We sent the 3 biggest idiots that we could. No one in the USA even trust those bozos. What do you expect?
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UniqueIndividual357919 hr ago
+148
The three stooges would have done a better job. There's more to diplomacy than "Gimme my cut".
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D0nk3yD0ngD0ug16 hr ago
+30
I heard vance suggested an MMA fight on the White House lawn on America’s 250th BDay. Each country picks 3 of their best fighters and best 2 out of 3 take Hormuz.
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inf3ct3dn0n4m310 hr ago
+26
Its fucked that I dont know if youre joking or not
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National-Two24176 hr ago
+1
I don't think he is.
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Striikerr19 hr ago
+42
We sent McFlurry, the hamburger, and the purple guy
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MD90__16 hr ago
+5
Should've sent some French fries
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syadastfu7 hr ago
+2
Excuse me. It's pronounced "freedom fries".
2
Inspect123416 hr ago
+4
*grimace
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TheSleepyTruth17 hr ago
+37
Iran specifically asked to negotiate with Vance, so... they got what they wanted I guess? Let's be real here, neither side was really willing to cede much and Iran has time on their side in this conflict so they have no incentive to take an unfavorable deal. They know the longer this goes on, the more unpopular it becomes with the US public and the more it strangles world energy markets, which is high pressure on Trump to resolve things and only benefits Iran the longer it goes. They know nobody has the stomach for a prolonged land war invasion of Iran which would be the only way to force the Strait open.
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00-Monkey16 hr ago
+20
I could see how they maybe had some hope that Vance would be better than the rest of the administration.
I know I did (I knew he was unqualified but potentially better than average for MAGA, which is a low bar). Than I saw his meeting with Zelensky and realized he was as bad as the rest, if not worse.
Iran is probably anti Ukraine, so it took meeting with him personally to realize what a tool he was.
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MountainMan177 hr ago
+6
Trump has never had to fix or build anything. All he has ever been is a disruptor. He's gained power from it by way of people and nations begging him to stop or refrain from doing the next destructive thing.
Now Iran is the disruptor. They don't have to figure anything out. All they have to do is cause problems. Nothing else.
The tables have been turned on Trump. He now bears the burden of figuring something out. Cleaning up the mess that he created.
He is at a loss, and the whole world can see it...
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beekeeper198116 hr ago
+9
They wanted Vance because they didn't want Kushner and Witkoff. They negotiated in bad faith which led to their leadership being killed while discussing the talks. Instead they got all three.
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Impressive-Potato17 hr ago
+18
Kushner isn't even part of the government so he wasn't sent. He tagged along for some reason
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Small-Literature938014 hr ago
+19
Kushner and Witkoff are part of the real government, the one that doesn't bother with details like elections, laws, Congressional procedure, Constitutional precedent. They serve money, power and Israel. The interests of the US electorate are background noise for those guys.
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flickerdown15 hr ago
+1
Prolly scouting for real estate opportunities
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YukaBazuka16 hr ago
+2
We? Trump
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BillBelichicksBurner8 hr ago
+1
Yeah and let me guess the folks representing from Iran were just perfect and were extremely well educated and were so above the leaders from the US lol. When the new supreme leader is allowed to walk from his injuries let me know
1
dhaliman5 hr ago
+1
Na na, the biggest idiot was playing golf in the US.
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StabbingHoboReturns22 hr ago
+443
It wasn't a serious negotiation for the US, that's why.
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Primsun20 hr ago
+140
Also the Trump administration's history of killing leadership during talks. Kinda hard to have diplomacy if you think the other side will "take a shot" if they got it, regardless. (Also need Israeli buy in which isn't there.)
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taisui20 hr ago
+54
That's why JD hurried the f*** out of there lol
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DeeperMadness11 hr ago
+7
I thought it was because of his faux pas at the start of of the negotiations. As they were beginning, they said to Vance: "Please, have a seat."
To which Vance replied bashfully: "Oh she's lovely, but I haven't even bought her a drink yet."
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GriffinFlash19 hr ago
+33
Pretty sure they used the ceasefire during the talks to sneak their ships into the strait. Now which the US has declared a blockade.
Feels like anytime there is a talk or ceasefire, the US uses it to their advantage to blow something up or prepare to blow something up.
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Ok_Flan440417 hr ago
+10
A la ruzzia...isn't that odd...?
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awfulsome19 hr ago
+36
you have 2 of the least trustworthy regimes trying to negotiate. its f****** Spy vs Spy diplomacy edition.
