The Banal Horror of Jimmy Fallon: Under the sterile blue lights of his studio, Fallon laughs endlessly at the same pseudo-jokes, rubs elbows with Trump and Sam Altman, and ushers in the death of culture.
Jimmy Fallon is if a focus group designed a person and they had to make a lot of compromises with one another and nobody really ended up thrilled with the result
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psimwork2 days ago
+1329
The way I look at it, he took over for Leno. Leno's bread-and-butter was boomers, and he knew it. I have zero doubt that on his way out the door, he basically told Fallon, "keep the boomers happy, and you'll never be out of work."
If you take that context into mind, basically everything Fallon does on his show starts to make sense.
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Dickgivins2 days ago
+432
Sounds perfectly logical. My boomer aunt loves him.
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Ohjeezrick932 days ago
+359
He’s just incredibly inoffensive which the older generations tend to like.
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BeholdtheWretch2 days ago
+259
Wish they did that politically
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ProofJournalist2 days ago
+180
They do. Fallon's inoffensiveness is one that does not force them to be introspective, just like their politics.
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quadriceritops1 day ago
+57
Fallon sucks, Colbert is my guy.
We went through Johnny Carson. So we know bullshit stand up. Younger generations haven’t.
So genz and gen x are obfuscating.
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Azidamadjida1 day ago
+40
Barely anybody under a certain age watches late night shows anyway, and absolutely NOBODY under the oldest Gen X watches Fallon - they may check out Colbert or John Oliver or Jimmy Kimmel, but nobody under 50 watches Fallon
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Ok_Requirement_31622 days ago
+166
In all fairness, with all the cord cutters out there it's mostly boomers that are watching network tv these days. I dont think Ive had network tv for over 15 years.
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hex___appeal2 days ago
+63
I haven't had cable TV in about 15 years but broadcast tv is free with a $20 antenna, a lot of/most cordcutters have access to at least the big 4 networks.
Granted, I use the antenna exclusively for football games.
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BrambleWitch2 days ago
+49
I'm a boomer and I can't stand him. He is a terrible host.
49
MajesticCentaur2 days ago
+211
Jimmy Fallon would be a great mascot for Greendale Community College.
211
RickFletching2 days ago
+159
Wow, you’re just going to throw away both the Human Being AND Luis Guzmán??
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coolpapa22822 days ago
+137
> Luis Guzmán
I loved him in...IMDB
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hex___appeal2 days ago
+42
That was tragic.
42
lostlittletimeonthis2 days ago
+19
Does anyone know how to get a possum out of my office ?
19
2BFaaaaaair2 days ago
+28
Don’t forget the “e pluribus a***” flag.
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Throwawaylikeme902 days ago
+9
Luis Guzman got laid like *craaaaazy.*
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Familiar-Lab22761 day ago
+8
And that was before Boogie Nights!
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jimbojangles19872 days ago
+10
Hellooo, Greendaaallle, it's meeee, Luis *GUZMANNN*
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MajesticCentaur2 days ago
+19
I apologize to Luis but let's be real, the Human Being was streets behind.
19
n1klaus2 days ago
+27
Pop POP
27
DrFaustPhD2 days ago
+63
To me, Jimmy Fallon will always be that guy on SNL that couldn't stay in character for more than 90 seconds without giggling like a fanboy
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BrickGun2 days ago
+41
> had to make a lot of compromises
"A good compromise is one where none of the parties involved walk away happy"
I'm assuming this means no one who interacts with Fallon ever walks away happy.
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imadragonyouguys2 days ago
+2084
To quote the famous drunk Mike Stoklasa, "Jimmy Fallon? The only thing he should host is a parasite!'
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Jcdoco2 days ago
+492
Drunk Mike Stoklasa is redundant
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Drawemazing2 days ago
+325
No no, they were calling him a famous drunk. As in an honorific
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CourierEight2 days ago
+61
Part of a grand and glorious tradition of famous drunks, as it were,
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I_Do_Not_Abbreviate2 days ago
+43
Hemingway, Churchill, Thompson...Stoklasa
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ThePrussianGrippe2 days ago
+11
All with equal contributions to humankind.
11
Supermunch20002 days ago
+11
Maybe, but which of those esteemed gentlemen introduced us the the force of nature know as Rich "Rich Evans" Evans?
11
FauxFoxx892 days ago
+90
Ba-ba-baap! Look at meee
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imadragonyouguys2 days ago
+63
WHAAAAT?!
