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The Boys has many flaws but I want to praise A-Train's character arc

Posted by Sudden_Pop_2279


Pretty much every character in the series is improved from the comics. But the two biggest examples IMO are A-Train and Soldier Boy. A-Train starts the series running through Hughie's girlfriend Robin Ward. While it was an accident done when he was high on Compound V, we're later shown him laughing it off with a friend. Throughout the rest of the season, we learn other horrible things about him like how he gave Compound V to terrorists and even see him kill his girlfriend Popclaw, even if both of these were done under Homelander's orders and due to pressure than real malice. But when Hughie and Starlight save his life, and he eventually gives them the files on Stormfront at the end of season 2, we start to believe he's coming around. In season 3, he's shown trying to help black people in the community after his brother Nathan tells him about Blue Hawk. Combined with Homelander constantly abusing him, you'd think he's going to redeem himself by helping Starlight and Supersonic, only for him rat the latter out to Homelander. But this isn't a moral event horizon but a moment of regression, just like we see in other good redemption arc's (Zuko, Vegeta). Because when Blue Hawk instead cripples his brother Nathan, and A-Train demands justice, Ashley reminds him of how he had no problem when he got away with HIS crimes. A-Train is able to self-reflect because of this and genuinely apologizes to Hughie. He knows what it feels like now. He kills Blue Hawk, fully expecting it to be the end of him. But then he's brought back, know having the latter's heart. Nathan is disgusted with his actions and kicks him out. And he truly sees how much Homelander doesn't care for him when the latter kills Black Noir only to remind the rest he was worth more than ALL of them put together and he doesn't need them. In season 4, we can see A-Train is changing. He refuses to kill Todd and the other Homelander fans, a far cry from the season 1 A-Train who killed his girlfriend. He helps free the innocent Starlighters with nothing to gain from it. He saves Hughie from Homelander and even gets Compound V so he can save his father despite fully expecting Hughie to never forgive him. And when he saves MM and sees a kid smiling in joy, that's when he realizes how much he likes being a hero. Him exposing himself to save Annie and Butcher and going back for Ashley is a tremendous way of showing his growth. And then we see in Gen V season 2 and season 5 how he's helping Annie in the resistance. Keeping his family safe too. He's finally made amends with his brother. So its >!tragically fitting to see him return to save Hughie and MM, knowing Homelander will target him. When he sees an innocent woman walking across the street, one who looks like Robin, this time A-Train IS running for his life and the woman IS in the middle of the street. But he dodges her, refusing to take another life. Having him stand up to Homelander at the end and laugh in his face was the most badass way he could have gone out.!<

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akselmonrose 6 days ago +687
What was I so afraid of? Man I love that line.
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +393
Anthony Starr said it perfectly; A-Train won in this scene. He died knowing he used his powers to be a real hero. Homelander, on the other hand, knew everything A-Train told him was completely true
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treemu 6 days ago +77
Earlier in the episode Homelander hears the heartbeats of the aides and complains that they are deathly terrified of him when he desperately wants the people's appoval and love. Fast forward to the forest, Homelander has his hand on A-Train's throat the whole time so he has no way to lie to himself that A-Train was lying or bluffing when he showed no fear of him and openly admitted he despised him. I love how this was followed up in the next episode, how Homelander feels so hurt that he had no real power over A-Train's heart. That A-Train would not even feign adoration for a few more seconds to live. That someone who knew him so closely could so bravely and honestly hate him. I know they keep resetting Homelander's snap, but this is honestly a fine last straw.
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Danbito 6 days ago +26
It ties back to the reveal of Homelander’s psychological programming last season: Homelander is designed to so desperately need to please despite his need for power and adoration. This man will terrorize, traumatize and enter a blackmail standoff with Starlight yet will also appreciate that she is there for him seemingly before a heavy interview. The very fact that A-Train without fear and acceptance of his death tells him that he’s an empty person that can’t bully him anymore will haunt him more than whatever many times Deep will give him praise.
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zxyzyxz 5 days ago +1
Plutonian is the comic book version of show Homelander, and I think that comic fleshes out and deconstructs the details of a god-like superhero who so desperately craves attention.
