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MJamesK Mar 29, 2026 +5772

The Manosphere is embarrassingly late. Supporting him the first time around was kinda understandable. I still think you're an idiot for it, but like.... f***. But then like, all he actually did was lower taxes for the very rich, get people killed by lying about COVID, tear gas a church for a photo op, etc. etc. Supporting him in 2020 was pretty damn unforgivable. You had learned he wasn't going to "Drain" anything. You had learned he was dangerous in a crisis and could not be trusted to help us out - let alone even just to give us truthful information regarding a serious, global public health crisis. Supporting him after Jan 6, 2021 was just treasonous. He refused to honor the results of our elections and fomented a violent act of terrorism in our nation's capital. People died. Supporting him in 2024* was _insanity_. With project 2025 out in the open and all his previous actions and words... anyone with half of a brain had fully internalized that he a) lies like we breathe, b) would use every lever of power accessible to him to simply feed his ego and his bank account, no matter how corrupt or illegal and c) would cause widespread death and suffering through - at an absolute minimum - gross negligence and straight up lying to the American Populace. They got duped by divide and conquer. They got duped by the most obvious propaganda machine in history ala Fox News. I'm glad they are waking up (now that gas prices are raising and it's impacting them personally and directly, smh) but they should be eternally embarrassed. The path forward involves public apology. Ownership of the roles they played coddling and platforming treasonous war criminals.

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specqq Mar 29, 2026 +1527

And then there’s the ones that will be supporting him in 2028.

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HighBrowLoFi Mar 30, 2026 +1061

Joe Rogan in 2028: “I mean, this economic depression really sucks, and we all feel betrayed about Iran, but I just… I dunno, Beshear just didn’t sell me, y’know? He didn’t really strike me as a change candidate. Figured I’d take my chance a fourth time, maybe it’ll be different”

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gpenz Mar 30, 2026 +135

Please be beshear.

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dkyguy1995 Mar 30, 2026 +1

That's my guy :)

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hbrooks108 Mar 30, 2026 +1

We love Andy! 💚

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starfleethastanks Mar 30, 2026 +1

We need JB Pritzker in 28.

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tnscoach Mar 30, 2026 +1

I lived in Illinois the last 10 years and I gotta say pritzker did a good job with what he had. The State had been a computer fire for 100 years

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TraditionDear3887 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Thats pretty impressive for a computer fire

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Snagglespoof Mar 30, 2026 +1

Thankfully a dumpster flood nearby put it out.

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lightingbug78 Mar 30, 2026 +60

Man Bashear would be great, but you really don’t think it’ll be Newsome? I don’t think the DNC is that smart.

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HighBrowLoFi Mar 30, 2026 +99

I think (hope) Telerico, Mamdani, even Platner have kinda shifted the vibe. I think Newsom was their default for sure in 2025, but through gritted teeth they will HAVE to accept that we need a genuine “peaceful warrior” candidate for 2028 in the mold of these guys. Beshear fits in the best. I think he pulls ahead late next year as the dark horse candidate, particularly after the messiness of the California Governor’s Primary makes everyone feel skeeved out about the state.

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ohyesiam1234 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Mark Kelly is going to run.

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HighwayBrigand Mar 30, 2026 +1

It's going to be a wide field. Pritzker, Whitmer, Kelly, Beshear, Newsome, Shapiro, Moore, Raskin, and I would expect a handful of others.

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ohyesiam1234 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Yep, too early for Tellarico yet. He’s a force!

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HighwayBrigand Mar 30, 2026 +1

Is this the guy who just won a primary in Texas?

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ohyesiam1234 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Yep.

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Canoobie Mar 30, 2026 +1

Mark Kelly is he only dem I feel good in my soul about. The way he stood up to Trump and hegseth is what I want out of Democrats. Some real resolve….. I may not agree with him on everything, but he’s got my vote if he runs..

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Han_Yolo_swag Mar 30, 2026 +1

Kelly aura farmed so hard he forgot to increase charm at all

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chowderbags Mar 30, 2026 +1

Honestly I'm kinda sick of presidents having "charm". Can I maybe get a president with competence instead?

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doduotrainer Mar 30, 2026 +1

Vote in the primary

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yaishoayayay Mar 30, 2026 +51

We deserve better than Newsome

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D-Rich-88 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Which is why we’ll get Newsom

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Oleg101 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Does the DNC decide the nominee?

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dkyguy1995 Mar 30, 2026 +1

No, primaries do and people seem to forget that. The DNC has superdelegates, but those have not been the deciding factor in the primaries. For Hillary, Biden, or Kamala. Kamala was a weird one though as she was the VP candidate of the person who actually won the primary

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BrainOnBlue Mar 30, 2026 +1

Superdelegates no longer get to vote on the first ballot after people freaked out about them in 2016. Which, to be clear, is a good change, but the fact that was the catalyst is dumb. Clinton had a majority of pledged delegates and would have won either way.

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Rhine1906 Mar 30, 2026 +1

It’s a vote, friend. The DNC can’t do anything but watch who gets what vote. Newsome likely won’t come close to the nomination and there are plenty of other strong, potential candidates including Bashear, Kelly, Walz, Whitmer and Pritzker. I think he’ll end up lost in the 🔀

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Automatic-Duck1680 Mar 30, 2026 +1

You have to remember that a good many of these voters are looking for a personality. It’s why W won and a lot of why Chump won in 2016. Pritzker and Newsom have the type of personality that people want to see. Mark Kelly I don’t know about but apparently Beshear might be a stick in the mud. The average American reads at a 7th or 8th grade level with 54% reading at a 6th grade or below level. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that anyone participating in this sub is well above the average. Chump reads at maybe a 4th grade level at best and that’s what resonates with voters; he’s one of them. They’re not going to vote for someone using $10 words when they only have $0.10 comprehension level. A large portion of voters want someone that talks to them, not down to them. It’s been a Democratic problem since the ‘80s and they still don’t understand this.

