I thought there was some sort of separation of church and state? Lmao
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InstructionPurple9119 hr ago
+88
That's not how theocracy works
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Theemuts9 hr ago
+56
Lots of Americans are against that. They see people abandoning their faith and instead of looking inward why, they look for ways to force those sinners back into the pews.
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RavensQueen5028 hr ago
+1
Funnily enough, the separation is more for the protection of the Church than the State, which is what these morons don't understand. Do these so called devotees want the government telling them how to worship?
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Theemuts8 hr ago
+1
These people are wholly convinced all good and rational people agree with them. They assume the government won't tell them how to worship, but tell others to worship like them.
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witchofpain8 hr ago
+1
As long as it is Christian and Nationalist. Yes. Yes they do.
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Pockydo8 hr ago
+1
Yea it's honestly ironic
The church (particularly conservative churches) are the reason people are leaving..they see the hypocrisy and bullshit
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leffe1868 hr ago
+1
They’ve been indoctrinating children into their faith for hundreds of years. Via projection, some fear that communists/liberals/the woke/infidels/atheists have been using schools to employ the same tactics and forbidding them from doing so. Rather than schools and colleges simply teaching reality, analysis and thought, and introducing children and young people to other cultures. They’re not concerned about forcing sinners into the pews, they want to indoctrinate while they can.
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Pseudothink8 hr ago
+1
Separated on paper, but in classrooms from preschool on, the Pledge of Allegiance be like "One nation under God" [since 1954](https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm).
Indoctrinating youth through repetition and ritual is religion's bread and butter. They know you gotta get 'em young, before they start developing critical thinking skills.
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RainbowGames8 hr ago
+1
making kids say the pledge of allegiance every day is ridiculous as is, even without the religious component
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Taellosse8 hr ago
+1
But how better to sew the seeds of blind patriotism?! Gotta lay that groundwork early, or it won't have rooted deeply enough to make volunteering for military service sound worthwhile when the time comes to induct the next generation of ~~fodder~~soldiers.
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FireMaster12948 hr ago
+1
National anthems can be fun to sing every day or once a week. But pleding undying allegiance? That feels like a guilt trip to kids that they better be faithful to the country OR ELSE
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5ilver5tar8 hr ago
+1
"One nation under god" in your pledge of allegiance, , "In God we trust" on your money. There's no such thing as separation of church and state in the US, never has been
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iguessitdidgothatway8 hr ago
+1
Only for taxes.
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mrlolloran8 hr ago
+1
Tbh imo if we did that they should have to pay taxes.
And we don’t have separation because of this very fact. Because you have to get tax exempt status, meaning the government regulates which religions are “real enough” to qualify.
Always put a damper on the idea of separation to me.
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gamesbonds9 hr ago
+188
"Critics say it violates the separation of church and state while backers argue that the Ten Commandments are historical and part of the foundation of US law."
the constitutional legal framework vs christianity existed during the time
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Moneia9 hr ago
+44
>"Critics say it violates the separation of church and state while backers argue that the Ten Commandments are historical and part of the foundation of US law."
"So what's the First Commandment?"
We don't see anything that'd codified in law until number six
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ctothel9 hr ago
+37
Literally only two of them are also laws, and I doubt that “don’t kill and don’t steal” are actually based on the 10 commandments.
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O_PLUTO_O9 hr ago
+12
Considering the Christian bible is an amalgamation of stories from a myriad of other older religions I’d say so too.
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Moneia9 hr ago
+1
That's why there's three sets of [Ten Commandments ](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Which_Ten_Commandments.3F)
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Cormacolinde9 hr ago
+3
https://youtu.be/jTb6YGciI2g?si=TunbUo36wHZqLOv6
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KennstduIngo8 hr ago
+1
yet no requirement to post actual foundational documents like the Constitution
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KnobbyDibbler10 hr ago
+312
That's fine then. Just hang a ton of other religious texts next to them too. Don't make it exclusive.
Put some pastafarian and satanic texts up too.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Toomanyeastereggs9 hr ago
+95
A recipe for a nice pasta ragu would go well in hanging on the wall of every school.
R’amen.
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thebarkbarkwoof8 hr ago
+1
Il manzo in Texas è delizioso.
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Luckydog129 hr ago
+70
This is exactly what the Satanic Temple* is for. Hope they have a lawsuit ready to go.
