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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +4638

Hiya Spez. Does Listnook have any plans to stratify (1) and fix (2) the way moderators work? (1) The moderator hierarchy is currently top down, which means one stoned/drunk/cranky mod can effectively mess up all mods below them. I would recommend you think of making permissions more granular than the 6/7 categories that exist (full, access, config, mail, flair, post, wiki). There should be a provision available for mods below to nuke mods on top or change their permissions, if such permissions have been granted to them (and so on). It will make mod lists far more equitable in nature, and reduce the pressure on admins to step in an fix issues. (2) Additionally, why does Listnook administration disappear on weekends? Facebook and Twitter are said to be hiring mods, and you can [view a Facebook mods profile here](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/may/21/facebook-moderators-quick-guide-job-challenges). Why doesn't Listnook think of doing this - hiring sitewide "supermods" who aren't exactly admins but not pleb mods either, to step in and stop blatant vote manipulation (like the sock guy) or dox and stuff. This is especially necessary on the weekends, when it is hard to get any response from admins. I've seen calls for hiring "supermods" on a few of these threads, and the admins are kind of mute about this. I'm not sure what you think of this so please let me know.

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +4100

1. Great question. Sublistnook governance is a huge challenge. We've not tackled it directly to date because there has been so much foundational work to get out of the way first (e.g. moderator guidelines, real mod tools, fully developed community team). We're getting closer. 2. We are still a small company, fewer than 300 people. We're actively hiring for weekend coverage right now, so hopefully the next time we chat we have this problem solved.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +1213

> real mod tools Just to follow up, I think moderator permissions are tools in themselves. A lot of sublistnooks organize mod's duties and rules by the permissions they have, and you're kind of glossing over this crucial fact. Anyway thanks for replying, happy thanksgiving and ban /r/onionhate before /u/sodypop wakes up

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +982

You're right, adding more mod permissions is an easy improvement. We have a "moderators" dev team now. At the moment they're working on an enhanced mod queue, sublistnook styling, and a new flair system.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +973

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +909

Yep. Proper mod tools for mobile are in development now. They'll ship in the next major (4.0) release, which we expect this year.

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xiongchiamiov Nov 1, 2017 +61

If they aren't aware of r/modsoup, please send it their way. It's an early little app, but already tremendously useful, and people have been throwing ideas over there about what features they'd find useful.

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ZadocPaet Nov 1, 2017 +115

Being able to re-order the mod list is a good start. You guys rolled out the mod rules, but every time I messaged listnook admins about them I get no response. For instance, at /r/TheCinemassacre the top mod is Mike Matei, who works for Cinemassacre. He was always breaking what are now the mod guidelines. He got drunk one night and posted his erect p**** to the sub. Then he banned everyone who mentioned it. He drunk-streamed Mario one night, and then took it down and banned everyone who mentioned it. He kept setting the sub to private. He then removed the mods who built the sub and did the CSS after the modmails leaked. /r/OutOfTheLoop summary [here](https://www.listnook.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6i0i3l/why_do_people_hate_cinemamassacres_mike_matei_now/). Those of us who were removed want our sub back and for him to be kicked off.

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SquareWheel Nov 1, 2017 +104

> and a new flair system. Can you talk about this a little bit? The flair system has always been a bit weird and arcane, but many subs have found unique uses for it. Will you be expanding flairs to allow for multiple tags? Will there still be a distinction for "flair text" and "flair css"?

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HeterometabolousGobi Nov 1, 2017 +405

> We are still a small company, fewer than 300 people. We're actively hiring for weekend coverage right now, so hopefully the next time we chat we have this problem solved. In the last year, [you've hired almost 100 engineers](http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/30/listnook-focuses-on-strengthening-communities-as-site-gets-makeover/), but I can't name a single new admin that handles community issues or interacts with the community publicly. [The jobs page](https://about.listnook.com/careers/) has 22 engineering positions listed, 13 sales, 9 product, and **two** for community (and one of them is a management position, not an actual community job). Why is hiring community people such an incredibly low priority?

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +470

You should be allowed to moderate only a few sublistnooks, with 1 of them being a default sublistnook. I believe an Admin should be at the top of the moderator list in every default sublistnook. The same people, since forever, all over Listnook, are controlling the same sublistnooks, and sometimes coordinating with each other in order to prevent, or to promote certain topics. *Not to mention, the countless alt accounts that moderators have in order to protect their main accounts.* Communities cannot remove these moderators (they're told to *go and make your own sublistnooks* by Admins), and they continue to control dozens, if not hundreds of sublistnooks. These *volunteers* should be *volunteering* for a limited term, not till the end of Listnook. /u/spez, it is simply unacceptable. Also, what do you think about power users who spam multiple sublistnooks, especially NSFW ones, with the exact same post, in order to gain endless karma? What about a karma limit? Thanks. *Edit:* /u/Phobos15 raises a good point about moderators and alt accounts. /u/Blissing adds that *users with multiple accounts can very easily cheat the limit system.* /u/ThatAstronautGuy mentions that there used to be a cap of 5 defaults per person, and if you modded any more, Admins would find out and ask you to resign.

