>they will be ***asked*** to isolate upon their return home
Well, I can't see this going wrong at all... /s
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dbbk5 days ago
+488
I can't wrap my head around why this isn't a mandatory quarantine? It's hardly that many people
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Gobbyer5 days ago
+83
I used to work as a cleaner in a nursing home (pre-covid). If some of the residents had some highly contagious disease, it was forbidden to lock them in their rooms, instead they just wandered everywhere and contaminated everything.
Nurses used to put a flower sticker on sick residents doors as a sign of contagious disease, but it was later forbidden, because "it was insulting"
Only way to know if some room was safe to clean, you had to find some nurse and ask for a list of safe rooms to clean.
Well, whole cleaning crew got norovirus and vomited from both ends for a week.
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Trick-Marionberry-134 days ago
+22
This is dangerous, inconsiderate and backwards! Sorry for you and your colleagues. Some jobs don't get sick pay.
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malianx19 hr ago
+1
Did you just not clean rooms with possible infection? Or use lesser safety precautions? Which leads me to mention noro is only communicable fecal to oral.
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TrumpsAKrunt5 days ago
+32
Did you see what happened the last time the English were asked to wash their hands?
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Bruvvimir5 days ago
+55
What’s mandatory quarantine? Detaining them?
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dbbk5 days ago
+303
Yeah on a military base like Madrid are doing
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ShibbyTheScrub5 days ago
+186
I came to post this. We all know what happened the last time people were “asked to isolate”.
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maqbeq5 days ago
+43
Spanish gov said 14 Spaniards are going for a voluntary quarantine too, [not mandatory](https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-government-under-fire-handling-hantavirus-ship/)
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OverlappingChatter5 days ago
+44
There was a whole 3 minutes spot on this on the Spanish news yesterday. According to channel 6, there *are* ways they can legally force them to quarantine, it takes 24 hours to enact the requirement and they *will" be using this if they need to.
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+12
Should it happen, rusmagabots and far-right will be losing it all over social media
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Shopworn_Soul5 days ago
+22
> rusmagabots and far-right will be losing it all over social media
Implying there is ever a time when they aren't
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voodoo11025 days ago
+112
Yes! They've been in close proximity to someone who has died from a deadly* pathogen. You can't just hope they'll stay indoors for a bit. If we'd taken Covid seriously and stopped international travel as soon as it became apparent, it wouldn't have become a pandemic in the first place.
Is it an inconvenience for one person? Yes. Is it preferable to half the planet getting infected? Also yes. So why not? They're not gonna be shackled upside down in a dungeon. It's a few weeks of all-expenses-paid isolation to ensure the virus doesn't spread. But no, sure. Let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best instead.
*edited from "highly infectious" as it is apparently not as contagious as reports led me to believe. Thanks to u/BathFullOfDucks for the correction.
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Usedand4sale5 days ago
+74
Lets not forget that people sometimes don’t have a choice in this so it needs to be made for them.
Gov says please stay home, boss says goodluck paying the rent.
Honestly countries should have laws for this. Work protections, paid for out of house childcare etc.
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quildtide5 days ago
+4
Calling your boss with a "hey, I just got off my plane with the Hantavirus lady, and I have cold-like symptoms, but I'm ready for my shift tomorrow," is a surefire way to get your company to implement an improvised paid medical leave system if they don't already have one.
If they try to fire you or put you on unpaid leave, just insist that you're healthy enough to show up for work. Most bosses will eventually cave if they think they're facing a risk of catching a funny cold with a 40% mortality rate and no vaccine.
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Usedand4sale5 days ago
+11
Yeah nah, I think we’ve seen enough evidence of managers telling you to come in. (They’ll probably wfh for the next few weeks tho.)
