This almost makes me want to install Linux or a VM so I can play around with listnook and pretend I'm the king.
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KeyserSosaMay 19, 2010
+38
If you are running windows, the [player is free](http://www.vmware.com/products/player/).
38
pablogrbMay 19, 2010
+4
Then again, so is [VBox](http://www.virtualbox.org/)
4
KeyserSosaMay 19, 2010
+7
We're not trying to discriminate against any one virtualizer. The choice boiled down to us already having VMWare up and running on our dev boxes.
7
spelunkerMay 19, 2010
+3
Wait, can VirtualBox run VMWare images? If so, that's awesome because I have a Mac and VMWare Player isn't available for OS X :-(
3
bobcatMay 19, 2010
+4
Yes.
4
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+1
It can import vmdk files. Just need to make your own machine config around it, may take a bit of tinkering before you find the right harddisk setup though.
1
TCPIPMay 20, 2010
+1
The latest version of Virtual Box didn't want play nice with the VMDK files in this image sadly..
1
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+1
Works fine for me, just add "Ubuntu 64-bit.vmdk" in the virtual media manager and create a new Ubuntu 64-bit VM with that disk.
1
TCPIPMay 20, 2010
+1
Yeah I tried that, got some "VersionErr" error message. It was early this morning will try again when I get home.
1
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+1
FWIW, we got it running on VirtualBox last night on the Mac. We'll probably have an updated VM sometime today that might play nicer.
1
TCPIPMay 20, 2010
+1
It was me not being awake this morning. Tried to use the ".Ubuntu 64-bit.vmdk" instead of Ubuntu 64-bit.vmdk. So nevermind.. I'll seed a bit extra for my stupidity.
1
redwall_hpMay 20, 2010
+2
Why is *that* free, while VMWare Fusion costs like $100?
2
andersberghMay 20, 2010
+2
because VirtualBox is really good :D doesn't look as good though. that's due to Qt, but who cares when the configuration UI isn't really what's interesting...
2
redwall_hpMay 20, 2010
+2
VirtualBox needs a lot of work. I can run 3D games in VMWare Fusion, but VirtualBox has major DirectX issues.
2
andersberghMay 20, 2010
+1
I just noticed that I replied to your post about VMware player, but I thought the original post referenced VirtualBox.. whoops :o
1
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+1
Speaking from experience - VMWare is better integrated, faster and has more options. VirtualBox/MS Virtual PC are excellent products for dicking around with, but in production they tend not to provide the same level of flexibility or performance in practical use.
1
raldiMay 19, 2010
+76
I'm on a horse.
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echochamberMay 19, 2010
+573
Hello Listnookors, look at your submission, now back to the home page, now back at your submission. Sadly, your submission isn't on the homepage, but if you stopped rehashing old content here and switched to your own Listnook it could be. Vote down, now back up, where are you? You're on a server with the Listnook your Listnook could look like. What's that in your VM? I have it. It's a submission, with two upvotes, about that thing you like. Look again, the upvotes are now karma! Anything is possible when your Listnook runs on a VM and not the Internet. It's open source.
573
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+27
[deleted]
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krazykipa-May 20, 2010
+12
I would just like to say that your name is awesome.
12
bechusMay 19, 2010
+86
> It's open source.
*Gets down on one knee*
Echochamber, will you accept this Listnook Friendship, to have and to hold, in upvotes and in downvotes, till deleting your profile do you part?
86
echochamberMay 20, 2010
+40
Okay, then get on Facebook and fertalise my crops.
40
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+27
Is that what you kids are calling it these days.
27
OtisDElevatorMay 20, 2010
+3
Same shit, different bucket.
3
RedDragonsMay 19, 2010
+5
Well played good sir, well played. I even heard the little old spice jingle thing in my head after I read that.
5
mikemcgMay 20, 2010
+3
>Vote down, now back up, where are you?
Just so you know, that's what made me upvote you. AMAZING line.
3
WhatTheFuckMay 20, 2010
+20
> Your on a server
Your what?
20
CFHQYHMay 20, 2010
+33
His on a server, can't you read?