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kelsey11 Mar 30, 2026 +107

“Will be”? Try “are”. I’m in MA and some f****** toolbag in town has a Trump 2028 flag displayed proudly.

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No-Beautiful-259 Mar 30, 2026 +1

I’ll see your one guy in town and raise you the state of Texas…. The third term is a foregone conclusion to 1 out of 3 people down here.

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TangoPRomeo Mar 30, 2026 +31

Note to self: Make a 'Trump 2028' flag to display, to keep people pissed off enough to get out and f****** vote.

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biopunk42 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Future psychological studies will examine this time period and ask "How could a sentient being be so completely ludicrously submissive as to have supported Trump?" Luckily, they'll have tons of data to study to figure it out.

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move_machine Mar 30, 2026 +1

It's been researched: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism#Relationship_with_social_dominators [Based on studies, about 30% to 40% of the US population has right-wing authoritarian personalities with the following traits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism): > 1. a high degree of submission to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives. > 2. a general aggressiveness, directed against various persons, that is perceived to be sanctioned by established authorities. > 3. a high degree of adherence to the social conventions that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities.

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yamers Mar 30, 2026 +19

can't wait for that Joe Rogan podcast where he says 3rd time is really what trump needs to takedown the deep state...lmao

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12PoundCankles Mar 30, 2026 +1

You mean if they're not splattered all over Iran? Those dumbasses really thought voted for a Republican because they thought he was anti-war. Anyone older than 30 can tell you that's not a thing that exists. As an OEF/OIF vet myself, all I can say is... Enjoy. Oh, and they're probably all going to get drafted. Oh well.

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The_Lost_Jedi Mar 29, 2026 +311

Too many people just don't pay any f****** attention. They just blithely assumed that because he was nominated, then surely he must be a reasonable candidate (despite his former cabinet telling everyone he was horrible and incompetent and corrupt). Surely he'd appoint people that know what they're doing, etc (despite him f****** telling everyone he was going to pick sycophants and toadies). People need to own up to having been taken for a ride, and realize that they can't trust the Republican party/voters to pick someone who's competent or responsible anymore, nor can they trust that Republicans will keep an out of control President in check. The ultimate aim of the Republican party since basically Watergate has been to remove any and all controls on a Republican President, while undermining any and all actions by the Democrats. This is not the least bit sustainable in a democracy/republic, and the Republican party needs to be purged of those enablers at minimum, or perhaps even replaced by an actual conservative (rather than Reactionary) party entirely.

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WintersChild79 Mar 29, 2026 +134

The "But there will be adults in the room" cope was some of the most braindead shit that I've ever seen used as an excuse to support a shitty candidate. Every president needs advisors who can fill in gaps in the president's personal knowledge and expertise. No president should need babysitters.

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The_Lost_Jedi Mar 29, 2026 +36

Yeah. And they just assumed that because things didn't completely blow up last time (forgetting all about what happened with the bungled Covid response), that it'd be fine this time - ignoring the fact that we got shielded from the absolute worst of Trump last time, but that this time? This time he'd make sure to remove ALL the remaining guardrails.

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mybad4990 Mar 30, 2026 +20

Not to mention in his first term there were actually adults in the room who kept him from doing the really pants on head stupid stuff. This time around it's just mindless sycophants who act like every idea he has is the greatest thing ever and blow sunshine up his ass

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R0TTENART Mar 30, 2026 +1

Blowing sunshine up an ass was actually his Covid solution. Ironic.

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CoolAtlas Mar 30, 2026 +1

Imagine if people tried to convince you to vote for Biden with the same argument. The double standard is insane, especially when Trump is clearly more demented

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ChromaticDragon Mar 29, 2026 +37

> Every president needs advisors who can fill in gaps in the president's personal knowledge and expertise. The problem here is that President selects these advisors. When limiting this to the Cabinet positions and the like, then the Senate weighs in and confirms these choices. Sooo... if the toddler in chief must be babysat it is never a sane expectation that said toddler will select "adults". We see this very clearly in the contrast between Trump's first term and his second. His appointments were a mess the first round... but the sheer sycophancy and incompetency of his second term is staggering. Therefore, no we cannot expect "adults" to even be in the room. Oh... but maybe the adults can still save us. The Senate must confirm, right? And here's where we get into the larger problem - the GOP. Trump is not the problem. He's just a symptom of the larger problems. The GOP is one of the larger problems. All the way from top to bottom. They GOP has proven themselves to be incompetent in the House and worthless in the Senate. Yup. The idea that it was ever sane to elect Trump and hope others would prevent Trump from screwing things too badly... was indeed braindead.

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RawrRawr83 Mar 30, 2026 +1

This is beyond not paying attention. This man cannot speak coherently and is comically evil in his actions for this entire life.

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regardedMAGAfascist Mar 30, 2026 +1

“Actual conservatism” isn’t some noble thing we’ve drifted away from. It’s exactly what you’re watching play out now, we’re seeing unbridled conservatism in action. Conservatism isn’t a coherent philosophy you can cleanly define and admire. It’s a pattern. The pattern is the point. Hypocrisy isn’t a flaw. It’s the operating system. Same with bigotry and deference to money and power. “Law and order” means protection for me, punishment for you, and it always has. It’s not subtle. “Limited government” is the longest-running joke in the whole act. Limited for who? Not for the people they don’t like. Not for the causes they care about. Under conservatism, the state can reach into your body, your speech, your private life with no problem at all. The only things that ever get “limited” are inconveniences to their donors or whatever dumbass culture-war nonsense the dumbass base is being whipped into this week. “Traditional values” is just a softer way of saying hierarchy. It’s a sorting mechanism. In-groups, out-groups, who gets dignity and who doesn’t. Dress it up however you want, the point of it is that some people matter more than others as a function of their wealth. That’s how conservatives define morality. “Free markets” are important right up until the moment competition threatens someone important. Then it’s subsidies, bailouts, regulatory capture, and whatever else keeps the winners winning. The market is sacred until it isn’t useful anymore. If you’re looking for people who actually try to live by the brochure version of all this, you’re basically left with libertarians. Of course the actual touted philosophy falls apart the second reality shows up. “No safety net” sounds a lot better right up until you need one. Turns out you do, in fact, want a fire department pretty much every time there is a fire.