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NugguhPhagot Nov 1, 2017 +68

Uh yeah, I am noticing the same damn memes and stuff every single day because of the retarded amount of karma farming going on. It's getting so bad, there's very little room for actual meaningful discussions. I really wish they'd do something about it. Limit karma, hide karma, whatever. The original intent of the voting system was designed to remove off topic discussions, instead it's used as a way to punish people you don't agree with. I'd rather have votes and karma just straight up hidden from the general user base.

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captainpriapism Nov 2, 2017 +12

anyone genuinely worried about "influence" on listnook should really take care of this first power mods are the main problem with this site imo "mods /r/pics /r/news /r/politics /r/adviceanimals /r/worldnews and 3068 others" like at some point you have to question what kind of person that is

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +31

I wasn't even going to bother asking about the super mod/global mod thing because it's a beat down horse but maybe I should fling into my rant now. /U/spez, at this scale, Listnook needs some form of faster support. My latest admin reply took 4 days. I totally understand why this is and I'm not going to be outraged that an SF company works traditionally SF hours. But at listnooks scale, there just needs to be a layer between the common mod and the admins. I've been a strong proponent of a global mod system, users who get trained and can deal with the small stuff before it has to go in your hands. It's 100x easier said than done, but something has to give. Maybe global mod isn't the answer. It's not an easy one. But _something_ needs to come out of this.

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vinsfeld08 Nov 1, 2017 +1678

Over the years, Listnook has grown from small groups of people submitting content to subs and sharing with each other in a series of available public forums to a number one site on the internet. Now, in addition to private parties sharing what they love, we have corporations, political figures, and media outlets using this as a social media platform not just as a means of contracting with fans/customers/constituents, but as a means of pushing an agenda. While the web traffic is appealing, I have to ask: Is this in line with the original vision for Listnook? Is this how we can expect the future to be, or is there hope of some change to the way Listnook is used by those with money to influence the content on this site?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +1456

The original vision for Listnook was quite small. We wanted to build a place where people could find new and interesting things online. Specifically, we wanted the site to have the community feel of Slashdot but with content curated by users. As Listnook has grown, so has our vision. Listnook provides human connection and belonging, for which we believe people have a fundamental need. People come to Listnook to stay informed, to laugh, to learn, to argue, for support, to talk about freaky sex stuff... Listnook means a lot of things to a lot of people, and we want to provide our service for everyone on the planet. Of course, the increase in size means we attract people who want to exploit us. We at Listnook Inc will do our best to prevent this, and the greater Listnook community will fight it as well. Listnook is the most human place on the Internet, we'll fight to preserve this as hard as we can.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +72

This is the biggest, most contrived load of bullshit CEO-speak I have ever heard. Stop trying to emulate every other Silicon Valley CEO and be a f****** normal person that doesn’t manipulate comments, votes, or information.

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longboardingerrday Nov 1, 2017 +696

I was thinking, maybe you guys could go the way of Instagram and have sponsored posts labeled as such and by whom.

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AllDizzle Nov 1, 2017 +164

Companies are going to pay people or just use private accounts to push agendas though. Same for amazon reviews, yelp reviews, etc.

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Saljen Nov 1, 2017 +102

It needs to be tackled on a legislative level. Every company shouldn't be figuring this out individually. We should be heavily fining companies attempting to anonymously use the internet for advertising or agenda pushing. Advertising by businesses or any non-human entity should be plainly known as advertising. Hiding advertising in other content, generally without paying for said advertising, should be illegal. It's an extremely difficult problem, and one that's not easily solved without removing anonymity from the internet, which I am vehemently opposed to.

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Voidjumper_ZA Nov 2, 2017 +31

Advertising can often be pretty subtle. Where do we draw the line, for say a regular listnookor showing off their art or invention or creation which might also be up for sale? That's just an individual, but what about small teams such as indie game studios showing off their projects? Of course they might be showing it just because they are proud of it, but there's also often a commercial aspect to it. How do we draw the line between what is and what isn't pushing that line?

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ColdFury96 Nov 1, 2017 +956

Is the front page still limited to a random sampling of 50 of your subscribed sublistnooks (100 if gold)?? I always find this a frustrating limitation of listnook's technology, as I feel like I'm missing items from sublistnooks I care about unless I slice them up into many different multi-listnooks.

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +1403

It's not 50, but there is a limit. I think it's 100 now but increasing to a few hundred in a couple weeks. Even better, we're testing an entirely new algorithm that doesn't have this limitation and shows you more from smaller communities you frequent.

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louisly Nov 1, 2017 +461

Good. I've subscribed to a few bigger sublistnooks recently and the smaller ones just disappeared from my front page

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timawesomeness Nov 1, 2017 +125

Awesome! As someone who's subscribed to almost 300 subs, this is a welcome improvement.

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DontTautologyOnMe Nov 1, 2017 +20

It would be great if the new algo could give more weight to posts from subscribed subs we favorite (with a star).

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TheFoodScientist Nov 1, 2017 +3652

Why does the official Listnook app not support the Listnook video player? Any time I click on a link that contains the video player I get sent to the Listnook mobile page and a pop-up saying how much better Listnook is on the Listnook app. YouTube videos work better than Listnook videos on the Listnook app. Even Twitter videos work better on the Listnook app than Listnook videos do. Edit: I updated the app and videos from v.redd.it are playing now rather than showing me Listnook mobile and suggesting I use the app.

