How times change with KMT being the losing side of China civil war now being close to CCP.
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West-Honeydew2204Mar 30, 2026
+15
Then consider KMT white terror in Taiwan and the fact the country was run as a dictatorship for decades
Then you will begin to see the similarities and how KMT and CCP can have rapprochement
KMT was not a great party in China. Look up the Shanghai massacre. Also, Chiang Kai-shek was receiving military training aid from the Nazis prior to the Nazi/Japan alliance.
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leinschraderMar 30, 2026
+16
The DPP is a bunch imperial Japan apologists. Taiwan's current president recently downplayed/whitewashed Japanese war crimes and said Japan invading and colonization Taiwan was a good thing and was a step towards bringing unity in Asia with the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
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themathmajicianMar 30, 2026
-7
That's straight from the CCP though. If you see what he actually said, knowing historical fact is not the same as endorsing imperialism, something Taiwan knows better than anyone.
"Germany invaded the USSR to gain living space." does not have the positive connotations you claim.
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AntinsivMar 30, 2026
+6
I'm sure Lai's speech saying KMT opposition party bad, fascist WW2 Japan good was simply "knowing historical fact" when he repeated Japan propaganda by saying they were only trying to do Asian unity.
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themathmajicianMar 30, 2026
-1
The only source of your story is a CCP spokesperson. It is entirely fabricated.
This is a historical fact that he said.
"Japan's colonization of Taiwan was intended to promote the 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.'"
The rest about somehow glorifying imperialism is all fake. Why would anyone think that as a first thought anyways? "Promoting the co prosperity sphere" should equate to "taking over neighboring land to exploit their people and resources for Japan" in any reasonable person's head.
Like always, attacks like this are meant to erode Taiwanese autonomy.
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AntinsivMar 30, 2026
+7
>The only source of your story is a CCP spokesperson. It is entirely fabricated.
>This is a historical fact that he said.
You keep contradicting yourself. You literally just said he said it. When a guy uses his speech to shit on the opposition while glazing rascist WW2 Japan and then says "Japan's colonization of Taiwan was intended to promote the 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" it sure sounds like he's repeating Japanese invasion talking points
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themathmajicianMar 30, 2026
-4
You keep equating what he said to whitewashing Japanese aggression and colonialism. The Chinese keep equating what he said to historical revisionism and "national betrayal". None of those things are true. There's nothing in that quote about downplaying atrocities. All that is a CCP fabrication.
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SunChungShanMar 30, 2026
+4
The Communists were actually the left wing of the KMT. Originally the Commuists and KMT were one party, until Chiang Kai Shek purged them. Chiang's government isn't that different from Mao's. The only major difference is their flags. But you can swap them and still nothing would change.
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phiiotaMar 30, 2026
-6
What they did in Taiwan was bad but what happened in China was during war. China couldn’t be picky when choosing western partners (also Germany was not that bad at that time). CCP also did many terrible things during civil war but not publicized.
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AthenianVulcanMar 30, 2026
+35
Not just China, but parties (the main opposition or any other minor (more than 2 party system) party) that are not in power, should not be allowed to be allowed to visit foreign leaders nor conduct Foreign Policy.
This should be treated as treason and foreign interference.
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West-Honeydew2204Mar 30, 2026
+20
It's a sorta strange topic because even officially in Taiwan (ROC), China (PRC) is not recognized as a separate entity
To visit either area, instead of a passport you need a special permit
It's sorta like Ireland and Northern Ireland or South Korea and North Korea in that sense, countries split by civil war
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random20190826Mar 30, 2026
+5
Specifically, China would treat her as one of their own. The 台胞证 as known in Chinese slang, gives visa free access to China. In theory, a person holding this card has the right to live, work and study in China without restrictions.
