the Taiwan job will pay you. If you're just come to do teaching i suggest don't. You won't be afford Taipei house ever. Only renting.
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I_spread_love_butter5 days ago
-7
67% is quite low though.
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Khamvom5 days ago
+11
This requires clarification.
67% wanna maintain the current status quo. However 80-90% oppose reunification.
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I_spread_love_butter5 days ago
+5
Oh well that changes the picture completely. I hate random 'statistcis' thrown out with no source.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
+2
He’s not even adding the growing minority that wants to be fully autonomous
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+2
Just fyi, but we are already "fully autonomous" (an independent country) under the status quo.
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FrostingHour83515 days ago
+1
67% of people cant agree on ice cream flavors i think 67% for a democracy is quite high especially depending on how the question was asked.
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
-6
Give it another year of the shit the USA is pulling. Taiwan might be begging for China to take them.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
+7
Not how that works, 90% oppose reunification no matter what
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
-7
Im just saying opinions can change. With how unstable the USA is, who knows what the f*** they will pull next. Trump literally tried to take Canada and Greenland and WTF is he doing to Venezuela and Cuba and Iran right now? He’s a literal narcissistic psychopath that could turn his eye towards Taiwan.
People keep saying “that would never happen” AND THEN IT HAPPENS.
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necropuddi5 days ago
+1
Nobody wants to give up their own country's sovereignty lol. It's not US or China. It's having rights vs not having rights.
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Cold-Zucchini93055 days ago
+5
Taiwan saw how china treated HK, they dont want anything to do with China
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+1
How has that been working for China?
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Sinaaaa4 days ago
+1
I wish you were right, however that strategy has been largely unsuccessful & I doubt ξ would wait this out, since any hope for success if on a decade timescale now.
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dennis-w2204 days ago
+1
It is not ture, at least for the big part. Of course, China wants a peaceful reuification if possible, like in Hong Kong. Unfortunately, in the current situation, it is not working for the both sides- from mainland side, the old generation of Taiwaness (the one who fled to Taiwan after hte loss of the civil war) has given the political majority to the new generation, who has very low attatchment to mainland. And decades of seperation, propoganda from both sides, and more importantly in my view, the situation of Hong Kong has made a peaceful reunification much less a popular idea in Taiwan- and that is why the current governing party has won elections since 2008. On the other side, China has grown exponentially stronger economically and militarily ocer the last 3 decades (since the one nation to claims announcement was drafted)- any insistence on a seperation will trigger a war, and you like it or not, the vast majority of mainland people support that war. Independance is practically not an option for Taiwan. They must negotiate a way to maintain the status quo.
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Semajal5 days ago
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLA\_Navy\_landing\_barges](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLA_Navy_landing_barges)
[https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/03/stairway-to-taiwan-the-chinese-amphibious-bridging-system/](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/03/stairway-to-taiwan-the-chinese-amphibious-bridging-system/)
I mean yes, they totally are not building up to have the kit to supply land forces and mass reinforcements onto an island...
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yoghurt5 days ago
+47
This is a nothing burger. KMT pro-business officials have been cozying up to China for years.
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SameCategory5465 days ago
-12
DPP is trash and if anything will eventually their antics may very well induce a takeover of Taiwan by China. The worst is that they are fracturing Taiwan from within by deporting mainland spouses who have been in Taiwan for decades but couldn't find/weren't issued a marriage license at the time. That really pushed some people to the other camp, along with them doing endless recall elections of KMT elected officials AND politically persecuting Ko Wen-Je by making trumped up charges. It's all that and making Taiwan over reliant on LNG that will sink Taiwanese independence in the long run. Cozying up to China is natural because it's literally right there AND in a lot of ways, China doesn't mind the status quo existing for a long time. I agree nothing burger
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+21
Mainland spouses should be above the law? The issue was clear, the law says you must give up your household registration in China if you want to join one in Taiwan. This didn't push anyone to "the other side".
KMT also failed in their recall attempt against DPP politicians.
And Ko was corrupt, proven in the court of law.
China is also pushing against the status quo the hardest between all of the parties involved.