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BabyBackStribz9 hr ago
+28
Its the Satanic Temple who does the lawsuits. Church of Satan is a different Satanism.
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ARQWERTY9 hr ago
+5
I was thinking the same. This is just blatantly unconstitutional. I think they’ll show up.
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Teripid9 hr ago
+8
TST is generally the righteous activist one.
Trouble in all this is the background social pressure..
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thewags058 hr ago
+1
Put the Satanic Temple Tenets and let people see which ones make more sense to themselves
https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
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Pristine_Club_31289 hr ago
+11
If it is in a high school or even middle school, you can guarantee someone will manage it
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therealsylviaplath9 hr ago
+9
Iirc, the law specifies that other religious texts can’t go next to them
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moochs8 hr ago
+1
If I were a teacher, I would easily challenge that. That's religious favoritism 101
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W0gg09 hr ago
+1
Does it say anything about distance away from it? That wouldn’t exclude anywhere else in the school, like the entry way, the hallways or in giant text in the gymnasium or printed on the football field.
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thebarkbarkwoof8 hr ago
+1
I vote for the Paranoid album cover. Or better yet, The Blizzard of Oz would be perfect. It kills 2 birds.
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DazzlerPlus9 hr ago
+1
Thats worthless. Everyone knows that it's the commandments that are the ones being forced in by people with powerful. The threat is still there undiluted.
This isnt malicious compliance, its just compliance.
The only two options are refusal and collaboration.
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yawara2510 hr ago
+122
Post it up right next to a display of sharia law. Watch the hilarity and cognitive dissonance ensue.
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KnobbyDibbler9 hr ago
+16
I get the vibe you're going for, but in this case I feel like it would just give them ideas.
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phyrros8 hr ago
+1
it already gave them ideas as sharia law came after the koran and includes quite a bit of the laws of a different empire ^^
whenever someone says laws are "on the foundation of christian faith".. they are talking about the equivalent of sharia law
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DazzlerPlus9 hr ago
+1
There is no cognitive dissonance. All that will communicate is someone being a pissant who will back down instantly when they put their foot down. Nothing short of refusal will mean jack shit
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Atheios5698 hr ago
+1
That’s not true. The satanic temple successfully salvo’d the ten commandments before, using a statue of baphomet. When you don’t comply they have the backing of the law to enforce compliance. When you maliciously comply and show them their error, they have to react. A forced move if you will. [Baphomet.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Baphomet)
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E1M1_DOOM9 hr ago
+15
So states can just make laws that violate the constitution?
Might as well bring back slavery, fuckers.
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dimriver9 hr ago
+7
Well it's already allowed in the constitution, part of why we have so many prisoners. Now they just need to pump those numbers even higher.
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joshkahl9 hr ago
+2
Good god, don't give them any ideas...
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Consistent-Car62268 hr ago
+1
Wait…it went away? Look at how the US treats migrants workers. There’s a reason why there are so many “illegals” here and why there’s little political will to revise laws and regulate migrant labor. Employers want to be able to pay them as little as possible and treat them as poorly as possible, and use fear of deportation against them
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cyberkine9 hr ago
+39
I keep having to repost this every time some other state tries to pull this off.
To the extent Christianity had anything to do with the founding of this country, it's important to remember that the Pilgrims were not Evangelicals - they were mainly Calvinists. They were trying to get away from the Church of England; rejecting secular control of religion.
The very idea of "Judeo-Christian" anything is just Christian Nationalist propaganda. It's Christians trying to claim far more in common with Jews than there is. It's a Christian idea, not a Jewish idea. They couldn't even get the 10 sayings right. They call them commandments. For Jews they're instructions on how to live as a free people after their exodus from Egypt. For Christians it's about submitting to authority, whether it's divine or secular.
It's not about religion, it's about control.
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phyrros8 hr ago
+1
while i am absolutely on your side for the first part, the last one is a bit more complicated, as the jewish religion is very much a nation building attempt of an religion hand has probably less to do with being free and far more to do with closing their ranks and thus very much about authority.
There is a reason why the first three concern god ;)
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Master-Leopard-26429 hr ago
+26
Something, something, small government
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Random_Person_2468109 hr ago
+32
Funny how Christians need “rules” to keep them in line. Can they not just “be good people” because it’s the moral thing to do? Religion in a nutshell.