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The_Follower117 hr ago
+19
I mean, solely in the trust department is Iran not trustworthy? They held to Obama’s nuclear deal until Trump unilaterally tore it up. They’re evil without doubt, killing at minimum thousands of protestors in the recent protests but I haven’t really heard of them breaking their word on actual agreements.
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YellowBook19 hr ago
+5
Spy v Lie
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4x4taco17 hr ago
+4
Lie vs Lie
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Mammoth-Garden-80419 hr ago
+9
Highly doubt it was a serious negotiation by Iran either.
9
No_Signal_696920 hr ago
+17
I feel like they're gonna turn Iran to rubble. I feel bad for everyone involved
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FedBySheep20 hr ago
+19
> It wasn't a serious negotiation for the US, that's why.
Was it for Iran?
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mrtwidlywinks20 hr ago
+49
They showed up with qualified negotiators. Obama got a deal, Trump/Vance demanded a return to the status quo prior to the bombing, plus demanded Iran surrender their nuclear material. Maximalist demands or giving up is no way to negotiate.
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Best_Change415518 hr ago
-13
>Obama got a deal,
Obama negotiated over nuclear material **and nothing else**. As a result, Iran pumped billions into the IRGC, resulting in over a million dead in Syria and Yemen.
I think the idea is to avoid that.
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mrtwidlywinks15 hr ago
+5
Iran wasn't able to enrich uranium, which was the point of the deal. Trump admin wants Iran to give up everything and for America to give up nothing, that's just not dealing with reality. Iran holds has more leverage now than before this stupid war
5
Saneless21 hr ago
+149
If they wanted Iran to trust them why did they send JD?
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youdoitimbusy21 hr ago
+242
You should see what the Pakistani guy said about JDs bullshit. Apparently he kept adding new demands, didn't understand what Iran was offering. Left the table every 10 minutes to call Trump and ask him what he thought.
Bro never had the authority to negotiate, the intelligence to understand what was being offered, or the ability to reason how this would look for the US. While Iran sent experts from every field to answer questions on the spot.
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Effective-Log358321 hr ago
+115
Negotiation is pointless with America right now. Nobody knows when Trump will break the conditions.
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Dragon617220 hr ago
+56
Nobody knows when he will, but they do know that he will
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Aramis44419 hr ago
+8
Art of the deal
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MountainMan177 hr ago
+1
Art of the steal. FIFY.
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fruitloop0000113 hr ago
+1
They'll get a reasonable deal somehow, all of the usual administration lackeys will get out to defend it in podcasts, then the next day it will be thrown out via Truth Social post.
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not_old_redditor19 hr ago
+13
Where's this from?
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youdoitimbusy19 hr ago
+10
An earlier thread about the failed negotiations. I'll have to try and find it.
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Doughtnutz19 hr ago
+5
You sure he wasn't leaving the room every 10 mins to visit a couch?
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pat8u311 hr ago
+1
JD seriously has me questioning the validity of America's universities and law schools
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Mr_Engineering21 hr ago
+46
Iran specifically requested JD because he's not been vocal in support of this conflict
JD is not a diplomat and they know that. They figured that they could manipulate him.
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orange-squeezer4720 hr ago
+1
Kushner and witikoff were there that’s why the Iranians backed off.
1
beekeeper198116 hr ago
+15
They wanted Vance because Kushner and Witkoff fucked them over worse than anything imaginable. They got all three. No wonder they failed.
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TruthNotTrash219 hr ago
+15
In a battle of wits in that room, the US was unarmed. Pointe finale.
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GuardianKnight11 hr ago
+2
You can't be unarmed when the whole point of the trip was to tell them they have no choice and to f*** off if they want to fight, and then have ships ready for a blockade. It was all a ploy to continue moving pieces so that Iran would have no choice but to give in.
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TotalPop521 hr ago
+29
The best case for Iran is negotiating with Vance. I don't know what exactly convinced that man to approved the war but he's one of the most vocal MAGA isolationist in the administration and overall anti-forever war, at least that's what a lot of analysts think of him.
If they can't get any deal with Vance, well i guess the war will continue.
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CipherWeaver20 hr ago
+35
The problem is that Vance didn't have the actual authority to negotiate. He kept having to defer to Trump.
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GuardianKnight11 hr ago
+3
I guess that's what happens when you send someone as a ploy for a bigger plan.
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awfulsome17 hr ago
+3
they just wanted JD to give them the same luck he gave Orban.