33
PanTardovskiMay 20, 2010
+2
For some reason I heard that as "can't you 'rehd?'" Which I'm going to declare even funnier.
2
echochamberMay 20, 2010
+9
In my defence, I'm on a mobile phone and English isn't my second lanuage.
9
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+3
Is it your third?
3
pandadudeMay 20, 2010
+3
Instead of saying "Your what?", you should have just let your username does its job.
3
xrobauMay 19, 2010
+24
[Bestof'd](http://www.listnook.com/r/bestof/comments/c62um/hello_listnookors_look_at_your_submission_now_back/)
*Edit: Apparently, this is bad form. Apologies to the regular /r/bestof posters.
24
chemosabeMay 20, 2010
+21
Why do people downvote for doing this? I don't get it. I wouldn't have seen this comment without the bestof link, so I upvoted.
21
kleinbl00May 20, 2010
+17
Because announcing the bestof is poor form. It's much more fun for the commenter when a comment suddenly ends up in triple-digit upvotes.
Custom has long held that announcing a bestof is simply bad manners. The fact that xrobau's comment is not deeply into the negative reflects how much new blood there really is these days.
17
xrobauMay 20, 2010
+4
Well, I've been around for 3 years (go check) and whilst I rarely post to bestof, all the ones I've seen (and, admittedly, paid attention to, which is probably significantly less than 'all') have been replied to by a link to the /r/bestof post.
I would also like to disagree with you claiming that posting a 'bestof'd' is equivalent to saying 'this', which I find insanely annoying at the best of times. Maybe I don't understand it - doesn't 'this' mean 'I agree with this statement'?
I'm actively involved in listnook - I run the Australian TF2 server. Most of my posts are self to /r/tf2au, which gives me no karma at all. So meh.
Maybe one of the editors of /r/bestof should stick that in the sidebar.
4
chemosabeMay 20, 2010
+1
It was negative when I posted, and I don't agree that it's poor form to announce it, but whatever.
\* Edit to expand on why I don't agree. You're unnecessarily penalizing someone for trying to contribute to the community. A lot of stuff gets posted here every day. Some of it good, some of it bad. Some people want to spend their time helping to highlight the good stuff? Why punish them for it? At the very least, don't downvote them. If that's the reaction they get, the next time they see something they think deserves wider recognition, they're not going to bother. Downvote the people who detract from the community, not the ones who add to it.
1
kleinbl00May 20, 2010
+4
Okay, look. You aren't penalizing anyone - they're getting karma (not comment karma) for submitting the bestof. Saying "bestof" is about the equivalent of saying "this" or "upvoted" - we know. And you know what? I bestof once or twice a month, and on rare occasions multiple times per day. *I* prefer not to find out until I click on a "bestof" link and read my own writing.
but whatever.
4
chemosabeMay 20, 2010
+2
It's a point of view, I suppose. My personal default is to never downvote anyone unless it's wildly off topic. Again I'd go back to the point that there's both good and bad here, and I'd rather not ostracize the people who do good. Whether you like it not, coming in and finding your comment downvoted to some negative number when all you're trying to do is contribute is certainly not very welcoming.
2
badjoke33May 20, 2010
+3
I instinctively whistled the jingle afterward.
3
lanismycousinMay 19, 2010
+9
thats not a horse, its sarah jessica parker
9
bobcatMay 19, 2010
+2
You can use a VMWare disk in VirtualBox, too. Create a new VM, choose existing disk...
2
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+2
When i do that i look in the extracted directory of the VMDK but theres tons of them and all the ones i chose give me errors. what am i missing?
2
bobcatMay 20, 2010
+1
They seem to have built it on VMWare Fusion on a Mac, and it's in a bunch of pieces. I don't have VMWare installed so I can combine them. Hopefully someone will load it and export it into open Vm format.
cslowe, are you listening?
1
haxdMay 20, 2010
+1
You say that but it just took me ten minutes to download, and it even did a City lookup on the state I entered. Now VM Ware have the details for a Mr. Sucks C***. I hope they put that information to good use.
1
gh5046May 19, 2010
+1
Just be aware: VMPlayer is crippled. You will not see the same performance as you would with their other products.