63
newveganwhodis2 days ago
+31
God i love how much of a meme that became. Josh's impression of Mike was so spot on and hilarious. I want full movie commentaries with him doing that impression
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imadragonyouguys2 days ago
+6
Someone put the full commentary of Spoopies from High on Life 2 on YouTube. The whole thing is fulla grim reapers.
6
TraditionalGas17702 days ago
+19
RLM is so f****** funny
19
Flecca2 days ago
+93
A parasite hosting a parasite? Boy, is that rich! Rich Evans.
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Dallywack3r2 days ago
+50
I wonder who’s more drunk. Fallon every night or Mike during the Halloween shows
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Sthurlangue2 days ago
+26
That one was legendarily drunken. Probably the last good and drunk ep.
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R0TTENART2 days ago
+15
I think Jay got good and toasted either last year or the year before.
15
LipstickCoverMagnet2 days ago
+60
That's right, Jay! God I love when RLM shows up in the wild hahaha
60
James_Mamsy2 days ago
+49
Not to be confused with common hack sober Mike Stoklasa
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Ponnx2 days ago
+15
Any chance you remember which episode this is from?
15
imadragonyouguys2 days ago
+18
Botw 37
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Ponnx2 days ago
+20
VERY cool
20
Gigaton2 days ago
+24
I always said the only person Jimmy Fallon ever made laugh was Jimmy Fallon.
24
ibiacmbyww2 days ago
+100
I'm not an American, but I do enjoy your late night TV, and I politely disagree.
In another universe, James Fallon is an LA local news reporter and probably the funniest guy in his office. The biggest scoop of his career was interviewing Eminem after Relapse came out. He is happy, and rich, and famous enough to get a free coffee out of it once in a while.
In our universe he Peter Principle'd himself into a position where his shortcomings would be scrutinised by millions. He doesn't seem to be a particularly bad person, and he _is_ good at (American-style) interviews, but he's no Parkinson, he's a talented semi-pro who's somehow playing the Superbowl 5 nights a week. Hell, not even the Superbowl, Wrestlemania, since it's all choreographed and artificial.
Worse, I think he knows it, so he retreats creatively, letting the public perception of him win, and has hidden away in a bottle. Can't say I blame him, it's hard to have self-respect when you're constantly and unfairly being compared to the Michael Jordan of your profession.
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AlphaGoldblum2 days ago
+61
I'd push back that a lot of the criticism aimed at Fallon is due to him willingly being a blank-faced corporate stooge who brings no color to the art. Yes, helping a celebrity promote their movie is part of the gig - but Fallon slaps on flashing neon lights, a wide grin, and pretends that the current celebrity guest is an auteur about to blow up the industry even if it's The Rock promoting another middling action movie.
I think the most egregious example of his complicity was him trying to hype up Paris Hilton's monkey NFT while the crowd was simply not having it. It led to one of the most subtly demented moments in late night TV where Fallon is acting like he just saw god and the audience is whisper quiet.
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Abba_Fiskbullar2 days ago
+29
I listened to the Strike Force Five podcasts during the last writers strike, and it was so fun to listen to 4 intelligent comedy geniuses riffing off of each other with little Jimmy Fallon way off on the side occasionally dropping the dumbest take.
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CharacterLimitHasBee2 days ago
+6
Those podcasts proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fallon's writing staff are the hardest working people in the entertainment industry.
6
NuclearTurtle2 days ago
+6
> In another universe, James Fallon is an LA local news reporter and probably the funniest guy in his office.
This is the most accurate description of him, either in this thread or the original article. He's funny, but he's funny in the same way the actress playing the frumpy best friend in a romcom is probably the prettiest woman from her hometown. He's fine on his own until you put him up next to Will Ferrell or Conan O'Brien and judge him by those standards
6
Jaded_Taste66851 day ago
+5
Jimmy Fallon’s intestinal parasite; what’s HIS story?
5
JoshDM2 days ago
+7
> To quote the famous drunk Mike Stoklasa, "bahp bah bah, look at me, whaaat?"
ftfy
7
notathrowaway752 days ago
+1296
>Tellingly, Donald Trump has called for the firing of almost all of the other late night hosts—Colbert, Kimmel, even Seth Meyers—but excluded Fallon from his hit-list
First of all, the wording is weird. "Even" Seth Meyers? Like he's some apolitical guy caught in the crossfire? No, he actively talks about and criticizes Trump all the time.