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +5287

Sounds like a bug. The team will investigate and get back to you. HEY TEAM, INVESTIGATE AND GET BACK TO THIS USER!

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emoney04 Nov 1, 2017 +2510

On it! u/TheFoodScientist - you should see a message in your inbox from me. Edit: I've had a few people reach out directly with the same issue. If you're using the official Listnook app and are experiencing issues with Listnook Videos, try updating your app to the latest version (if you haven't already done so). This seems to have solved the majority of official app related issues.

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theicecapsaremelting Nov 1, 2017 +34

Why does [this post](https://www.listnook.com/r/pokemon/comments/79zfjm/if_this_post_gets_32768_upvotes_before_the_end_of/) crash the listnook app on my phone? Is it because there are too many frogs? How many frogs can the app handle?

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StrayshotNA Nov 1, 2017 +193

Side note on this, worth considering a "Stop asking me to using the friggin app" button/account option. I understand people put a lot of effort into the mobile version, but I typically can't stand mobile versions of things.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +281

By the way, dozens of reports come up every time someone submits using that domain and it gets 1000+ upvotes. Further integration of listnook videos would probably be good for y'all in the long run, even if I don't personally care about it.

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +936

I'm not sure the forum in which you're not getting responses. If you clarify, I will follow up with the team. However I can assure you we are receiving great feedback and even if you don't get a direct response from us, we are making a ton of improvements based on what we're hearing from testers. There are a variety of goals, but chief among them is decreasing the bounce rate of first-time visitors and increasing time on site for everyone. More generally, Listnook grows primarily through word of mouth. Many of us evangelize Listnook and tell people how awesome it is, what an impact it's made in their life, how much it makes them laugh, etc, and then when those new people decide to check out Listnook for the first time they're greeted with dystopian Craigslist. We'd like to fix that.

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Fauster Nov 1, 2017 +638

But right now, there's so much room for information! Older users will hate it if they can't use the old listnook. It's a format that sucks at first, but there's so much room for information. Yes, statistically, a page is optimized with 33% text, 33% images, and 33% whitespace, but listnook would absolutely suck with that format. Also spez, I've tried to turn people on to listnook, and their first reaction is to ask if they have to download the app. I use listnook on phones not logged in, and I'm constantly spammed to use the app. I know the app equals money, but don't be spamy like all the other sites. Put a big easy to push x to close the incessant app requests that literally break the mobile site until you set it to desktop view.

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PHPApple Nov 1, 2017 +25

I use the Narwhal app because it's a bare bones experience like Listnook Desktop. Edit: Not a Narwhal shill, and it definitely has issues, but it's the closest thing to listnook desktop that I can find for mobile.

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shiruken Nov 1, 2017 +235

> Many of us evangelize Listnook and tell people how awesome it is, what an impact it's made in their life, how much it makes them laugh, etc, and then when those new people decide to check out Listnook for the first time they're greeted with dystopian Craigslist. We'd like to fix that. The website design isn't what drives people away from Listnook. It's the behavior of its users. Virtually all news coverage about Listnook in the past year has been about violence, anger, and hatred that spews from parts of this website across all its communities. I know I'm not alone in being more hesitant in mentioning that I frequent this website. Simply changing the design isn't going to fix that.

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TheNinjaNarwhal Nov 1, 2017 +9

I've shown listnook to a couple of friends that aren't familiar with the types of forums that were popular back in the day and they're really confused because of the way the site looks. I also remember myself when I first visited listnook. I had been using forums, simple ones though, so it was better for me than for others, but I was really confused at the start and I hated the site and didn't want to visit it because I found it confusing. When I realised how the comments work it took me quite a while to get used to them and stop thinking "why is this so dumb, they could have made the comments section way better". I also remember that I was really confused on how to go back to the sublistnook vs. how to go back to www.listnook.com (like the "homepage" of listnook). It took me many days to understand what I have to click to get to either of those and literally months to get used to it(that's why I remember it so well). I still sometimes click the listnook robot thingy to go back to the front page of the sublistnook I'm in and end up going to my listnook front page by mistake. The thing is back then I didn't know how to go back to the sublistnook's front page which made me mad. You have to get used to the site first and then start reading the comments fully to be driven away by the users. There are people who can't even understand the site so they don't even get to reading the comments. People who are more into computers and have used various similar sites are not going to have any problem but many of them are already using listnook. I'm pretty sure they are trying to target the more average people, many of whom are mainly using social media which are easy to use. My friends are those kinds of people and none of them understood listnook at all, it seemed to them like a big mess of words.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +110

I like dystopian. The feel of the site is part of its charm. Changing isn't always better (e.g.: Digg). EDIT: as a comment, growth is not a great goal. I'd prefer the admins focus on improving the product, not on acquiring new users or decreasing their bounce rate once they come. Old fashioned though the idea may be, I think that quality will win if admins are patient.

