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angrybobs Apr 12, 2026 +805

We sent the 3 biggest idiots that we could. No one in the USA even trust those bozos. What do you expect?

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UniqueIndividual3579 Apr 12, 2026 +148

The three stooges would have done a better job. There's more to diplomacy than "Gimme my cut".

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D0nk3yD0ngD0ug Apr 12, 2026 +30

I heard vance suggested an MMA fight on the White House lawn on America’s 250th BDay. Each country picks 3 of their best fighters and best 2 out of 3 take Hormuz.

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inf3ct3dn0n4m3 Apr 13, 2026 +26

Its fucked that I dont know if youre joking or not

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National-Two2417 Apr 13, 2026 +1

I don't think he is.

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Striikerr Apr 12, 2026 +42

We sent McFlurry, the hamburger, and the purple guy

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MD90__ Apr 12, 2026 +5

Should've sent some French fries

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syadastfu Apr 13, 2026 +2

Excuse me. It's pronounced "freedom fries".

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Inspect1234 Apr 12, 2026 +4

*grimace

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TheSleepyTruth Apr 12, 2026 +37

Iran specifically asked to negotiate with Vance, so... they got what they wanted I guess? Let's be real here, neither side was really willing to cede much and Iran has time on their side in this conflict so they have no incentive to take an unfavorable deal. They know the longer this goes on, the more unpopular it becomes with the US public and the more it strangles world energy markets, which is high pressure on Trump to resolve things and only benefits Iran the longer it goes. They know nobody has the stomach for a prolonged land war invasion of Iran which would be the only way to force the Strait open.

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00-Monkey Apr 12, 2026 +20

I could see how they maybe had some hope that Vance would be better than the rest of the administration. I know I did (I knew he was unqualified but potentially better than average for MAGA, which is a low bar). Than I saw his meeting with Zelensky and realized he was as bad as the rest, if not worse. Iran is probably anti Ukraine, so it took meeting with him personally to realize what a tool he was.

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MountainMan17 Apr 13, 2026 +6

Trump has never had to fix or build anything. All he has ever been is a disruptor. He's gained power from it by way of people and nations begging him to stop or refrain from doing the next destructive thing. Now Iran is the disruptor. They don't have to figure anything out. All they have to do is cause problems. Nothing else. The tables have been turned on Trump. He now bears the burden of figuring something out. Cleaning up the mess that he created. He is at a loss, and the whole world can see it...

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beekeeper1981 Apr 12, 2026 +9

They wanted Vance because they didn't want Kushner and Witkoff. They negotiated in bad faith which led to their leadership being killed while discussing the talks. Instead they got all three.

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Impressive-Potato Apr 12, 2026 +18

Kushner isn't even part of the government so he wasn't sent. He tagged along for some reason

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Small-Literature9380 Apr 12, 2026 +19

Kushner and Witkoff are part of the real government, the one that doesn't bother with details like elections, laws, Congressional procedure, Constitutional precedent. They serve money, power and Israel. The interests of the US electorate are background noise for those guys.

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flickerdown Apr 12, 2026 +1

Prolly scouting for real estate opportunities

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YukaBazuka Apr 12, 2026 +2

We? Trump

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BillBelichicksBurner Apr 13, 2026 +1

Yeah and let me guess the folks representing from Iran were just perfect and were extremely well educated and were so above the leaders from the US lol. When the new supreme leader is allowed to walk from his injuries let me know

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dhaliman Apr 13, 2026 +1

Na na, the biggest idiot was playing golf in the US.

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StabbingHoboReturns Apr 12, 2026 +443

It wasn't a serious negotiation for the US, that's why.

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Primsun Apr 12, 2026 +140

Also the Trump administration's history of killing leadership during talks. Kinda hard to have diplomacy if you think the other side will "take a shot" if they got it, regardless. (Also need Israeli buy in which isn't there.)

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taisui Apr 12, 2026 +54

That's why JD hurried the f*** out of there lol

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DeeperMadness Apr 13, 2026 +7

I thought it was because of his faux pas at the start of of the negotiations. As they were beginning, they said to Vance: "Please, have a seat." To which Vance replied bashfully: "Oh she's lovely, but I haven't even bought her a drink yet."

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GriffinFlash Apr 12, 2026 +33

Pretty sure they used the ceasefire during the talks to sneak their ships into the strait. Now which the US has declared a blockade. Feels like anytime there is a talk or ceasefire, the US uses it to their advantage to blow something up or prepare to blow something up.

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Ok_Flan4404 Apr 12, 2026 +10

A la ruzzia...isn't that odd...?

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awfulsome Apr 12, 2026 +36

you have 2 of the least trustworthy regimes trying to negotiate. its f****** Spy vs Spy diplomacy edition.