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swiftmen9915 days ago
+7
That’s very optimistic. During Covid people were being asked into the office all over the place
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BelleRouge67545 days ago
+2
This was exactly what I did with my workplace, which required people to either come in to the office or call in sick (unpaid) even if they had Coronavirus, despite the fact we already worked 2 days from home because we were hybrid workers so it obviously wouldn’t affect work. I had a different infection that was basically loads of boils, very contagious and it wasn’t responding to antibiotics. I messaged my manager to say that I was technically ill but felt perfectly able to work, told her exactly what I was ill with, and asked if maybe I should work in the office meeting room that day to prevent infecting others. She told me that I could work from home😂
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Sailor_Propane4 days ago
+2
I've seen stories of managers insisting people infected with COVID come to work, and said managers ended up dying from it afterwards... So yes, they're willing.
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Old_Dude_945 days ago
-4
The biggest scam ever was the government sending out stimulus checks instead of just cancelling rent nationwide for the length of the pandemic
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-Th05 days ago
+5
I bet this actually sounds like a good idea in your head.
Do mortgages just get suspended too? And then lenders just take the hit? Or do we print even more money to keep them whole as well?
Life seems simple when you can only see 5 feet in front of you.
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Old_Dude_944 days ago
-5
Maybe I can make you realize how dumb this comment actually is (I'm not hopeful though)
You asked "Or do we print even more money to keep them whole as well?" What do you think the stimulus checks were bright boy...??
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-Th04 days ago
+3
You moron. I said “print EVEN MORE money”. That very clearly implies that I know money was printed already. Clearly you, very stupidly, support the idea that we should have printed even more and just stopped all rent and mortgage payments. Thank f*** someone with your IQ wasn’t making that decision.
This comment chain could not have made you look more dumb.
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Old_Dude_944 days ago
-1
But I will try and explain it to you anyways
If you cancel rent/mortgage then you don't have to write the stimulus checks to everyone when you shut the economy down (although you'd probably need to increase some other form of assistance if you're already lacking in that area). You'd be right that private equity and banks would take a hit in this, but that's exactly who should take a hit when a global pandemic shuts down the economy that their investment based businesses are built around. Otherwise the taxpayers and workers and families do... I can guarantee you're an American right wing/libertarian because only people with those political views could be as politically ignorant as you are
-1
Old_Dude_944 days ago
-2
The decision makers are clearly very competent and intelligent. If you think that you're not only a f****** moron, you are beyond help for it
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ChrisFromIT5 days ago
+53
Highly infectious with a high morality rate. We honestly should be treating this like the SARS response back in the mid 2000s.
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Alexis_J_M5 days ago
+13
One of the Canadian SARS outbreak clusters was caused by someone who couldn't afford to take the day off work.
And that's a country with publicly funded health care.
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Fudgel_ist5 days ago
+36
morals aside, also high mortality rate
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Jale895 days ago
+6
It's not truly highly infectious though. It requires close contact, much more so than respiratory diseases. So the situation is a little bit more like the monkeypox outbreaks than those.
A response is warranted, and steps are being taken. I do think the quarantines should be mandatory. But let's not also blow this out of proportion. The EU already gets between 1000-2000 cases a year, albeit the endemic variants in Europe are not the one with human to human transmission. Here in Denmark it's almost entirely associated with the rodents in the south of Funen.
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Future_Literature_705 days ago
+22
It is highly infectious on the day when they get symptomatic. There was a medical study showing a case in which a man infected 6 people just by sitting near them and talking to one of them on the way to the bathroom (Argentina, 2018). It's no joke.
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+2
1m 30min. The odds are so-so imo
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lookingup95 days ago
+2
It’s not really highly infectious by disease standards, but yes it’s very deadly so obviously needs to be taken extremely seriously.
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New-Mastodon13075 days ago
+13
It is legal in west to send people to war in case of an attack, do many limitations in case of war, kill hundreds of civilians as "collateral damage", but somehow detaining a few people is a horrible humans right problem.
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Mountainenthusiast25 days ago
+9
We’ve learnt nothing! Asking will not work
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WalletFullOfSausage5 days ago
-2
It’s the expenses paid part that’s difficult. Who’s paying that? The govt *should* but obviously won’t. How can you force someone to stay home for weeks when they’ve got rent to pay or children to feed? That’s not just an inconvenience for them, that’s a violation of their rights - you can’t just cut off someone’s income simply because they’re sick, not unless someone has a plan to pay their bills for them in the meantime.