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Doom_Art 5 days ago +7
Plutonian is a completely different series.
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zxyzyxz 5 days ago +4
Yes, I'm saying I find parallels in the characters of both series
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MostlyBored11 6 days ago +154
I was really sad he went out at the start of the season but man what an insanely good way to go. I absolutely loved his character arc and yhe actor really did a good job. And yeah beat death line I've heard in a long time. He might be dead but he won against homelander right thereso good
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Codysseus7 6 days ago +53
Yeah, good guy speedster had to go quick when seemingly the biggest question The Boys had was “how do we get this virus to Homelander” especially with that episode sort of confirming A-Train could outrun Homelander. At least for as long as he did(maybe stamina woulda made him lose eventually)
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MostlyBored11 6 days ago +40
Lol good point. It was nice it didn't feel like a cop out death though just to save the story, like it was a full circle moment I think they handled it well. I also think he was pretty Injured when he was running from homelander so we was slower then usual but I may be misremembering
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Codysseus7 6 days ago +20
I agree with you, but I figured it saved the writers from having to try and justify that “why didn’t they take the eagles?” Argument people would make the whole season. Speedster is my favorite super power The Flash being my favorite hero, but they are just so inherently hard to write around because of their skills. Making A-Trains story less about a foe he could fight and more about himself really worked. Hell, a lot of his redeeming moments with his powers… just work. Literally until he dodges that girl at the end his speed allows him to succeed at everything he does throughout the series besides the heart attack from V abuse.
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InnocentTailor 6 days ago +39
In my opinion, it was an admirable way to not only complete the arc, but also give a middle finger of sorts to the source material - that there is a capacity for good and true heroics in a universe as cynical as The Boys. It costed A-Train his life, but what a way to end it, especially when compared to his comic book counterpart.
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Stev3Cooke 6 days ago +5
What happens in the comic?
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rendar 6 days ago +20
It's not clear what the previous commenter is referring to, because Hughie serves as the moral protagonist in the comics (all The Boys have powers from Compound V in the comics, Temp V is a show-only inclusion). And because A-Train is not really exhibiting any capacity for contrition and reconciliation simply by avoiding another evil thing like you did previously, because it's not the same thing as a synthesis of accountability and restitution. Also Starlight is not nearly so prominent in the comics. One of the predominant themes in the comics is the inherent authoritarian fascism of superheroics (which is vastly diminished in the show's narrative), and the story ends in a way that cannot possibly be adapted in the show now: >!Black Noir is actually a clone of Homelander (who is not nearly so pathetic in the comics), who was created for the purpose of replacing Homelander if he became unstable. This lead to Black Noir secretly subverting Homelander in order to try to force this replacement, including pretending to be Homelander in certain circumstances to try to compromise his position and sanity (like raping Butcher's wife, destroying the plane during Herogasm, creating evidence of atrocities which are used as blackmail by The Boys against Homelander, etc).!< >!At the climax, Homelander executes his plans for a coup with support from a large number of supes, and makes moves to forcibly overtake the White House and Pentagon. The US military (with anti-supe depleted uranium munitions) contends with Homelander's supe forces. Then Black Noir kills Homelander, Butcher kills Black Noir, then Butcher kills MM, Frenchie, the Female, and then Hughie kills Butcher.!<
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Geiseric222 6 days ago +13
Yeah the comic is basically unreadably bad
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rendar 6 days ago +15
It's not bad altogether, there are legitimately effective themes such as the aforementioned authoritarian fascism inherent to the superhero genre, it's just egregiously edgy in the peak 90s-2000s edgelord zone. At the very least, the story in the comics is way more narratively successful than the show's story, which isn't saying very much when they're both pretty lackluster.
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Dead_man_posting 5 days ago +8
That's the internet meme, largely from people who haven't read it. The ending of the comic is masterful. The entire story perfectly builds up to it in a way I haven't ever seen in another long-term serial like that.
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ram921 5 days ago +1
Agreed. I am genuinely impressed on how the show is able to be as good as it is from such absolute trash source material.
