The revisionist history attempt of people trying to gaslight others into believing Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad were "slow" is insane.

This seems like the thing that you should have responded to the person who you were arguing with via comment, instead of dragging all of the television sub into this

i feel like if you're gonna use the word gaslight so flippantly you probably shouldn't use the word insane so flippantly too

I mean, BCS is slow in my opinion. It took me multiple tries to get through the first season because I think it’s so poorly paced and takes a long time to really get interesting. Your opinion isn’t the objectively right one

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Anything is slow to iPad babies who are now growing up.

I thought Pluribus was amazing. Can't wait for season 2.

Sorry, they began slow then and are still slow to start now. It took me several tries to get thru Breaking Bad and I could never get thru S2 of Saul. It’s not revisionist, it’s just history.

Watching BCS as it came out I remember a lot of people saying it was slow. Take a breather.

Breaking Bad wasn't slow but BCS absolutely was, my brother.

BB pilot is a rocket launch, sure, but BCS is absolutely a slow-burn character study. “Slow” isn’t an insult by default. Maybe Pluribus just isn’t your flavor of slow.

People are allowed to feel differently about the things you like. I loved both shows but the criticism some people had of it being slow is absolutely valid.

No joke so we just finished BCS last month...At one point there was an episode where things felt like we took a minor time jump forward, but we just assumed they were trying to move things a bit faster to fit it into the season before the shows finale. Everything made enough sense that it was fine but just felt an odd decision by the show runners. After the credits rolled on the episode, i realized my wife had accidentally skipped TWO entire episodes. So the next two days we went back and realized 'huh..absolutely nothing was lost by missing those two episodes. Everything we discussed and assumed was 100% accurate' We enjoyed it, but it was slow enough that missing two episodes you didnt lose the plot

Pluribus came and went. Didn’t make a cultural imprint and less people probably will watch second season. That’s just how it goes. Not everything from a particular creator is a homerun. Some are just singles and doubles.

getting real sick of people taking any opinion different from their own as being "bots" or marketing.

I found season 1 of BCS to be incredibly slow. Purposefully and beautifully so. But I've been known to be insanely inaccurate.

I was so bored with maybe the first 3 seasons of saul Eventually I thought it became really fun show to watch though

Inaccurate. I watched breaking bad from day one. It was widely viewed as "good but really really really slow" up until season 3, and then it took off, in both viewership and pacing.

BCS is slow. It moves faster than Pluribus but it is slow.

When we talk about a 'slow' story, what we're really talking about is the passivity of the protaganist(s). It's not so much that they're not unraveling the mythology of the show but that they're not really doing much but reacting to it. In the era of episodic broadcast TV, you didn't have 'slow burn' stories because no one would sit around and watch a show where nothing really happened week after week. So even when you had an overarching story, the protagonist(s) were still doing *something*. A good example of this would be Babylon 5. It has an epic, overarching story. However, it is told in an episodic format where each episode had a largely self-contained story where our protagonist(s) were doing something even if it only peripherally involved the epic arc. However, what we shouldn't forget is that 'slow' is a generally an example of bad storytelling. It's what happens when the author can't figure out a way to explain their world to you in an interesting way so they just essentially lore dump on you. Imagine watching Star Wars and, instead of jumping into the action, they gave you 20 minutes of scrolling text to explain the entire background of the universe. That would be an example of 'slow' - and an example of bad writing. The 'burn' part is merely an acknowledgement and defense of 'slow'. It indicates the claim that all that time you spent slogging through passive content will ultimately be worthwhile. It's a half-hearted compliment at best. Neither Breaking Bad nor Better Call Saul is a 'slow burn'. They involve active protagonist(s) from the get-go. They may not reveal everything right away but you don't need to know everything - you can just follow the action.

What’s really insane is how Listnookors will go to such lengths to hate on Pluribus when it is so clearly an evolution of the writing and especially the directing of BB/BCS. I can’t help but assume the haters are all homophobic and/or just plain sexist… because Rhea Seehorn being the main character and that character being a lesbian are the only real difference from the Breaking Bad universe when it comes to the care and craft Vince Gilligan puts into his works. Like if you enjoyed BCS and you enjoyed the character of Kim Wexler, then you’re getting more of the same but even better with Pluribus.

if breaking bad is art then god help us, said critic richard brody.

People have been saying Better Call Saul is slow since 2015, my guy.

I want to agree with you but as someone who watched BB and BCS live from the get-go, I was hard pressed to get anyone in my life hooked on either show the way I was, especially in the first two seasons, because a lot of people did feel it was “slow”. You can personally disagree that it was slow (I didn’t feel it was either) but claiming it’s “revisionist” of people to be saying that is blatantly incorrect. EDIT: Looking at viewership, BB quite literally didn’t become a phenomenon until late S4. It’s not unreasonable to classify that as a “slow start” for a show.

BCS was absolutely slow, slow enough that I gave up on it. Not interested in Pluribus so can't tell you if it's as slow or whatever, but BCS was absolutely slow. And I'd call the first season of BB relatively slow, particularly compared to the later stuff. And you thinking this is some bot conspiracy is a mental health issue.