What doctors know about how the Andes hantavirus spreads
https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/06/health/andes-strain-hantavirus-explained
> Palacios said the window for transmission of the Andes virus appears to be short, about a day. People are at their peak of infectiousness on the day they develop a fever ...
> During the 90 minutes he was at the party, he infected five others, including two people sitting roughly a foot from him at the same table and **two people who were sitting roughly 4 feet away from him at neighboring tables. The fifth person to catch the virus crossed paths with the patient only briefly on their way to the restroom** ...
> "... It’s an unusual person-to-person event, and it might have happened because, perhaps, of a closed environment on a ship,” said Dr. Lucille Blumberg, an infectious disease specialist who is the former deputy director of the National Institute for Communicable Diseases in South Africa, of the cruise ship outbreak.
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Godherebros5 days ago
+6544
Doesn't sound like close intimate contact only
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh5 days ago
+175
The question is, *how* does it spread? COVID spreads through the air, so it matters a lot whether you were in the same room for a long time.
If this spreads primarily e.g. through fomites (contaminated objects), it might be that they shared a buffet or restroom.
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Enough_Plate58624 days ago
+40
I read it can be spread on surfaces and in the air.
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PuzzleheadedTea2682 days ago
+8
It says a party, which heavily implies light snacks and food was being served. If there were communal utensils such as tongs to grab food then that would explain how
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aspophilia5 days ago
+4605
Yeah 4 ft is not intimate. Simply walking past someone's table is definitely not intimate. They are really trying to downplay it. Do I think this will end up being Covid 2: Electric Boogaloo? Not really. Not at this point anyway. But there is a potential. I ordered a giant bottle of hand sanitizer and a box of masks just in case. Better safe than sorry.
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Nigel_Thirteen5 days ago
+1975
Don’t forget cases and cases of toilet paper
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chamorrobro5 days ago
+1901
Tru, I be shiddin
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Muffinlette5 days ago
+1089
We got a bidet during COVID. Been power washing our buttholes ever since! 10/10 would recommend
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Dramatic-Tackle51595 days ago
+628
That's one good thing that came out of covid. More people walking around with clean, power washed buttholes.
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Whogivesashit_really5 days ago
+179
You still need TP though.... Unless you got a fancy one with a warm air butthole dryer
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Good_Restaurant155 days ago
+158
You can just walk around a bit and let it dry, before you pull your pants back up.
e z p z really
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Past_Paint_2255 days ago
+65
Yep I have a fancy bidet with a dryer and I just never use it. I just shake my ass like a dog after the deed is done and pull up my pants. Works 100%
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Dastardly65 days ago
+123
Oooooh mr fancy! I use the hose in the garden like any self respecting Englishman!
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[deleted]5 days ago
+25
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DanielCraigsAnus5 days ago
+83
I swear, whenever I use toilet paper out in public, I feel like a neanderthal. I love my bidet, I wish they were on every toilet.
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Willingfool5 days ago
+31
Just like cursive hand writing wiping our ass is going to be a lost skill.
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bdepz5 days ago
+47
I feel so unclean when I have to poop without a bidet. How did I exist for 30 years using paper to smear shit around my butthole
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sharrrper5 days ago
+104
I live in my shed now because my entire house is filled with toilet paper
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[deleted]5 days ago
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mailslot5 days ago
+187
In epidemiological contexts, intimate contact includes close proximity (within 6ft) for a prolonged period of time (15min). Sexual activity is not required.
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grosspersona5 days ago
+228
You sound just like my wife
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drifty_bun4 days ago
+48
Did u forget to take out the trash
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the_king_of_sweden4 days ago
+12
Seems a bit extreme to get rid of the wife just for that
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_JustAnna_19924 days ago
+19
Can confirm you sound like that guys wife.
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UF0_T0FU4 days ago
+23
That was part of the problem with early Covid. Epodemilogists can't just use the regular, plain English meaning of words. They use words that have completely different meanings as jargon in their field, and the public walks away confused.
Case in point was saying Covid wasn't airborne. Yeah, you can still catch Covid in the air. It spread through the air. But it didn't meet some technical definitions that no one cares about. Telling people it wasn't airborne just created needless confusion.
Saying hantavirus only spreads through intimate contact is going to get people killed if this blows up. Being 6 feet away from a stranger for 10 minutes isn't intimate. Calling it intimate doesn't help anyone understand how it spreads.
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Dog-boy4 days ago
+8
So sort of like if you were on a plane with an infected person travelling home from their cruise?
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quicktime_harch4 days ago
+5
So like… my commute on the subway if this thing were to get going. Cool.
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DurtyKurty5 days ago
+325
The shitty thing about Covid was basically when they were saying they had it contained on a ship and in reality it had already spread to probably 10’s of thousands of people in the mainland US.
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scrappybasket5 days ago
+312
Yeah I’m convinced I had it in late December 2019
Edit: I was visiting New York City before I got it. Tested negative for flu. Felt exactly like the other times I got covid but worse. Legit thought I was going to die one of the nights
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Mediocre_Ear_99815 days ago
+178
Pretty convinced a load of us at work got it in Jan 2020. We all got a cold that worked it's way around and knocked us all out for a few days each. A few of us commented at the time that colds don't usually hit us like that.