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The_Follower1 Apr 12, 2026 +19

I mean, solely in the trust department is Iran not trustworthy? They held to Obama’s nuclear deal until Trump unilaterally tore it up. They’re evil without doubt, killing at minimum thousands of protestors in the recent protests but I haven’t really heard of them breaking their word on actual agreements.

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YellowBook Apr 12, 2026 +5

Spy v Lie

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4x4taco Apr 12, 2026 +4

Lie vs Lie

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Mammoth-Garden-804 Apr 12, 2026 +9

Highly doubt it was a serious negotiation by Iran either.

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No_Signal_6969 Apr 12, 2026 +17

I feel like they're gonna turn Iran to rubble. I feel bad for everyone involved

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FedBySheep Apr 12, 2026 +19

> It wasn't a serious negotiation for the US, that's why. Was it for Iran?

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mrtwidlywinks Apr 12, 2026 +49

They showed up with qualified negotiators. Obama got a deal, Trump/Vance demanded a return to the status quo prior to the bombing, plus demanded Iran surrender their nuclear material. Maximalist demands or giving up is no way to negotiate.

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Best_Change4155 Apr 12, 2026 -13

>Obama got a deal, Obama negotiated over nuclear material **and nothing else**. As a result, Iran pumped billions into the IRGC, resulting in over a million dead in Syria and Yemen. I think the idea is to avoid that.

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mrtwidlywinks Apr 12, 2026 +5

Iran wasn't able to enrich uranium, which was the point of the deal. Trump admin wants Iran to give up everything and for America to give up nothing, that's just not dealing with reality. Iran holds has more leverage now than before this stupid war

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Saneless Apr 12, 2026 +149

If they wanted Iran to trust them why did they send JD?

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youdoitimbusy Apr 12, 2026 +242

You should see what the Pakistani guy said about JDs bullshit. Apparently he kept adding new demands, didn't understand what Iran was offering. Left the table every 10 minutes to call Trump and ask him what he thought. Bro never had the authority to negotiate, the intelligence to understand what was being offered, or the ability to reason how this would look for the US. While Iran sent experts from every field to answer questions on the spot.

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Effective-Log3583 Apr 12, 2026 +115

Negotiation is pointless with America right now. Nobody knows when Trump will break the conditions.

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Dragon6172 Apr 12, 2026 +56

Nobody knows when he will, but they do know that he will

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Aramis444 Apr 12, 2026 +8

Art of the deal

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MountainMan17 Apr 13, 2026 +1

Art of the steal. FIFY.

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fruitloop00001 Apr 12, 2026 +1

They'll get a reasonable deal somehow, all of the usual administration lackeys will get out to defend it in podcasts, then the next day it will be thrown out via Truth Social post.

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not_old_redditor Apr 12, 2026 +13

Where's this from?

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youdoitimbusy Apr 12, 2026 +10

An earlier thread about the failed negotiations. I'll have to try and find it.

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Doughtnutz Apr 12, 2026 +5

You sure he wasn't leaving the room every 10 mins to visit a couch?

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pat8u3 Apr 13, 2026 +1

JD seriously has me questioning the validity of America's universities and law schools

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Mr_Engineering Apr 12, 2026 +46

Iran specifically requested JD because he's not been vocal in support of this conflict JD is not a diplomat and they know that. They figured that they could manipulate him.

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orange-squeezer47 Apr 12, 2026 +1

Kushner and witikoff were there that’s why the Iranians backed off.

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beekeeper1981 Apr 12, 2026 +15

They wanted Vance because Kushner and Witkoff fucked them over worse than anything imaginable. They got all three. No wonder they failed.

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TruthNotTrash2 Apr 12, 2026 +15

In a battle of wits in that room, the US was unarmed. Pointe finale.

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GuardianKnight Apr 13, 2026 +2

You can't be unarmed when the whole point of the trip was to tell them they have no choice and to f*** off if they want to fight, and then have ships ready for a blockade. It was all a ploy to continue moving pieces so that Iran would have no choice but to give in.

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TotalPop5 Apr 12, 2026 +29

The best case for Iran is negotiating with Vance. I don't know what exactly convinced that man to approved the war but he's one of the most vocal MAGA isolationist in the administration and overall anti-forever war, at least that's what a lot of analysts think of him. If they can't get any deal with Vance, well i guess the war will continue.

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CipherWeaver Apr 12, 2026 +35

The problem is that Vance didn't have the actual authority to negotiate. He kept having to defer to Trump.

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GuardianKnight Apr 13, 2026 +3

I guess that's what happens when you send someone as a ploy for a bigger plan.

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awfulsome Apr 12, 2026 +3

they just wanted JD to give them the same luck he gave Orban.