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fattestfuckinthewest 6 days ago +17
Hughie kills him after the boys kidnap him as vengeance for A-Train killing Robin and SAing Starlight according to the wiki
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Stev3Cooke 6 days ago +3
Oof
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Deviltherobot 6 days ago +2
>!hugh kills him!<
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Dead_man_posting 5 days ago +2
The comic is about abuse of authority so it makes sense that not too many supes would be reasonable people. There's still Starlight and Maeve though, and of course, Love Sausage (what a downgrade he got in the show.)
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gza101 6 days ago +10
Yeah this crushed homelander. He went out a good man and a G
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gza101 6 days ago +3
On the real though. TV shows aside. We all need some of that courage inside us
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manningthehelm 6 days ago +23
It was a great full circle moment. I hope he is the first of many to realize this.
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ewingking123 6 days ago +268
His ending is so perfect. One of my favorite parts is noone will know he made the right choice in the end. The woman he avoided has no idea she almost died there.
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FZeroDMX 6 days ago +129
I thought that was a nice extension of when he took MM to the hospital and only the one boy saw him and knew he did it. In the end, even if no one else knew, he had proved it to himself that it was in him.
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +42
Its also cool that in season 4, the first two people he saved were Hughie and MM and then in season 5, they're the last two he saved as well.
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +35
Especially knowing the girl looked JUST like Robin, it would've been so cool if Hughie saw that. But even without that, it was cool he defended him to Butcher as having died a real hero and how MM poured his drink out to him
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MostlyBored11 6 days ago +16
Yup he didn't save Hughies GF at the start but he saved that random womanm such a good full circle moment and the moment he realizes what being a real hero means. 10/10 redemption
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slick762 6 days ago +242
I think A Trains arc is the best writing, by far, for the entire show. My only complaint about him is that we didn't get to see more of season 5 A Train with his family.
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Otherwise_Carob_4057 6 days ago +30
I just wish he had put up more of a fight but they probably didn’t have the budget for a slow mo fight scene.
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Putrid_Loquat_4357 6 days ago +20
Having him put up more of a fight lessens the threat of homelander for the rest of the season, they need him to feel almost invincible.
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AngryChurchill 6 days ago +5
It's Amazon, they could easily pony up the cash for one amazing fight scene like in eternals for the speedster vs the superman. 
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shpongolian 6 days ago +6
I mean the show has a set budget regardless. It’s per season, not per scene. The show runners choose how they want to use it and I’m sure there’s gonna be a lot of crazy expensive shit happening in the last episodes that they chose to prioritize over the beginning episodes.
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Deviltherobot 6 days ago +3
Most of the heros don't really know martial arts. They are too strong to care about that stuff.
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cthulularoo 6 days ago +6
Amazon already paid to do a fight between Red Blue and Omniman.  Extending the fight between A-Train and Homelander would have ended the flight the same way -- A-Train smashing his hands against Homelanders chest.
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AngryChurchill 6 days ago
You know the writers and producers for those 2 shows are not the same people, right?  There are lots of ways to go about a speedster vs bullshit powers to make it interesting
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cthulularoo 6 days ago +6
A-Train isn't even Flash level of a speedster. He can't do a vibroknife or phase attack. So, yeah, there's nothing he can do other than smash his hand against Homey.
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AngryChurchill 6 days ago +1
So he can't literally turn back time, so what? HL isn't a light speed flyer either We can see how durable supes are in the boys (starlight can literally tank a 50 cal shot, Neumann took the laser eyes in the face without a hint of damage), it's really not a big deal to make it so yes, a-train can punch HL without breaking himself. We also saw a-train get creative with killing the other speedster by dragging him across the road until he was paste. Why can't he fight like that against HL? Y'all have no creativity at all. Not all flights have to come down to punching
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cthulularoo 6 days ago +2
Because on order for them to make a fight between Homelander and ATrain exciting, they'd either have to depower Homey to a street level hero or just have ATrain Scoobydoo for 20 minutes.  He can drag another speedster all day long, but if he's stupid enough to get within grabbing range of homey, he's going to get his arm crushed and get smashed into the ground.  If he tried to speed punch the guy, he'd break his hand.  There is no way for a speedster to beat a superman clone.  The Flash has a chance because he has the Flash Force which allows him to access cosmic level abilities.  ATrain does not.