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MedicineConstant71305 days ago
+71
In October 2019 in Texas I got hit terribly, felt like I was going to die, couldn’t go in to work for two weeks, when all the other times in my life I’ve gotten sick it was unheard of me to call out- all my coworkers even commented on it. I never felt anything like it, until I got Covid “officially” again in 2023. No one believes me about the first time.
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michaelfrieze5 days ago
+72
Me and my partner LIKELY had it in December 2019 here in Detroit, Michigan. She’s a kindergarten teacher and one of her students had just gotten back from China sometime in late November. The student was sick and was missing a lot of school after that. It could’ve been some other virus, but I’ve tested positive for Covid three times since then and it felt similar, but even worse. I was incredibly sick for like a month.
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Upstairs-Chicken5925 days ago
+55
They’d never said it was contained on a ship. There were people sick on cruise ships and they had to quarantine and go through hell. But they never said covid only lives on these ships.
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fighter-bomber5 days ago
+62
**Edit: I’m talking about the article that’s linked in the comment above, however, the article in the post does say that. My bad.**
Well, good thing that at no point in the article it is claimed to be spread through “intimate contact only”. It just says that its transmission rate is far lower, backed up by the evidence. So I don’t see where the “downplaying” is.
The shitty thing with covid was that it had an insane transmission rate, and that it could spread during the asymptomatic incubation period (up to 2 weeks). Since this doesn’t have that (Edit: can spread up to 2 days before symptoms, again, far lower then that with covid), I can’t see any downplaying in action.
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HenryDorsettCase475 days ago
+48
Right. A seemingly perfectly healthy person could be walking around and unaware they were spreading it to people. A few days later they get sick and stay inside for a couple days. If it only spread during the time you are feeling shitty and running a fever then it would’ve been much more manageable.
But then you of course still have your run of the mill morons to deal with. During the height of the pandemic my brother’s company was doing social distancing and mask and the normal procedures. They had one guy come in, sign the sheet that says he isn’t experiencing any symptoms, and go to work. Half way through the day he asked to go home because he said he’d been running a fever for the past 24 hrs and he thought he might be sick. Said he wasn’t sure what it was, but everyone in his household currently had Covid. 🤦♂️
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fighter-bomber4 days ago
+6
Firstly, I have to add, I was initially referring to the wrong article. I was referring to the article linked in the comment, while they were talking about the article in the post (where it does say that). This is my bad.
Now, sure, those people exist, but as far as I know, when they talked about how contagious a virus is and compare it to others, those factors are balanced. So, Covid was this bad because those people existed and Covid was very contagious. These people still exist, but this one is explained to be less contagious, so it can’t be as widespread.
Having such a high death rate also works against it, virus spreads best from individuals walking around and coughing and sneezing and whatever, not dead people.
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Canacarirose5 days ago
+23
This article is talking about the original Andes outbreak from 2018.
The 4ft dinner story was missing context of this infected being at someone’s birthday party for 90 minutes. We don’t know if this was a house or a restaurant.
What if it was a kids restaurant like Chuck E Cheese we don’t know but if it was Covid it would be worse.
Also the infection window in that outbreak was the 24 hour period when the patient’s had a fever.
This was a small outbreak though so that infectious period can change when we know more
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Rayman12035 days ago
+229
So during the peak of infectiousness it’s like that. However you are infectious for longer than that. During these times it’s close contact. That’s how I understand it based on the article
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shingdao5 days ago
+92
Also from the article:
>There is very little experience handling this virus.
To suggest anything is usual/unusual in terms of transmission is based on a very small sample of cases (<300).
There are unknown unknowns. It may not become the next pandemic, but we don't know yet.
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HauntedCemetery5 days ago
+54
If only we had some sort of pandemic preparedness team to help assess that kind of thing.
No, that would be foolish. Better to not be prepared.
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Sherry_Brandt5 days ago
+8
that's my motto!
jk, I don't have a motto, because that indicates thinking about guidelines for future behavior, and I hate that
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Famous_Cod_61905 days ago
+717
I know a lot of people that would go to social events with a fever, just to not miss out. I hope WHO does include massive human stupidity and selfishness in theire calculations.
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root-node5 days ago
+168
So running towards the zombies, right?
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soggy-hotdog-vendor5 days ago
+179
More like pulling your shirt sleeve down over the bite mark because you're in denial.
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Crypt33x4 days ago
+25
Denial? More like: "let's party for the last few hours of my life, f*** everyone else."
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OfficeSalamander5 days ago
+30
Man I always thought the "people will hide their zombie infection from others" and "people won't take zombies seriously" as unrealistic, before.
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SoylentGrunt5 days ago
+77
It's called FREEDUMB and they serve it at Applebee's!