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downvotefunnel8 hr ago
+1
Christianity/Catholicism and their analogues in particular.
Trying to explain concepts like "original sin" and "scrupulosity" to people who have not had any exposure to their associated religions was really eye opening. Even (most) sects of Judaism are far more laid back, with an overall focus of being nice to other people and living in the moment. As a recovering southern baptist I can say for sure that there is unlikely to be many religions as obsessed with the afterlife at the cost of your actual life, which we very well may only get one of so is a damn shame.
You ever see a pile of sobbing, despairing people laying at the foot of a cross, pleading, BEGGING desperately for Jesus to kill them right then and there, as their existence was now an unbearable anticipation for a perfect post-life they are *certain* exists and they are entitled to. I'm not surprised they have put all their eggs in one basket... it's a second chance to focus on those they had neglected to spend time with, to enjoy life with, right now. While their attention is always focused on that ultimate outcome, that possibility persists, one where their life wasn't wasted on false promises and desperate searches for meaning in a chaotic, indifferent universe.
When you think of it like that, it makes a lot of sense that so many are gung-ho to catalyze the end times. Remember that they told soliders heading to Iran that it was a *holy war* and a *divine mission*. Oh and they said the conflict was part of "God's divine plan to trigger Armageddon and hasten the return of Jesus."
I fear the world is at risk of terrible catastrophe, and whoever presses the button that seals our fate will think they're the good guys for doing so.
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gene-ing_out9 hr ago
+1
I hate to break it to you but just about everyone kinda needs rules to stay in line, religious or not.
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FadedVictor9 hr ago
+1
If you need rules to prevent yourself from stealing, raping, killing, etc then you're a degenerate. Full stop.
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RipComfortable79899 hr ago
+1
Citation needed.
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gene-ing_out8 hr ago
+1
Ok. I'll find the papers, but we can start with [this](https://www.colgate.edu/news/stories/why-good-people-sometimes-do-bad-things), I guess. I know there are also a number of workplace studies that show workers generally (I think it was around 70%) will only really put in the work they say when they are held accountable. But, honestly, I would think if you just look around it's kind of obvious. There are a ton of rules to help us organize and maintain society, moral attitudes, etc. And, none of us are free from those moral codes that get passed down through culture or religion or philosophy or family structures and behaviors.
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Consistent-Car62269 hr ago
+1
All you really need is the golden rule which likely predates all organized religions
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gene-ing_out8 hr ago
+1
Maybe not... [Love Thy Stranger | Book by Bart D. Ehrman | Official Publisher Page | Simon & Schuster](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Love-Thy-Stranger/Bart-D-Ehrman/9781668025031)
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vissith9 hr ago
+1
Some need more than others. I have a rule: respect the sovereignty of other people's bodies. It covers a LOT without having to spell it out. It doesn't take too many of these abstractions to implicitly define an ethical code.
Religious people, it seems, are not capable of abstract thought. Their base and vile desires must be countered one at a time, each by specific rules.
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Exotic-Screen-92049 hr ago
+7
Which version? There are several - Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, etc.
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OrangeRadiohead9 hr ago
+9
The MAGA version. It's based on Protestant, but no one, especially the President, adheres to them.
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TonyTheTerrible8 hr ago
+1
Tho shalt marry as many times as you wish. But only if thou art a man. Born a man. And also just do what you want
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Cute_Author89169 hr ago
+1
Trump Commandments^TM^! Get your copy for 3 easy payments of $99.99! But wait, there's more grift...
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Belzaem8 hr ago
+1
Behind the commandments is a Request-a-Pardon form that anyone can fill out and it will be automatically processed when certain lump sum is sent to this off-shore bank account
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StableGeniusCovfefe9 hr ago
+7
Wildly unconstitutional
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Lonely_Noyaaa9 hr ago
+1
Texas already approved a bible-infused curriculum, and now they want the ten commandments on every wall. This isn't about history or tradition but it looks like they slowly turning public schools into Sunday schools.
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Godloseslaw9 hr ago
+6
The Flying Spaghetti Monster will RISE AGAIN!