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tehawesomedragon Mar 30, 2026 +1

Ironically, these fake Christians that blindly support him are too proud of their stance to admit they're wrong.

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Deadrubbertreeplant Mar 30, 2026 +1

This is what's up. I'm friends with quite a few Trump voters and it really was just a "He's the Republican candidate" situation for them. My dad has been reduced to "I don't want to talk about politics."

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R0TTENART Mar 30, 2026 +1

I gotta say, dad or not, I would not let that slide. You don't get to willingly contribute to the literal erosion of democracy and American standing in the world and then get to say "oh, I don't talk politics" when it all predictably blows up. I realize that's easy to say in a listnook comment but... man, it really boils my blood. All these people deserve public shaming and deprogramming but instead, they'll all just go on with their lives, likely never once truly reflecting on their choices.

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Heya_Straya Mar 30, 2026 +1

"Don't pay attention"? You do realise that this is an assumption that the people who vote for Trump don't know exactly what they're reaping, right? Oh, but I assure you: this is very, VERY deliberate. They know exactly what they're getting and are revelling in it.

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zsreport Mar 30, 2026 +79

The manosphere is afraid of getting drafted and sent to Iran

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GarmaCyro Mar 30, 2026 +1

That's what I find most amazing (though not surprising). It's a solid proof they aren't men. Just humans cosplaying as men. The tough and strong act being just that. An act. The actual mens aren't frighten by wearing a skirt, showing compassion, hugging a gay man, or anything similar :)

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PhoenixTineldyer Mar 29, 2026 +108

Trump supporters aren't capable of learning. It's against their religion. That's why they f****** hate teachers.

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LiveLaughFap Mar 30, 2026 +36

They aren’t capable of learning OR admitting they’re wrong and incredibly naive and vulnerable to obvious, lazy propaganda. I’m still seeing a lot of cope of the “umm, well, I choose to believe that Kamala still would have been worse despite all evidence to the contrary, because that helps me from feeling like a f****** buffoon” variety

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Cirqka Mar 30, 2026 +22

I think it’s more the possibility of a draft. Not wanting to debate on it happening or not, just simply the *possibility*. It’s finally hitting home that being an alpha bro may require you to go to war.

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ynotfoster Mar 30, 2026 +1

That's one way to get young people to vote.

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redditismylawyer Mar 30, 2026 +1

And furthermore! Don’t be fooled! Headlines like this will increase in number and intensity as we get closer to the mid-terms with the sole objective of getting YOU to think that the mission has been accomplished and since it’s in the bag…. WHY BOTHER VOTING!? Never forget: the GOP only wins when people stay home. They know they can’t win by changing hearts and minds, but they sure as shit can win by convincing you your vote is redundant or irrelevant.

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GoochStubble Mar 30, 2026 +1

The manosphere is literally the core of what allows for fascism among people. They are also the most insulated from the damage and consequences of fascism. And they also benefit the most from the fascism. The patriarchy that people deny exists is at the core of power. By reversing their role within patriarchy, they have the most to lose.

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kawhi21 Mar 30, 2026 +1

The simple reason "the manosphere" likes Trump is because it seems more women do not like him. The manosphere exists to hate and contradict whatever women do. The whole "movement" is based on women

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stillhavingfunyea Mar 30, 2026 +19

Yea, but you weren’t manly if you voted for Kamala…..so, in order to be “manly” you vote for Trump……doesn’t matter that he is a rapist, pedophile, a cheat, and a liar, what is important is feeling like a “man”. The republicans figured out the cheat code. Use peoples own insecurities and use it against them. If they drive big pick up trucks to be a man, surely they will vote for the “manliest” person….. and racism and bigotry run rampant in the red states.

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MJamesK Mar 30, 2026 +26

"Any man who needs to say "I am a *MAN*" is no man." -Tywin Lannister

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PaxDramaticus Mar 30, 2026 +35

>The path forward involves public apology. The article mentions the manosphere doesn't support Democrats because they're seen as too preachy. I have to wonder if they would think this is an example of that. Not that I think it is, nor that I think you're wrong. Over half a million people died from Trump's incompetence just in his first term, and the number is only ticking upward in his second. Imagine, voting for the guy who had American*s* (since the article suggests they only noticed Alex Pretti for some reason), the guy who bombed innocent schoolchildren, and only responding with anger that the guy didn't fulfill his promise to you. These manosphere bros' complete and utter narcissism is what gets people murdered by the Regime.

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Villag3Idiot Mar 30, 2026 +30

I remember a Twitter post a while ago from someone that said that MAGA needs an off ramp to avoid public humiliation by their peers or they'll just dig in deeper because of people not wanting to admit they were stupid enough to be duped.

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PaxDramaticus Mar 30, 2026 +44

Probably true. But an off-ramp on its own will just invite ex-MAGAs to get duped by the next grifter to get popular. It's much like how in the Bush Jr. years a bunch of Americans embarassed themselves by supporting an incompetently run Iraq war that used a lot of torture and abuse of innocent civilians to get a lot of nothing accomplished and was all initiated by lies about WMDs. And instead of showing the slightest degree of introspection, instead of questioning how they could be so easily duped into hating and supporting violence against innocent people, Bush's fans just responded, "No, no, see, I was actually libertarian all along!" Instead of a re-think, they did a re-brand. MAGA is evidence that something in American culture is rotten. Name changes will do nothing but hide it until a dupe can be found to sell it to. To fix the rot, people have got to stop being so willing to be duped.