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risingsuncoc5 days ago
+4
>KMT also failed in their recall attempt against DPP politicians.
It was the other way round actually
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
-1
No, it wasn't... the KMT couldn't even get enough signatures to get DPP politicians on the ballot.
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risingsuncoc5 days ago
+8
I was referring to the [2025 recall vote](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Taiwanese_recall_votes). Are you referring to a separate attempt?
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+2
No... the same.
From your article:
>Out of the 39 KMT constituency legislators, recall bids for 35 were filed, and 31 of which were established. **KMT-affiliated groups attempted to recall 15 of the DPP's 38 directly elected MPs, but none were approved by the Central Election Commission due to insufficient signatures.**
KMT tried to do the same thing to DPP, but couldn't even get enough signatures.
Also, DPP did not support the recall until like two weeks prior to it actually happening. It wasn't started by DPP, but by billionaire and UMC semiconductor founder Robert Tsao.
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titanjumka5 days ago
DPP working hard to erase Chinese from Taiwan like erasing Chinese history from textbooks and erasing Chinese from the census.
The DPP is the one pushing the hardest against the status quo especially Lai who is an imperial Japan simp.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+7
Nobody erased Chinese history from textbooks... instead, Taiwan history has its own textbook, and Chinese history is taught as part of World History. If you want to go deeper into Chinese history, it is an elective.
And is there any indication that Lai is going to attempt to start a referendum and change country name to Republic of Taiwan...? No. Stop speaking nonsense.
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titanjumka5 days ago
-1
The DPP rewrote the history books.
>And is there any indication that Lai is going to attempt to start a referendum and change country name to Republic of Taiwan...? No. Stop speaking nonsense.
Why create a strawman argument that I never made? Stop speaking nonsense.
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LordMashie5 days ago
+5
Rewriting history books to say what? To just be more local? Waaa big deal.
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titanjumka4 days ago
+1
Local? Taiwan killed off the locals and then claimed they were the locals.
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LordMashie4 days ago
+1
Is the topic here not about history books?
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+5
hahahah
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tickub3 days ago
+1
As bad as you claim the DPP may be, the KMT isn't winning again any time soon. They've completely lost the younger generations and have nobody down the pipeline to really turn that around. Bringing back the Chiang descendants is only another desperate move to appeal to the old heads who have lived through that family's tumultuous reign.
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Jman1a5 days ago
+38
The cost of ww3 to china isn’t worth it. Cheaper to bribe politicians and let their standard of living grow to the point the some Taiwanese might WANT reunification.
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Round-Ant90315 days ago
+61
Only the Taiwanese believe the U.S. will start WWIII with China over Taiwan. Trump can’t even open the strait. He is more likely to give Taiwan to China for some bitcoins than starting a war against Xi.
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western_red_cedar5 days ago
+24
If anyone thinks Americans, especially after this latest fiasco, are going to actually mobilize and die by the thousands in what essentially amounts to an Asian civil war that they don't understand and have no business in, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like they have a great cultural memory of the last time they tried that, god knows they made enough movies about how sad it made them. Maybe a tyrant like Trump could try and force them into it, re-institute the draft etc, but that would not be an army with the determination to actually defeat a peer power. I would be their "and once as farce" to Vietnam
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NomadFH5 days ago
+14
I initially read your post as "likely to give taiwan to china for some bitches" and laughed so hard
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
+7
They don’t even have to bribe anymore. They just get to sit back and watch the USA f*** the world so badly that everything is literally falling in their lap. For free.
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robozom5 days ago
+12
Closing the Straits of Hormuz is causing an energy shortages in Taiwan. Food shortage is also on the horizon. If the country is in dire enough straits, and dissatisfaction reaches a critical level, a revolution for reunification (and access to China's resources) will happen without China having to lift a finger.
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brute-forced4 days ago
-2
Negative.
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LordMashie5 days ago
+6
How did the KMT go from "f*** those commie traitors" to "yes please absorb us daddy"? Capitulation is not peace. Like I get that CKS was a lunatic and you need to be more pragmatic given the asymmetry in territory and population, but there seems to not even be an effort to defend the status quo.