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shinyhpno 6 days ago +1
I honestly expected him to rapid fire punches into Homelander trying to escape, at least showing he did some kind of training, planning for the inevitable.
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BB-Zwei 6 days ago +15
Having him not fight back physically makes the moment more powerful in my opinion. He *knows* he can't physically hurt Homelander, and he *knows* he is going to die. But he can show Homelander that he's not afraid of him anymore, and tell him how pathetic he is. In his final moments, he actually did a lot to hurt Homelander, it's just that it was lasting psychological damage rather than bruises, which is probably the most he could do physically.
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shinyhpno 6 days ago
Yeah, but I wanted superhero action lol
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +53
He was carrying season 4 on his back. I'm glad season 5 is better than the last, because otherwise I would've dipped after the ending of episode 1.
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AverageAwndray 6 days ago -12
Yeah... I'm gonna be honest...I really really hate that they killed him.... like... it low key ruined the series for me. I understand a "full circle" moment but he should have lived. He should have become an actual hero away from any corporations. He should have become THE hero. Not die alone. Really pisses me off...
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DelayedTism 6 days ago +12
Some would argue that the writers eliciting such a strong reaction means they did their job well. A story's job is to make you *feel* 
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kblkbl165 6 days ago +7
During 4 seasons: “No one important dieeeess everybody has plot armor! The Boys became what they were satirizing!!!” S05: A fan favorite character dieeeed, he shouldn’t dieee,m
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KrillinDBZ363 6 days ago +4
I think for me personally, while my ultimate hope was that he would survive and become the first true hero in this world like the guy said, I didn’t mind him eventually dying. However personally I am kinda disappointed that it happened so early into the season. He was basically one of the only characters who I was still interested in by the end of season 4, and so losing him personally made me lose a little more interest in the show than I had before. If he was gonna die, I just wish it would’ve happened at maybe the halfway point so we could’ve seen more interactions between him and The Boys, and get to see what a truly reformed and helpful Reggie looks like in the field. The way he died was great, I guess I just wanted to see more of him and his good side before we got to this moment.
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blippyblip 3 days ago +1
FWIW, Kripke did an interview where he said that he wanted A-Train to make it at least a few episodes before his death, but the *writers* were the ones pushing for it to happen earlier. They basically said, "You've been so reticent to kill any main characters for all these seasons, time to stop pulling punches for the last one."
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slick762 6 days ago +3
I don't know why you got down voted so hard. I liked how his story ended but you had a good alternative
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Demetri124 6 days ago +162
It’s a massive achievement they were able to introduce such an awful guy and then somehow make him everyone’s favorite character by the end
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +65
Especially given HE started everything off too. But man was his final scene such a great full circle moment.
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AngryChurchill 6 days ago +21
He may have been the catalyst for hughie joining the boys but he always felt remorse for killing Robyn, even when he acted like he didn't. He hated what he was and it was great for him to realize it and escape
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Danbito 6 days ago +6
His apology to Hughie at Herogasm was great for that. He’s been repressing his guilt for so long that when his brother was paralyzed, he finally understood what Hughie felt: to be so powerless because some superpowered jerk was on a power trip. He stopped trying to rationalize morality like how him killing Robyn an accident but the Boys killing Popclaw was deliberate set up for murder so he’s justified.
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BrushYourFeet 6 days ago +6
Yeah, well done, writing team! It hurt seeing him get done in.
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Fake_the_jaB 6 days ago +32
I completely agree with your post but I just want to add on with the fact that we also finally get to see Homelander going all out being fast enough to keep up with A Train. There have been moments in this show where they have forgotten to remind us why everyone is so terrified of Homelander. That chase scene was absolutely perfect, and him not being scared when Homelander got his hands on him was the cherry on top. Terrific acting and excellent writing.
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shinyhpno 6 days ago +9
I wanted to see a moment where Homelander was running against A-Train only to give up and start flying because he wasn't used to it.
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ThingCalledLight 5 days ago +3
Except Homelander *always* exerts as little effort as possible. (Unless it’s killing for pleasure.) He’s not a good fighter or runner because he developed fighting or running skills. He’s just the strongest/least vulnerable person alive.