\-domestic terrorists that did everything they could to infect as many people as they could with Covid because an orange shit gibbon they worship told them to
edit-spelling. don't type angry
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Pinku_Dva5 days ago
+11
That’s an insult to gibbons, they’re beautiful animals, the orange though, not so much
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MostlyRightSometimes5 days ago
+23
I knew a guy that got bit and it wasn't that bad. If you look online, there are a lot of remedies that you can use so someone won't turn into a zombie. Honestly, everyone is making too big a deal out of it. I'm going to live my life the way I always have. I'm no woke p****.
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vince_irella5 days ago
+50
I think after Covid we all know a lot of people like that.
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Pho3nixr3dux5 days ago
+40
>I know a lot of people that would go to social events with a fever, just to not miss out.
These are the kind of aggressively extroverted weirdos that have helped normalize agoraphobia.
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Keiteaea5 days ago
+61
Going to a social event with a fever and trying to get home whole grieving and repatriating your husband body is different though. She did not know at the time that his death was a cause for alarm and if it was ruled a normal death it makes sense that she would try to get home as soon as possible.
All people criticizing the lady without the full understanding of the situation as if they would have acted differently is just another brand of lack of awareness.
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MistakeEastern54145 days ago
+8
bruh, here in germany and austria people go to work with a fever. they would rather spread a deadly virus, than take a day off 😭
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TxM_24045 days ago
+914
Oh, so that one one woman basically took a flight at the hight of infectiousness? Great to know.
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Zetavu5 days ago
+247
The FA that they thought was exposed was not BTW [https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/flight-attendant-tests-negative-hantavirus-new-case-suspected-remote-i-rcna344191](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/flight-attendant-tests-negative-hantavirus-new-case-suspected-remote-i-rcna344191)
Much of what everyone is reading is media hype.
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sgthombre5 days ago
+104
I feel like people are weirdly desperate for this to turn into a global crisis just to prove that they're savvy. It's bizarre.
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iforgotmyuserr5 days ago
+671
Yep 🙃 she allegedly had to have multiple passengers and staff help her off the plane because she was too sick to walk on her own. Very smart selfless person.
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mokomi5 days ago
+29
Haaa, that brings me back to the days of covid. Where people had week long flu and needed help. Ugh, I hate my state.
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AuroraFinem5 days ago
+163
This isn’t entire updated. They updated their infectious period to up to 2 days prior to symptoms and 5 days after for tracing.
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dear87265 days ago
+39
Now that is quite concerning!
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oneonus5 days ago
+284
We'd know even more if not for [Trump administration cut funding to study hantavirus, the virus behind the deadly cruise ship outbreak](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-administration-cut-funding-to-study-hantavirus-behind-deadly-cruise-ship-outbreak/)
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knightmeh5 days ago
+82
his timing to being president is cursed if both times he was sworn in, a pandemic happened
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Spursy_McSpursface5 days ago
+67
I don't know much about Anti-Christ lore, but the A-C raining down plagues on the world as he guides it to destruction feels like it fits.
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_Thick-4 days ago
+22
Look into it, it's actually wild how much he shares with it.
His fathers name was Christ (Fred Christ Trump)
He used to own 666 Fifth Ave.
His followers wear his symbol on their foreheads. (maga hats)
False peace bringer/warmonger. (how many "wars" has he "ended" while also attacking Venezuela and Iran, multiple times for Iran now.)
Seven trumpets sounding the apocalypses. (Trump + Pence in his first term.)
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Zulmoka5314 days ago
+8
He also just unveiled a golden statue of himself and held religious services around it.
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HauntedCemetery5 days ago
+14
If the Potomac suddenly turns red we need to make some pretty intense choices.
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TABOOxFANTASIES5 days ago
+6
Let's not forget the Epstein file emails between Epstein and a scientist friend about creating a deliberate pandemic and also his other discussions about "how to get rid of poor people". It wouldn't shock me if viruses are just a method of population control. With covid hundreds of thousands died..
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thatsthefactsjack5 days ago
+17
If memory serves, a majority, if not all, of his administration ended up contracting COVID-19...and still have not learned from their gross mistake. I wonder if they'll survive through "herd immunity" this go around.
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i_ata_starfish-twice5 days ago
+62
This reads like a paragraph from The Stand
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DannySanWolf075 days ago
+4900
Dr. Van Kerkhove also stressed, "This is not coronavirus. This is a very different virus that has existed for quite some time. This is not the beginning of a Covid pandemic; this is an outbreak we are observing on the ship, occurring in a confined area."
"This is not the same situation we faced six years ago. It does not spread in the same way,"
Saved you guys some stress.
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wearentalldudes5 days ago
+1287
But why do they keep saying confined to the ship? That isn’t true anymore, is it? Or am I misunderstanding what they consider confined?
Surprisingly I’m not a doctor, so I really don’t know.
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koopcl5 days ago
+875
Hanta is actually kinda difficult to spread, it dies pretty quickly in sunlight, and person-to-person spreading is very rare.
Im also not a doctor but come from southern Chile where the virus is (relatively) common and I grew up with enough warnings, infographics, lessons at school and the Boy Scouts, etc that this shit is drilled into my brain. I was honestly surprised once I moved to Europe and learned the virus is actually super rare and my (area of my) country is one of the few places where it's something to worry about.