1
gliscameriaMay 20, 2010
+1
Every time I think I'm finalllllly going to switch over to virtualbox for good... VM sucks me back in.
1
grotgrotMay 19, 2010
+31
Install avahi-daemon and name the vm listnook and then it will automatically be available as the name 'listnook.local' for Mac and Linux clients using [ZeroConf](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf)/[Bonjour](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_%28software%29). Windows users can get a Zeroconf client from http://support.apple.com/kb/DL999 - just ignore the stuff about printers. Then no need to worry about IP addresses, DHCP etc.
I'd suggest exporting the VM in [open virtualization format](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Virtualization_Format) thereby making it really easy for people using any virtualization solution to import.
I'm still downloading but have some suggestions for you to make this smaller and nicer configured (yes I do this stuff for a living :)
* Ensure you installed the linux-virtual package to get the kernel (as opposed to just plain linux or linux-server). It has a lot fewer unnecessary device drivers and saves quite a bit of space.
* apt-get install oem-config
* apt-get autoremove clean
* oem-config-prepare
* find /var/cache -type f | xargs rm
* dd if=/dev/zero of=/xx ; rm /xx # fills unused disk with zeroes making exporting vmdk a lot smaller
* halt
At this point export the image to ovf. When it is next started up it will ask questions about keyboard mapping, setting up a user, host name, time zone etc.
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jedbergMay 19, 2010
+13
Awesome! Any chance we could get you to do that and send us the new better VM?
13
grotgrotMay 20, 2010
+22
You should never trust binary blobs from strangers! In any event my upstream connection would take over 5 hours completely maxed out to upload back.
Edit: Rest of post copied to [appropriate place](http://www.listnook.com/r/listnookdev/comments/c625v/questions_and_discussion_about_the_new_listnook_vm/), left here as a historical record.
I typed the following:
sudo apt-get install avahi-daemon
sudo apt-get install oem-config
sudo apt-get autoremove
sudo apt-get clean
sudo oem-config-prepare
sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/xx bs=1024k
sudo rm /xx
sudo halt
Then I exported as OVF, and got these sizes in megabytes (1024 based):
587 ovf.tar
544 ovf.tar.gz
540 ovf.tar.bz2
523 ovf.tar.lzma
That will provide a far more useful appliance as the username, machine name, keyboard, timezone etc will be setup on next boot. (Or they should - sometimes it is a little temperamental.) Additionally networking will work as the mac address was cleared. (Ubuntu stores the mac address for each network interface so anybody using your VM will get a different one bound to eth1 which isn't automatically configured.)
It would be possible to make the VM smaller by doing more cleanups. For example there are lots of logfiles, apt cache of cdrom contents and mirrors, and the listnook user is receiving frequent email (over 300kb and growing). Unnecessary packages can be removed (do you really need an IMAP server?). Swap the kernel for linux-virtual (a pain because you need to convince it to completely clean out linux-server, linux image etc first).
BTW when you boot from the Ubuntu server CD you can hit F4 and pick a minimal virtual machine install which is a good starting point the next time you need to build a VM.
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jedbergMay 20, 2010
+6
> You should never trust binary blobs from strangers!
You're right. I'm ashamed for even suggesting it.
We're building a new VM that incorporates your suggestions. It will probably be released tomorrow.
6
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+3
So, just because his comment is plain text and not binary you're trusting him?
Clueless newbies... When the world ends, it will be in ASCII not in bytestream.
3
0drew0May 20, 2010
+4
I have no idea wtf you're talking about, but I like it!
4
RedDragonsMay 20, 2010
+2
This is why listnook is fully awesome. Grotgrot, put your money where your mouth is ;)
2
sealclubberMay 19, 2010
+120
Heh. I can see it now:
"I thought I was an active member of listnook for one year, but then found out I was only running the VM. No wonder I wasn't getting any upvotes. AMA."
120
DrJulianBashirMay 19, 2010
+33
"Why am I the only person submitting? Oh well."
33
willis77May 19, 2010
+14
And where did all these Agent Smith guys come from?