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IllustriousAirBender5 days ago
+19
Lol - what was the actual cost of COVID compared to this?
Look - you might make the planet sick and 30% of them might die. Sorry - you are literally a threat to humanity. It just 45 days many countries lock downs were worse.
Also these people chose a somewhat risky vacation and likely able to handle this better than most.
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WalletFullOfSausage5 days ago
+2
Yes, these people specifically, sure. I’m speaking in more general terms, though.
During Covid, I was lucky enough to gain unemployment benefits while others simply lost their jobs. During that, none of my costs went down. Food went up, rent stagnated, so on and so forth. If I hadn’t been fortunate enough at that time to be laid off from a company that was willing to pay unemployment, I’d have been homeless. Others did. My point is that, when it gets there, you can’t just destroy someone’s entire life because they are sick. Needs of the many, I get it, but if I hadn’t had benefits, do you suggest that I should have become homeless and lost everything because I wanted to continue paying my bills when I should have been quarantining? That’s the issue at hand. Unless the government wants to protect its citizens, it can’t force isolation while also forcing poverty and financial ruin onto someone. That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face, because we all know poor folks see doctors less and therefore pose a *greater* public health risk in the long run.
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New-Mastodon13075 days ago
+6
Why would it be ok to violate those rights in case of a military attack then?
And you would not be allowed to walk around with a time bomb attached to you, what is the actual difference with walking around with a biological weapon attached to you?
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WalletFullOfSausage5 days ago
I’m not sure what you mean. Could you clarify? My comments make no mention of any military-anything.
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New-Mastodon13075 days ago
+6
Just saying that the law is not consistent. A person is not allowed to walk around with a mechanical deadly weapon and would be detained, but apparently is allowed to walk around with a deadly biological threat.
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WalletFullOfSausage5 days ago
+1
Oh, I gotcha.
That’s definitely an argument to be made. I would say, though, that intent has a lot to do with how those things are treated. Some folks - especially poorer folks without good healthcare access - might not even realize they’re contagious and therefore aren’t operating with terroristic intent, just from a place of either ignorance or absolute necessity. I’m not sure that same logic can be applied to those who would brandish a firearm.
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Rezenbekk4 days ago
+1
> How can you force someone to stay home for weeks
...with force. It's in the name.
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W0gg05 days ago
+1
Then there’s the added problem of who’s going to do their job while they’re on sick leave? Most employers only allow two weeks, if that, not the 8 weeks required for Hanta. Then they’ll either have to fire them and hire someone in their place or hire a temp.
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WalletFullOfSausage5 days ago
+1
Exactly. In the US, there’s FMLA to protect your job - but that doesn’t ensure your job is done while you’re away. What if you work some semi-critical role?
I wholly believe we should be able to stay home and avoid these pandemics, but it’s also not just that easy of a solution. Some of us aren’t blessed enough to ever even consider taking more than a few days off work at a time, because otherwise we’d lose our homes.
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W0gg05 days ago
\>Some of us aren’t blessed enough…”
Oh, yeah, I know all about that. I’d be homeless and hungry within a week.
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Alexis_J_M5 days ago
Blood samples show that COVID was already global before we realized the scope of the problem.
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BathFullOfDucks5 days ago
-5
How is hantavirus "highly infectious"?
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voodoo11025 days ago
+2
I stand corrected. The media have been making it out to be as easily spread as Covid, which is apparently not true. I will edit to avoid further misinformation.
However - there is still a known risk of this individual having been exposed to the virus. The need for a proper quarantine program is as vital as it ever was. We learned jack shit from Covid, and it's only a matter of time before something else starts spreading everywhere - whether it be hantavirus or another Covid strain or whatever. We just don't take the threat seriously because it's an inconvenience.
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Oracle-of-Guelph5 days ago
+8
Like Ellis Islands had a contagious disease hospital etc.