Second, this is not true. Trump has called for Jimmy to be fired.
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ObviousAnswerGuy2 days ago
+328
yea, this whole article is pretty weird tbh. Yes, Fallon isn't critical like the other late night hosts, but he still makes fun of Trump all the time. And as a person who hates Trump with a passion, I'm not sure why this author thinks it's Fallon's responsibility to fill that role. The whole criticism of him in this is just low-hanging fruit.
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favorite_time_of_day2 days ago
+51
> I'm not sure why this author thinks it's Fallon's responsibility to fill that role.
Did you read the article? There's a picture of the Fallon hair ruffle right there. That interview from 2016 is the reason why people criticize Fallon. Ten years now.
It's funny how that works, you give people one reason to hate and they will find others. Flaws which would otherwise be overlooked are now held up as proof that your hatred is justified. It snowballs, and it never really goes away.
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JDDJS2 days ago
+87
Seth Meyers jokes at the Correspondents Dinner are allegedly what got Trump to run in the first place.
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TurloIsOK2 days ago
+128
Obama humiliating him at the Correspondents Dinner is a more likely reason. While Obama was taunting trump about being inconsequential, the mission to take out Bin Laden was ready.
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delayedkarma2 days ago
+26
Same dinner, so definitely a one two punch of Meyers setting it up and Obama coming in for the kill
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AnotherpostCard1 day ago
+14
And back then we weren't all so intimately familiar with Trump's mood swings/triggers.
Humiliation into oblivion used to work!
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phantombrick222 days ago
+23
I thought it was because of Obama and his now infamous “at least I’ll go down as a president” comment
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Talqazar2 days ago
+7
No that was long after Trump decided to run
7
MexusRex2 days ago
+37
What a worthless and poorly researched hit piece. This author is trying to preach to the choir, not inform or analyze.
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MorganWick2 days ago
+6
I think the "even" is meant to imply that you'd normally expect Seth to be beneath his notice, not that that's true either.
6
javalorum2 days ago
+30
Not to mention Meyers has the best Trump impression out of all of them
30
The_Velvet_Bulldozer2 days ago
+23
"Mel, did you see they're talking about me on listnook?......Mel??" The Lindsey Graham MeMaw stuff is always great too.
23
MC_Kraken2 days ago
+160
I love Seth Meyers but let’s be real sometimes I forget he has a show.
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razorwiregoatlick8772 days ago
+175
I’m being real when I say he is the best of the late night host to me.
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Accomplished_Guava_72 days ago
+34
His Closer Look segments are always on point
34
Maskatron2 days ago
+8
They always tie it up so nice with a callback clip.
I love Surprise Inspection too. I legitimately laughed out loud at the “they urned it” punchline last week.
8
StorageSafe69342 days ago
+57
It's all been downhill since Craig Ferguson retired
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blurrylulu2 days ago
+14
I miss Craig and Geoff.
14
DoomPurveyor2 days ago
+13
Yeah Seth is top tier in my books. I'll laugh more in 1-2 closer look segments than I have ever laughed at Kimmel or Fallon in my entire life.
13
Andrew2252 days ago
+56
Huh
Yeah I watch most of the monologues every day and Seth is by far my favorite of the late night guys
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BioEradication2 days ago
+13
Ole DonnyT says a lot of stuff.
13
gugliata2 days ago
+25
As a member of the Quaid Army, I can legally say that Seth’s jokes at the correspondents dinner caused the current mess that we’re in
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HardcoreKaraoke2 days ago
+16
Righteous kill.
16
kiyonemakibi1002 days ago
+2318
Slagging off Jimmy Fallon? They're really going after the sacred cows with this one!
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WillemDafoesHugeCock2 days ago
+968
I'm just glad to see someone *finally* call out his forced laughing!
>Old stone-faced Fallon... There was a rule in showbusiness that if you got a laugh from old Jimmy Fallon, then by God you earned it.
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LearningT0Fly2 days ago
+199
Lol, I haven't ever heard this before but knew immediately this was some shit Norm (RIP) said.