14
perezidenttMay 20, 2010
+7
/r/apathy
7
feureauMay 20, 2010
+1
I wish we can run our own listnook, and just have the software running inside our browser connect directly to the listnook database and submits/calls data. That way it would save a lot of processing time on listnook's part, and maybe the site wouldn't be so crashy.
1
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+1
That is kind of the model we want to move to -- have the browser do more of the rendering and get the data via API calls.
1
CDRnotDVDMay 20, 2010
+1
Listnook already loads very slowly on my iPhone. Won't this change make it slower for all users with mobile devices?
1
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+2
Yes, it would. If we did this of course we would have to have a proper lightweight phone interface too.
2
NoMoreNicksLeftMay 19, 2010
+9
What do you guys think about allowing utf8 in usernames, or allowing longer ones? This is undoubtedly a minor change, but is it one that you'd accept?
A second idea I'm toying with would change markdown slightly, to linkify /r/sublistnooks in a comment. Is that a change you'd accept?
A third idea I've nagged you guys with for months is turning on images in markdown for admins only, and perhaps only within a text submission and not comments in general. Would you accept this, and stop using that atrocious blogger/wordpress/whatever-the-f*** it is?
If you are interested in any of these, I'd put in the time.
9
ketralnisMay 19, 2010
+7
> What do you guys think about allowing utf8 in usernames, or allowing longer ones?
Try asking on /r/listnookdev where we can give more space to the discussion, especially mention why you'd want such a thing and how you'd counter objections like "couldn't I impersonate admins with utf-8 names?"
> A second idea I'm toying with would change markdown slightly, to linkify /r/sublistnooks in a comment. Is that a change you'd accept?
As long as it's a clean addition, yeah. It would probably need to be done in `d*******`
> A third idea I've nagged you guys with for months is turning on images in markdown for admins only, and perhaps only within a text submission and not comments in general. Would you accept this, and stop using that atrocious blogger/wordpress/whatever-the-f*** it is?
It's blogger, and bring it up on /r/listnookdev, but at present I'm not convinced that we need such a thing, I'm not sure it's a problem that we have.
7
NoMoreNicksLeftMay 19, 2010
+3
> Try asking on /r/listnookdev where we can give more space to the discussion, especially mention why you'd want such a thing and how you'd counter objections like "couldn't I impersonate admins with utf-8 names?"
I'll ask there, but I'll also say that I expected this objection and I'm willing to raise a "we can color utf8 characters differently, or some such" to make it possible. Not everyone wants a latin-1 uname, and there are legitimate uses besides just the novelty account value. Besides, admit it, you'd chuckle over a few too.
> As long as it's a clean addition, yeah. It would probably need to be done in d*******
Just read that. I imagine it'd be clean, and the code's not likely to be accidentally triggered, either.
> It's blogger, and bring it up on /r/listnookdev, but at present I'm not convinced that we need such a thing
You assholes have written cool software. Either that, or tortured some poor slob in the listnook hq dungeon into writing cool software. Either way, you should be proud of that, and use it.
But I'll ask later, and bring more details.
3
ty5onMay 19, 2010
+2
I'll ask this in [/r/listnookdev](http://www.listnook.com/r/listnookdev/comments/c63tm/is_there_a_way_for_mods_to_disable_the_email/) too -
I'm a new mod at [/r/oilspill](/r/oilspill) and would like to make it easier for people to submit. We don't have a problem with spammers at the moment. Can we temporarily disable this feature? Would you accept a patch of this kind if there isn't yet a way to do this?
EDIT: [listnookdev post](http://www.listnook.com/r/listnookdev/comments/c63tm/is_there_a_way_for_mods_to_disable_the_email/)
2
ketralnisMay 19, 2010
+1
> Can we temporarily disable this feature?
We'd have trouble with spammers creating their own listnooks and flooding them with spam
1
ty5onMay 19, 2010
+3
Why would anyone but the spammers and their bots see those listnooks?
3
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+2
It would put a lot of unneeded load on our databases and also fill up the [master new queue](/r/all/new?sort=new).
2
ty5onMay 20, 2010
+1
Thanks for replying. That makes sense.
But what's stopping a spammer from adding all of their alts as contributors?
