Almost entirely due to TSMC (60% of MSCI Taiwan). Like its economy, Taiwan's stock market is severely lopsided.
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stupid-head4 days ago
+151
Denmark also lopsided (Novo Nordisk)
NZ (Fonterra)
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Fwoggie24 days ago
+23
I would have thought AP Moeller is a big chunk of Denmark's, is that not the case?
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133DK4 days ago
+27
Mærsk, DSV, Ørsted, a few banks are all pretty large
Novo was at one point the highest valued company in Europe, and while it was it really was the major part of the stock market, and still remains at roughly three times the market cap of the second highest
Also Mærsks valuation specifically is a really weird, all shipping is kinda weird, but there are a lot of factors at play wrt Mærsks valuation specifically that make it a bit of an oddball
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Comfortable-Face45934 days ago
+1
Ørsted ftw
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litritium4 days ago
+14
Denmark actually has a pretty diverse economy. Global infrastructure (Mærsk, DSV, ISS), medicine (Novozymes and Novo Nordisk), energy (Vestas, Danfoss), recreation(Lego, Carlsberg, Bestseller).
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sig_figs_27184 days ago
+62
MSCI Taiwan overweights TSMC. On the Taiwan Stock Exchange (TWSE) it’s just shy of 40%. But agreed. This is like a Nokia situation and we know how that turned out for Finland
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hoishinsauce4 days ago
+28
And just like Finland's Nokia, anything that could change that position would be a massive revolution in tech.
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sig_figs_27184 days ago
+25
The bright side for Taiwan is that its enormous chipmaking industrial capacity and depth of technical expertise ensures that it will remain a core player in the semiconductor and advanced electronics industry for the foreseeable future even if TSMC loses technological leadership.
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ccs774 days ago
+7
I believe tsmc is also top 5 companies that filed most patents last year, alongside the likes of Samsung, Qualcomm and Huawei.
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CloudieRaine4 days ago
+6
I think better compare Nokia to HTC. Both are handphone makers, HTC is also Taiwan company.
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hoishinsauce4 days ago
+8
Not really. It's not about production capacity. Nokia died because it stuck in an older tech when there's a technological revolution happening. It missed the smartphone train. Then it got ratfucked by Microsoft.
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BagNo29884 days ago
+1
HTC still doing vr stuff. Yeah checks out
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MajesticBread91474 days ago
+10
TSMC is way more diversified than Nokia ever was.
Sure they're not a conglomerate like Hitachi, but they do both semiconductor fabrication and packaging (the latter is an underappreciated step in the process) and focus on both high end and legacy nodes.
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Budget-Turnover32313 days ago
+2
South Korea too, with just Samsung and SK Hynix (Around a trillion and a half usd in market cap) comprising 45% of the Kospi Index
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Slaaneshdog4 days ago
+115
A single tech company is the reason for this
A stark reminder of just how badly the UK and the rest of the EU fumbled the ball during the era of tech and software proliferation
The EU should have been the ying to Americas yang on this stuff, and instead we're just the skidmark
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IanT864 days ago
+37
As a founder and someone who started up a tech company in the UK, culturally it is a million miles away from how the US approaches business. To many old, conservative people in charge of business strategy, investment, innovative etc.
I actually think AI is the opposite for the UK - we love some regulation and guidelines so could legitimately become a word leader (especially with the likes of DeepMind).
Free, risky, creative businesses are so out of the regular UK leaders comfort zone.
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belketeal3 days ago
+6
Leader in AI? No chance. You essentially have zero investment into frontier models
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Mr_Strol4 days ago
-10
UK already missed the window to be a world leader in AI. Chat GPT exists, Google n Microsoft have invested billions in AI. That ship has sailed.
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IanT864 days ago
+5
They all have major HQ's and teams coming out of London. This feels like an incredibly misinformed opinion. I'd argue DeepMind are the global leaders in AI, with their leader based and born in London and driving all the growth (and wider AI approach by the UK) from Kings Cross
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Mr_Strol4 days ago
+1
Did multiple searchers for the 10 largest AI companies. None had DeepMind listed. Regardless, do you really believe the UK will be global leaders in AI because of one company?
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[deleted]4 days ago
+1
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Mr_Strol4 days ago
Ok.. so DeepMind is owned by an American company. How does this help the other commenters point?
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Logical_Look85414 days ago
+9
Deepmind is Google.
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Mr_Strol4 days ago
+1
What’s your point?
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Jupesthestupes3 days ago
Rezolve is uk
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Mr_Strol3 days ago
+1
Why are people naming random companies?
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xnmyl4 days ago
+6
ASML is the yin to TSMC's yang. ASML is a Dutch company, entirely because the US fumbled the ball on EUV lithography
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wndtrbn4 days ago
+62
In the list of "useless metrics", total market cap must be one of the top ones.
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Elyx_1174 days ago
+18
Mm not really, market cap size has a major impact on the weighting of index composition, which in turn affects how asset managers allocate money (among other factors). Not saying this is happening now but in broad terms a larger market may eventually account for a larger part of a global benchmark like MSCI AC World, and an asset manager will have to put more money on it or risk underperforming.
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ASource35114 days ago
-1
I'm so bored of Taiwanese on Threads bragging about the market cap like it is distributed across the people of TW. 40%+ of the TW stock market is TSMC and 70% of TSMC is owned by foreign companies. Meanwhile TW's average monthly salary is ranked like 44th and it's GDP is ranked 22th
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Amstervince4 days ago
-8
Actually it is for most economic purposes the best metric to follow.