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shinyhpno 5 days ago +2
Yeah, I know it wouldn't make sense. I just wanted to see it. Lol
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pathofdumbasses 4 days ago
> I completely agree with your post but I just want to add on with the fact that we also finally get to see Homelander going all out being fast enough to keep up with A Train. A lasered A-Train. An A-Train that is past his peak. An A-Train that doesn't have his own heart and is most certainly on anti-rejection medication. And finally, an A-Train that stumbled to make sure he didn't kill an innocent civilian again. In the scene beforehand, we literally see A-Train move so fast that he essentially slowed down time. Homelander is fast, but he isn't "prime speedster" fast, and A-Train isn't "Prime Speedster" and still able to slow down time.
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ChemicalTomato1692 6 days ago +70
When the show is trying it can actually be pretty well written. Last episode there were like 3 great scenes sandwiched in between a lot of bad jokes and shock value for the sake of shock value.
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The-Lethal-Pacifist 6 days ago +32
I still argue that the show was exceptionally written until the end of season 3 when they didn’t kill Homelander. Don’t get me wrong he’s still the *best* character in that it wild to see Anthony go from cringingly pathetic to intimidating like a sword of Damocles over the characters in back to back scenes, but these are all things that had been seen repeatedly by the end of 3 and he hasn’t gone beyond that. Maybe you could have butcher f****** off because he got his revenge but leaving the Boys to still deal with Vought who is bigger than one man. As it stands I still like the show but damn, the downgrade has been rough.
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JJMcGee83 6 days ago +16
> I still argue that the show was exceptionally written until the end of season 3 when they didn’t kill Homelander. Agreed. All of S4 was just treading water. It also feels myopic to have killing Homlander be the goal considering there's so many horrible supes.
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Deviltherobot 6 days ago +8
it would have been interesting to see Homelander weakened by solider boy blowing up in s3. But the power scale for Homelander is out of wack.
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LolthienToo 5 days ago +1
I think that might be on purpose to give the heroes very little hope to survive
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AdamHasShitMemes 6 days ago +2
Oh man, up until the last 20 mins, season 3 was some 10/10 shit
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AVR350 6 days ago +3
Could u specify those three scenes
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ChemicalTomato1692 6 days ago +4
MM and Edgar, Butcher and Ryan, Homelander and Ryan
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Y0___0Y 6 days ago +49
I also really liked Sage. I feel like it’s difficult to introduce a likeable character in season 4 of a show like this. Homelander going with the intelligent Black woman instead of some idiot peon was really interesting. You’d expect Ashley or someone else in the 7 to convince him. But no, he decides Sage is the best addition to the 7. Not because he is smart, but because he is bored. He is tired of being surrounded by yes men and wants someone who won’t be afraid to tell him what they think. Even though he is inevitably not capable of hearing someone else out. When she agrees to join, I thought I could predict everything that would happen. Sage would learn about what Vought really is, and she would be disgusted, and she’d team up with the Starlighters and save the day by betraying Homelander! Yawn. But no, she devotes herself to Homelander and Vought. Not because she’s a bad person, but, again, because she’s bored! When Homelander asks her “Why are you doing this for me?” and she replies “To see if I can” This is all a mental exercise for her and that’s the extent of her motivations. That’s so much cooler than her being the secret good guy. The world is so small and insignificant to her. I also love her character trait of loving food for stupid people. The Taco Bell product placement was egregious but it worked lol. The smartest person in the world loves Chalupas and Baja Blasts? It’s just so inane but it was hilarious. And her lobotomizing herself to enjoy a moment of peace and c**** pleasures. A lot of the grotesque scenes in this show feel like grossness for grossness’ sake. But this worked really well. Seducing The Deep with a box of fried onions and asking him if he wants to watch the Transformers movie with the racist robots 😂 I laighed my ass off at that
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shre3293 6 days ago +30
maybe they will introduce some twist but Sage definitely doesn't really feel like 'smartest character'. her character feels just lackluster to me currently. also it kinda does open themselves to plot holes regarding the extent of her powers.