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Nivrap Nov 1, 2017 +3835

Dear u/spez , As a frequenter of many different sublistnooks, some of which are based on opposed ideologies, I must ask: how are you planning to deal with sublistnooks that automatically ban users based on their participation in other subs? On more than one occasion, I've received messages from sublistnooks I've never heard of simply for commenting on a post in an unrelated sublistnook. This practice violates Listnook's guidelines and discriminates against users based on ideology. Can we expect any form of help in keeping Listnook one of the few remaining sites dedicated to neutrality?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +1710

Short answer, yes. Long answer, we created moderator guidelines outlawing the practice, but we also understand the context in which these ban bots were created. We're working with those communities, enhancing mod tools, and planning more transparency for bans so we can get there in time.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +1123

> planning more transparency for bans If you're going to make things more 'transparent,' could you update the ban message so users know which part is from the admins and which part is from the moderators? For example, if someone posts child p***, or if somebody is clearly acting violently, I don't want them messaging me asking why they got banned. The automatic ban message, which can't be changed, encourages them to message us anyway. Lots of users also take offense to the message about creating accounts to avoid bans. Most of the sublistnooks I mod we don't care much about this in general. Noting that message is from the admins, and not our mod team, will save us unnecessary messages in modmail.

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ixfd64 Nov 1, 2017 +38

I thought this was addressed last year? https://listnook.com/r/changelog/comments/4cghna/listnook_change_updated_sublistnook_ban_message_for

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h0nest_Bender Nov 1, 2017 +542

> enhancing mod tools, and planning more transparency for bans How does any of that address the issue of subs banning people in direct opposition to the sitewide moderation guidelines? Are you going to punish moderators/communities that ban users in this way? Are you going to force them to lift the bans? People are breaking the rules, what are you going to DO about it?

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the_black_panther_ Nov 1, 2017 +124

He isn't going to do anything. His "moderator guidelines" are bullshit seeing as how pretty much every existing sub ignored them and kept doing their own thing

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SurturOfMuspelheim Nov 1, 2017 +391

Please for the love of God do something about /r/offmychest. I commented on a sublistnook for the first time, bam, instantly banned from /r/offmychest. I messaged the moderators asking why, and was blocked from messaging them for 72 hours. Go to /r/trueoffmychest and you will see COUNTLESS stories of the same. It's ridiculous.

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StanGibson18 Nov 1, 2017 +65

I'm banned from off my chest for commenting on the_donald. I got summoned to the_donald by username (happens to me a lot) by a troll. I made some snide comment telling him to kiss off, and was instantly banned from about a dozen subs. You can't even participate on t_d to disagree without being labelled a troll.

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zorinlynx Nov 1, 2017 +83

In a way this is a good thing; it shows that the mods in /r/offmychest are judgmental jerks that are quick to ban anyone who disagrees with them. Why would you want to vent there in front of that audience? Seems they're more likely to judge you than provide sympathy or support.

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-Fateless- Nov 1, 2017 +38

/r/r*** is just like that too. Post in a sublistnook they don't approve of? Well, sucks to be you, you don't deserve to get some help after being molested, you are not worth our help.

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ANGR1ST Nov 1, 2017 +413

How about starting with just preventing a user from being banned from a sub they've never commented or posted in before?

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slvrbullet87 Nov 1, 2017 +60

Even easier, people know what subs use these bots. Make a site wide rule that if they continue their own sub will be banned. Give them 72 hours to shut it off, or lose their community. They will shut it off.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +15

Let's just speak plainly- r/offmychest is a big offender of this and still engages in this practice. Trying to get back into the sub once you've been banned essentially requires you to admit to being scum and promising to never be scum again- an accusation I'm not admitting to and a game I have no desire to play. What I would like to do is support fellow r*** victims who post in the sub, commiserate with people having a bad day, give hope to people who post about crippling anxiety, depression, agoraphobia, etc. If this behavior has truly been banned and mods aren't allowed to engage in it, it's time for Listnook admins to have a very long talk with the mods of that sub and maybe remove a mod or two who are clearly abusing their power.

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Geopolitics1555 Nov 1, 2017 +6343

How are you preventing Russian bots from meddling with the listnook experience?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +3512

This is the domain of the Anti-Evil team that I've mentioned in previous posts. They are the engineering team whose mandate is to prevent those who cheat, manipulate, and otherwise attempt to undermine Listnook. I can't get too specific in this forum, but we detect and prevent manipulation in a variety of ways, generally looking at where accounts come from, how they work together, and behaviors of groups of accounts that differ from typical behavior. Folks have been trying to manipulate Listnook for a long time, so this is not a new problem for us. Their tactics and our responses do evolve over time, so it's been constant work for us over the years.

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Duke_Paul Nov 1, 2017 +502

Hey Spez, I fully appreciate that there is a team dedicated to preventing these trolls and attempts to negatively manipulate Listnook's users. But are their efforts taking into account AMAs? AMAs are posts which are more likely to have a large volume of traffic from outside of Listnook, as well as the votes, attention, and comments of new accounts, many of which are only created to participate in the specific thread. So I imagine these posts look a lot like vote manipulation, even when they are not. They are atypical Listnook posts. I'm not asking about moderator actions to promote particular posts--that's a separate issue. I'm mostly worried about algorithms and automated processes which would suppress AMAs, as this creates a negative feedback loop--if AMAs are less popular, they will be less appealing for popular people/topics (NASA can just go on Twitter, for example). Fewer popular AMAs means less Listnook-native attention, which exacerbates the problem of the proportion of attention coming from off-site. So I'm wondering what is being done to make sure that AMAs, a phenomenon which is inherently Listnook in nature, don't get absolutely shafted in the name of stopping trolls.