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cr1zzl5 days ago
+4
… were you not paying attention to what was happening during Covid?
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Mountainenthusiast25 days ago
+7
Yes! Other countries in Europe are doing it so why can’t we? Much better that way to contain it instead of politely asking if they would be consider it. Especially if they’re having a chartered plane lol what’s the point of going to that effort to then just ask them to consider isolating if they feel like it
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Same_Win_58985 days ago
+4
Having someone check daily that they aren't leaving their house to spread.
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unlmtdLoL5 days ago
+1
Offer them money to prove they are quarantining. See how fast they comply.
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Ok-Interview-99734 days ago
+1
[ Removed by Listnook ]
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Responsible-Cap-83115 days ago
+1
Absolutely should
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DragoxDrago5 days ago
-3
Because it has incubation time up to eight weeks/two months, realistically it's impractical to rotate exposed people through two months of quarantine.
Regardless, there's a lack of human to human transmission through minimal contact/air exposure. Only human to human transmission is very direct prolonged contact. There's been 8 confirmed cases, this is extreme fear mongering and over reaction based on scientific evidence so far. It's a situation to be monitored, but we won't realistically know a lot for at least 3-4 weeks.
-3
Noughmad5 days ago
+6
It's not impractical now when it's a total of ~20 people.
It will be impractical if/when it spreads.
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User-no-relation5 days ago
-5
No one has been confirmed to have hanta virus who wasn't on the ship. It just isnt that contagious
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Wiseduck55 days ago
+1
Exactly. Which is why you would quarantine them. You quarantine a healthy person for the length of the incubation period to confirm they don't actually have the disease.
If they are sick, you isolate them until they recover. Or don't.
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
-2
Human rights, freedom etc
-2
Mountainenthusiast25 days ago
+39
The asked is pissing me off. Do your job properly public health, make it a requirement.
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aDogNamedMagic5 days ago
+4
Don’t know if it’s the case here, but ordering and enforcing quarantine may be a responsibility outside of public health agencies or may be a responsibility delegated to public health agencies by the main governing authority of a country. So the public health agency may make recommendations and advise governing authorities but may also not be able to enforce those recommendations. Again, not familiar with the isolation and quarantine laws in UK so not sure if this applies here - just sharing for awareness of the possible nuance.
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Hot-Delay56085 days ago
+5
Asked nicely that is, so they'll surely comply
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fuzzbook5 days ago
+1
Especially as they are probably all boomrts if it's a cruise. No way they will bother to isolate
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tonyt3rry4 days ago
+1
we all know how those fuckers stayed indoors last time.
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normalbot99994 days ago
+1
I'm saddened by how apparently relaxed the authorities are about this. Human rights are important but think how many people were affected severely by Covid. Could it have been better contained? Maybe. Should we be better at dealing with potential pandemics post-covid? Certainly.
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DrMcDingus4 days ago
+1
If we're lucky they'll end up making a offensive post online and getting locked up.
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Budget-Abrocoma31615 days ago
+200
As usual, instead of actually making sure it doesn’t spread, they just let them go home and ‘self isolate’. Ridiculous.
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Aleksandrovitch5 days ago
+6
What's that definition of insanity again?
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thegibsongirl035 days ago
+64
A third British national has suspected hantavirus in connection with an outbreak on board the cruise ship MV Hondius, the government has said.
The patient is currently on the remote Atlantic island of Tristan da Cunha, where the ship stopped in mid-April.
Two other British men have confirmed cases - one remains in a stable condition in the Netherlands after being evacuated from the ship on Wednesday, while the other remains in intensive care after being flown to South Africa last month.
Five cases of hantavirus have been confirmed, including one of the three passengers on the cruise who died.
The MV Hondius is expected to dock in the Canary Islands at the weekend, where the government has confirmed it will be met by a chartered plane to fly the remaining British passengers and crew on the cruise ship back to the UK.
Although none of the remaining Britons are currently displaying symptoms, they will be asked to isolate upon their return home.