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T8ert0t Apr 12, 2026 +3

JD Whitkoff Jared Y'know, Jared? The guy Trump said would have a middle east peace plan in two weeks. In 2016.

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AccomplishedSoft1350 Apr 12, 2026 +353

Even Americans don't trust those jokers

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Etherius Apr 12, 2026 +35

I mean Americans in general haven’t trusted the government for a HOT minute. The only difference is WHO hasn’t trusted the government

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I_can_vouch_for_that Apr 12, 2026 +16

WHO doesn't trust them either.

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1HappyIsland Apr 12, 2026 +2

This is the goal of the right.

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Zomunieo Apr 12, 2026 +44

They don’t have the cards and they didn’t say thank you.

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DifferentSquirrel551 Apr 12, 2026 +14

Didn't even dress up. Sloppy.

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Larcye Apr 12, 2026 +5

I trust the Iranians more than I trust the terrorists in the white house. Which is something since well I know the Iranians are lying to me already.

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Utterlybored Apr 12, 2026 +1

Am American. Can confirm.

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TemporarySun314 Apr 12, 2026 -6

maybe Americans should not have elected them then...

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Bongressman Apr 12, 2026 +5

Trump couldn't even crack 50% of the voting population in the latest election. Even the majority of people that bothered turning out to vote, voted against him. The system the US uses fucks its own voters more than most administrations ever could.

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SuperDBallSam Apr 12, 2026

Since every accusation is a confession, I'm not entirely sure we did.

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ObviouslyRealPerson Apr 12, 2026 +64

I feel that

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Ble_h Apr 12, 2026 +15

The only surprising thing is that we didn’t bomb them this time.

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Tough_Oven_7890 Apr 12, 2026 +36

This whole ceasefire was done to buy time. Pump the market and make money through insider trading. America wants to choke Asia, specifically China and India, and create a situation where every country whose trade passes through the Strait of Hormuz has to stay on good terms with America.

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ElderSmackJack Apr 12, 2026 +27

Cool it with the conspiracy c***. These people are *not* that calculating

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HueyBluey Apr 12, 2026 +11

And certainly not that smart.

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LymelightTO Apr 12, 2026 +5

Um, they definitely are. That's why they lead with Venezuela.

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OkFix4074 Apr 12, 2026 +10

Trump is so thinking out of his ass - this makes it sound like he is playing 4d chess ! All trump does is pump and dump the stock market - while throwing everyone under the bus.

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BeautifulBrownie Apr 12, 2026 +1

I don't think the US cares about India at all. China though, sure, they'd like China to be worse off after this, but that's not the primary objective.

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Tough_Oven_7890 Apr 13, 2026 +1

They need to sell oil and control trades, so why not asian countries?

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Roselily808 Apr 12, 2026 +53

I am not surprised. Jared Kushner and J.D. Vance fail to gain anybody's trust, anywhere.

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EmotionalBag777 Apr 12, 2026 +30

They specifically said they didn’t want Jared

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TheGOPisTheDeepState Apr 12, 2026 +79

The Republican Party has zero credibility and are a laughingstock to world.

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swimjock93 Apr 12, 2026 +10

I’m sure Vance was in there talking down to them. “Did you even say thank you for us bringing war to your country???”

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JoyboyActual Apr 12, 2026 +21

35,000 protestors machine gunned in 2 days

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justinballsonya Apr 12, 2026 +6

Not totally accurate. They ran out of bullets and started killing protestors with hatchets as well.

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AlexandbroTheGreat Apr 12, 2026 +1

Their negotiators had PhDs. Checkmate.

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dragon_idli Apr 12, 2026 +22

Joke of a negotiation team. Jared Kushner has deep family friendship ties with netanyahu. And he always supported israel policies along with their west bank expansion attrocities. Witkoff with his jewish identity and financial + political relationships with israel. So, no wonder iran did not feel the negotiations trustable.

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Banjo-Oz Apr 12, 2026 +19

I just imagined Mel Brooks in full Rabbi gear walking into the negotiating room. "Israel? Who's that? I'm just here to represent America."

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dannyb_prodigy Apr 12, 2026 +5

Well, when you send people who are fundamentally untrustworthy….

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Key-Rough-8346 Apr 12, 2026 +16

Our “negotiators” aren’t trusted by us here at home, so the Iranians have the right instinct when it comes to them.

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wytewydow Apr 12, 2026 +2

I'm really surprised, JD seems so genuine and approachable... /s

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Underfyre Apr 13, 2026 +2

Aww, you felt like you couldn't trust the guy with no principles?

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PWL51 Apr 13, 2026 +2

Perhaps the U S should have sent people that know how to negotiate fairly not a team from,clown college

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Difficult_Ad2864 Apr 12, 2026 +5

That’s what happens when you send a real estate beggar and a coke addict to negotiate

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BrainRobotron Apr 12, 2026 +3

Vance probably wouldn't stop f****** all the couches...