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Educational-Elk43054 days ago
In reality, the KMT IS “defending the status quo” . From the CKS to the present, they have never wanted independence—at most, they make this gesture in hopes of concessions from the CCP.
They may call the CCP traitors, but they also consider both the CCP and Taiwan to be part of "China," only the legitimacy of this "China's" government is debatable.This is also the biggest point of contention between them and the DPP – the latter believes that Taiwan is "Taiwan" and not China.
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LordMashie4 days ago
+1
Their platform of making Taiwan more economically dependent on mainland China in practice certainly seems counterintuitive to that, given the CCP is ideologically opposed to their existence and has vowed to act on said opposition one way or another. Like that's the CCP's preferred route for "reunification", not a military invasion but a slow integration from within.
The DPP simply maintains the position that Taiwan does not *need* a declaration of independence, because they're *already* independent *as* the Republic of China, IE not being ruled as part of the PRC is the only point that really matters. Sure there's people within who believe Taiwan should be just that, but no one's stupid enough to go through with that when there's essentially nothing to gain (just a name change) while they'd be throwing away the one reason the CCP may have to not invade at least in the short term.
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Educational-Elk43054 days ago
+2
Because times have changed. Since 1991, the KMT has ceased seeking a counter-offensive (and they themselves believe there is no longer any chance), which forms the basis for the "1992 Consensus."
Because the two countries are so geographically close, the abolition of the wartime regime inevitably led to a boom in trade. Not to mention, many Taiwanese were born on the mainland and "drifted" to Taiwan for various reasons. This group is also an important part of the KMT.
They no longer harbored suspicions of communism, but instead, driven by personal feelings or a sense of belonging to their homeland, began investing in and developing the mainland, thus forming a path of economic dependence. This group gradually transformed into "pro-unification" advocates, hoping to achieve peaceful reunification through exchange.The debate was about when and in what form, and whether there could be better conditions—"defend the status quo", they said, "Neither unity nor independence, and absolutely no use of force."
Meanwhile, the "pro-independence" faction gradually broke away from the KMT and formed the current DPP. Among those remaining in the KMT, the relative proportion of pro-unification advocates has naturally increased.
In today's politically polarized world, any attempt to "defend the status quo" is seen as "pro-mainland." Therefore, if the KMT wants to maintain its existence, it can only choose to take the opposite path from the DPP, become the opposition party, and become a "unificationist" party, which is almost inevitable.
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kl1220025 days ago
+7
It sounds like the DPP trying to trigger their supporters against the KMT? It sounds quite similar to the mass electoral recall campaigns in last year ( and that has failed)
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+6
KMT does something.
DPP is doing it!!!
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WinterMuteZZ9Alpha5 days ago
+9
It's better for them to establish peaceful coexistence with China, than go to war with China. The US is not coming to save them—no nation is coming to save them—they are on their own. They need to learn to deal with that fact, and adapt or flee.
China is not going anywhere, and the US is busy destroying itself and every strategic advantage that it had.
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LordMashie5 days ago
+6
That *sounds* nice until you remember that Beijing openly states that they want to absorb Taiwan against the will of everyone living there, all because they don't like how it looks on the map - so it only makes sense for any moves to promote "peace" with mainland China to warrant a decent amount of skepticism.
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AF-IX5 days ago
+3
Same shit China pulled on Hong Kong…devoured them from within.
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StrangerFew24245 days ago
-11
Taiwan (ROC) was never part of China (PRC)... f*** Xi.
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SameCategory5465 days ago
+7
If there's one thing that Chiang Kai-Shek believed, it's that Taiwan is a part of China. Or perhaps China is a part of Taiwan.
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yournames5 days ago
+35
Taiwan was directly governed by Chinese dynasties for roughly 212 years (1683–1895) under the Qing dynasty. Just fyi
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The_Oregon_Duck5 days ago
+22
Yeah, but when the PRC beat the ROC, the ROC fled to Taiwan and the PRC didn’t follow. So the PRC never had control of Taiwan.
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FeynmansWitt5 days ago
+33
PRC doesn’t claim it ever had de facto control of Taiwan. It claims it de jure as the successor to the Qing Dynasty, and because there’s an unfinished civil war.