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tattmhomas09 hr ago
+4
Inshallah this does not happen
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cmndrnewt9 hr ago
+4
If someone wants to believe in fairy tales, that’s their right. If they want to teach fairy tales in school as part of literary and historical culture, sounds interesting. If someone wants to force my kid to accept fairy tales are truth and tell him he has to obey the morals of those fairy tales because the make believe characters say so, that person is insane.
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Thetruthislikepoetry9 hr ago
+1
Can’t wait till Mayor Mamdani requires the Koran to be displayed in schools in New York. The conservatives will go bananas.
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StimSimPim9 hr ago
+3
Texas affirmed something disgusting and entirely antithetical to the founding principles of the nation? I’m shocked!… Well, not that shocked.
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CheatsySnoops9 hr ago
+3
Then they should allow the sacred texts of Shrek in schools as well.
In all seriousness, this is just an effort to keep the poor in line to be slaughtered by the ultra-rich, who don't even follow the 10 Commandments themselves.
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Ramoncin9 hr ago
+3
And what about following them? Is that optional?
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Additional_Quiet26009 hr ago
+1
The Constitution is done with. We are so screwed.
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talligan9 hr ago
+1
Sermon on the mount should be the one displayed if they actually cared about the tenets of their religion.
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inDefenseofDragons9 hr ago
+1
On one hand there’s the whole separation of church and state thing they are violating. But on the other hand the best way to make a non Christian is to force christianity on them.
Like everything conservatives do this likely will backfire on them spectacularly.
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Ouch2598 hr ago
+1
Funny you say that. My friend and I both trace the time we gave up religion to the week we were sent to a christian camp when we were 7.
My sister tracers hers to someone bringing in their pastor into the high school classroom for meet a hero day and he was laughed out of the room.
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Kazman078 hr ago
+1
Less Christian Nationalists the better. Those people are sick in the head and should be institutionalized.
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Raynafur9 hr ago
+4
It'll be covered in crudely drawn p**** graffiti within a week.
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Kyr-Shara9 hr ago
+2
which version? there are multiple and republicans have broken them all
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OldLondon8 hr ago
+1
What is the USA weirdness with the church? Coming from the UK it’s just so… idk… 1800s
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fountainpopjunkie8 hr ago
+1
Which version? I don't want the government forcing my child to learn the King James version bs. Why is the government taking away my parental rights and forcing their chosen denomination of religion on my child?
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sigmund148 hr ago
+1
If only people would actually adhere to them. But no, rules for thee, not for me. Bloody hypocrites.
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GreyShot2549 hr ago
+2
Compelled speech is legal in the US congratz!
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TheBlockChainVillage9 hr ago
+1
If it wasn't for the immigrants the USA would still be in the dark ages.
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sonicsludge8 hr ago
+1
Church and state just like our forefathers wanted /s
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thebarkbarkwoof8 hr ago
+1
Of course they can. Do they have to be put under the trump as Jesus picture?
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Ganadai8 hr ago
+1
I'd love to know how they plan on teaching 1st graders about adultery and coveting thy neighbors wife.
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woodpaulusgnome8 hr ago
+1
Why the interest in writings allegedly from a being that may or may not have existed? A moral code is fine to adhere to for every individual, no matter what faith or belief system they follow.
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Komikaze068 hr ago
+1
I hate how they courts work. Its like they've voted against this 100 times and now 1 agrees so they take it and run with it
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mb462048 hr ago
+1
Are they going to honor 2 (no graven image) and 4 (keep the sabbath/7th day/Saturday holy)? Not a chance!
This very act demonstrates the hypocrisy of the radical right!
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TheCzar118 hr ago
+1
Looks like the judge may be a religious nutjob. Should be overturned immediately.
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fullmoon638 hr ago
+1
I get why some people support it, but putting religious text in public school classrooms always feels like crossing a line to me.
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so-so-it-goes9 hr ago
+1
Is there a requirement on the size? Like could a teacher just print it on 3 pt font and just stick it anywhere?
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MVT605139 hr ago
+1
I’d make a 3 x 5 index card with the 10 commandments written in font height 2 and tape it to a closet door.
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dchap18 hr ago
+1
The inside of the closet door.
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Badaxe138 hr ago
+1
Now make sure the people there follow every commandment. It’s a good start.
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Cynical_Classicist9 hr ago
Separation of church and state then.
I wonder if politicians following them might be more helpful.
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