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Y0___0Y 6 days ago +31
She totally feels like “smartest character” to me. When Homelander unfreezes Soldier Boy, something absolutely sure to be catastrophic for everyone. She doesn’t freak out or anything. She just perfectly reads Homelander “And this was a tactical move, right? You didn’t unfreeze him because he’s your daddy, right?” “…no” “Great so when he dies from the virus, you’re not going to lose it, because this was tactical, right?” She predicts exactly what happens short of Soldier Boy being immune to the virus. Makes sure to call Homelander out so that when this happens, he will hesitate before freaking out to avoid her being right. And her planning for Homelander to f*** everything up with the election the whole time, and when he ruins the election, she knew everything he was going to do, and planned for it, and still manages to get a loyalist to homelander installed as president. She is written in a way where shems believable as the smartest person in the world.
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come-on-now-please 6 days ago +16
I think she has the same problems as other "smartest person in the world" characters, in that since the writers aren't on thst intelligence level(not that im trying to call them dumb), i feel like there was a lot of back justification "haha, this was my real plan all along!" Type writing or "i know this because the plot demands i know it". Really, shes kinda just taking the place of whoever is in charge of vaught, be it Ashley, Madeline, or Giancarlo, but just wholly on homelanders side. I'm actually disappointed that they made it so that Ashley can't read her mind because Sage is so smart(which honestly feels like a cop-out so they can keep using the "how to write an intelligent character" tricks), the interplay between "im smarter than you but you can read my mind" could have been a cool game of mental cat and mouse.
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Nauin 6 days ago +2
It would have been so much better to make it where Sage can tell when Ashley would be trying to read her mind and she just starts remembering obnoxious songs that would drown out any other thoughts Ashley could pick up on.
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_bones__ 6 days ago +2
I agree. She constantly catches herself saying something stupid to provoke Homelander, and has to smooth-talk him into not destroying her. I'd expect her to be in control, and have a handle on, well, everything.
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BUSY_EATING_ASS 6 days ago +7
'Smart' doesn't mean wise; a ton of intelligent people genuinely have trouble putting their foots in their mouths, often *because* of their intelligence.
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MrPotatoButt 5 days ago +1
> This is all a mental exercise for her and that’s the extent of her motivations. That’s so much cooler than her being the secret good guy. The world is so small and insignificant to her. No, I think you're falling for Sage's facile answers. Sage has no powers. Other than she can predict everything and use her superbrain to manipulate other people's perceptions with what she says to them. Sage interacts with the Seven and Vought because she needs them in order to get to the end result she is manipulating them towards. Why do you think she comes back in at the end of season 4 when she was banished by Homelander? Because she knew what would eventually happen at the end; she didn't need to be there, it would unfold as she predicted. And she knew what she was going to tell Homelander when she came back. No, Sage should be a bigger player by the finale, and I think even Homelander knows he has to be wary of her.
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JimmyTheJimJimson 6 days ago +10
Man, The Deep f****** *kills* me every time he’s on screen. He steals almost every scene he’s in
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D2WilliamU 6 days ago +9
The boys isn't the show it once was, but I got to say. A-train has been exceptional But my personal favourite, The Deep. From acting to writing, just so consistently entertaining and well done. Even if I'm not as hot on the show as I once was, this season I've enjoyed everything with The Deep.
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BeginningPlastic3747 6 days ago +5
A-Train is one of those characters where the show actually made me *feel* something I didn't expect to, because by season 4 I genuinely wanted him to make it out okay, which is insane when you remember he literally ran through a girl at the start.
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TCoMonteCristo 6 days ago +6
A-Train got the best character development of everyone in the show, kind of the equivalent of Theon Greyjoy.
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AngryChurchill 6 days ago +12
It was a great character moment but it had 2 problems.  1) We should have gotten to see a-train do more cool hero shit before they killed him off. A one-off save then to get chased down and not actually fight HL, meh. He deserved more 2) It didn't make any sense at all. A-train was literally moving at or near the speed of light when he got to the camp to save hughie (see: him observing homelanders laser eyes moving incredibly slowly towards hughie, still having time to save mm, pull the pins on 2 grenades on the guard, *then* save hughie at the last second). We also see him making very sharp turns during the chase with HL to dodge the incoming light speed eye lasers. Why was the person in the street that was moving at 2 mph such a difficult thing to dodge? It looked like he had plenty of time when he noticed her and he can think and act at insane speeds now (faster than earlier seasons apparently), it should've been a non issue for him to turn slightly and not run her over
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +7
IIRC, Homelander's lasers clipped his shoulder, which likely slowed him down a bit. But I 100% agree we should've gotten more time with hero A-Train
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shinyhpno 6 days ago +2
I saw people praising the slow motion scene, and I kind of rolled my eyes at that. Also, people confuse whether people standing still or people moving slowly shows that the hero is fast. It's people standing still that while the character is in normal motion that shows speed of light. A-Train should've been unstoppable if we go off of that scene.