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wrecklessdriver Mar 30, 2026 +19

It's like when the people who join cults/pyramid schemes ("MLMs) decide to leave only to join another. It's straight up a personality trait.

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Buckrooster Mar 30, 2026 +30

Dejavu. Heard this exact same bullshit around 2020. We are always expected to coddle and make excuses for these people. Im surrounded by them. They're hateful, resentful, racist, and generally uneducated. They call democrats/liberals "out of touch" and "preachy" because the ones they know tend to point out that: the things they say are hateful/hypocritical, they shouldn't just take a low dose of ivermectin every single morning, etc. They live in an echo chamber, so when an outsider attempts to correct their behavior or provide a differing viewpoint, it comes off as preachy or out of touch to them. They're stubborn and stuck in their biases. They are not open to new information or ideas. They're snowflakes

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move_machine Mar 30, 2026 +1

No, what we need is what happened in Germany after they were defeated in WWII: [Denazification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification). Specifically, how the Allies fostered [responsibility and collective guilt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification#Responsibility_and_collective_guilt) for what their support of Nazis led to: > In 1945, the Public Relations and Information Services Control Group of the British Element (CCG/BE) of the Allied Control Commission for Germany began to issue directives to officers in charge of producing newspapers and radio broadcasts for the German population to emphasize "the moral responsibility of all Germans for Nazi crimes". Similarly, among US authorities, such a sense of collective guilt was "considered a prerequisite to any long-term education of the German people" > Using the German press, which was under Allied control, as well as posters and pamphlets, a program was conducted which was intended to acquaint ordinary Germans with what had taken place in the concentration camps. An example of this was the use of posters with images of concentration camp victims coupled to text such as "YOU ARE GUILTY OF THIS!" or "These atrocities: your fault!" > English writer James Stern recounted an example in a German town soon after the German surrender: >> [a] crowd is gathered around a series of photographs which though initially seeming to depict garbage instead reveal dead human bodies. Each photograph has a heading "WHO IS GUILTY?". The spectators are silent, appearing hypnotised and eventually retreat one by one. The placards are later replaced with clearer photographs and placards proclaiming "THIS TOWN IS GUILTY! YOU ARE GUILTY!" > A number of films showing the concentration camps were made and screened to the German public, such as Die Todesmühlen, released in the US zone in January 1946, and Welt im Film No. 5 in June 1945. A film that was never finished due partly to delays and the existence of the other films was Memory of the Camps. According to Sidney Bernstein, chief of Psychological Warfare Division, the objective of the film was: >> To shake and humiliate the Germans and prove to them beyond any possible challenge that these German crimes against humanity were committed and that the German people – and not just the Nazis and SS – bore responsibility. > Immediately upon the liberation of the concentration camps, many German civilians were forced to see the conditions in the camps, bury rotting corpses and exhume mass graves. In some instances, civilians were also made to provide items for former concentration camp inmates.

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kevnmartin Mar 30, 2026 +6

Screw 'em.

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IIILORDGOLDIII Mar 30, 2026 +30

The manosphere is not your friend just because they don't like Trump.

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zombiepete Mar 30, 2026 +21

The manosphere is embarrassing, period.

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flwombat Mar 30, 2026 +1

The election of Trump was by and for billionaires - stronger and more centrally driven by the tech billionaires specifically, in the 2024 election. The manosphere dingdongs align themselves with the billionaires. That has not changed even a tiny bit. Criticizing Trump is pure sideshow

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cyanescens_burn Mar 30, 2026 +1

Bannon and company recognized after gamergate they could weaponize a certain group of young men, and boy were they successful in doing so. There’s even some evidence in the Epstein files that Epstein was involved in the process (creating /pol and spreading pizzagate and the evil dem cabal of baby eaters, etc). I’m curious if this evidence has made its way into those circles. Man, it’s gotta suck to find out you were fed disinformation to prop up the kind of people you thought you were fighting against.

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Far_Sprinkles_7656 Mar 30, 2026 +7

Only thing he has drained is their wallets. Doh.

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Legendver2 Mar 30, 2026 +1

That's the thing, the manosphere didn't gaf about all that. They're just a bunch of women hating assholes who couldn't get laid in their youth, so instead of bettering themselves, they learned how to trick women into bed, learned BS like hypergamy and alpha this, beta that. Then along comes Trump with his"locker room talk" saying what's on their minds this while time or loud. Justifying to then, if you're enough of an a******, even you can become the president. It just have them permission to openly be misogynist. They're only turning on him now because things got bad enough it's hitting their wallet, and they may end up dying fighting a war they didn't ask for.

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ringobob Mar 30, 2026 +1

I forgave people for voting for him in 16. I knew the general shape of what was coming, I just could accept that others clearly did not. As his term got on, I came to accept that people just preferred the delusion to reality. I can understand why, I guess. It's a dramatic existence to be in a constant state of spiritual warfare for the soul of your country. I don't so much need an apology as I need them to commit to deprogramming their brains. I don't need shit, just fix your self.

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jemappellejimbo Mar 30, 2026 +8

They’ll never apologize. They will never acknowledge that it was the racism and cruelty that got them to vote for him.

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b-hizz Mar 30, 2026 +5

Or they just know a sinking ship when they see one and don’t want the fallout of being a ride-or-die..

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blzrlzr Mar 30, 2026 +1

This is a well thought out post but I think it ignores something fundamental. They don’t care. The support comes from dollars that is the weathervane to their position. Not everything is dictated by the almighty dollar. But when things start to shift, it becomes pretty obvious who had a real original thought in their head to begin with.