199
Bluest_waters2 days ago
+56
Yep, absolutely love it. You know a norm joke when you see one
56
kit_kat_jam2 days ago
+20
Any quote that contains "by god" is most likely a Norm
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[deleted]2 days ago
+209
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WillemDafoesHugeCock2 days ago
+357
I won't lie to you mate, Norm MacDonald quote aside, the suggestion that Fallon is known for anything *except* laughing his head off at the slightest provocation is so impossibly absurd that I truly believed an /s tag would be unwarranted.
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DuckInTheFog2 days ago
+44
I'm wonder now if it's a bit of an act and behind the scenes he doesn't laugh. I never really watched him - Kimmel, Colbert and Meyers
44
NiceBeaver20182 days ago
+64
Supposedly his on-air persona is like a programmed robot compared to his actual personality.
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NotAlanShapiro2 days ago
+58
He used to drink a loooot. Real benders. Zach Cregger has a story about how they accidentally got into a real honest-to-god fight a few years ago.
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Maddie-Moo2 days ago
+9
Used to?
9
Chris_HitTheOver2 days ago
+6
Still does, but he used do *too*.
6
brooklynbotz2 days ago
+14
And coke to go along with it.
14
rezin1112 days ago
+18
If you drink a ton and need to look bright and cheery five nights a week, you gotta
18
grokdit2 days ago
+43
Hearing Howard Stern describe Jimmy makes it sounds like a nightmare to hang with him. He brings a bluetooth speaker everywhere with him and is always putting on music and singing. yuck.
43
Illustrious-Virus8832 days ago
+7
No I think he’s famously a drunk
7
HosbnBolt2 days ago
+64
Sounds like Norm?
64
MysterWrecked2 days ago
+41
It's the "by God".
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Sequitur12 days ago
+97
Fallon has always been awful and I'm still baffled people watch him
97
TimWhatleyDDS2 days ago
+368
I completely agree attacking Fallon is like shooting fish a barrel, but I found the article enjoyable to read nonetheless.
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rolled_up_rug2 days ago
+71
It’s like being anywhere near a barrel.
71
trustmeep2 days ago
+58
Well...except for a barrel of laughs...
58
lanceturley2 days ago
+12
Congratulations, with that joke you are officially funnier than Jimmy Fallon.
Have you thought about hosting The Tonight Show?
12
Ok-Wolf59322 days ago
+38
Was gonna say, had to make sure I hadn't time travelled back to 2016.
38
Troelski2 days ago
+464
This reads like a high school essay by someone who's just discovered class consciousness and LLMs at the same time.
>These games are not true “play” in the ***revolutionary*** sense of the word, wherein games are unscripted, free, and disruptive. Instead, they represent the total commodification of play.
What revolutionary sense of the word 'play'? Is there Marxist praxis on 'play'? What does this mean?
>In a cultural landscape dominated by the attention economy and defined by precarious labor and existential dread, **Fallon presents play not as an escape from work, but as an obligatory task that must be performed, a contractual obligation to a marketing team**.
This is a buzzword salad that's saying very close to nothing. The performative 'play' on Fallon's show is not categorically different than the play on other late night shows, it's just less convincing. But what on earth does it mean that Fallon 'presents' play as an obligatory task to be performed? Presents to whom? And why would he have a *contractual obligation* to the ***marketing team***? These are just a bunch of words thrown around that requires you to squint your eyes into slits to make them make sense.
>He recently joined [forces ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBdkNWh8-6o)with the soulless monstrosity that is State Farm to shill their insurance, and in a great detail, their ad highlights that you don’t actually need to tell a joke for Jimmy to appear. You just need to say the word “joking” to summon him like a c**** simulacra of Bloody Mary or Candyman. Advertising Fallon is indistinguishable from him on the show—after all, he’s doing exactly the same thing.
What? Why would Fallon appear by you *telling a joke...*? That's not the premise of the ad? "You don't actually need to tell a joke for Jimmy to appear..." Is this AI? I feel like I'm losing my mind reading this.
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RecordingSilly61182 days ago
+206
>This reads like a high school essay by someone who's just discovered class consciousness and LLMs at the same time.
Exactly, it's absolutely horrible writing.
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jubbergun2 days ago
+17
It's like someone said, "Tell me you huff your own farts without actually saying 'I huff my own farts,'" and the author took it as a challenge.
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starkiller_bass2 days ago
+15
It... insists upon itself.
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DivineMackerel2 days ago
+77
Wait? You're telling me games on talk shows aren't true sport? Oh the humanity!
>but as an obligatory task that must be performed, a contractual obligation to a marketing team.