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justenrules 5 days ago +1
Thank you! The laser eyes thing really bothered me. He clearly took his time watching the lasers slowly move forward towards Hughie, then suddenly they were just as fast as he was and he could barely outrun them.
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buickboi99 6 days ago +6
A train was a good person that was groomed to be an evil person. Wonder what good he could have done in a healthy environment
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InnocentTailor 6 days ago +5
Pretty much describes a lot of the supers in this crapsack world and gives this version of The Boys way more nuance than the comic book version - a universe of arseholes and exploited cynics.
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IlIIIllIIlIlllII 6 days ago +23
This show has not fallen off half as bad as people make out
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17to85 6 days ago +12
The shows problem is that the real world has become more extreme than the parody so you're either going beat for beat with the real world or you have to turn the stupidity up to 11 to go above what's actually happening.
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shinyhpno 6 days ago +12
That's not even the issue. Lol They've just been circling the end and overlapped it by one season at best. They should've been done with this.
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RedditConsciousness 5 days ago -2
That is not the shows problem. The show's problem is that it is crass and juvenile with a frequency higher than it has earned. Also. It is a work of fiction. And no it isn't "just like the real world" or whatever thing you and the showrunners have said. If you think that then you do not understand the real world. Yes Trump is bad. No the US isn't some dystopic hellscape like listnook thinks it is. I understand many people here are not going to hear that though.
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Dead_man_posting 5 days ago +3
If edgy humor were a "problem," the show wouldn't be half as popular as it is. You just don't like it. Also, no idea what "earned" has to do with it, lmao.
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RedditConsciousness 5 days ago
> If edgy humor were a "problem," the show wouldn't be half as popular as it is. It is popular but it has declined in the esteem of critics and some fans. If it were more adult it would have retained more "prestige television" status than it has. > You just don't like it. I have mixed feelings about it. I have watched all of the episodes up to date and all of Gen V and Diabolical (there is one episode I definitely wish I could unsee). > Also, no idea what "earned" has to do with it, lmao. A brilliant piece of art with a little bit of low brow humor will generally be well received. However if the ratio of low brow humor to brilliance is to high on the low brow humor side, you lose audiences. People stop watching and some of those who still watch enjoy it less. At least is you are trying to tell a story or make a metaphor for something. Sure there are comedies which are nothing but toilet humor but they aren't as story oriented. I'm not saying you can't have a show still have some sort of an audience. I'd argue that too much low brow stuff turned people off of South Park (though that show is its own complicated discussion). I also think they have dialed it back a bit in recent years.
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come-on-now-please 6 days ago +3
I think it escalated pretty well. And since *gestures in general vicinity of the world and politics* has happened in real life, is it really even that unbelievable?
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Consistent-Lock4928 5 days ago +2
> gestures in general vicinity of the world and politics God this shit is so cringy
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Benevonstanciano 6 days ago +10
The whole series I was joking with my boyfriend saying they can never make me forgive A-Train. But God damn it, they did it.
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ArcadianBlueRogue 5 days ago +3
He's a great counter to The Deep. A-Train's arc actually has him developing against all the fucked up stuff he's been a part of to wanting to do the right thing. The Deep....uh...not so much even though he has been given just as many chances as A-Train.
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Union_Samurai 6 days ago +2
It would be really fun if his arc comes out to be the best in the show overall. Something I would not have thought back in the earlier seasons.
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KreMs21 6 days ago +2
yeah it was nice, felt a little stretched like they could probably pull it off in 2 seasons of the show but it was nice.