1
raldiMay 20, 2010
+4
Me.
4
ty5onMay 20, 2010
+1
Ok. I respect that you have a better view of the spam situation than I do, but this recent change has really degraded my experience, and I'm sure you've lost a lot of people who care about privacy but are not as addicted to the system.
It's a pain to request contributor status in almost every listnook I want to post in. I've had to walk several annoyed moderators through the steps. For the most part they've been good sports, with the exception of /r/pics, who have decided to make it policy not to give us zeks contributor status because it would be too much work. I hope the change is worth it.
1
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+2
search engines. and don't you think listnook already has enough load?
2
ty5onMay 20, 2010
+3
What's stopping a spammer from adding all of their alts as contributors?
3
raldiMay 19, 2010
+12
> A third idea I've nagged you guys with for months is turning on images in markdown for admins only,
Oh, we've got the patch ready to go, but every time you nag us about it i postpone deployment by a month.
12
orengMay 19, 2010
+9
that's the approach I used to get my fiance's family to stop nagging me about getting married.
9
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+42
This is the thing that tips me over the edge, my project this summer is to get one patch submitted to listnook.
42
TJ11240May 19, 2010
+24
Godspeed
24
GeoAtreidesMay 19, 2010
+18
18
jaggederestMay 19, 2010
+11
Also, Dude, African American, please. Black is not the preferred nomenclature.
11
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+5
Yeah, but that album really tied the room together.
5
mrkev333May 20, 2010
+2
F*** it Dude, let's go bowling.
2
KeyserSosaMay 19, 2010
+132
preemptive comment: since you can see the source code, *now* it's ok to call the admins idiots.
132
ketralnisMay 19, 2010
+13
As long as you can point to the relevant source code lines of idiocy, of course
13
pluripotentcatMay 19, 2010
+21
Don't bring your 'logic' into this.
21
jedbergMay 19, 2010
+144
You guys are all ignorant n00bs!
144
square_cubedMay 19, 2010
+47
Paying for every byte of bandwidth? I pay $5 a month for web hosting and get unlimited megagigabytes, and my wordpress blog loads really fast too. Do you guys honestly have any idea what you're actually doing?
47
ali0May 19, 2010
+22
It's kinda sad that I thought it was a real possibility you weren't joking, even considering your megagigabytes.
22
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+29
Meh, I just want to know why there are so many deleted comments here.
29
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+23
raldi is drunk on power, thankfully it's not jedberg!
23
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+10
Why, what would jedberg do?
10
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+62
This user account has been deleted by jedberg.
62
AzuredMay 19, 2010
+16
He'll kill us all!
16
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+15
Save yourself!
15
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+5
Muhahahaha!
5
mthodeMay 19, 2010
+1
Someone started a meme thread (I'm not your n00b, pal) etc.
I seem to be the only one that didn't delete a comment :/
1
bechusMay 19, 2010
+5
Yeah. The admins are so stupid, they'd mistake "then" and "than".
5
jedbergMay 19, 2010
+12
I don't know what you are talking about.
12
saintmuseMay 20, 2010
+2
You avoided the you're/your mistake entirely....good show. However, you ended your sentence with a preposition.....shame on you.
As Winston Churchill was purportedly to have said of man who corrected him on the latter, "This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put."
2
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+5
> "This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put."
You preempted my response.
5
saintmuseMay 20, 2010
+3
It's a silly rule, really.
The following sentences make perfect sense to me:
Where were you at?
What were you and him talking about?
Whose bed did you sleep in?
Who were you sleeping with?!?!
3
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+2
> Where were you at?
"Where were you?" makes just as much sense.
2
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+173
Listnook ran so much better when I was an Admin. Best day ever.
173
AzuredMay 19, 2010
+34
I still can't believe that Jedberg is a shill account.
34
KeyserSosaMay 19, 2010
+52
Come to think of it, I've never seen jedberg, raldi, and ketralnis all in the same place...
That's clearly a shop. Look, I even found the [original](http://i.imgur.com/cFkul.jpg).
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+58
[deleted]
58
bechusMay 19, 2010
+11
Problem?