I'm assuming the author is just being intellectually dishonest, and isn't so chronically stupid as to make a flat earther look like Ken Jennings. Because those are really the only two options if you are going to act like celebrities are appearing on talk shows for reasons other than MARKETING a movie or business venture.
Edit removed an accidental double negative
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EagleCatchingFish1 day ago
+6
If they tell me that the celebrities on Graham Norton aren't just having a delightful cocktail party and that the celebrity's PR people fed Norton the stories ahead of time... I don't know what I'm gonna do. I believe that what happens on late night tv is purely without artiface. If I can't believe that anymore, what can I believe in?
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FeetballFan2 days ago
+51
Yep. And this sub will eat it up happily.
51
SwordfishOk5042 days ago
+15
*uShErS iN tHe DeAtH oF cUltUrE.*
Save us, ghost of Johnny Carson!, you're our only hope!
15
acabincludescolumbo2 days ago
+14
I would watch/read someone dissecting pseudo-intellectual babble like this with great enjoyment.
14
TricolorStar1 day ago
+10
The instant I saw "banal horror" I knew we were in for an absolute slopfest lol
10
Flexhead2 days ago
+118
Isn't Current Affairs the Socialist magazine whose owner fired the entire staff when they wanted to Unionize?
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danny_healy_raygun2 days ago
+34
Yeah that dope who dresses like a dandy.
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not_your_pal2 days ago
+15
No. They wanted to form a worker co-op.
15
Flexhead2 days ago
+39
ah, something more socialist than a union. Makes it worse.
39
ChuckGreenwald2 days ago
+777
You keep calling Jimmy Fallon banal like he didn't make the conscious decision to be banal and like it hasn't paid off immeasurably for him.
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djtrace19942 days ago
+97
That... that's the whole point of the article...
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GameJerk2 days ago
+81
Uhhh I'm a listnookor. I didn't _read_ the article. I'm just here for the comments and to add nothing to the conversation.
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snotnosedlittlepunk2 days ago
+6
Thank you for your service.
6
CubeEarthShill2 days ago
+16
People take it easy on Leno, but most of his humor revolved around nyuk nyuk jokes that were predictable. Fallon’s jokes are on the same level, but he gets dumped on way harder because he’s got a more annoying personality. For me, Letterman and Conan were the only interesting late night guys, post Carson.
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ChuckGreenwald2 days ago
+14
Jay Leno was also kind of a prick, too, so it's amazing he doesn't get more heat.
I stopped watching talk show TV after Conan left and if everyone did that, too, they'd be happy.
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sexygodzilla2 days ago
+9
I hate to give him credit but Leno had much better delivery from his background as a standup and having the energy of someone who wanted to be there. Fallon just looks dead inside whereas you knew Leno lived for that show. This is the guy who backstabbed multiple people to get that spot whereas Fallon is just one of Lorne's golden boys who was shepherded to that position after his acting career floundered.
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formerPhillyguy2 days ago
+6
I got sick of Leno repeating the punchline two or three tiimes.
6
wagon_ear2 days ago
+114
Well of course he did - as did many others - but the outcome is the same. For example, alongside some "true believers", the Trump administration is full of people who know exactly what they're doing and simply do not care, because they want the money and influence.
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Konet2 days ago
+172
Comparing a milquetoast late night host to people literally working for the Trump administration is ridiculous.
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wagon_ear2 days ago
+70
Well look at the headline of the article! Trump is literally mentioned by name. The author explicitly and intentionally makes that comparison.
That's exactly what the thesis of the article is: that Fallon tolerates the evils of the world (for example Donald Trump) in exchange for a paycheck.
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notathrowaway752 days ago
+55
It's a terrible comparison.
>that Fallon tolerates the evils of the world (for example Donald Trump)
No he doesn't. Fallon criticizes Trump all the time. Trump has called for Fallon's firing.
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WeWantLADDER49sequel2 days ago
+32
A light night talk show host is "tolerating the evils of the world" just as much as the other late night hosts who bash Trump every day. Might as well go bash the people stocking the shelves at a nearby Kroger for tolerating the evils of society too.
32
LordJelly2 days ago
+19
When Listnookors discover outside exists Kroger employees will be first against the wall for sure
19
funnyteg2 days ago
+35
Whenever a person from another country slams the late night talk shows in the U.S. I read them and more often than not it confirms my thoughts that person really doesn't know anything about the U.S. So their critique really has no relevance.