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MutaliskGluon 6 days ago +4
The fact that A Trains last stand amd whatever the f*** they are doing with kimiko happened in the same episode just baffles me. On one hand you have an amazing conclusion to an arc with great diologue and emotional weight. And on the other yoy have something most 12 year old boys would find lame. Where's the f****** consistency?!?!?
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obiwan770 6 days ago +3
Yeah I was standing up cheering at that one point. Great arc
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Flashy_Awareness5072 6 days ago +2
true
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Skaugy 6 days ago +1
I've always thought that sticking closely to the source material isn't nearly as important as people make it out to be. There's a lot of both good and bad TV and movies that closely follow the source material. Same for ones that deviate a lot from the source material.
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-Clayburn 5 days ago +1
> The Boys has many flaws Psh! Name four.
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GeronimoJak 6 days ago
I think his ending is pretty good but all things considered I think A Trains actual arc is the most egregious example of the show refusing to have finality or consequences for characters. A Train starts off as the first big bad and it takes them multiple seasons to deal with him. Through multiple episodes there are instances where the characters should be able to kill each other but are abruptly stopped by whatever reason they need to and end up Benny Hilling each other around, likely because the show runners or execs saw the actor was popular and refused to get rid of them. In the comic a train does quite early and I really think it would have been better if they actually just committed to it early on instead of whatever this was.
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Sudden_Pop_2279 6 days ago +10
I disagree. Hughie saved A-Train because it shows he's different than Butcher, he refuses to let revenge consume him. A-Train dying at Herogasm would've been the easy way out and let him keep running from responsibility. His arc was the best part of season 4 and I thought his ending was perfect. Happy cake day too
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GeronimoJak 6 days ago +1
The thing is the heroes aren't supposed to be good people. A-Train dying of a heart attack on his own would have been a fitting ending for him, and his own personal redemption for confronting the racism he felt and facing the consequences of his actions. The show could have been written a hundred different ways, but like I said, a good half of the entire shows run just feels like they were too scared to remove the plot armor from these characters because they were scared about what would happen if the actors were no longer in the show. The show doesn't really feel like it ever truly progresses, just kicks the can down the line. Homelander should have snapped fully two seasons ago instead of perpetually edging it the way it has til now. A Train doesn't *need* a redemption arc. Also thank you.
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kblkbl165 6 days ago +1
If they followed the comic the tv show would be complete shit
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ztpurcell 6 days ago
You gotta cool it with the "the latter" mate lol. You're not even really using it in the most sensible places and you're definitely using it too much
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Nomad4te 6 days ago
I couldn’t get past homelanders muscle suit in season one. Reminded me of George Michael Bluth too much. 😂
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Sloppykrab 6 days ago
Is Albert in the new series?
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dapala1 5 days ago
"many flaws" is annoying, Siskel.
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Klutzy_Anybody_1487 6 days ago -13
overstayed his welcome for 33 episodes.
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DaveyDukes 6 days ago -6
The writers of the show must’ve felt so clever with the scene of him dodging the girl on the road in S5E1, but it really just felt corny.
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QBin2017 6 days ago -16
Anyone else getting sick of hearing about everyone else’s ideas of flaws on a show you like? No one cares what you think the flaws are. If people like a show you don’t need to preface with the flaws you’ve found. No one cares. You’re not that special.
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Krateling 6 days ago +2
you very clearly care about it. If you don't think those things are flaws, you can make that argument. If you don't want to discuss shows, maybe you want to avoid places entirely dedicated to discussing them
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Consistent-Lock4928 5 days ago +1
The Boys definitely deserves criticism of its flaws.
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QBin2017 5 days ago +1
That’s definitely just your unsolicited opinion.
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Consistent-Lock4928 5 days ago +1
Why even read comments?
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shadeOfAwave 6 days ago
You have the option of ignoring it and not commenting this
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allbutluk 6 days ago -1
I would love it if he kept laughing until homelander lazer his eyes and hes screaming laughing till the end but ya great close out for his arc
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frequentviewer 6 days ago -3
it is kind of the most predictable arc ever culminating in the tropiest sendoff possible. the fact that him dodging the random lady while running was what did him in was so unbelievably eyeroll worthy lol.
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