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SluggoRuns Mar 30, 2026 +1

I agree 100% but I’d like to add that there were some serious election interference (such as blatant misinformation being spread) from state actors on platforms like listnook

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Boulderchunk Mar 30, 2026 +1

But also, don't downplay Fox News. If you have parents or other loved ones who have been taken in by it, you know how it just... turns peoples' brains to mush. Idk, man, they use some kind of cult indoctrination techniques to hijack peoples' brains and get them to not think logically about anything, and go into a frothing, berserker rage at trigger words like "DEI", "trans", and "Mexicans". It needs to be studied. Rupert Murdoch might be the most influential individual in the world in the 20th and 21st century, and mark my words, history will remember him as such, in the most horrible of ways. Putting an end to this madness isn't just about shutting down the manosphere, but also the Murdoch media empire, and also Facebook, Twitter, etc., at this point, and making the kind of brainwashing they do an international crime.

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AndyB1976 Mar 29, 2026 +995

What a stupid f****** word.

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Outrageous-Opinions Mar 29, 2026 +354

Yeah the correct one is just incels

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hoorahforsnakes Mar 30, 2026 +251

Incel is too neutral, i prefer the term unfuckable losers

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Sthepker Mar 30, 2026 +1

My mom coined the term “loner with a boner” and I really want it to catch on

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Justin_Queso1187 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Your mom sounds amazing.

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T8ert0t Mar 30, 2026 +1

D'floorables

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willengineer4beer Mar 30, 2026 +1

I just watched a documentary on this subculture and the content creators didn’t give off incel vibes to me. They seemed much more like just sexist idiotic manipulative dbags. From the looks of things they did okay with women, but gave off the vibe of those asshat “negging” guys from a couple decades ago. Some of the women around them appeared to have insecurities that were being actively preyed upon while others felt like they were just making a business decision to hold their nose and use the guys’ popularity to increase their own exposure. I could totally buy that their fanbase is largely made up of incels though. Not sure who else would spend time listening to these guys.

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tinysydneh Mar 30, 2026 +1

The creators do "fine" by manipulation, but the big thing is that they *do* appeal to incels and other groups of men, especially young men, who haven't gotten what they were promised (some of which is a legitimate grievance, even). The real issue is that they give out dogshit advice, then when it doesn't work, "well, here's this course I happen to be selling". It's a cult at this point. Giving real advice is risky. It might not work. Teaching people they aren't getting what they're owed? Evergreen, and profitable.

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metalyger Mar 30, 2026 +1

They're mainly cryptofascists, like in the Netflix documentary, just let them talk long enough, and they'll start up with antisemitism with their conspiracy theories. It starts with telling young men about self improvement and then it's about indoctrination into Cristo facisism.

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tommles Mar 30, 2026 +33

Manosphere is more than just incels.

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sixtus_clegane119 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Mgtow/ mra/ red pillers/no fappers All part of the flow chart towards inceldom (who are really volcels blaming others for their issues instead of working on themselves)

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TSllama Mar 30, 2026 +1

Incels are *far* from the only subgroup in the manosphere. There are for example men's rights activists, incels, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), pick-up artists (PUA), and fathers' rights groups (and plenty of others, tbh). The common belief is simply being anti-feminism and believing that feminism has caused negative effects against men. So the manosphere is chock full of just average, run-of-the-mill misogynists. And *tons* of them have wives or girlfriends... even daughters...

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cursing_nearchildren Mar 30, 2026 +1

"Manosphere" sounds like a gay night club

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jbFanClubPresident Mar 30, 2026 +1

Should be the insecureosphere.

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skeleton_made_o_bone Mar 30, 2026 +1

*world

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TheSpartanExile Mar 30, 2026 +1

Do you think they named themselves that?

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IHumanlike Mar 29, 2026 +1155

"The cracks are showing" Just stop. I've been hearing the same shit since 2016.

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Mutant-Cat Mar 29, 2026 +249

In this article Schulz is reported saying that Iranians don't know how to enjoy life. There's something so profoundly dehumanizing about a claim like that. And anyone willing to say something like that should absolutely not be trusted to fight against Republicans.

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Metrinome Mar 29, 2026 +121

Which is ironic because followers of the manosphere seem so miserable all the time.

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omicronjob Mar 30, 2026 +52

They live in a hell of their own making but lack the self-awareness to see it, so they rage at everyone else.

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broguequery Mar 30, 2026 +1

I've had that same line of thought with the rabid pro-ICE people. Like, what is the end game here? If everything you hope for comes true, and every brown person is dissappeared tomorrow... and your life still sucks... What's next? Are ya still going to be angry?

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ramborage Mar 30, 2026 +1

Yes. They will still be angry. Because their lives are still going to suck. They aren’t mad at brown people, they are mad because they know damn well that they aren’t good at anything worthwhile.

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CSAtWitsEnd Mar 30, 2026 +1

Less so that and more that their lives have gotten materially worse over the last...idk like 5+ decades and the promise of the "American dream" is not materializing. However, instead of looking at what the root causes are (wealth extraction in basically every corner of the market, social benefit cuts, etc) they get told a lie ("it's the minorities!") and believe it because it's easier and / or that lie "confirms" their fucked up worldview.

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RealAssociation5281 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Fascism always needs an enemy.

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kaigem Mar 30, 2026 +1

Anyone who has ever met an Iranian knows that this statement is patently false. Iranians party hard.

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caseyanthonyftw Mar 30, 2026 +1

It's absolutely asinine, but understanding that people living under a dictatorship have a different perspective on life and happiness would require a level of empathy that these people have shown time and time again that they are sorely lacking.

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OkRush9563 Mar 29, 2026 +49

Yep, I'll believe it when I see it. Cause after the first term some idiots saw all the awful and said "yeah 4 more years of that!"

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JessieJ577 Mar 29, 2026 +41

After 2024 I don’t believe these headlines. Any frustrations with Trump by his supporters are temporary because at the end of the day they’ll unite behind him.

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jmelloy Mar 30, 2026 +15

Yea they’re still racist fucks who hate women. It’s fine. They’ll hug it out.

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viktor72 Mar 30, 2026 +5

Yea. I walk by the same house every day with their Trump shit still flying high including a drunks for Trump flag.