British national Martin Anstee, a 56-year-old retired police officer and an expedition guide on board the MV Hondius, was evacuated to the Netherlands on Wednesday alongside a 41-year-old Dutch crew member and a 65-year-old German.
He remains in a stable condition and told the BBC that he was "fine".
Another British passenger, 69, has a confirmed case and was medically evacuated to South Africa at the end of April.
He remains in intensive care and has been said by officials to be "doing better".
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jphamlore5 days ago
+92
> Although none of the remaining Britons are currently displaying symptoms, they will be asked to isolate upon their return home.
Like I asked in another, shouldn't there be a legal framework by now to compensate people for going into de facto prison for weeks at a time?
Because I'm going to guess the type of person to go on such cruises might not be the type of person to scrupulously adhere to isolating themselves at home for weeks.
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Initial-Return88025 days ago
+106
Don't really care about what they think tbh, we learnt this already from covid, people don't self isolate anyway.
Since this is so small and so far tracable, gather them plus all contacts and put them in a guarded hospital.
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Muted-Marionberry3285 days ago
+37
I really have to stress this point, when covid first hit the Boris government forced all arrivals from Wuhan to isolate in student accommodation they appropriated like what you said. This was fine.
All the sudden we've changed our minds with our quaratining practices and are relying on infected people to self isolate, with presumably their family members who aren't asked to self isolate? This is stupidity at its finest.
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Bob_Svagene5 days ago
+11
I think it's fairer to say _some_ people don't self isolate. It's definitely the norm but some people won't do it. Just like you may see litter in a lot of places but most people don't litter.
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CumGuzlinGutterSluts5 days ago
+35
Everyone's all "its different its spread through close proximity"
I dont know about most people but I find it extremely difficult to not be in "close proximity" of many people like for most of my waking life.
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Flimsy-Sprinkles73315 days ago
-12
Some of us are saying "it's"
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CumGuzlinGutterSluts5 days ago
+5
Who gives a shit my man
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BathFullOfDucks5 days ago
-27
It isnt spread through close proximity it is spread through rodent excreta.
On a ship, with poor ventilation and enclosed spaces it is infectious because you cannot help but breathe in that excrta. You also cannot get rid of rodents entirely.
It is not spread by person to person contact.
This is doom engagement.
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lrpfftt5 days ago
+22
Haven't health officials confirmed that this the specific strain here is Andes variety and it does spread human to human though not easily.
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BathFullOfDucks5 days ago
-30
No, they have not. Where are you getting this from?
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Protato9005 days ago
+27
You are objectively wrong. read almost any news article on the issue.
[WHO confirms Andes strain of hantavirus in cruise ship passengers, with 3 transferred from ship for treatment | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/hondius-ship-hantavirus-andes-strain-9.7189281)
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CumGuzlinGutterSluts5 days ago
+6
We've known this for like a week....
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Ill_Focus_5974 days ago
+2
This information is in quite literally any article or news story or mention of this entire outbreak.
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TheTrollerOfTrolls5 days ago
+21
I agree that it would be great to have some social support for these people.
But seriously, prison? Worst case it's like house arrest. Very, very different from prison.
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jaanku5 days ago
+3
What makes you say that?
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m1ster_frundles5 days ago
+6
>Tristan da Cunha
seem like a good place to isolate, maybe stay there
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desmonea5 days ago
+93
Yes, we already had a plague, but what about a second plague?
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Prestigious_Load16995 days ago
+29
I don’t think he knows about second plague, Pippen.
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pervertsage5 days ago
+14
We fucked the dressed rehearsal up so we're in trouble if something really nasty starts spreading uncontrollably.
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terminalxposure5 days ago
+6
You laugh, but this is wierd even on a biblical scale. During Trump’s term twice
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Ishouldreddit5 days ago
+2
This is Madara Uchiha's doing.
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gpigma885 days ago
Honestly, let’s just go for it. I still got plenty of stock from covid.
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CapricornOneSE5 days ago
-2
Bring back the plague.