11
thinkaloneMay 20, 2010
+2
The troll-headed raptor looks particularly hi-larious
2
jedbergMay 19, 2010
+7
Shhhh. Stop giving away my secrets!
7
ketralnisMay 19, 2010
+8
They're always after your lucky shills
8
davidreiss666May 19, 2010
+2
An admission! You don't exist. This web site doesn't exist. My posts don't exist. I don't exist! The entire Internet doesn't exist! Ahhhggg!!
NO CARRIER
2
bechusMay 19, 2010
+46
That's why I ninjabanned all the other admins. Take *that*!
46
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+1
I honestly believed that they made a mistake or I made a comment so awesome that they made me one.
1
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+21
[deleted]
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RedDragonsMay 19, 2010
+56
Did you include the slowness simulator as well? =)
56
jedbergMay 19, 2010
+70
No, we took that out. In fact, your local version of listnook will be so fast you'll be confused.
70
RedDragonsMay 19, 2010
+28
Sweet. This could be the start of a distributed model for Listnook. I hope you included your botnet code. Oops I mean optimization code.. Wink Wink..
28
hybird607May 20, 2010
+7
I've always been curious about something that I'm sure you've had to answer dozens (or millions?) of times. Why is it when you post it sometimes shows the [A] and other times it just looks like a regular user?
PS. You guys rock.
7
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+7
We can turn on the red A when we are speaking officially. Usually we are just regular users. Sometimes we forget to turn it on.
7
mjschultzMay 20, 2010
+8
> You guys are all ignorant n00bs!
I find it awesome that that was an "official" comment. Keep on rockin'.
8
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+18
I thought it stood for a******.
18
jedbergMay 20, 2010
+8
It does.
8
cowinabadplaceMay 20, 2010
+1
> We can turn on the red A when we are speaking officially.
Oh really? Like [we don't know what it really means](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Letter)
1
raldiMay 19, 2010
+86
That automatically installs itself once your site becomes popular.
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lil0neMay 19, 2010
+12
Thanks admins.. Currently seeding on a 100MB uplinked box.
For people not able to use torrents, use this direct link so Listnook does not have to pay for it.
http://174.120.111.234/listnook-vm.tar.gz
(Starcraft 2 Beta patches are [here](http://174.120.111.234/sc2beta_us/) too if you need them.)
**UPDATE!**
**STATS FOR THE GEEK INSIDE OF YOU :: [ONE](http://imgur.com/IgfTt) -- [TWO](http://imgur.com/qu8Za)**
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HawkUKMay 20, 2010
+3
Thank you!
Stupid uni network. I can use Usenet just fine. Torrents are a big no though.
3
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+1
I've always had success with torrent2exe.com no idea how or why...but it gets around every block in place
1
[deleted]May 20, 2010
+1
Dang so it was you! I saw this IP address in my peer list transferring at 3.5 mb/sec, total download speed was over 7.5 meg/sec. Wow!
1
dbconnectMay 20, 2010
+1
Many thanks! I was just going to ask if someone would be kind enough to host it somewhere. No torrents for me :(.
1
TCPIPMay 21, 2010
+1
Here is the t****** after 24 hours seeding..
http://i.imgur.com/pkkui.png
Not a huge demand... :)
1
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+3
Finally! Now to pester my hosting provider to set this up as an image I can deploy anywhere. Hopefully you'll get lots of help now, yay more featurefull listnook!
3
FausterMay 19, 2010
+2
I'm so happy that listnook admins keep making improvements, and keep releasing easier-to-use source code. Major wuffies are in store for these folks when venture altruism takes off after the release of listnook v2020.0
But in the mean time, let me know if it's easy to implement this through your hosting provider. I'll sign up for whatever provider has a unix command line and enables efficient deployment of the VM.
2
[deleted]May 19, 2010
+17
[deleted]
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FausterMay 19, 2010
+15
Admins can edit post titles after posting? They should make this a fea.... oh.
Edit: karmassassin corrected Keyers improper use of "then ever", revealing that admins can can edit post titles retroactively... and probably comments too!
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ketralnisMay 19, 2010
+17
Yes, but it's a real pain, we have to manually update the title in the database and in memcached.