For us the big danger was the spread due to rats, but the most common precaution is simply "don't go into dark, damp places like locked warehouses without first airing them out and letting some sunlight in" and that's it. There's some deaths occasionally but it's rare enough that it makes the news whenever it happens. So I assume they keep saying "confined to the ship" in the sense that it could more easily spread in such an enclosed environment, but there's no real risk of mass spread once you reach the mainland, the virus would simply not survive in the open. It's been kind of wild seeing people panic due to PTSD from Covid, the disease sucks but it ain't gonna cause a pandemic. It's like reading about someone spreading rabies to a bunch of passengers in a cruise: Sure, it sucks and should be looked after, quarantine some people and whatnot, but there's no real risk of a worldwide spread due to the nature of the disease itself.
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Sunsparc5 days ago
+153
> it dies pretty quickly in sunlight
Oh great, going to get suggestions about shining sunlight up our asses from the President again.
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Tipsyt94 days ago
+48
Instead of drinking bleach, just bend over bare ass
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PizzaInMyBread4 days ago
+11
Boof some rays, brah!
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summonsays5 days ago
+451
"During the 90 minutes he was at the party, he infected five others, including two people sitting roughly a foot from him at the same table and two people who were sitting roughly 4 feet away from him at neighboring tables. The fifth person to catch the virus crossed paths with the patient only briefly on their way to the restroom ..."
Getting infected walking past someone has got to be either really bad luck or it's more infectious than they're saying.
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TropoMJ5 days ago
+311
I think you need to widen the lens you are viewing the situation with a little. The quote you're using here is referring to an incident that occurred years ago. And you are correct, the spread that occurred in that incident does suggest the virus was reasonably easy to spread.
What you are not considering is that the outbreak then... didn't really go much further than that. If the virus was easily spread then the people who contracted it at that party would have gone on to spread it to a large number of others themselves, who then would have spread it further, and then we have a pandemic. This didn't occur because there are limitations to how easily spread the virus is.
We need to be careful with this situation and monitor if there is any kind of evolution in the virus but the fact that it's been around for so long and has never meaningfully spread beyond one area, nor ever become a huge problem in that area, suggests that the existing wisdom about how it spreads has merit.
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slugmorgue5 days ago
+109
Also the explanation is still vague. 90 minutes at a party sitting down on a table doing what? Just.. sitting the entire time? Didn't get up, go over to the other table, laugh loudly, shake hands, hug, etc?
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Actually_Abe_Lincoln5 days ago
+106
They were playing a game where they were trying to see who could spit into someone else's mouth the furthest distance away
No time to do any of that, he spent all his time ensuring he was always exactly 1 foot away from two people and 4 feet away from two others.
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Gunnvor915 days ago
+53
Agreed. And this quote is likely based on a re-retelling of the event. People forget or miss things. Additionally, pathogens with high mortality rates don't tend to be effective in causing pandemics. Even in cases of Ebolavirus - an exceptionally contagious droplet disease with generally a higher mortality rate - is self-limiting. It doesn't mean that it can't devastate local populations, of course.
Pathogens with high pandemic potential tend to be easily transmissible with low rates of mortality. Pathogens with high mortality rates and low transmissiability tend to cause severe localized outbreaks.
Covid-19 was also a virus with high transmissiability and low mortality. But we still saw as many deaths as we did due to population sizes. Probability at play.
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ntsp005 days ago
+23
There's a specific window the virus is most infectious, after incubation when viral load is at its highest and you first begin showing symptoms. Presumably that's when Patient 1 spread the virus at the birthday party. The authors of that study specifically talk about it in the text:
> Our findings traced the first person-to-person transmission event to a birthday party with approximately 100 guests. **The index patient (Patient 1) attended the event for 90 minutes and was reportedly symptomatic at the time, with fever and malaise**. Five persons (Patients 2 through 6) who had been seated close to Patient 1 reported onset of symptoms consistent with ANDV hantavirus pulmonary syndrome between 17 and 24 days after the party (Fig. S3).
> The time of symptom onset is also critical. In 17 of the 33 (52%) secondary transmission events, **transmission from an infected person to a contact who later became infected could be accurately established as the day of onset of fever in the primary case, and the first day of fever was the only time during which there was an interaction between these patients** (Table 1).
Later the authors even analyze the lack of virus transmission among the healthcare workers that performed operations on and cared for the patients with varying use of PPE.
You really have to do more than draw conclusions from random snippets.
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SzotyMAG5 days ago
+9
Sensationalist headlines also don't help. The last thing we need is another mass hysteria. On listnook everyone also jokes about rushing to get TP, I get it, but can people be level headed for once instead of playing into the panic for fun?
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jcar495 days ago
+126
6 years ago...
SIX?
HOW!?!
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appleparkfive5 days ago
+87
Almost 7, even. They always warn you that time speeds up as you get older. But it's really hard to understand it unless you experience it yourself
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13_twin_fire_signs5 days ago
+16
Personally I think it's because each new unit of time is a smaller and smaller percentage of your life, and so becomes less and less impactful generally, plus the overall reduction in novem experiences as you age.