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nate Nov 1, 2017 +74

We're going to have to cancel all of the Science AMAs soon because of this problem, NASA included. It's a very serious issue that is going to result in less quality, listnook-unique content being available. Additionally, we're told by the community team to promote AMAs by twitter and Facebook, but previously we were told not to do this, so which is it? If votes on our AMAs only count if people get to the bottom of their home feed (the #4 post on r/science is typically #900+ on the home feed), then why should anyone invest time in doing an AMA? The inconsistent messaging is quite frustrating.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +22

Hey I'm just a normal user and I don't understand what is happening. What is the issue with AMAs and algorithms suppressing them?

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nate Nov 1, 2017 +33

It's a complicated answer, I'm actually in the process of writing up a data based white paper on the subject for our partners who bring us AMA. The short version is that the algorithm for ranking posts rests on the poor assumption that users go directly to sublistnook front pages (like r/science) instead of just reading their home page. This is demonstrably false in some cases, and lesser false in others (AskListnook gets a fair number of people browsing directly, for example.) The algorithm uses the popularity of the top post on the sublistnook as a proxy for the direct traffic of the sublistnook and ranks posts relative to the top posts vote total. Science articles are quite popular it turns out, and when people see them they upvote them, this results in essentially the number of votes being limited by visibility, not quality or user interest. It's a bit complicated, so an hypothetical example is better: If you have subscribed to 50 sublistnooks, your first 50 posts in your home feed are the top posts of your subscriptions. (if you have more than 50 it's a random selection of 50, if you have listnook gold, it's 100.) These top posts are ranked in order of votes modified by the posting time (votes decay logarithmically with time.) So what happens next? How are posts 51 and up ranked? They are ranked relative to the number of votes the top post has, not the number of votes. If the #1 post from sublistnook A with 10,000 votes, and the number #50 post from sublistnook B with 100 votes, and the #2 post in sublistnook A has 1,000 votes, and #2 post in sublistnook B has 90 votes, #3 B has 80 votes, #4 has 75 votes, # 5 has 60 votes the ranking is: 1 Sub A 1 (10,000 votes) 50 Sub B 1 (100 votes) 51 Sub B 2 (90 votes) 55 Sub B 3 (80 votes) 65 Sub B 4 (75 votes) 100 Sub B 5 (60 votes) ... ... ... 350 Sub A #2 (1000 votes) This is called the "Tyranny of the Top Post" and it's something we've known about for a long time. Most people don't scroll down to post 350, and never see sub A post 2, it's buried. We've undertaken actions to counter this problem in the past, like messaging people and posting on twitter, even giving the AMAs the top spot for a short time for people to see, but recent actions have made it so that we can't do this anymore, it actually *negatively* impacts the visibility of the AMAs. The end result is that the top post in r/science will have (real numbers here) 65,000 votes, number two 2350 votes, and number 3 the AMA, 42 votes and 460 views. number 1 post r/science on my home feed is number **12** on the list. number 2 post is number **401** on my home feed. number 3 post, the AMA, is number **731** on my home feed. If you're subscribed to more that 50 subs, it's far worse. If you don't have listnook gold you'd have to load 15 pages from your home feed before you see the AMA. Empirically, AMAs are buried beyond visibility, it doesn't matter what the subject is, no one sees it.

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TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Nov 1, 2017 +43

I imagine there are a lot of processes that they can't talk too in-depth about with regard to bots and algorithms. It's kind of like how mods don't want to release the entirety of their automoderator conditions - if people know, they'll use the information to get around the "problem".

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +335

Right, I think what people want to know is if you're applying more pressure, looking to do things differently on the Anti-Evil team because, and I think a lot of us can agree, what's being done now is frankly not enough. r/politics was a cesspool of botting, brigading, and disruption. I've never in my life seen such a dramatic, intentional and negative shift in the temper of discourse on r/politics as I did this election cycle. There have bots have been kicking around for years, same with intelligence services, but this was another level. Active measures, right? You guys I'm sure have seen the public hearings at a minimum. The problem isn't going away, and by all accounts its going to get worse. What are you guys doing differently to adapt to the reality that this site is being, effectively, weaponized by foreign political interests?

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shiruken Nov 1, 2017 +241

Did Listnook sell advertisements to any Russian-backed organizations pushing divisive political messages? Almost every major internet company has found instances of this happening, so I'd be shocked if Listnook was the exception.

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HAL9000000 Nov 1, 2017 +380

You guys didn't do a very good job during the election of shutting down Russian trolls. Can you acknowledge this? Also, do you see it as Listnook's responsibility to try to correct news/information that is false/fake? I know you can't realistically do it everywhere, but at least on stories that are widely shared? **EDIT:** To clarify my first comment, and in more direct terms: Is it true, as I suspect, that you basically didn't do anything to stop Russian/foreign manipulation of American politics during the election? If this is not true, can you tell us what you did do during/before the election, and if you are doing more now to stop foreign influence of American politics on Listnook?

