Give England a referendum, Westminster can f*** off.
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Sad_Sultana14 hr ago
+1
I want English devolution, as an englishman.
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Ultra_Metal22 hr ago
-40
Anyone pushing for Scottish independence is really just working for Russia. Russia has been pushing separatism, racism, antisemitism, religious extremism, far left extremism and far right extremism worldwide in an effort to get democracies to tear themselves apart for the benefit of Russia.
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Greedy-Cranberry-16416 hr ago
+10
Its also funny many pro independence twitter (X) accounts go offline when various questionable regimes implement internet bans
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UrineArtist21 hr ago
+43
The Scottish independence movement is democratic in means, center left, anti-racist, irreligious and the first thing it would do if successful is apply to join Russia's biggest enemy, the EU.
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PeacefulExplorer6844 hr ago
+1
Scotland takes more from Westminster than it gives. It would run at a loss or it would have to stop many of the benefits it provides.
You also wont get into the EU. Not a strong enough economy, and Spain would block due to not wanting a precedent for Catalan.
Downvote out of pride, sure, but that's all the vote is based on
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Kenye_Kratz4 hr ago
+1
Applying is one thing, getting in is another. Scotland ain't getting into the EU 👍
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Sad_Sultana14 hr ago
And they would be immediately blocked from joining by Spain
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Ultra_Metal21 hr ago
-43
No, it is a puppet of Russia. Their goal is to break up the UK in order to weaken NATO.
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UrineArtist21 hr ago
+27
No, the goal of the Scottish Independence movement is an independent Scotland in the EU and NATO.
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RudyKnots19 hr ago
+13
Wasn’t the first referendum all about Scotland *not* wanting to leave the EU?
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lurker17c19 hr ago
+2
The Scottish referendum was 2 years before the Brexit referendum
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me_ke_aloha_manuahi17 hr ago
+14
Yes but one of the big points anti-independence proponents kept reiterating was that Scotland would be forced out of the EU if they became independent. Brexit was, somehow, a spit in the face of the Scottish pro-Unionists and the pro-independence camps because the pro-independence crowd politically are more left-wing and pro-EU.
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Ultra_Metal21 hr ago
-35
No, the goal is to weaken one of Russia's most powerful historic adversaries.
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Muad-_-Dib20 hr ago
+16
While Putin would welcome it, let's not act like removing 5.5m people from a nation of 70m people would criple the uk and then subsequently NATO.
I'm tired of people using Putin wanting something as if the mere mention of him completely invalidates any nationalist point.
Argue the actual facts of independence, the economic impacts, the successive right wing government's that Scotland has not voted in favour of but had to endure over the last 70 years, being dragged out of the EU against our will, what currency Scotland would use, what trade barriers would be put in place with England and how they could be overcome if it was even possible etc.
Don't invoke that bald prick as if him liking an outcome or not should be the only matter worth considering when millions of people want a right to determine their futures.
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ForgingIron20 hr ago
+5
Doesn't Scotland house most of the UK's nukes?
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UrineArtist17 hr ago
+1
Yeah the only deep port that can operate the UKs trident subs is in Scotland and its location is vital to NATO for patrolling the GIUK gap which is also vital to Scotland's maritime security too.
I mean its all hypothetical.. but as Scotland would apply to join NATO, you'd expect an agreement with NATO and the UK to continue using it as a prerequisite to membership. It wouldn't be the most popular decision domestically but given the current geopolitical climate (i.e. Russia acting like a massive d***), most people would accept it as a necessity.
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tree_boom17 hr ago
+1
It's not that Faslane is the only place that **can** house the subs, but it's the best by a considerable margin.
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Muad-_-Dib17 hr ago
+1
Regardless of what the most ardent anti-nuclear nationalists have stated, the reality is that an independent Scotland would likely strike a deal with the UK over continued use of HM Naval Base Clyde and RNAD Coulport as leverage during talks on trade, debt division, currency, borders etc.
At worst, it would be a temporary lease that would give the UK the 10–20 years needed to relocate the current arsenal to new sites built in England or Wales.
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stervi220 hr ago
-2
I don’t think there’s any country in the world who would brush off losing land and 5.5m people. It would be devastating for the rest of the UK, and would reduce our standing in the world
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0b001116 hr ago
+3
It's not completely unheard of though. Countries break up from time to time Czechoslovakia just did it in the 90s with no issue and Yugoslavia did it but there was fighting.
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Muad-_-Dib17 hr ago
+4
I never claimed it wouldn't have any impact, I said it wouldn't cripple the UK and deal a death blow to NATO as if Scotland was the lynch pin stopping Russia from dominating the world.
The UK would continue to be one of the strongest economies in Europe, it would still be a nuclear power, it would still have a population of roughly 64.5m, it would no more become irrelevant than when Ireland got its independence.
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bs-martin17 hr ago
+12
Russia wants Scotland to enter the EU?
Did you eat lead paint chips as a child?
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Greedy-Cranberry-16416 hr ago
+5
Sad you’re being downvoted. It will clearly cause a large amount of harm to both countries, exactly what Brexit has done to the UK and something Russia was clearly for.
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JDNM16 hr ago
-10
Ok bot.
The WEF and UN do all that. Russian cities don’t have ‘barricades of peace’ around their Christmas markets unlike every city in Europe.
The Westminster system is a parasite that is feeding off England, Scotland, Wales and NI.
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