The comparison between China/Taiwan and Ireland/Northern Ireland, however, is wildly inaccurate. While China treats ROC citizens as their own, the reverse is anything but. Chinese citizens cannot, in fact, just fly to Taiwan. A visa is required, and immigration is extremely difficult unless you are married to a citizen. You can't immigrate because you are rich and want to invest there; you can't immigrate because you have some highly sought-after skill; and you can't even seek asylum if you are persecuted by the CCP even if the persecution led to arbitrary arrest and detention and you can prove it.
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West-Honeydew2204Mar 30, 2026
+1
I never meant to say these situations are exactly the same - I also gave an example of NK and SK which are even more extreme
I was just saying the situation also isn't exactly like Americans going to the Kremlin
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AthenianVulcanMar 30, 2026
-2
I understand that China-Taiwan is slightly diff case but people of Taiwan (especially young and seeing what happened in HK) do not want to join China, at least maintain status-quo.
So, even here the opposition party (KMT) shouldn't go to China, these is against its people's wishes.
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West-Honeydew2204Mar 30, 2026
-3
Similar to South Koreans not wanting unity with the regime of North Korea
Or when South Vietnam didn't want to join with the North
I would tend to agree joining up with a repressive regime sounds like a nightmare
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AthenianVulcanMar 30, 2026
-3
Taiwanese saw what happened in HK after reunification (CCP went back on what was agreed before HK became part of China) and they don't want to join China.
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West-Honeydew2204Mar 30, 2026
+5
Most people in Taiwan didn't want to join even before HK was returned by the British
The standard of living, democratic institutions, culture over the past 80 years has diverged a lot and most Taiwanese have not want reunification for a while
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AthenianVulcanMar 30, 2026
+2
yes, HK was a strong reinforcement of their beliefs.
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SpyFromMarsHXJDMar 30, 2026
+9
It’s so funny you’re acting like every single person in Taiwan is one entity that supports separatism
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themathmajicianMar 30, 2026
+8
That's not the point. The Canadian opposition leader also tried to do his own visits to an equally bad reaction.
Even then, it's not a stretch to say that a large majority (and the international community alongside) favor the status quo and oppose unilateral attempts to change the current situation.
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Eclipsed830Mar 30, 2026
Essentially nobody in Taiwan supports separatism... Which is why support for unification is extremely low. Essentially nobody wants to become separate from the current government of Taiwan.
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interestingpanzerMar 30, 2026
+1
You say this but one of the defining traits of democracies seems to be opposition parties doing their own foreign policy.
When Czech opposition members visited Taiwan, China asked for an explanation and the ruling government responded:
"China does not understand democracy and the opposition has the freedom to conduct their own diplomatic outreach."
Same with Pelosi visiting Taiwan. Biden gave the same explanation.
You can't have your cake and eat it. Whiich one is it? Do they have the freedom in a multi-party democracy or not?
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RNG_HelpmeMar 30, 2026
+3
I agree with you, but technically KMT leader is visiting their own territory…
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dodgethis_sgMar 30, 2026
+1
\*cough\* Reagan
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JiveChicken00Mar 30, 2026
+3
If history has taught us anything, it’s that larger states can always find collaborators in smaller states that they want to take over.
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modbroccoliMar 30, 2026
+2
Unless there isn't a Taiwan next month.
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NoseknowledgeMar 30, 2026
+6
We've been hearing this for 50 years. Does China really want to implode its own economy for a vanity project like the US is currently doing. I would hope Xi Jinping would know to step aside before his own eventual dementia got to the level of Turnip's or he will be remembered just the same. And thats all these old greedy fucks seem to care about anyway an egotistical legacy
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modbroccoliMar 30, 2026
-4
If you think that's an adequate response then you're essentially saying "I haven't been keeping up lately but I
used to so here's my previous opinion". As a fellow old, I get it, previous opinions are fuckin handy. But the situation at the moment is absolutely unique in the history of this dilemma and for a number of extremely material reasons.