-2
ballsmigue5 days ago
+48
Before people keep freaking out...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/new-hantavirus-case-suspected-on-remote-island-as-contact-tracing-continues/ar-AA22GtqA?ocid=nl_article_link
The flight attendant everyone was worried about has tested negative along with the other person close to the wife of patient zero.
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RickThiccems4 days ago
+5
To be fair I think it's better for people to freak out a bit than to take it as a nothing burger similar to the start of COVID.
I see it more as a natural trauma response that people are having due to the last pandemic.
It's infinitly better to be worried and causes than not at all.
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mcfurley5 days ago
+10
So far…
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ballsmigue5 days ago
+5
Yeah, let's not be doomers about it all.
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mcfurley5 days ago
+11
We can’t all be ostriching either.
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ballsmigue5 days ago
+3
Its not. Its called not assuming the absolute worst case scenarios cause who tf wants to live life like that.
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mcfurley5 days ago
+10
Acknowledging that an ongoing situation is 'ongoing' isn't doomerism, it’s just literacy.
If the tests are negative today, that’s great. It just doesn't change the fact that contact tracing is still happening for a reason.
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Illustrious-Grl-79794 days ago
+1
Yay!
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CrackingToastGromet5 days ago
+41
I’m
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DeepInHippos5 days ago
+52
So true, bestie.
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mcsquared7895 days ago
+37
Hantavirus got em
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momothereal5 days ago
+11
blue
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DeepInHippos5 days ago
+5
Daba
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LahLahLand36915 days ago
+2
Dee
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Jaaaa95 days ago
+1
Daba
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Taran9665 days ago
+1
Die
Edit: why’d I get downvoted for this? I wasn’t telling anyone to die, it’s part of the lyrics 😭
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Jaaaa95 days ago
+1
It’s Listnook
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M1str3ssOfTh3D4rK5 days ago
+1
Goodbye.
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Welshgirlie25 days ago
+41
FYI, the KLM cabin crew member that was showing symptoms has tested negative. Could just be a cold, flu or mass hysteria.
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elhumanoid5 days ago
+84
Didn't we learn anything from the previous season? If I'm not mistaken, it was well known ahead of time that the cruise ship is carrying infected individuals, so why the hell were they permitted to leave and go on spreading if this is such a dangerous strain of said virus?
Currently pretty disappointed in these new episodes this season, I hope they'll step up their game going forward. Goddamn.
Edit: this is also exactly how conspiracies/theories are born, because leadership/authority in these matters seem to be f****** dumb as hell, so no wonder people start think it might be intentional. Like c'mon man, shut it down.
How much of a logistic nightmare could it be to just dock the thing to a port, cater and treat the people while they're quarantined and the situation is handled? As opposed to a potential shit show of a mass outbreak.
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jupituniper5 days ago
+48
It says this person got off the ship in April and the cause of death for the first person who died wasn’t known until early May. I think it has been a similar story for all of these people who have returned to their countries of origin. The first person who died was an older man, there probably wasn’t anything initially suspicious about his death and the alarm bells only started ringing when his wife also died. By that time a many people had already disembarked in various ports. This is very normal for cruises.
I think the problem with docking the ship in order to supply and treat people while they quarantine is that none of the islands that are nearby will permit it.
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elhumanoid5 days ago
+7
Alright fair enough. The islands not permitting a diseased ship to port does make sense, I mean I can understand why they'd want to steer clear of it. It's a sticky situation, Tenerife is a shitty location for a medical operation. I wonder if they'll send medical vessels to aid and if they'll be quarantined onboard.
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+5
They are going to evacuate passengers. The Spanish citizens will be flown to Madrid, others will be handed to their countries.
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Myst3ryGardener5 days ago
+2
One of the problems with docking is that if there are rodents on the ship that are carrying, they may disembark and spread the disease to a new place.
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ViciousNakedMoleRat5 days ago
+38
You're right that this is how conspiracy theories are born. Because what you're saying isn't actually true.