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T8ert0t14 hr ago
+3
JD
Whitkoff
Jared
Y'know, Jared? The guy Trump said would have a middle east peace plan in two weeks. In 2016.
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AccomplishedSoft135023 hr ago
+353
Even Americans don't trust those jokers
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Etherius21 hr ago
+35
I mean Americans in general haven’t trusted the government for a HOT minute.
The only difference is WHO hasn’t trusted the government
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I_can_vouch_for_that20 hr ago
+16
WHO doesn't trust them either.
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1HappyIsland20 hr ago
+2
This is the goal of the right.
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Zomunieo22 hr ago
+44
They don’t have the cards and they didn’t say thank you.
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DifferentSquirrel55122 hr ago
+14
Didn't even dress up. Sloppy.
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Larcye21 hr ago
+5
I trust the Iranians more than I trust the terrorists in the white house. Which is something since well I know the Iranians are lying to me already.
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Utterlybored21 hr ago
+1
Am American. Can confirm.
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TemporarySun31422 hr ago
-6
maybe Americans should not have elected them then...
-6
Bongressman21 hr ago
+5
Trump couldn't even crack 50% of the voting population in the latest election. Even the majority of people that bothered turning out to vote, voted against him.
The system the US uses fucks its own voters more than most administrations ever could.
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SuperDBallSam22 hr ago
Since every accusation is a confession, I'm not entirely sure we did.
0
ObviouslyRealPerson22 hr ago
+64
I feel that
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Ble_h22 hr ago
+15
The only surprising thing is that we didn’t bomb them this time.
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Tough_Oven_789021 hr ago
+36
This whole ceasefire was done to buy time.
Pump the market and make money through insider trading.
America wants to choke Asia, specifically China and India, and create a situation where every country whose trade passes through the Strait of Hormuz has to stay on good terms with America.
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ElderSmackJack21 hr ago
+27
Cool it with the conspiracy c***. These people are *not* that calculating
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HueyBluey21 hr ago
+11
And certainly not that smart.
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LymelightTO16 hr ago
+5
Um, they definitely are. That's why they lead with Venezuela.
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OkFix407420 hr ago
+10
Trump is so thinking out of his ass - this makes it sound like he is playing 4d chess !
All trump does is pump and dump the stock market - while throwing everyone under the bus.
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BeautifulBrownie16 hr ago
+1
I don't think the US cares about India at all. China though, sure, they'd like China to be worse off after this, but that's not the primary objective.
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Tough_Oven_78907 hr ago
+1
They need to sell oil and control trades, so why not asian countries?
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Roselily80823 hr ago
+53
I am not surprised.
Jared Kushner and J.D. Vance fail to gain anybody's trust, anywhere.
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EmotionalBag77722 hr ago
+30
They specifically said they didn’t want Jared
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TheGOPisTheDeepState22 hr ago
+79
The Republican Party has zero credibility and are a laughingstock to world.
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swimjock9321 hr ago
+10
I’m sure Vance was in there talking down to them. “Did you even say thank you for us bringing war to your country???”
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JoyboyActual21 hr ago
+21
35,000 protestors machine gunned in 2 days
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justinballsonya14 hr ago
+6
Not totally accurate. They ran out of bullets and started killing protestors with hatchets as well.
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AlexandbroTheGreat14 hr ago
+1
Their negotiators had PhDs. Checkmate.
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dragon_idli22 hr ago
+22
Joke of a negotiation team.
Jared Kushner has deep family friendship ties with netanyahu. And he always supported israel policies along with their west bank expansion attrocities.
Witkoff with his jewish identity and financial + political relationships with israel.
So, no wonder iran did not feel the negotiations trustable.
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Banjo-Oz22 hr ago
+19
I just imagined Mel Brooks in full Rabbi gear walking into the negotiating room. "Israel? Who's that? I'm just here to represent America."
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dannyb_prodigy17 hr ago
+5
Well, when you send people who are fundamentally untrustworthy….
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Key-Rough-834622 hr ago
+16
Our “negotiators” aren’t trusted by us here at home, so the Iranians have the right instinct when it comes to them.
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wytewydow15 hr ago
+2
I'm really surprised, JD seems so genuine and approachable...
/s
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Underfyre8 hr ago
+2
Aww, you felt like you couldn't trust the guy with no principles?
2
PWL518 hr ago
+2
Perhaps the U S should have sent people that know how to negotiate fairly not a team from,clown college
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Difficult_Ad286419 hr ago
+5
That’s what happens when you send a real estate beggar and a coke addict to negotiate
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BrainRobotron16 hr ago
+3
Vance probably wouldn't stop f****** all the couches...