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Hommeboy75 Apr 12, 2026 +3

When you have Trump treating our allies like Canada, UK and France (to name a few) like garbage, how can anyone trust anything from this administration.

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nlk72 Apr 12, 2026 +4

The US started bombing Iran together with Israel in the midst of negotiations, so gaining their trust will be very hard.

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Funny-Ambition-7631 Apr 12, 2026 +4

Negotiation at war is about what cards you still have left to play, if you're empty-handed you're in trouble and will be saying such things.

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291000610478021 Apr 12, 2026 +16

What's with all the card analogies amongst Trumps cultists?

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dogpoopfruitloops Apr 12, 2026 +10

Bots, AI. Half these comments aren't real.

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MercantileReptile Apr 12, 2026 +5

When life deals you a bad hand and you might be lacking some Aces in the upstairs department, you just gotta hope the stacked deck works.

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Funny-Ambition-7631 Apr 12, 2026 +5

Why is ignoring the facts common among IRGC propagandists

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thefruitsofzellman Apr 12, 2026 +1

The facts of cards?

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inquisitive_guy_0_1 Apr 12, 2026 +4

The 'Keeping the straight closed' card has been fairly effective for them so far.

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Pabus_Alt Apr 12, 2026 +2

They clearly think *at least they personally* will survive longer than Trumps domestic support for the war will.

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StupidSexyFlagella Apr 12, 2026 +2

Not sure how either side could trust each other.

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xxInsanex Apr 12, 2026 +2

Cant trust either side as far as you can throw em

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Infamous-Echo-2961 Apr 12, 2026 +2

Nobody can trust the regime as well so it seems equal and fair no?

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Snipeye01 Apr 13, 2026 +2

No kidding. What makes this administration even close to trustworthy beyond trusting them to screw you and stab you in the back?

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Delta27- Apr 12, 2026 +3

Oh yeah currently iran is not respecting the ceasfire and keep blaming others... so why do they need to give them any trust when they themselves are not trustowrthy?

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tom90640 Apr 12, 2026 -1

We already broke one agreement, why should they think the same people would honor another? Sort of goes all the way back to propping up the Shah.

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chronomagnus Apr 12, 2026 +2

The Trump administration wasn't wanting to do that anyway, they sent JD Vance, someone who has quite possibly the worst instinct on foreign relations.

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Xgentis Apr 12, 2026

I mean both side can't be trusted, so my expectations were low to begin with.

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Mac62961 Apr 12, 2026 +1

Oh iran and usa dont trust each other? Any more breaking news?

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relayer77 Apr 12, 2026 +1

As if there was any chance of trust in that room.

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Mephisto506 Apr 13, 2026 +1

At least they didn’t assassinate them this time.

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truupe Apr 12, 2026 -1

You mean two-faced dumbass JD Vance doesn’t instill trust? Color me shocked! Then again the Iranians aren’t any better at gaining trust either.

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Island_Monkey86 Apr 12, 2026 +1

No surprise there. I wouldn't trust these idiots with watching my bike while I run in to the store, never mind running a country or running negotiations.

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Over-Willingness-933 Apr 12, 2026 +1

The negotiations can't work when there is no central person in Iran agreeing to things. One set is moderate and another lot is extreme who want to die in flames. It's amazing there are even talks.

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born_in_the_90s Apr 12, 2026 +1

Should have offered Vance a couch with holes He would not refuse

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Flat-Emergency4891 Apr 12, 2026 +1

Successful negotiations rely on both sides making sacrifices. Each side cannot have everything it wants. Good luck explaining that to someone like Trump. They need to do to him what he does to everyone else, and sell the losses as a win. In Trumps case, he can claim the strait is reopened, but we all know he’s to blame in the first place. A new news cycle will take over and we’re on to something else. It sucks, but that’s how it seems to work in America.

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OkFix4074 Apr 12, 2026 +1

That can't be right - Let's see who is involved in the negotiation, hmm that tracks. Carry on Iran we get the gist.

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SnooChickens1534 Apr 12, 2026 +1

America elected a clown , now the world has a circus

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TheWombBroomer Apr 12, 2026 +1

Oh man, but they sent crack negotiator and charismatic powerhouse Just Dance Vance. No way he could have screwed this up!

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ttttoday_junior Apr 12, 2026 +1

No surprise. No one outside of Iran trusts them either.

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008Zulu Apr 12, 2026

Does anyone trust America these days?

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Mercurial891 Apr 12, 2026 +2

I am an American, and I especially do not.

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CassiusCreed Apr 13, 2026 +1

What they don't trust Property Developers? Must be a regional thing.

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