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Long_Confidence_4996 Mar 29, 2026 +329

> Schulz voted for Trump in 2024 partly because he didn’t trust Democrats with the economy and partly because he considers the Democrats to be pious and annoying. We’re going to get another Republican recession because these idiots think the Democrats are bad with the economy.

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l3tigre Mar 30, 2026 +159

oh DEMOCRATS are annoying??? not this demented old jackass constantly screaming into the void 87 times an hour???

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BrightAnalysis1955 Mar 30, 2026 +1

You could give the democrats infinite time and they still won’t be as annoying as Elon Musk is on any given day.

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toxiamaple Mar 30, 2026 +1

It is "annoying" to be wrong. When they are around other magats, they can tell themselves they are right, regardless of the evidence.

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soapboxracers Mar 30, 2026 +1

Republicans won't shut up about their Christianity- WTF do they have a problem with piety?!?!?!

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No-Consideration-858 Mar 30, 2026 +1

The pious and annoying thing is an actual problem. Some dems engage in a extreme purity testing, are demeaning, and unable to compromise. It is indeed annoying (even though I'm on the same side). I have two acquaintances who left the presidential vote blank because of this. Don't shoot the messenger, I am still disappointed and disgusted.

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Aggravating-Wrap4861 Mar 30, 2026 +1

This is always comparing the loudest voices on Twitter to the other side's administration though. Fairly extreme people on the left said "a vote for kamala is a vote for genocide. So don't vote" As a comparison, Trump himself has said the most outrageous lies and horrible stuff, is in the Epstein gives etc etc.. And mainstream voices on fox news etc have spouted those lies as well. There's no comparison when it comes to things kamala or Biden said, or what "left" mainstream news was saying. So, it's not that you're totally wrong about this stuff, but I think that this issue is a real beat up, fuelled by right wing bots.

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Internal-Length-5975 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Yeah I'm with you. There are some really annoying Dems out there, and like you I'm on their side. They just need to pick their battles better instead of engaging in constant virtue signaling.

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C_est_la_vie9707 Mar 30, 2026 +609

These dumb motherfuckers will continue to be dumb motherfuckers in November. I am not part of the bridge building coalition. That bridge was burned by them long ago and I'm just perimenopausal enough to enjoy watching them fall into the water.

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Smishysmash Mar 30, 2026 +1

I’ve been hearing since Bush Jr. about how the GOP is in a death spiral because they pursue policies that only end up benefiting rich white men. These guys are complaining now, but when the next oligarch rolls up wanting their money and support, they’ll still put out because democrats will still seem “pious and annoying” to them. Rinse and repeat.

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Tango_D Mar 30, 2026 +1

From my observations, the working class conservatives will accept increasing hardship and subjugation so long as that which is 'other' is kept beneath them in the social (racial/ethnic/gender) hierarchy. They know they're getting fucked. They are fully aware that the GOP is an all power and wealth to the rich at all costs establishment. They know that corporate greed is choking their beloved mom and pop small town world to death. They know that Trump is the exact opposite of all that they say they stand for and is openly corrupt. They know it all. Yet they continue to line up and vote for the machine that is choking them in the name of corporate profit because the other option is to vote for a democrat and, I say this with zero sarcasm, they would rather cast the Earth into the sun and have no more planet than vote for a democrat. The team sports tribalism is ABSOLUTE and above EVERYTHING.

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bozwald Mar 30, 2026 +1

Exactly, no they are not turning on Trump - they’re treading water until the next Dem nominee is announced and then it’s right back onto the fascist trenches again…

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literacyshmiteracy Mar 30, 2026 +1

Spend your time building bridges with like-minded individuals.. much more productive use of your time and much more preservative of your mental health

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iduff01 Mar 30, 2026 +61

And there are those of us just sufficiently manopausal to join in your enjoyment.

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GoSpaceTruckin Mar 30, 2026 +1

As well as those of us who are post menopausal but have always enjoyed a bit of schadenfreude!

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Revolvlover Mar 30, 2026 +17

From your fingertips to God's ears.

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RealAssociation5281 Mar 30, 2026 +1

I don’t trust any of em, but good luck to people who do

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_Phil_McCracken_ Mar 30, 2026 +1

Trusting maga is like saying: “I trust the red hot stove top not to burn me next time.”

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Pixel_Knight Mar 30, 2026 +1

Exactly. They may not be voting Republican in the November election, but the next time they see someone else be “the exact right amount of cruel” to “the exact right people,” they will be voting for him, and I say him because these misogynist man-children will never vote for a women and will never possess the emotional maturity to realize that voting for one could actually even be in their own self-interest, because they are incapable of seeing that far into the future.

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Spamgrenade Mar 30, 2026 +104

MAGA realising that they are also "military aged men".

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maskedbanditoftruth Mar 30, 2026 +51

Aw but they said they liked trad shit.

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Glass_field-42 Mar 30, 2026 +1

And they loved cosplays tough guys with guns! They’re finally getting what they want

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Unicorn_Sparkle_Butt Mar 30, 2026 +1

"but dude, It was SO f****** funny to vote for trump.... that look on your face when the world burned and everything got worse... lolz" I hate this place

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notapoliticalalt Mar 30, 2026 +1

I do actually think this is more relevant than perhaps some people might think. Now, I do actually think that there is more to unpack than this alone. One thing that’s really important to maga is aesthetics. Essentially, they want the appearance of something, whether or not it’s true. But the problem is, if you put yourself in a position where something has to be tested, well, the thing you want to believe, may not actually be true. As such, I think this, along with some other things are basically forcing a lot of people, both men and women, to Face the fact that a lot of the things that are promoted by stereotypical gender norms actually really suck. In particular, if you want to establish this “alpha warrior“ ethos, but then are troubled by the thought of going to war then it kind of tells you something you don’t want to have to face. Anyway, the problem here is that all of these people are frauds or want to be fooled to varying degrees. What is going to collapse? The Maga coalition is having to actually confront reality, which, for something like a war, is not easily just covered up with another lie and bravado. Of course, there will always be people who say the sky is green and 2+2 = 5, if Trump says so, but a lot of people are going to have some parts of their identity tested and they are going to find that they don’t actually like or want it.