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mac_question Nov 1, 2017 +193

I can't be the only one who finds this answer completely unsatisfactory. I hope to hear much, *much* more in the coming months, man. This is the biggest thing going on **the entire Internet** right now. Which, at one point, I thought y'all cared deeply about.

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SenatorCockface Nov 1, 2017 +471

Do you ever sit down and think "God, what did I just get myself into?"

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +698

Yes. I forgot to turn Post Replies off today. Honestly, there have been times over the years, but they are few and far between. Yes, it can be intense and stressful at times, but we are very proud of Listnook and the positive impact it has on people's lives. I know it's not perfect, but we improve every day. I feel so fortunate to have the opportunity to make a difference, not everybody gets this opportunity, and I think we have a moral obligation to make the most of it.

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1The_Mighty_Thor Nov 1, 2017 +73

>Yes. I forgot to turn Post Replies off today. Perhaps it should be available as an option after a post is created.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +1349

And r/incels needs something done about it, they claim to be a support group but encourage suicide

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ikcaj Nov 1, 2017 +73

I should not have had to scroll this far down to find the first mention of this group. This is not a sarcastic, satire, nor "just venting" sub. This group actively recruits emotionally fragile young males for the sole purpose of instilling, thus spreading, a violent hatred of women. I'm a professional mental health therapist and diagnostician, and while I have no way of diagnosing actual individuals behind the posts, I can tell you with absolute certainty the ideologies posted and encouraged there are 100% textbook serial rapist material, with many falling into serial killer territory. I would be very surprised if violent assaults against women have not already been triggered in part by participation in that group. u/Spez I guarantee you, give them enough time and they will make nation headlines. Of all the groups concerning people this is the one that needs your attention immediately. A woman is going to die because of the group. If you don't believe me, as you have no real reason to do so, please contact any mental health professionals or profilers of your choice, get their opinions.

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alts_for_all Nov 1, 2017 +188

I'm honestly surprised they didn't ban /r/incels during the last batch of banning and would love to know the thought process behind leaving it. The problem with banning TD is that it's the sub for the sitting president and it would be a huge shitshow. No one's going to care about /r/incels except the people who post there and it reflects really poorly on the site.

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SwineHerald Nov 2, 2017 +31

They could have banned it before it was the sublistnook for a sitting president, but instead [Spez got drunk and edited some of their posts like a f****** child](https://np.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/) so now the admins treat t_d with kid gloves, lest they be accused of "censorship."

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Derigiberble Nov 1, 2017 +65

There's a sublistnook that is straight up devoted to supporting people who have chosen to commit suicide. Attempting to talk people out of it is against the rules. Not going to link to it because it is an extraordinarily dangerous place, but [I did want to share this morbidly hilarious ad which is currently at the top of the page and which shows the danger hosting these sublistnooks present for advertisers](http://i.imgur.com/Syc1ND2.png) Fixed link

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EMQG Nov 1, 2017 +196

u/spez let's hear something about this one, too. This sublistnook regularly advocates for r***, murder, and suicide. What're you going to do about it?

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Pindar80 Nov 1, 2017 +1257

Interested in hearing the impact of ‘/all’ and ‘/popular’ now that it has been well established. Any thoughts on that? Did it achieve what you hopped, any headlines positive / negative impacts ? Edit: grammar

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +1462

I don't have the exact numbers, but yes, r/popular increased engagement from new users, which was the goal.

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SorryNotSorry_Canada Nov 1, 2017 +2016

My wife is one of those newly engaged users! Whereas listnook used to be some inaccessible nerd bubble in her view, she now loves it and browses /r/popular almost everyday. She has no desire to see the NSFW posts or subscribe to any specific sublistnooks but she really enjoys the balance of news, jokes, pictures of cute animals, gifs of cute animals, videos of cute animals and so on. And the real cherry on top is that now anytime we hear mention of broken arms in real life, my wife shoots me a knowing smile and we both know she's thinking about some dude having sex with his mom. And it warms my heart. So thanks, /u/spez.

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Aegior Nov 1, 2017 +485

>my wife shoots me a knowing smile and we both know she's thinking about some dude having sex with his mom. And it warms my heart. So thanks, /u/spez . This is what job fulfillment looks like.

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SorryNotSorry_Canada Nov 1, 2017 +219

If /u/spez didn’t want to propagate incest memes I’m not sure why he came to the internet in the first place.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +712

Will the search function ever improve?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +658

It's actively improving! We have an entirely new system. Uptime is dramatically better (80s to the 99.9%), and relevancy is improved. We're continuing to refine it. I believe there are a small percentage of users still on the old system so we can measure the improvement, and if this includes you, I'm really really sorry.

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turikk Nov 1, 2017 +129

I would love if it the listnook team took some time to better document the ways the advanced (amazon based) search can be used. It helps moderators build queries that they can point users to, even if the user themselves might not be typing them from scratch. For example, all posts from the previous 48 hours, excluding the last 24 hours is something people would probably want to see ("I had no internet yesterday - what did I miss?").