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-Radiation4 days ago
+16
what most economic purposes? I never heard anything like that, it doesnt track distribution of wealth or living standards, can be dominated by a few outliers that do not reflect general economic stability, heavily focused on future expectations and speculation.
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Fwoggie24 days ago
+15
But why? Any company can list anywhere it likes.
Examples of UK companies who are entirely listed on a non UK stock exchange:
* Linde (industrial gases) = $230.8bn
* ARM (computer chips) = $185.9bn
Example of non UK companies listed on a UK stock exchange either partially or fully:
* Samsung Electronics
* Toyota Motor Corp
* Reliance Industries (Indian)
* Total Energies (French)
* BHP (Australian)
* State Bank of India (India)
etc
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wndtrbn4 days ago
+11
Name one.
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Financial_Army_55574 days ago
+2
No, GDP is far more useful
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Amstervince3 days ago
+1
agree, but assumed from post we're talking about stocks
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BennyBagnuts1st4 days ago
+25
The City of London is a global financial centre known for Insurance and complex financial instruments. Not so much its stock market.
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imminatural4 days ago
+11
That's just saying that investing in the UK has poor returns. That's not great.
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BritishAnimator4 days ago
+17
The fact our little island was ahead of the worlds largest semiconductor manufacturer country was surprising in itself.
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tomasNth4 days ago
+93
Its Chinese revenge over British colonialism.
The UK was ahead because of its fish and chips, but Chinese overfishing caused a fish shortage, resulting in poeple settling for chips.
Taiwan makes the most and best chips, so they are ahead.
That is why is China plan to takeover Taiwan, to Seize the fish and chip market from the UK.
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wndtrbn4 days ago
+52
You have potential to become a great shitposter.
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JerbTrooneet4 days ago
+7
The day McDonalds can serve me a side of Ryzen 5 chips with my Big Mac would be a glorious day indeed.
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DeeperMadness4 days ago
+4
Even at current chip prices, the Big Mac will still cost more.
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redsterXVI4 days ago
+17
Isn't their island smaller? Maybe the mercator map is playing tricks on me, but I've also traveled to both and Taiwan felt considerably smaller.
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sig_figs_27184 days ago
+35
UK: 243,610 sq km with a population of 69.9 million
Taiwan: 35,980 sq km with a population of 23.03 million
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CopainChevalier4 days ago
-8
How is that possible anyway? They’re basically a city state, right? How do they have the resources to outperform bigger countries who would have more of the components naturally and more space for more factories?
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EI_TokyoTeddyBear4 days ago
+13
You might be confusing it with Hong Kong with the city state part
Taiwan is an island with several cities, towns etc
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CopainChevalier4 days ago
+2
Ah, yep, my bad. Thank you
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DonQuigleone4 days ago
+2
I'd also add that it has about a 1/3 of the UK's population. Not small. Not big either,
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StandAloneComplexed4 days ago
+5
Please look at a map.
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CopainChevalier4 days ago
Oh man, got a name confused so now the person who never makes mistakes is going to come after me
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BlitzNeko4 days ago
-7
Not surprising, considering the UK has practically no industry and its best sector right now is just oppressing it’s own people.
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The_Artist_Who_Mines4 days ago
+8
Russian bots don't even try anymore
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BlitzNeko3 days ago
Wouldn’t know, why don’t you try anymore? Putin steal your pension? More to the point, tell me what that has to do with my disappointment in the UK?
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Wgh5554 days ago
+9
Absolute garbage. The Uk is the 10th largest manufacturer in the world when that’s not even its main focus. It manufactures exclusively high tech items that can’t easily be copied.
And this is from an economy that is 80% services focused.
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Comfortable-Face45934 days ago
Yay brexit
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Viva_La_Revolucion-4 days ago
-20
Stock markets due not add any value to the bottom 90% of the entire global population... It only enriches the parasite class.
The more you know🌠
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UsedNegotiation82274 days ago
+7
So .. gas prices, prices of commodities and goods don't affect the bottom 90%?
You are absolutely absurd.
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bravenewchurl4 days ago
+5
Commodities are sold on commodities exchanges not stock markets, but even there the prices are not reflective of the actual cost of goods sold due to derivative products and speculation.
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xnmyl4 days ago
+2
He said stock market. commodities are sold in commodities markets, not the stock market
Those are also futures. Futures really don't affect the average person
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Viva_La_Revolucion-4 days ago
-8
Wish i knew as little as you
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VogonSoup4 days ago
-5
That’s exactly what they didn’t say.
“Add any value” is not “affect”.
The 90% ARE affected by the speculators/gamblers/parasites but benefit by exactly ZERO.
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Hicklethumb4 days ago
-11
I see a lot of negativity in the comments. People are just salty that Thaiwan is Thaiwinning
Edit: meant to say Thighwan.
Sorry internet.
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gththrowaway4 days ago
+9
You do understand that Taiwan and Thailand are not the same place, right?
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Virtual_Seaweed71304 days ago
-19
We all know that the only way taiwan went from not existing to having a larger market cap than the UK is by embracing progressivism and diversity. They let in many immigrants to strengthen their economy unlike the UK
Oh wait
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dream2084 days ago
+8
You are talking about the first country in East Asia that legalized gay marriage. And yes, Taiwan relies a lot on South East Asian immigrants to strengthen their economy.
Why the f*** do you treat progress and diversity as some kind of dirty words?
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Virtual_Seaweed71303 days ago
Dude the population is over 95% chinese what are you talking about.
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