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vaskov17 Mar 29, 2026 +474

Being in the "manosphere" is turning them into jobless incels and now there's a risk they are going to die in Iran fighting for Israel and a pedophile. There's not much to like about that

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Gtraz68 Mar 29, 2026 +172

Idk probably worth it to own the libs.

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hikeonpast Mar 29, 2026 +49

How can they know if they don’t at least try it for a tour of duty?

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JagmeetSingh2 Mar 30, 2026 +18

lol exactly the type of mentality they have, i bet you this turn on trump doesn’t last long the “manosphere” is too stupid

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MurderBeans Mar 30, 2026 +78

Draftmaxxing.

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GhostofZellers Mar 30, 2026 +39

Warmogging

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BriefCollar4 Mar 30, 2026 +13

May they reap the fruits of their hate

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NCMathDude Mar 30, 2026 +22

Please send them all to Iran. This is a chance for them to be real alphas

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XSinTrick6666 Mar 29, 2026 +16

So 'manosphere' cool w pedophile draft-dodgers, that bomb girls' schools and lie about it? Maybe they should change the name to bunchasickdix.

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Original-Clue-3364 Mar 29, 2026 +6

Omfg LOL. Such a good take. It’s so true now that I think about it. Jobless, incel, gym bros

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Wahjahbvious Mar 30, 2026 +53

Every single one of these groups that (supposedly) turns on Trump does so for exactly one reason: they thought he was only gonna hurt Someone Else.

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benchcoat Mar 30, 2026 +96

they will never ever ever ever ever back a Dem, and they’d rather see a full on nuclear holocaust that back a Dem woman

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benchcoat Mar 30, 2026 +62

ask any of them if they regret boosting Trump over Harris in ‘24 every single one will say “kamala would have been worse”

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benchcoat Mar 30, 2026 +23

cone this November and in ‘28 and they’ll all find reasons to push the GOP again

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Aggravating-Wrap4861 Mar 30, 2026 +1

"well to be fair, Jake Paul is nothing like Trump and this country needs to get back on the right track. I don't agree with everything Trump did but we need to move on. Let this country heal under president Paul! In Jesus's name!!!"

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the2belo Mar 30, 2026 +80

The teenage penisphere needs to get used to sitting in the dung heap they created when they voted in these baboons for teh lulz. They are acting *exactly* like the high school juniors who just got their learners' permits and are trying to impress their friends by driving 90 mph on a crowded expressway; what we've now reached is the part where they flip end over end, ejecting all their passengers in a jumble of body parts. Oh, how could such a thing happen.

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heartandmarrow Mar 30, 2026 +34

They will not turn. It will transform into something else awful.

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WentBrokeBuyingCoins Mar 29, 2026 +125

The manosphere is going to Iran :)

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DantifA Mar 29, 2026 +52

Iranosphere

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InfiniteWinter26 Mar 30, 2026 +37

lol sounds like a shitty always sunny episode

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Aggravating-Wrap4861 Mar 30, 2026 +1

The Gang dies due to massive blood loss after being struck with a shahed drone.

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HopefulSurveys Mar 30, 2026 +1

It’s always sunny doesn’t have shitty episodes especially if the name is even close to that. They could definitely help with the Fuel Crisis.

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ICBanMI Mar 29, 2026 +9

Even with the lowered standards for the military, they are still going to be too stupid to get in normal. The draft is the only way they'd get accepted.

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Kokopelli_Squidward Mar 30, 2026 +12

Few years back the army and marines got in trouble for illegally giving out too many asvab waivers, (too stupid to pass the test-waived) so nah. They’re already in

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ICBanMI Mar 30, 2026 +1

That's -------- insane considering the asvab is stupid easy.

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timcurrysaccent Mar 29, 2026 +95

Manosphere are being sent to Iran to work on diemaxxing.

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icontranquilis Mar 30, 2026 +26

Mhmm. They'll fall in line when it comes time to vote. Or when a "woke" does something they don't like. Because there's nothing more alpha and free-thinking than following the demented whims of a makeup-wearing pedophile obsessed with other men's dicks.

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joystick-fingers Mar 30, 2026 +11

Of course it did. They were willing to go and die for him until now when they are realizing that they might have to actually go and die for him.

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EBXLBRVEKJVEOJHARTB Mar 30, 2026 +24

rebranding as centrists to harvest a fresh a crop of idiots

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rockytop24 Mar 30, 2026 +1

>One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan,"The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" >I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... >The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. Carl Sagan, same f****** book

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Rotanen Mar 30, 2026 +1

The manosphere deserves to be destroyed. It's nothing but a bunch of misogynistic grifters selling sawdust pills and shining lasers up their asses.

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Comprehensive_Web862 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Who gives a f*** the add nothing to society. Seriously kick rocks I'm so f****** past this performative bull shit. The manosphere is the most weak performative pick me shit that just roots it's self like a cancer. Seriously if you feel attacked by my words, good! The world needs some introspection.

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HGLatinBoy Mar 30, 2026 +1

Manosphere my ass. Those assholes don’t speak for real men. Real men stand up for this country, protect our mothers, daughters, sisters and anyone else who is disparaged. And we don’t turn little boys into disrespectful assholes. Those dudes are nothing but cowardly weenies that are destroying this country just to get rich.

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ctothel Mar 29, 2026 +6

Only took them 10 years to realize they should have listened.

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1000AdamantAdams Mar 30, 2026 +7

Apologies not accepted. We will always remember what you did.