When you're a kid literally everything is new, and each year is a huge chunk of your life, so your brain is constantly "slowing time" as you process novel things.
But once you're an adult, theres not much new stuff anymore, plus the routine of work life means each day becomes less consequential.
I have a kid now and theres a saying with it: "the days are long but the years are short," and that couldn't be more true. Each day feels like a lifetime sometimes, but then you turn around and you're setting up for a 3rd birthday party and it feels so sudden. But then you think about how you still have a whole 2 more years before they even start kindergarten.
Anyway dunno where this was going
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Hortjoob5 days ago
+253
“We believe this will be a limited outbreak if the public health measures are implemented and solidarity is shown across all countries,” said Dr. Abdirahman Mahamud, the WHO’s alert and response director on Thursday.
From an AP News article. The words "if" and "solidarity" aren't great. Also for posterity ... Corona was not novel either.
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Android69beepboop5 days ago
+187
It was literally called the novel coronavirus, because it had not been previously been documented. This strain of hantavirus is not novel.
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SonOfMcGee5 days ago
+79
Yeah, the 19 in COVID-19 meant the specific variety was discovered in 2019.
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CrotaIsAShota5 days ago
+45
Damn Fauci going forward in time and bringing a disease back with him.
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mckenziemcgee5 days ago
+23
> Also for posterity ... Corona was not novel either.
The amount of bullshit people will just spew.
# [A novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) causing pneumonia-associated respiratory syndrome](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7091741/) - Published February 5, 2020
> By the end of 2019, the World Health Organization (WHO) was informed about an outbreak of pneumonia of unknown etiology in Wuhan, China. Some patients were linked to a seafood market, suggesting animal-to-human transmission, but, soon, human-to-human transmission was confirmed. **The pathogen was promptly identified as a novel coronavirus** belonging to lineage B betacoronaviruses that also include severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which caused a pandemic in China in 2002/2003, and bat SARS-like coronaviruses.
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BallsInSufficientSad5 days ago
+38
COVID-19 was absolutely novel. "Coronaviruses" are a general group of viruses, but COVID-19 was new and thus the human immune system had limited defense.
This Hantavirus strain is well documented and not novel. If it had the ability to cause a major pandemic - it would have already done so in the past.
Remember that this started in an urban area - not some isolated cave like COVID-19
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dasrightq5 days ago
+14
Wild that hundreds of people upvoted a comment with such wildly false info. Covid-19 was absolutely a novel coronavirus.
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no8airbag5 days ago
+1485
so, sex with rats no more
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Own-Geologist-89785 days ago
+627
What else are they going to take from us?!?
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BemaJinn5 days ago
+328
No sex with monkeys, no sex with bats now no sex with rats!
WHAT NEXT, NO SEX WITH GOATS!?!?!!
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typecookieyouidiot5 days ago
+58
Do you really want GoatScrote?
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Gudi_Nuff5 days ago
+32
I GoatSee your point
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belllhop5 days ago
+56
The best part is when they pull my hair, I make delicious Italian food.
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k1xel5 days ago
+6
No sex with bats
No sex with rats
Coming soon: no sex with cats
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Super_leo20005 days ago
+1616
I see these comments and can instantly tell practically none of them read the article.
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PurpleCoat66565 days ago
+770
WE ALL GONNA DIE!
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bussymonke5 days ago
+359
#AHHHHHHHHHH
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sneakysneksneak5 days ago
+77
\- Prepotente
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Superfool5 days ago
+23
It's okay, Pony... It's okay
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cat_named_zola5 days ago
+8
ALRIGHT, CALM DOWN. I SAID, CALM THE F*** DOWN (huffing vigorously, racing around)
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anders_hansson5 days ago
+387
Headline is intentionally playing on people's fear reaction.
The article OTOH is saying that there's no reason for concern because **the virus does not spread as easily as covid nor influenza**.
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Tribalbob5 days ago
+262
Headline tomorrow: "HANTAVIRUS LIKE NOTHING WE'VE ENCOUNTERED!"
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Vercoduex5 days ago
+54
Vaccine development in trouble due to strait of hormuz will be the next one
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Zeravor5 days ago
+54
Maybe i'm to optimistic, but thats exactly how i read the headline.
Oh good, not spreading like the flu, so not that worrying. We tend to forget it because it's not that big of a deal to get but in terms of being contagious the flu is pretty much the worst there is, no?
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Thirdeye1125 days ago
+37
No, measles is actually the absolute endboss of transmissibility with an R0 of around 15 if I remember right. Flu is around 3 or 4
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fighter-bomber5 days ago
+16
Flu is between 1 and 2. Covid was 2-3. You’re right with measles, that’s insane.
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quaranTV5 days ago
+8
Measles is INSANELY contagious. You can walk into a room 3-4 hours after someone with measles was there and still contract measles it hangs in the air so long.
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Morat205 days ago
+8
Measles is so infectious that it feels like *thinking* about measles is enough to give you measles.
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anders_hansson5 days ago
+19
I agree, though I have come to accept how people react and how headline authors know that and utilize that.
The basic gut-reaction is predominantly very primitive, usually just based on the value that certain words carry and expectations about certain topics.