These passengers disembarked the MV Hondius on 24 April. The cluster of infections was reported to the WHO on 2 May after Hantavirus was first confirmed in a South African lab.
The first fatality on the ship occurred on 11 April, but, at the time, it was assumed that he died of natural causes. A single fatality on a cruise ship isn't rare enough to raise any red flags and trigger a thorough investigation into potential virus infections.
After this incident, it took two weeks for the next severe case to emerge, the wife of the first case. She had some gastrointestinal symptoms at the time of disembarkation on 24 April, but no other issues. She still managed to take a flight to South Africa on 25 April, but, after transferring to a KLM flight back to the Netherlands, her symptoms worsened to an extent that made it necessary to remove her from the plane. She ended up dying that same day.
Her case was the first to be confirmed Hantavirus by the South African lab on 2 May.
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elhumanoid5 days ago
+6
Ok thank you. But I wasn't really saying anything, mainly asking questions- which you kindly answered here.
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Oracle-of-Guelph5 days ago
+7
Learn? The United States has a devolved with that lunatic Kennedy in charge.
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Cristoff135 days ago
+3
RFK and his supporters are eager to put into effect the lessons they think they learnt from covid.
Namely, that pandemics aren't real, they're a media driven panic. Vaccines and quarantines are tools used by the Deep State to control the public. In the event of a pandemic, reassure the public nothing is wrong and ignore it.
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snarky_spice5 days ago
+2
No joke someone on my Facebook already posted “if there is a Hantavirus vaccine I won’t be taking it.”
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Mushoz5 days ago
+6
In The Netherlands people who were aboard the airplane with the sick woman who passed away do not need to isolate, even if they are showing symptoms. Article in Dutch here: https://nos.nl/artikel/2613466-ziekenhuizen-nijmegen-en-leiden-stellen-hantavirus-vast-bij-opvarenden-cruiseschip
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Flimsy-Sprinkles73315 days ago
+10
Am in Europe and will be masking on public transportation until the all-clear is given.
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ummmm_nahhh5 days ago
+6
35%-40% mortality rate is gonna kill a lot of stupid fuckers that make this political.
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BorgsCube3 days ago
+1
the dramatic swing the other direction post 'woke' era is unfortunately going to make a lot of people not care about pandemics or climate change at all and call us doomers
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nojjers5 days ago
+30
Why does this make me feel nervous?
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gpigma885 days ago
+15
ptsd
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NopeRope135 days ago
+19
If we don’t learn from our past then we are doomed to repeat it
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BoredGuy_v25 days ago
+4
Premonition
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xhxusj12345 days ago
+5
I really wish I hadn’t read The Hot Zone right now
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No_Aesthetic5 days ago
+4
*Crisis in the Red Zone* is Preston's superior work
*The Hot Zone* severely overstates the symptoms and effects of Ebola and Marburg
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OneWoundHeadPat5 days ago
+4
Ah, money forces the issue. 6 week incubation, how many people did Third Guy chat with?
I'm as interested as the folks not quarantined in CA, that is AMAZING to me, we are normally so paranoid with serious viruses. Somebody wanted the summer tourism cash, well, you'll get something for sure.
\*looks at N95 stack\*
We ride again, old friend.
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Soberdonkey695 days ago
+7
Can they force isolation and monitor them till they’re better before we have another pandemic please?
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PrincipledNeerdowell5 days ago
+6
Guys guys guys, nothing to worry about. It rarely jumps between people and the leathality is only 30-40%.
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lyn735 days ago
+12
I heard that tickets for this cruise cost $100-125K.
Rich folk sure know how to be selfish and f*** things up!
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possibly_maybe_no5 days ago
+9
I thought it was closer to $20k, which is much more standard for small ship in those remote areas.
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lyn735 days ago
-3
who knows...but is that supposed to make it any better?
-3
snarky_spice5 days ago
+7
Um yeah? You guys are implying these people deserve to suffer and die because they have money. It’s not even a joy cruise, it’s one to explore animals, remote islands and part of the planet people wouldn’t normally see. I think there are worse things to spend your money on and as the other user said, it’s nowhere near what you said.