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NoseknowledgeMar 30, 2026
+2
Or I see the military posturing but its also very clear how serious TSMC is about going scorched earth. So no its not the same old arguement. If China prefers to cripple itself to tank the world economy thats an extremely stupid move, TSMC will be rebuilt elsewhere even if it takes time and China will be even less likely to catch up. A mistake I wouldn't expect them to make. Though they could easily follow every other moronic country who thinks invasion is a good idea or they could do less and continue to become closer to top dog of the world powers
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modbroccoliMar 30, 2026
-2
Except I don't think in this moment yhe self-own argument—which has absolutely been valid for many many years—holds. The US is busy and incompetently led at the moment; go now and you force Trump to either abandon the Iran conflict and taciitly admit there hadn't been a need for one or abandon Taiwan and admit it can't stand up to China (nor be a meaningful ally). At the same time, the developed world's about face from America is necessarily, if reluctantly, toward China.
I think they're in a dangerously perfect moment in which their rivals can't retaliate and the their rivals' vassals can't disenfranchise *because* we can't afford to *be* American vassals anymore and China loves little more than boldly looking you straight in the eye and saying "Yeah I'm fuckin doing this. So?"
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NoseknowledgeMar 30, 2026
+1
I don't think you get how deeply they would hurt themselves. The world runs on TSMC including China's smuggled in chips despite them consistantly stating they can replicate the tech. By being cordial this is still easy to do. China invades and TSMC and all its innovation and adjacent industries move to Europe and supplies will get dramatically more expensive for China out of spite. They get a little more conquered land and the world never treats China with kid gloves again. Its really a lose-lose for China and the world but I assumed Xi wasn't as moronic as the rest of the scared angry geezers in charge that could be an over-assumption on my part. I don't think China is as foolish or desperate as Russia has been though
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modbroccoliMar 30, 2026
+2
> industries move to europe
well here's where we really disagree. a) TSMC'e grip has weakened dramatically as China has substantially closed the gap and also begun its own 7nm chip industry b) i don't think the western world is in a position to put its money where it's mouth is—as has so very and disappointingly often been the case, when push comes to shove cheaper > moral. At the level of industry, tbh, I think capital would prefer china as the vendor for TSMC's product, and even a reasonable facsimile of unity in the tech industry has trended toward superceding democracy proper when industry isn't happy . Basically I think we used to believe in the the TSMC bottleneck but haven't quite come to grips with the fact that previous developmental timelines were based on yet older models.
Honestly if America wasn't shitting the bed with such determined velocity I would agree with you, but I think China has abruptly gained leverage on grounds of sanity, and it's also why I think they'll pounce if The Dorito in Chief puts one boot on Iranian sand.
btw I am having tremendous fun disagreeing with you. how delicious to have a cogent partner to spar with for once
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Eclipsed830Mar 30, 2026
+2
>TSMC'e grip has weakened dramatically as China has substantially closed the gap and also begun its own 7nm chip industry
7nm is almost a decade old at this point... trial production was in Q1 2017.
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modbroccoliMar 30, 2026
+1
Ok.
That's an accurate observation. Did you also have a point?
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modbroccoliMar 30, 2026
+1
PS: for fun I fed our conversation into Claude without informing it that I was one of yhe speakers, just let it rip
into us.
The tldr was: I'm ignoring China's strategic history and the cogency of your argument there, and you're failing to update your analysis for the current geopolitical situation, and, most importantly, neither of us actually read this article and have entirely missed the point that a political , rather than military coup is being discussed 😂😂😂
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Eclipsed830Mar 30, 2026
+2
Nothing has actually changed. The same problems are the same problems, for both Taiwan and China. There isn't a larger risk today than there was 5 years ago or even 10 years ago.
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Mysterious_Past6277Mar 30, 2026
Could she be offered a job as the govna to ensure stability until news dies down and china goes and spills some blood to put Taiwanese in line with the chinese child predators (the ccp)
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