In this case:
* Covid = very bad, pandemic, death
* Influenza = very common, spreads easily
* Outbreak = something new and dangerous
* WHO & viruses = can't be good, this is going global
Based on those values and expectations, "Spreads Very Differently" easily tilts mentally towards "worse" rather than "better".
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Gangr3l5 days ago
+75
Yeah... My brother is sure this is going to be the next corona and I had to remind him we live in a country where hantavirus is considered occupational hazard to farmers (~600 cases / year)
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deadpatronus5 days ago
+44
I read the article.
"HOARD TOILET PAPER RIGHT NOW" - WHO
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Old_Persimmon_58595 days ago
+30
Funny, already saw some people stockpiling tp. This morning saw a woman trying to carry like 5 large packs of tp which is like 120 rolls total... If only people could panic about climate change like that...
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andy111235 days ago
+13
One of the best videos is the guy trying to return a pallet of toilet paper in Australia and being told to kick rocks
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Hot_Falcon84715 days ago
+22
Exactly. They’re reassuring that this is not something to be concerned about but nobody wants to hear that.
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Loki-L5 days ago
+7295
The important question is which livestock medicine should I stockpile now to sell later to idiots.
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PlatformVarious89415 days ago
+1522
Udder cream, obviously
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persepolisrising795 days ago
+307
fantastic choice, i still got some dewormer ready just in case.
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CliffsNote55 days ago
+102
Horse shampoo
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EchidnaSpecialist6275 days ago
+26
Just buy Nvidia
26
ShameNap5 days ago
+359
I had lunch with an old guy earlier this week and he started telling me that almost everyone who took ivermectin lived and almost everyone who didn’t, died of Covid in some cases they studied. Right there I knew who he voted for.
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LouQuacious5 days ago
+212
I heard people did “feel better” after taking ivermectin but it was because they had worms and didn’t know it.
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dalaiis5 days ago
+188
That was the reason some studies done in india showed promising results in battling covid.
Just happened to be someone infected with covid had a better chance of recovery if they arent sick from something else also, like worms.
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7ddlysuns5 days ago
+133
I had this argument with a family member. I was pointing out that yes ivermectin seemed to help in countries where untreated parasites were a problem but not countries where the weren’t. They were so mad
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Croutonsec5 days ago
+48
Crazy that a medication works for what it is intended (worms)! WHO would have thought.
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TunaNugget5 days ago
+9
More than that, the steroids that they first used to treat covid made the parasitic infection much worse.
9
IndominusTaco5 days ago
+100
just pick one and then start raiding the comments section of conservative influencers/congressmen. if you make it sound pseudo scientific they’ll believe you
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DifficultLab2005 days ago
+12
But not too scientific.
12
Kawaflow5 days ago
+62
That’s a common misconception about the Hanta-virus, the real way to treat (not vaccinate! That’s a bad word!) an infection is by providing your body with a specialized mix of nuts and saturated fats! Just like RFK Jr prophesied! I have a truckload of a specially formulated superfood that counteracts and even possibly prevents an infection, IF eaten in a high-enough daily dosage. The answer is: Hanuta! I am taking orders right now, but you’ll have to move fast!
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WaterBear92445 days ago
+32
Actually you’re supposed to fight the infection with rabies. You see the rabies virus attacks the hantavirus and cancel each other out
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socialistbutterfly995 days ago
+23
Let's get the Republicans and billionaires the first available doses.
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Loki-L5 days ago
+12
What about related products like Mon Chéri, Ferrero Rocher, Duplo and Nutella?
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KoalaDeluxe5 days ago
+13
Nutella solves all the world's problems!
13
Goodswimkarma5 days ago
+37
Beef tallow. Skin so smooth those viruses will slide off.
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BaronMusclethorpe5 days ago
+22
BEEF TALLOW!? IN THIS ECONOMY!?
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jl_theprofessor5 days ago
+462
"Requires very close, very intimate contact"
So Listnookors not at risk then.
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trotc545 days ago
+74
We got this 😎
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geebeem925 days ago
+47
**A world where only listnookors survived \*shivers\*. Welp at least we won’t procreate**
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Lakonislate5 days ago
+13
Idiocracy 2: Listnookocracy
Karma: it's got what plants crave!
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racoonqueefs5 days ago
+6
Hantavirus kills man, listnookors inherit the Earth
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prpldrank5 days ago
+29
Four feet away at a different table, intimate
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NoFnClue12345 days ago
+151
I’m so glad we have a raccoon p**** examiner leading the US health department. I’m sure he’s got the perfect plan in place to handle this.
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Snowdeo7205 days ago
+29
He’s going to eat his daily morning bowl of gravel and workout in jeans with kid rock about it.
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Best_Stand34715 days ago
+150
As a Korean who’s been vaccinated against Hantavirus, I hope this situation encourages the development of a more effective and advanced vaccine.
Right now, commercially available Hantavirus vaccines exist mainly in Korea, while in the U.S. and China the vaccines have mostly been limited to government-led research and development.
However, the Korean vaccine has often been criticized for its limited effectiveness.