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followmarko2 days ago
+11
So pretty much what happens every day on listnook
11
MurkySweater442 days ago
+15
How original and bold. What are you gonna tell me next, that pineapple doesn’t belong on pizza or you don’t like sitcom laugh tracks?
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TraditionalGas17702 days ago
+128
"death of culture" ? Now that's hyperbolic even for a clickbait
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Dairy_Ashford2 days ago
+5
and probably somehwat misplaced after a quarter century of prime time, broadcast reality television
5
IAmJustAVirus2 days ago
+38
No one with an IQ above 80 takes this publication seriously.
38
takenorinvalid2 days ago
+69
In other news, Jimmy Fallon sleeping with Current Affairs editor's wife.
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thegooniegodard2 days ago
+25
And he just ruined Survivor!
25
ObiWanNowitzki2 days ago
+6
I’m very disappointed in Jimmy this week. And we got another Jimmy next week to worry about.
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TheDadThatGrills2 days ago
+287
I'm no fan of Fallon but after reading this article, I honestly have a little more sympathy for the man. If we ignore the insufferable prose, this is simply a long rant against Fallon that doesn't add anything we haven't heard 100x before.
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notathrowaway752 days ago
+81
It also gets things blatantly wrong.
>Tellingly, Donald Trump has called for the firing of almost all of the other late night hosts—Colbert, Kimmel, even Seth Meyers—but excluded Fallon from his hit-list
Completely wrong.
""That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers, on Fake News NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC!!!""
Also Jimmy platformed Trump 10 f****** years ago on the campaign trail.
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stuff71 day ago
+12
the fact that i had to scroll all the way down to see a lie in the article being corrected shows that the top comments of listnook are just one liners made to circle jerk base on headline.
shameful of the media outlet current affair to publish literal fake news and also shame on most of the listnookors itt.
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quangtran2 days ago
+135
I feel like articles like these actually worsen the cause, because it makes the left seem easily triggered and overdramatic. Fallon's banal style is a holdover from the Letterman and Leno years when politics wasn't treated as a constant culture battle.
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ZombyPuppy2 days ago
+61
Anyone who isn't constantly attacking Trump nonstop is explicitly supporting him per many listnookors. I f****** hate Trump and most of the GOP but Jesus Christ what is wrong with people that they can't take a sliver of time out of their day to actually enjoy their life or talk to people you have profound political disagreements with as regular people from time to time.
Christ in WWII when thousands of Americans were actually dying every day to fight a global threat, they still had time to make art and find moments of levity unrelated to the shit they were dealing with on a daily basis, and no that didn't mean they weren't acutely aware of what was going on in the world. These people are on the opposite end, but right next to each other on the horseshoe of super religious zealots that think they can't listen to any music that doesn't involve worshiping God.
The same thing happened to Colbert. I love the guy and think he's funny as shit and a really nice person. But good lord it was exhausting hearing the 500th Trump joke of the week. And no I'm not ignoring Trump. I'm a poly sci news junky that is involved in politics and takes action for things I believe in, much Trump is staunchly against, but if you can't carve a moment for yourself out at 11:00pm to unplug from it a bit and take a break from politics you're either a lifeless zealot or are going to burn yourself out.
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GroovyYaYa2 days ago
+23
This. Fallon was NEVER edgy. He was the SNL guy almost guaranteed to start giggling mid character. He's the fanboy of every guest, no matter how rediculous.
He also touched Trump's hair in what 2015? Wasn't he still an NBC employee then through the Apprentice? To think that JF thought we'd be where we are now is crazy... when there were actual political pundits telling us that Hillary was crazy with her list of "things he'll do in office".
Also, Jimmy HAS done some political jokes against Trump.
I also hear you about needing a break. Needing to unplug. This mentality that if you do that you really don't care is bullshit. Self care is a thing and it is important, and I agree with you 100% on the horseshoe theory. I think of the Depression and WWII. Movies and radio shows didn't just focus on the horrors... some of the most popular acts were The Three Stooges and Shirley Temple!
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UnquestionabIe2 days ago
+9
Right there with you on pretty much everything going you stated here, especially the Colbert stuff being overbearing (and his impression makes me cringe extremely hard with how often he does it). I've got a lot of Fallon complaints but none of them centered on politics.