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C1andestino5 days ago
+3
Is there a website for this cruise?
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vossmanspal5 days ago
+3
It’s the UK, what could possibly go wrong here?
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fuzzbook5 days ago
+3
This ship needs to detour through the Bermuda triangle
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Ognius5 days ago
+13
Yup im sure theyll voluntarily self isolate after taking the tube home from Heathrow and coughing on thousands and thousands people on their journey home. We’ve already seen that this Hantavirus variant can spread in tight confined spaces like a plane. Next we’ll find out it can spread on subways too.
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Jetztinberlin5 days ago
+24
> We’ve already seen that this Hantavirus variant can spread in tight confined spaces like a plane
No. We haven't. It is now confirmed that the flight attendant is negative for HV and has a cold.
Please don't fear monger.
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Miss-Information_5 days ago
+6
We don't know that it spreads in spaces like a plane *yet.* The problem is that we won't know for another week or so because of the incubation period
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mysterymathpopcorn5 days ago
+3
I wonder who this third is. That island is really small, like 200 habitants or something like that. Could it be the local doctor or something like that?
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pewpewpew885 days ago
+2
Ask my f****** hairy ballsack. What the f***? Why is it not mandatory? They want a f****** pandemic to happen or what?
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indrek915 days ago
+3
Asked? Put them in boxes untill cured ffs.
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Jazzlike_Quiet99415 days ago
You'll have forgot this existed in 2 months
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Flimsy-Sprinkles73315 days ago
+4
One can hope. Until then, I will remain cautiously optimistic, but still mask-up on public transportation.
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RegularHeroForFun5 days ago
+3
They said that about covid but we got millions dead and 2-3 year ordeal. The only thing i trust the WHO and CDC for anymore is to tell us when its already too late. Especially with all the anti-vax hacks in power
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Jazzlike_Quiet99415 days ago
There's been many of these before and after COVID. COVID is the anomaly. There was a media fear mongering campaign of a virus in the UK just a month ago, guess what everyone's forgotten already.
This cannot produce a pandemic.
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RegularHeroForFun5 days ago
+3
“This cannot profuce a pandemic” as an engineer anytime someone speaks with absolute certainty or says “100%” they are bullshitting. They will 100% downplay this to “keep the markets stable”. The world is run by people who dont care how many bodies they walk on as long as they are not in the pile.
It is better to be optimistically cautious and prepared than to watch it unfold and be apart of the panicking masses.
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Jazzlike_Quiet99415 days ago
+1
You know there's 100s of things like this, before and after COVID. Always forgotten about and amount to nothing. Experts say it can't produce a pandemic, media spreads fear. I'll believe the experts as they're usually right.
We had one just a month ago that everyone forgot about. Feel free to be unnecessarily scared, it's your immune system you're weakening with fear, and in turn making you more likely to get anything.
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RegularHeroForFun5 days ago
+1
The experts were fired and defunded, the experts also disagreed whether covid would spread or not. Even with experts it can still happen. It spreads the same way as covid, it can evolve and become more contagious
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Jazzlike_Quiet99415 days ago
+1
That's a really simple yet incorrect way to look at it. It does not spread like COVID, like, at all. Were you also freaking out about the new meningitis scare last month? (Much more contagious btw, yet we're fine)
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DBCooper755 days ago
I do love how you, yourself, used 100%.
I am very worried and the trauma response from Covid is real but I’m trying not to get too panicky.
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RegularHeroForFun5 days ago
+1
Ok fair, highly likely to downplay this situation to keep markets stable. Whats our next excuse to gaslight ourselves into thinking this is “gonna be ok and theres now way it’ll blow up”
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Independent-Big19665 days ago
This is going to snowball...
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RayoftheRaver5 days ago
+7
Keep yourself scared! More like..
and that website is poison
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Tall-and-Dutch5 days ago
+4
F*** this website. It redirects to a spam advertisement
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