I’d really like to see major global pharmaceutical companies such as Pfizer or Moderna develop a highly effective next-generation Hantavirus vaccine.
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MCPtz5 days ago
+34
TIL about how the hentavirus was a problem in the Korean War in the 1950s and, after several decades of research, the iHV vaccine has been regularly used in the Korean military, which generally has mandatory service time for all male Koreans.
FYI, the virus in the below study is a different type of hentavirus than the ADNV - Andes hentavirus.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6312780/
> An inactivated Hantaan virus vaccine (iHV) has been broadly used as a preventive strategy for hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome (HFRS) by the South Korean Army.
> This was a population-based, retrospective, cohort study. HFRS cases were enrolled between January 2009 and March 2017. The total size of the ROK army population was approximately 600,000 subjects.
Besides the control group of those who had no vaccination history:
> Valid-vaccination group were defined as those who had received the iHV within one year of symptom onset. In contrast, invalid-vaccinated patients were defined as those who had received their last iHV more than one year from time of symptom onset
* 133 individuals passed the criteria for patients admitted with a valid infection of hentavirus
* 110 had no history of vaccination
* 18 had valid vaccination history (<1 year since last vaccine dose)
* 5 had invalid vaccination history (>1 year since last vaccine dose)
Despite 600,000 people in the retrospective study, it was hard to draw solid conclusions, and "This study has several limitations".
The data showed severity of symptoms was reduced by ~50% in those who had received a vaccine, as had been shown in other retrospective studies. However, the study did not reach statistical significance, and would need a much larger population.
(this takes me back to covid times, reading studies like this)
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Shot-Arugula82645 days ago
+27
“Differently” = astronomically more slowly and with more difficulty
Fixed the clickbait headline for you.
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Malibooch5 days ago
+9
Yep. The reporting on this during the past week has been a pain in my ass. People in my social circle have been unnecessarily worrying because of news sources wanting to get their ad revenue with this clickbait.
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poetrygrenade5 days ago
+843
But what does Joe Rogan recommend we do? Did the WHO consult with Joe Rogan?
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_NickPapagiorgio_5 days ago
+140
Tall and funny scientist, Joe Rogan?
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goodra35 days ago
+25
Lots of hair
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Magikarpe_Diem_5 days ago
+15
Joe Rogaine
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name-__________5 days ago
+65
What does Jah have to say?
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Sunset_Bleach5 days ago
+35
Where is Jah?
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RPDRNick5 days ago
+13
Take three gallons of Onnit Alpha Brain and bang your head on some kettle bells for an hour.
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withoutatt5 days ago
+20
This is not like Covid….nor influenza….but IT IS LIKE EBOLA
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BuffaloWhip5 days ago
+251
"If we follow public health measures, with contact tracing and isolation, we can break this chain of transmission.”
Oh, so we’re proper fucked, is what you’re telling me?
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derpfjsha5 days ago
+56
Instantly thought the same… given our amazing track record
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Twodogsonecouch5 days ago
+235
The article and statement are kinda minimizing it though. Its kinda the stereotypical government don’t panicky message.
Transmission doesnt seem to require “intimate contact”.
The study of first large spreading event of this virus shows that a single person gave it to 5 people at a birthday party of 100 people. A bunch of them were just sitting near the person at different tables for 90 min. Maybe they shook hands or hugged or he coughed a bunch near them or on their food or something but they werent making out or having sex. It requires close contact with a symptomatic person. Not intimate contact. The widow of one of these people then gave it to 10 people who attended the funeral of her husband. 2 people were infected at the hospital who treated these people, thats actually really small though considering the number of contacts that would have happened. Overall one person got it probably from a rat ended up in 34 people getting it and 11 dying. So it spreads kinda easily from a symptomatic person. Also if it’s like standard hantavirus transmission from rats then it probably lives on surfaces for a while. When you get it from a rat you dont usually get it direct from the rat you get it from things the rat chewed pissed or shat on. Overall i dont think minimizing it is a good idea. It should be easily preventable with simple precautions and quarantine but a single symptomatic person who’s a d*** like covid deniers could easily cause the death of many people. Ie it’s not gonna be a pandemic but an exposed individual could get their family killed. It may not transmit as easily as covid but the mortality rate is hugely higher 40%.
[https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040#ap1&uccLastUpdatedDate=2026-01-20%2016%3A06%3A29.751%20%2B0000&rememberMe=true](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040#ap1&uccLastUpdatedDate=2026-01-20%2016%3A06%3A29.751%20%2B0000&rememberMe=true)
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Paper__5 days ago
+10
Just to be more clear and morbid here.
The reason why this isn’t a Covid situation is because people die too quickly.
Covid had a 1% fatality rate. Hantavirus has a 40% fatality rate.
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+54
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Rythonius5 days ago
+24
It says close, intimate contact is required for transmission. I understand patient zero and his wife, so how did others become infected?
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Milestogob4Isl33p5 days ago
+44
Close, intimate contact generally means proximity to an infected person’s shared air and respiratory secretions, and includes activities such as eating/socializing indoors, and prolonged face-to-face conversations.