9
whorificustotalus2 days ago
+38
Yeah, I truly don't understand why we're getting this article now. It's like the writer woke up one day and personally decided to cancel Fallon? Just bizarre.
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somebodysbuddy2 days ago
+6
The author probably watched Survivor last night and got really upset with Jimmy Fallon.
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Troelski2 days ago
+34
It's genuinely a terribly written article that feels like it was supposed to have been published ten years ago, and they just...forgot? And I say that as someone who cannot stand Fallon.
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PlayMp12 days ago
+14
Current Affairs kind of has a neverending 2016-17 vibe overall, been the case for a long time
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ZPTs2 days ago
+20
Right? Nobody else enabled, platformed, and encouraged Trump? Fallon used 1990s gloves to handle candidate Trump and that was dumb but not causal of his ascendance.
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GetHighWatchMovies2 days ago
+12
Plus their criticism is that he has on shitty people as guests and fake laughs? That describes every late night host ever. People just don't like Fallon's particular brand of hosting, and I don't disagree, but making it a moral issue is very silly.
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FrackingToasters2 days ago
+10
I'm no lover of Fallon, but has an article ever been so long to say so little? It's getting cliché to say at this point, but I feel like this wasn't written by a human at all.
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mista_rubetastic2 days ago
+267
The Roots deserve so much better.
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Guerillabasketball2 days ago
+257
They gotta want it for themselves, they been shamelessly cashing that check for years now.
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ViolentInbredPelican2 days ago
+142
Yeah don’t feel bad for them, they got a shit ton of money out of it.
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Hankskiibro2 days ago
+38
Their music was also pretty consistently great for the first 6 years of his show (the first late night one). They were well-practiced, tight, and creative. Then they wanted to do other things while having a steady job. Seems like a dream
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anuncommontruth2 days ago
+68
Yeah at one point Questlove was the semi official mascot of my bank, lol. I mean I love the Roots but they chose this path.
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ceelogreenicanth2 days ago
+11
They shall proceed to continue to cash that check...
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Arch__Stanton2 days ago
+10
They’re still out there recording and performing, they just also cash fat easy checks from their tv gig
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SuperStano2 days ago
+56
I absolutely love The Roots, but then I remember they’re also Fallon’s house band, and my brain just has to completely compartmentalize it.
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that this legendary hip hop group is the same band playing walk on music for Tonight Show guests.
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_Z_E_R_O2 days ago
+37
Seems like a great gig for an artist, honestly.
You have a hefty, steady paycheck. Guaranteed work for the next decade. Built-in name and face recognition because you're on TV. Free marketing for your solo projects. Part-time hours with predictable, scripted performances. No requirement for high-volume creative output. Built-in vacations throughout the year.
This is better than a record deal and way less demanding than going on tour. I'd imagine they're pretty happy with the arrangement.
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3FtDick2 days ago
+15
Exactly how I've always felt about it. It's a great example of how excellent you have to be in order to get to play second fiddle to a vanilla wafer.
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GoldenPubes2 days ago
+5
Can’t fault the roots for taking a steady paycheck. They toured last year and absolutely killed it - one of the best hip-hop shows I’ve seen
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TheOliveYeti2 days ago
+33
They have a stable gig and make good money. How awful for them :(
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CurrentCostanza2 days ago
+8
Hating Jimmy Fallon this much is almost as weird as liking Jimmy Fallon
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CharlieRosesBoogerz2 days ago
+9
The Banal Writing of Jon Greenaway: Under the sterile guise of an exposé, Greenaway writes endlessly about the same criticisms said about Jimmy Fallon for the past 20 years
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joethetipper2 days ago
+54
It’s fine to not like Fallon but “death of culture”? Gimme a break.
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KB_Sez2 days ago
+7
Fallon is seriously unfunny.
Everything has to be about him. You look at Carson and what he would do is let the guests start talking and he would sit back and let them, Fallon cannot let anyone talk for more than a few seconds without having to interject his comment in his attempted humor.
Fallon is a guy with more friends than talent
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the_nintendo_cop2 days ago
+7
This reads like somebody who is severely mentally ill putting way too much stock into a late night show
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Kalse12292 days ago
+7
I mean, I'm not exactly a fan, but saying he "ushers in the death of culture" is a bit of hyperbole.
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Feeling_Sector_47262 days ago
+6
Going at Jimmy is easy. The article would have been much more interesting if it had gone after The Tonight Show itself. It has always been this way.