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raldiMay 19, 2010
+9
Also, there are no user-is-author checks, which we'd need to put in place if we made the feature generally-available.
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FausterMay 19, 2010
+5
So it seems a disgruntled admin can defame another (or anyone else) with the most shameful "admission" that imagination permits.
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raldiMay 19, 2010
+14
Yeah, but they usually change it back once they notice. :(
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gfixlerMay 19, 2010
+5
I'd be happy to patch up this issue for you. Just give me full admin access and a little time. MUWAAHahhaHAhha ahem... Please ignore that last bit. Force of habit.
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davidreiss666May 19, 2010
+1
But I saw this posting right after it was made. And it didn't exist then. That means you Listnook admins have more powers than you are willing to admit too.
Either you can edit the space time continuum or you can edit by brain storage. Either one means you have way more power than any person should be trusted with.
I believe we can safely rule out the other possibility that my brain is defective or that I drink too much. As I am perfect. You really are aliens!
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HexodamMay 19, 2010
+4
Awesome! :D, do you think this is "production" ready?
Mean, could I setup my own mini variation of listnook using the vm?
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ketralnisMay 19, 2010
+9
> do you think this is "production" ready?
Err, you tell me? That's the code running listnook.com as of this morning.
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GeoAtreidesMay 19, 2010
+31
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orengMay 19, 2010
+8
So "no"?
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HexodamMay 19, 2010
+1
hehe true true
But is reddid then built around one type of building blocks? as in can I cluster two or more vm's together to scale it?
bahh who cares, this is awesome :D
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+49
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IcedPenguinMay 19, 2010
+3
This is primarily for development. If you find a bug, this will allow you to easily test the fix on a working system.
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InAFewWordsMay 20, 2010
+2
>easily test the fix on a working system.
for who? You probably don't mean me.
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UnclemeowMay 20, 2010
+1
What makes this different than installing this on your own webserver. It's for people without the access or resources for that?
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jedbergMay 20, 2010
+4
Installing listnook is fairly complicated, so we released this VM to make it so developers don't have to worry about that anymore.
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db2May 20, 2010
+1
Don't take this the wrong way, but wouldn't it make more sense to make installing listnook less complicated?
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jedbergMay 21, 2010
+2
Don't worry, it's a perfectly valid quesiton. listnook is complicated because it is a complex system requiring a lot of parts. To make it simpler, we would have to implement things that others have already implemented. Also, since we already have a master image, it wouldn't make things any easier for us.
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+7
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youngturkMay 19, 2010
+25
how i get this 2 run on my iphone
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d-cupMay 20, 2010
+25
*Q: How do you know someone has an iPhone?*
###A:THEY WILL TELL YOU###
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pavsMay 20, 2010
+4
I have an iPhone.
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+3
The best part is, we can still listnook now, when listnook is down, at blazing fast speed. Locally... alone. aww, Now I am depressed!
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Cee-JayMay 20, 2010
+3
So the best part is the worst part?
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[deleted]May 20, 2010
+8
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thesnarkyoneMay 20, 2010
+3
I would sooo love to do this, but I'd have to fill up /r/gonewild with pics of myself.
Probably not a good idea
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echochamberMay 19, 2010
+6
What's next? Are you going to visit my server rack and install Listnook for me?
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+16
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phireMay 20, 2010
+1
This is a bit of a side track, but you should be able to help me.
One of the disadvantages of living in New Zealand is that we are on the edge of the internet, it takes at least 200ms to get to America, where most websites are hosted. Because of this my ISP has setup a transparent caching proxy, which intercepts all connections on port 80.
It works most of the time and it does make browsing the internet faster,
but it has a number of bugs like caching things that shouldn't be cached.
I would like to track down one of the bugs, so I can make a reproducible example and report it to my ISP, because just complaining that the caching server is broken is a waste of time.
Back when listnook went into read-only mode, I had no problems accessing the site but as soon as you re-enabled writing (and somebody on the irc channel pointed that out) I tried to load listnook and it just wouldn't load.
I kept getting empty responses from the caching server with absolutely no error messages. I checked an no-one else was having any problems loading listnook.