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Hommeboy7516 hr ago
+3
When you have Trump treating our allies like Canada, UK and France (to name a few) like garbage, how can anyone trust anything from this administration.
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nlk7221 hr ago
+4
The US started bombing Iran together with Israel in the midst of negotiations, so gaining their trust will be very hard.
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Funny-Ambition-763122 hr ago
+4
Negotiation at war is about what cards you still have left to play, if you're empty-handed you're in trouble and will be saying such things.
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29100061047802122 hr ago
+16
What's with all the card analogies amongst Trumps cultists?
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dogpoopfruitloops22 hr ago
+10
Bots, AI. Half these comments aren't real.
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MercantileReptile22 hr ago
+5
When life deals you a bad hand and you might be lacking some Aces in the upstairs department, you just gotta hope the stacked deck works.
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Funny-Ambition-763120 hr ago
+5
Why is ignoring the facts common among IRGC propagandists
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thefruitsofzellman18 hr ago
+1
The facts of cards?
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inquisitive_guy_0_122 hr ago
+4
The 'Keeping the straight closed' card has been fairly effective for them so far.
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Pabus_Alt22 hr ago
+2
They clearly think *at least they personally* will survive longer than Trumps domestic support for the war will.
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StupidSexyFlagella22 hr ago
+2
Not sure how either side could trust each other.
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xxInsanex21 hr ago
+2
Cant trust either side as far as you can throw em
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Infamous-Echo-296113 hr ago
+2
Nobody can trust the regime as well so it seems equal and fair no?
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Snipeye0112 hr ago
+2
No kidding. What makes this administration even close to trustworthy beyond trusting them to screw you and stab you in the back?
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Delta27-22 hr ago
+3
Oh yeah currently iran is not respecting the ceasfire and keep blaming others... so why do they need to give them any trust when they themselves are not trustowrthy?
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tom9064022 hr ago
-1
We already broke one agreement, why should they think the same people would honor another? Sort of goes all the way back to propping up the Shah.
-1
chronomagnus22 hr ago
+2
The Trump administration wasn't wanting to do that anyway, they sent JD Vance, someone who has quite possibly the worst instinct on foreign relations.
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Xgentis22 hr ago
I mean both side can't be trusted, so my expectations were low to begin with.
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Mac6296115 hr ago
+1
Oh iran and usa dont trust each other? Any more breaking news?
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relayer7715 hr ago
+1
As if there was any chance of trust in that room.
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Mephisto5069 hr ago
+1
At least they didn’t assassinate them this time.
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truupe22 hr ago
-1
You mean two-faced dumbass JD Vance doesn’t instill trust? Color me shocked!
Then again the Iranians aren’t any better at gaining trust either.
-1
Island_Monkey8622 hr ago
+1
No surprise there. I wouldn't trust these idiots with watching my bike while I run in to the store, never mind running a country or running negotiations.
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Over-Willingness-93321 hr ago
+1
The negotiations can't work when there is no central person in Iran agreeing to things. One set is moderate and another lot is extreme who want to die in flames. It's amazing there are even talks.
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born_in_the_90s22 hr ago
+1
Should have offered Vance a couch with holes
He would not refuse
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Flat-Emergency489122 hr ago
+1
Successful negotiations rely on both sides making sacrifices. Each side cannot have everything it wants. Good luck explaining that to someone like Trump. They need to do to him what he does to everyone else, and sell the losses as a win. In Trumps case, he can claim the strait is reopened, but we all know he’s to blame in the first place. A new news cycle will take over and we’re on to something else. It sucks, but that’s how it seems to work in America.
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OkFix407420 hr ago
+1
That can't be right - Let's see who is involved in the negotiation, hmm that tracks.
Carry on Iran we get the gist.
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SnooChickens153420 hr ago
+1
America elected a clown , now the world has a circus
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TheWombBroomer20 hr ago
+1
Oh man, but they sent crack negotiator and charismatic powerhouse Just Dance Vance. No way he could have screwed this up!
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ttttoday_junior17 hr ago
+1
No surprise. No one outside of Iran trusts them either.
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008Zulu16 hr ago
Does anyone trust America these days?
0
Mercurial89115 hr ago
+2
I am an American, and I especially do not.
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CassiusCreed12 hr ago
+1
What they don't trust Property Developers? Must be a regional thing.
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