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buttchugreferee2 days ago
+5
I don't care for Jimmy Fallon a ounce, but my friend worked with him once, and I thought it was an interesting story.
My friend was a stage manager for some show that Jimmy was headlining. My friend draws a lot of comic book type art and was working on something in his sketchbook backstage.
He said that Jimmy came up to him and started talking about comics, and he genuinely seemed like he didn't want to go on stage, he just wanted to hang out and talk about comic books.
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irishwolfbitch2 days ago
+21
Fallon is such a deeply odd figure as we progress further into the 21st century. Anthony Jeselnik has commented in the past about how Fallon is generous and friendly, and every once in a while there are theses strange moments on The Tonight Show where it’s almost like he let out a funny joke by accident.
I met Fallon once outside of a steakhouse with Lorne Michaels, and he seemed to be a genuinely pleasant guy who kinda proactively handles his fame in a cool way. My pals and I were smoking cigarettes after dinner and he was waiting for a black cab, and he said hi to us first! We talked about how great dinner at the steakhouse was and he and Lorne smiled and chatted and then left. It was so weird and seeing articles like this makes me just think it’s all even weirder.
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Franky_Tops2 days ago
+8
I started watching clips of the late night monologues during COVID, and when Fallon was at home doing his thing, I thought it was surprisingly funny. But when he went back to the studio, I found it to be much less so. It was jarring.
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irishwolfbitch2 days ago
+4
I really can’t tell you how insane it is to think that Fallon might secretly be a pretty funny dude who is also a victim of his own success. He’s the last man standing in late night but he did it by being rather dull. And then there are these moments where I’m like “is this guy actually hilarious?” It’s so weird.
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skoomski2 days ago
+22
The third most popular late night talk show is not the death of culture. Author is unhinged
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alexjimithing2 days ago
+43
If banal late night is representative of the death of culture, then I’m afraid culture died 5/25/92.
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Ned_Sander2 days ago
+42
Nah, Conan was great
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Ok_Requirement_31622 days ago
+8
F*** yeah he was. 90s Conan was the best decade of late night in my opinion.
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Caelinus2 days ago
+6
Late Night is a vehicle for comedic advertising. It is, from its very conception, going to be banal by default. Anything overly transgressive would not be fit to purpose.
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ClarkeBrower2 days ago
+10
Yeah let’s keep dunking on Fallon of all people lol
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SwordfishOk5042 days ago
+5
>ushers in the death of culture.
Might be a tad overdramatic there.
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RaskolnikovsPsyche1 day ago
+6
Fallon wasn’t even funny when he was on SNL.
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Wazula232 days ago
+102
Oh spare me. He's vanilla ice cream. In fact, his blandness is why he's still going "strong" while Colbert and Kimmel are culture war targets.
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nobot43212 days ago
+115
Completely apart from Fallon, why does vanilla ice cream get slandered like this? Vanilla is a flavor! It’s an exotic bean! It’s delicious and makes stuff taste better.
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chunkalicius2 days ago
+49
I've been dying on this hill my entire life. VANILLA IS A FLAVOR. Plain, unflavored, ice cream is called Sweet Cream.
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VerilyShelly2 days ago
+15
Right. I find chocolate ice cream to be much more banal and commonplace
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psimwork2 days ago
+10
Vanilla has something like several thousand flavor compounds in it. Ain't nothing bland about it.
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civiltribe2 days ago
+9
this article sucks.
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mobyte2 days ago
+25
“The death of culture”
You couldn’t be any more overdramatic if you tried.
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basechedford2 days ago
+5
Just got my boy Christian voted off survivor too smh
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CinemaSideBySides2 days ago
+5
Jesus Fuckin' Christ, this couldn't be more Listnook if it tried.
Want to throw in some anti-HOA and 'f*** lawns' material while we're at it? Maybe some Amy Schumer jokes while we're hitting these cultural touchstones at the height of their popularity and relevance?
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NoCountry912 days ago
+4
For someone to usher in the death of culture wouldn’t they have to have more cultural relevance?
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athompsons21 day ago
+4
I can't believe I have to defend Jimmy Fallon but that's a gross exaggeration.
As Jon Stewart said, comedians don't have that kind of power.
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i_can_even_yeah1 day ago
+4
Fallon reminds me of a male version of Ellen DeGeneres.
He seems mean-spirited, conniving, and completely self absorbed.
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