I'm wondering if you have any idea what response (or lack of response) listnook is sending back to cause my ISP's caching proxy to freak out like that. I assume that listnook was under high load at the time due to the caches being empty.
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wickedMay 20, 2010
+1
Those empty pages may have had a cache expiry time in the future. The proxy should then serve the empty pages without error until they expire.
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phireMay 20, 2010
+1
That could be it. But I get the same problem randomly at other times on other websites. A refresh usually fixes it straight away.
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chub79May 20, 2010
+3
why people keep putting TLDR at the bottom of their page?
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jedbergMay 20, 2010
+2
For the lazy folk. Also, it's easier than writing a conclusion.
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AmazingSycoMay 19, 2010
+4
This is fantastic, thanks! I'm working on an iPad app which talks to Listnook, this should hopefully make it easier for me to explore new APIs and to better handle error scenarios.
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RedDragonsMay 19, 2010
+9
This elusive software exists, it is called a web browser.
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AmazingSycoMay 19, 2010
+3
Listnook on the desktop works so well because of the awesomeness of tabbed browsing. On the desktop, I can command-click 15 links and have them all ready and waiting for me. iPad/iPhone only allow you a handful of tabs, and switching tabs has a heavy contextual burden.
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+3
Protip: middle clicking requires one less action.
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skMedMay 19, 2010
+2
Great job guys - thanks for the VM. I think this is going to save a lot of us time in setting things up properly.
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SeanGonzoMay 19, 2010
+3
Whenever I see the word daemons I still think of Doom
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rebelMay 19, 2010
+1
Thank you. I wish more projects did this. It's sooo much easier to boot a pre-configured xen instance then build an entire development environment on a dedicated machine or instance on my home cloud system...
Oh, wait, it's VMWare image. Those have to be converted first.
Can you consider using Xen images?
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su-highMay 19, 2010
+3
Thank you !!
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Cee-JayMay 20, 2010
+6
Bearing in mind that I did absolutely nothing to warrant your thanks, I'll simply offer you a kind "You're welcome" and move on to take credit for other tasks I have had no hand in.
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shootaMay 19, 2010
+4
why VMWare images? VirtualBox is free and I think vastly superior to VMWare.
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Lurking_GrueMay 19, 2010
+7
There is a virtual box bare metal hypervisor now?
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YazarsMay 20, 2010
+1
Argh, I just installed Listnook this weekend! It's too soon to upgrade...or is it? Besides the blog post, is there a changelog somewhere that goes into more detail about the changes?
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jedbergMay 20, 2010
+1
You'll at least want to pull the code from the public repo, because your code from this weekend is 6 months out of date.
Check out [github](http://github.com/listnook/listnook/commits/master) for the changelogs.
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[deleted]May 19, 2010
+4
Admins never do what you want? Too bad, fix it yourself! *rolls in piles of money while posting ads flipping off the userbase*
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jedbergMay 19, 2010
+5
I wish we made enough money to roll in it... That would be awesome.
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t0ny7May 19, 2010
+3
What if you exchange all your money for pennies?
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jedbergMay 20, 2010
+4
A) That would hurt
B) I still don't think we could fill a swimming pool.
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FunnyMan3595May 20, 2010
+9
Based on wikipedia's dimensions (19.05 mm diameter, 1.55 mm high) and the packing efficiency of circles on a sufficiently large plane (about 90%), each penny will fill roughly 0.5 ml of space.
Now, let's take April's bandwidth costs ($2,358.26), extrapolate to a full year (x12), and cash that out in pennies (2,829,912).
After doing this, you will have approximately 1.4 m^3 of pennies. Assuming you're happy with a two-foot-deep pool, that will fill about a five-foot square, or one tile in D&D.
Not particularly impressive, and not really enough to be called a "swimming pool". "Hot tub", maybe.
If we assume you want to fill an Olympic-size swimming pool (50m x 25m x 2 m), you will need about $50 million in pennies.
Oh, and you'd better make sure the pool is sturdy, because it'll weigh 12.5 million kg, or about 14,000 tons. (For reference, the same volume of water weighs "just" 2.5 million kg, or about 2,800 tons.)
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