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plightro Mar 29, 2026 +28

0 days without a "The _____ turns on Trump" article

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SoulsDadYT Mar 29, 2026 +5

I'd be embarrased to tell people 'I'm part of the manosphere' so i guess this is a big step.

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BigNorseWolf Mar 30, 2026 +5

"Do you feel a draft?" "That thing only old people feel?" "Nope... the other one that only young people feel." "Oh. OH SHIT"

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Skieth9 Mar 30, 2026 +1

I'll believe it when I see it

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rasa2013 Mar 30, 2026 +1

I don't understand the appeal the manosphere has... Frankly, they're the type of men my grandfather (who raised me) would consider pretty unmanly. Being a man was about honor. But honor wasn't getting angry at petty shit and getting into fights. Honor was fulfilling your promises, **taking responsibility for mistakes**, doing the right thing especially when it's hard. Being a man was about duty, but not blind devotion or rigid hierarchy. Duty was carrying the burdens of your family *because you love them*. It was showing up when life pulls you in lots of directions. It was checking in to make sure they're doing alright. I could go on. It's not like he lived up to his own ideas, but just like any parent, he wanted me to do the best I could. That's literally what he said, everyday when he dropped me off at school from elementary to high school, "Try your best. That's all we ask." Manosphere men do not try their best. They are dishonorable. They are unrepentant when they're wrong, too emotional when merely questioned or challenged, especially by a woman. They have no sense of duty beyond their wallets and egotism.

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CrustyTh3Punk Mar 29, 2026 +6

They’re turning on Trump only because even those morons know if the incel fanbase turns and the 14yr old boys leave they won’t be able to buy a Bugatti in the UAE anymore. They are hedging their bets in keeping the same content and values as Trump but just getting rid of Trump as a brand. Which is a different flavor of delicious but nothing that will effect society for the better at all.

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quarkjet Mar 30, 2026 +6

Ha. The "man" osphere is afraid of being drafted.

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walksonfourfeet Mar 30, 2026 +1

Correction: the Boyosphere

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wildmaninid Mar 30, 2026 +1

Ahh, the dumbfuckosphere !

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SiebenSevenVier Mar 30, 2026 +1

"The manosphere". "Looksmaxxing". It's the cringiest timeline in history.

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BaldBombshell Mar 30, 2026 +1

"nonideological guys who love free speech and are drawn to politicians who seem anti-establishment and, maybe more important, *anti-woke*. (The podcaster-comedians Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, and Dave Smith all fit somewhere in this camp.)" Mediocre White Morons is what they're called. Not one of them could actually define "woke" if their life depended on it.

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purplebrown_updown Mar 30, 2026 +1

They’re all so f****** stupid. Current tech has given rise to the dumbest people alive.

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Auzziesurferyo Mar 30, 2026 +1

>Perhaps predictably, some of this Iran-related criticism has veered into anti-Semitism. A number of Trump allies—including the conservative commentators Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, and the white-supremacist influencer Nick Fuentes—have suggested that the president was manipulated into the war. Its not antisemitic to disagree with the government of Israel ffs.

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usrlibshare Mar 30, 2026 +1

Yeah, no they aren't. Sorry no sorry, but weve heard that cope before, with pretty much every group under the maga umbrella. Guess what media: Come the election, they'll vote for him again. It's a cult. And cults.dont do "rational".

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WintersChild79 Mar 29, 2026 +14

The price of toxic masculinity is suddenly too real for them.

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lingeringneutrophil Mar 29, 2026 +10

I’ve never heard about any of these people so I’m not sure what segment of the population they truly represent

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PaxDramaticus Mar 29, 2026 +7

Young men who are loud about having nothing to say, and will spend hours on a podcast making sure they're heard saying it.

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DiegoGarcia1984 Mar 30, 2026 +1

The “manosphere” can f***- and let me say this loud and clear- aaaall the way off. I really don’t care what anyone who represents or is a part of that bullshit thinks about anything at all.

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Accomplished-Run221 Mar 30, 2026 +7

I’ll never trust any of them again. They pushed for fascism and celebrated its arrival.

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AngellWinkk Mar 29, 2026 +3

No one stays untouchable in public opinion forever.

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superslinkey Mar 30, 2026 +3

TLDR..Manosphere not interested in being drafted

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IMGcertified Mar 30, 2026 +3

Manosphere sounds more gay than a proud gay man confident in his circle.

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LunchyDude101 Mar 30, 2026 +1

From what I understand, only kids turn on Trump.

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throwaway3113151 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Is it just me or does the manosphere not seem very manly? Like back in the day wouldn’t all these guys be called metrosexuals?

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_jumping_john_ Mar 30, 2026 +1

Hopelessly shallow thinkers. So easy to con out of their money and they thank Trump for doing it. Boyosphere bros still don’t get that tariffs are a tax. On them.

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midnightzoomies11 Mar 30, 2026 +1

They’re afraid of getting drafted and acting like real alpha males

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dvn_grhm Mar 30, 2026 +1

yeah but if some other idiot grifter came along with the same shitty vibe they’d jump right back on board with that guy. just not liking one person anymore does not mean you’ve totally changed your beliefs.

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SimthingEvilLurks Mar 30, 2026 +1

If anything, they are preparing to save their brand. If Trump magically became super unpopular with his base, these guys need to be prepared to save their grift, because I don't see them going to a normal job. It's too easy for them to con people.

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Tribe303 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Those cowards don't want to be drafted. Then they can't spend their time looking at themselves in the mirror all day and jerking off to it. 🤣

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NADSBC Mar 30, 2026 +1

Man discovers compulsive liar who has been lying compulsively has lied...well that's a shocker...

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Tummler10 Mar 30, 2026 +1

Divide and Conquer. That was the play; it worked. Don’t be duped again, folks.

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Wheredmypaycheckgo Mar 30, 2026 +1

I’ll believe headlines like this when he and the politicians who signed their power over to him stop winning elections. I’ve heard how people have “turned” on him for years with nothing to show for it.

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