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Mafiya_chlenom_K Nov 1, 2017 +11

I have a real-world to go with your example. I have a bot that makes word clouds from the /r/hockey GDTs. Sometimes the bot can't do a thread for some reason or another, and getting just yesterday's threads would be amazing. I already know how to do the inclusion, but not the exclusion you mention. Right now it manually checks the created dates.

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anthropophagus Nov 1, 2017 +41

it has always been a laugh to me that i have to hit up my search engine of choice with site:listnook.com if i want to find *anything* on this websit

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imaginarytoby Nov 1, 2017 +927

Will there ever be any improvement to the messaging system on Listnook? Or prehaps a text formating bar for typing on mobile?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +826

Yes! It's in active development. The redesign includes rich text editing for posts, comments, and messages, as well as an overhaul of the inbox entirely.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +242

Give the admins working on the redesign our thanks. I talked to one at a mod meetup, and she told me "I'm working on search...no not in the way you're thinking of." I look forward to hating the change because it's different.

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paraffin Nov 1, 2017 +40

> rich text editing Please please please let us continue to use markdown-like syntax, and to set that as an account default. Many of us hate rich text editors with a passion.

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herennius Nov 1, 2017 +908

Why was it only in the last week that the new policy on violence was instated? What is the process like for considering and implementing new/changed policies?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +868

There were two main reasons. The first is that we take our time on policy changes. We want to be thoughtful about the policy itself, which takes time, and the policy roll-out was done in conjunction with mass enforcement actions, which also take time to plan and coordinate. The second reason is that we waited until we had more staff on our Trust and Safety team so we guarantee coverage. Finally, in the wake of Charlottesville, which was my home for five years, I was quite emotional, and it took time to think clearly about what we were going to do.

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orochi Nov 1, 2017 +209

Followup question: Why aren't you guys actually enforcing the policy? I have several examples where the admins literally shook their shoulders and did f*** all in response to a group of users targeting a single user telling him to "drink bleach", to "kill himself" and many other fun things. Was Anderson Cooper going to report on the shit thats going on at listnook again? Is that why you decided to pay lip service instead of actually enforcing the policy you guys pushed out?

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GhostsofDogma Nov 1, 2017 +18

Yuuup. I had to abandon and scrub my old account because some nutjob started stalking me on here, to the point where he replied to all of my posts with gory fantasies and made a frankly terrifying sublistnook about me which he used to track and organize information about my life and attempt to use it to discover my location. I reported this to the admins and nothing happened. Great job, guys!