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Keiteaea5 days ago
+22
It is a cruise, so I imagine there were buffets, which are notorious for spreading diseases (like norovirus) between people that normally would not interact.
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shokk5 days ago
+40
“Only people in close contact.”
By some weird coincidence, that’s exactly what humans tend to do.
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SappilyHappy5 days ago
+16
Intimate is such an odd choice of words.
To me (and the dictionary), intimate means nearly touching, or sexual contact.
This virus is spreading from table to table and to passerbys.
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Howzitgoin5 days ago
+122
Not trying to be crude but they keep saying close intimate contact is how it spreads….
Were they having old person orgies on the cruise?
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elbenji5 days ago
+81
It's a very small ship and they basically use the same vents and buffets (also consider that people don't wash their hands). Think about how often norovirus contracts in these things (not in terms of contagion but that's its poop based), which also rarely gets passed outside a cruise ship. You're just inhaling people's shit all day
Or we'll find out it's a swingers cruise.
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ohwow285 days ago
+41
But nororivus doesn’t require intimate contact, it’s highly contagious.
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lolalala15 days ago
+15
Norovirus is a bad example; it is very contagious everywhere.
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poorperspective5 days ago
+27
STDs break out in Nursing homes all the time.
So more likely than not.
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pairofdimeshift925 days ago
+157
F*** this vague headline. Hysterical people will happily read it as “this isn’t those things, it’s \*worse\*. “. The media as it’s currently constructed just makes things worse.
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fightmaxmaster5 days ago
+55
At some point idiots who jump to conclusions based on vague headlines or a lack of media literacy/common sense bear some responsibility too. If nothing else it's so easy to think "I don't really understand this so will say nothing." But for some reason dumbasses are often the loudest.
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---reddacted---5 days ago
+74
RFK’s in charge. No need to worry. The brain worm has it all under control.
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No_Cap26945 days ago
+28
OF COURSE trump is in office for both Covid and this, we are actually in the worst timeline
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Sufficient_Good77275 days ago
+20
Plague Inc player that stored some evolve points:
\- Extreme Zoonosis
\- Extreme Hematophagy
\- Extreme Bioaerosol
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x40Shots5 days ago
+17
I don't know if I can do the rest of this decade guys... I am soooo tired, can I like coma up and if we live, someone can see if they can wake me up?
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bigbrainvirus5 days ago
+20
It’s also entirely too deadly. Anyone that’s worried read up on SARS CoV from 2002. There’s not way a hantavirus can cause a pandemic like COVID-19 without a DRAMATIC series of mutations. Cruise ships are one step removed from submarines, they are the perfect breeding ground for any virus/pathogen to sweep through a group of people due to tight quarters, repeated exposures, and often subpar sanitation practices.
-source I’m a virologist who has worked with bunyaviruses (the viral family hantas belong to)
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Michoffkoch875 days ago
+10
Pair that perfect breeding ground with the knowledge that this has been "rampant" on a cruise ship since April 6th and only (depending which source you consult) 5 to 8 cases have been confirmed in the more than a month since then and you get a pretty clear picture about how very much not fast this is spreading.
We would do well to listen to virologists over sensationalist headlines from Esquire Magazine.
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buttrumpus5 days ago
+9
Reminder: companies that control your world view, like Listnook, very much want to feed your addiction with fear to sell more advertising.
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IWouldntIn19815 days ago
+36
Just a reminder, RFK Jr is a strong supporter of "herd immunity."
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BallsInSufficientSad5 days ago
+12
Herd immunity makes no sense in the context of a novel virus.
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NotThatAngel5 days ago
+7
""It is similar to the Agrentia outbreak, and we don't anticipate a large epidemic. With public health measures, we can break the chain of transmission, and this will be a limited outbreak," mentioned Dr. Mahamud."
I think the key words are "public health measures", which America under Trump has fumbled repeatedly, in many different ways. So this could be an easy "win" which anti-maskers and their ilk circumvent or even righteously sabotage because freedumb.
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thebaldfrenchman5 days ago
+30
Great. I work in a hospital. If it becomes an outbreak, I'm quitting and hiding. This red state won't listen to a damn thing the CDC says
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AquatiCarnivore5 days ago
+8
with a 40% mortality rate the problem will solve itself pretty damn quick.
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ToadRancher5 days ago
+6
It was on a cruise ship, this is gonna just RIP through the swinger community lol
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MermyuZ5 days ago
+7
If we get another lockdown im hitting top500 tank in overwatch watch it happen
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nervosacafe5 days ago
+5
I think this time around I’m going to focus on sourdough, yoga and a Sopranos rewatch.
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VBgamez4 days ago
+6
Ok well now what am I supposed to do with my 55 egg cartons, 55 toilet paper boxes, 55 hand sanitizer pallets?
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Single_Extension18104 days ago
+6
Damn. Didn't Gene Hackman's wife die of this?
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Specialist-Basis82184 days ago
+5
Are the republicans saying is fake yet? Are they already recommending bleach and horse dewormer?
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Splinterfight5 days ago
+45
Good to hear them asking for people to stay calm, given that it’s very hard to catch
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