Further the PRC sees Taiwan as a product of foreign intervention in a Chinese civil war. Since the PRC has historically been prevented from invading by the US navy.
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yournames5 days ago
+1
That’s certainly true. Depends on your definition of what China is.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+10
Parts of Taiwan were also governed by the Spanish, Dutch, and Japanese empires.
History is history, it's 2026.
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WaPeoeraltu5 days ago
+8
They were governed as colonies. Meanwhile Taiwan was a province of China.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+7
At no point did Qing claim to have authority or jurisdiction over the entire island of Taiwan.
Taiwan became a province of Qing in 1887, and they gave up Taiwan in 1895... So for 8 years.
It was ruled as Taihoku Prefecture under Japanese Empire... A prefecture is the equivalent of a province. Japan was also the first power to rule the entire island under single government.
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titanjumka5 days ago
+4
The Taihoku Prefecture did not consist of the entire island. The Taikohku Prefecture only consisted of the north eastern tip of the island.
Not to mention Japan relinquished it's claims to Taiwan and returned it back to China.
Also a prefecture is not the equivalent of a province.
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Sniperizer5 days ago
+8
Chinese dynasties are not the PRC.
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yournames5 days ago
+5
I think he edited the original comment to specify PRC lol
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WaPeoeraltu5 days ago
+4
Chinese dynasties: China
People's Republic of China: China
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Itscurtainsnow5 days ago
+5
200 years is such a blip in Chinese history.
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Loofahs5 days ago
+1
If you’re going to go back that far for justification, technically Japan owned it much more recently than either Chinese government. Should they try to claim it?
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yournames5 days ago
+5
You tell me
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necropuddi5 days ago
-6
Japanese people actually have basic human rights, so yes sure Taiwanese people would prefer that over China's claims.
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essuxs5 days ago
Yeah that’s a gross oversimplification to the point it’s just false
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yournames5 days ago
-3
True
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WaPeoeraltu5 days ago
+5
ROC: Republic of **China**
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StrangerFew24245 days ago
-2
They both feel they're the real China... but like I said, the ROC was never part of the PRC.
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LordMashie5 days ago
+2
This semantic BS about what counts as "China" and what not being part of it means completely misses the substance of the dispute.
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SillyLiving5 days ago
+1
Little green men coming soon...
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
-13
I’m going to be honest, if I were Taiwan watching what is happening in the world….I would be leaning towards China now.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
+12
As someone watching from my home in Taiwan... Hell no.
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Abject_Ad_145 days ago
+12
For what? What a c*** take. Choosing between a rapist and a bully is not a choice.
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
-7
It might be if it’s the only choice you have. With how the world is going, this scenario might happen.
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necropuddi5 days ago
+11
US doesn't rule Taiwan lol. Taiwan has its own laws, elections, Taiwanese people have rights and live comfortably. Chinese people don't even actually own land (they lease it from the CCP, who own 100% of the country's land). There's no world where Taiwanese people give up basic 21st century first world rights voluntarily.
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
-2
Obviously the US doesn’t rule Taiwan. I was just meaning if their psycho Cheeto-brained president decides to make a random move on Taiwan the way he has Venezuela. And Iran. And Canada. And Greenland. And apparently Cuba next…
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necropuddi5 days ago
+8
Taiwan still would prefer that over China lol. Non-Taiwanese people need to stop the bs and just say you don't know what you're talking about. Taiwanese people really really hate the CCP. You'd need like 10 Cheetos to change that.
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-You-know-it-5 days ago
+1
10 Cheetos 🤣
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necropuddi5 days ago
+3
Actually make that the whole bag, though at the current rate of shrinkflation might end up being 10 Cheetos anyway
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AdFeeling8425 days ago
+6
i’ve seen reports taiwan has got free elections, uncensored internet, a free press that can criticise the government, the right to protest, civil liberties and many other drawbacks like that.
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Eclipsed8305 days ago
Lol where do you people come up with this?? 😂😂😂
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pornonationalism5 days ago
-5
With current birthrates there will be a half dozen Taiwanese even left in a hundred years
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