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +6

Righto, [here we go,](https://i.imgur.com/iGXuTES.jpg) piggybacking off the most relevant comment... * The original announcement for this was r/Modnews not r/Announcements. [Why](https://i.imgur.com/mFXSlOr.jpg), really? All we got [when the question was raised](https://np.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovjyhn/) - by bloody /u/Deimorz himself mind you, the legend who created Automod *and* an ex Admin (from memory) - was boiled down to a ' rule change affects mods first, Wait for Stevo's AMA'. Mainly I reckon cos of /u/Alabastardly's comment further down the original comment thread: >"Yeah, because if they posted on /r/announcements they would get bombarded with people pointing out the problems and obvious double-standards of enforcement." Which I've just realised I did down there when drafting this comment (heh) Oh well. /u/AllTheFoxes sums it up perfectly I reckon: >"I mean, we all know why." * Are we actually going to have [this convo about WPD](https://np.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovp8rb/) in our Modmail or was it just a response on the fly? What is "borderline", exactly? Or is going to turn out like the [451 ban in Germany](https://np.listnook.com/r/watchpeopledie/comments/3gyu4c/about_germany/) where we got a statement with no further interaction? BTW you should fix that, poor buggers at r/WatchPeopleDieInside can't be accessed from Deutschland either. * In regards to the above, could you also explain why we are gunna have said convo when other subs just got banned outright for similar content like r/law13 copped ([Screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/9ZM9vxS.png)\) with no time or ability to change anything before you dropped the ban hammer on em? What happened to "Quarantine" status on subs or creating a dialog with Mods you lot were touting a while back, or has that idea been [piffed out the window](https://i.imgur.com/aDAK1PK.jpg) now, or what? * [This comment](https://np.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovjxcp/) by /u/Grickit with the [follow up](https://np.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovnshv/) by /u/ImNotJesus is a pretty bloody clear indicator of the reasoning most people - including meself - are reckonin this rule change is actually about. You didn't answer it there, [you wanna address it here](https://i.imgur.com/h2MYb8N.jpg)? * For those following along who haven't read the rules for inciting or encouraging violence, here they are again; >Do not post content that encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people; likewise, do not post content that glorifies or encourages the abuse of animals. We understand there are sometimes reasons to post violent content (e.g., educational, newsworthy, artistic, satire, documentary, etc.) so if you’re going to post something violent in nature that does not violate these terms, ensure you provide context to the viewer so the reason for posting is clear. >If your content is borderline, please use a NSFW tag. Even mild violence can be difficult for someone to explain to others if they open it unexpectedly. So, if we slap a NSFW tag on the link - which is automatically done in WPDs case, for example - provide context (also done by descriptive titles) and 9/10ths of the time backed up by articles detailing the events in the comments (newsworthy) then we are sorted, right? If not, why not? And again, what's "Borderline" exactly? * If the answer to the above is no, here's a list of other subs (not inclusive of course, just ones I can think of straight off the bat) that *will* fall short of the rules as they are right now. r/Streetfights (obviously glorification of violence) r/BestofWorldStar, r/FightPorn, r/HDFights etc etc r/MMA (however skilled they are and in a controlled environment, still Glorification of violence ain't it?), r/Boxing, r/MMAMemes, r/Kickboxing, etc etc r/NatureIsMetal (Glorification of animal on animal violence however educational it is), r/NatureIsBrutal (Gone private, I presume in reaction to this rule change) r/AnimalsKillingPeople etc The pro and Anti Trump sublistnooks (not gunna drop em all here as the anti-TD would fill the comment character limit) I presume, only stepped foot in TD twice (figuratively speaking) for an ISIS Vid request I was pinged on, but everyone is dropping it in response to the original r/Modnews post. And we all know the good ol 'Punch a Nazi' from here by now so that covers the Left. I filter both from me FP Meself as politics shits me.... Say, *there's* an idea for everyone, don't like sub contents, **don't go there**. Huh, thought that'd be common sense. Hang on a tic, just had [this linked to me](https://np.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovnpl3/) by a fellow mod who ventures into those subs, showing both sides breaking the Sitewide rules. Funnily enough, it's from the aforementioned r/ModNews post. As was [this too](https://www.listnook.com/r/sublistnookcancer/comments/790u0t/the_listnook_admins_removed_a_post_calling_out/)... Wow. I don't buy into SRC these days but damn, I mean why bother having a dialog in the first place when you can just yank stuff not agreeable ey? Sorry, I digress... r/4chan, r/Bestof4chan, r/GreenText et al. Listnook ain't /b/, so posts about beating up Autistic kids and users telling each other to KYS in comments? Yep, Inciting *and* glorifying violence. Again, there would be several smaller subs around the joint with similar content that I don't know of. Which brings me to my next point... * Why are nearly all of the banned subs smaller, obscure fringe subs? Culling them before they grow? Larger subs with the same or similar content are still going with nary a word about em. * Why not just tell these subs to go private? Get em to deselect the r/all checkbox and let em do their thing, instead of changing the rules to accommodate? Sure, it'd be a pain in the ring-gear for mods to screen everyone that wants in, but they get their content, you guys would surely have a filter for private subs so you can check they ain't actually breaking rules or law, people who aren't suited to view said content can't accidentally stumble in, win-win-win. * Finally; What's to stop, say, a bunch of people coming in to a sub they don't like and shitposting violent drivel in an effort to get it shut down? Do we just chuck another 2 dozen mods on the team and let em loose? Granted, that could have happened pre-Rule change, but y'know, with the subject being fresh and all... Looking forward to an Admin response - if one is given. Or that aforementioned convo in MM. Of this comment ain't removed in the first place, that is. Cheers. Ps: the memes are in there cos I was bored at work.

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YoureNotEvenWhite Nov 1, 2017 +233

Mobile user here... Are you guys looking to implement more detailed sublistnook info on the mobile app? When I go onto a sublistnook, I'm currently unable to view the sublistnook rules, etc. and a lot of times have my posts removed because of my lack of information. Thank you!

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +117

Submit-time validation is high on our list. That'll mean users get errors immediately instead of being surprised later. Should help, I think.

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gett-itt Nov 1, 2017 +18

What about when you make a small mistake in a post title that bounces back and have to wait 8 or more minuets to repost/try again. I can see how this complaint seems petty, but it can be very annoying especially for minor mistakes. I’ve just given up on a post sometimes because of this. I don’t always have enough time on my break to come back. Again, petty I know. But still

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +338

Listnook Inc looks for bots and other forms of manipulation. Whether around politics, advertising, or general cheating, we spend quite a bit of time on this, and have since pretty much the beginning. Everyone once and a while someone gets the best of us, but we continually improve, and it's rare they succeed twice. Listnook itself is more resilient than other places online because our community is generally pretty good at sniffing out bullshit, and structure of our site means any one viewpoint isn't seen and accepted by everyone. People have this notion that something is either misinformation or not, but the reality is there is a lot of space between misinformation, satire, people just being wrong, trolling, and biased reporting. That said, our largest news communities strictly enforce specific rules about which sources are considered valid.

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113243211557911 Nov 1, 2017 +93

It honestly seems to me that Listnook has given free pass to certain companies and organisations. over the years. For whatever reason. Like the blatant oil company shilling, whenever there is an oil spill there is a barrage of the exact same comments they have used for years: 'oh it's only 3.8 swimming pools of oil, vs deepwater horizon', 'this was only the equivalent to 2 tanker trucks' etc. PR spam instantly fills the comments every time. Or how about anything mentioning Monsanto, and the obvious accounts that only comment on those threads 9-5 everyday defending them.

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frogjg2003 Nov 2, 2017 +17

I've yet to see a Monsanto shill anywhere on Listnook, and I try to find those comment threads. All I find are people who have no idea what they're talking about treating Monsanto like the greatest evil in the world. Edit: just to be clear, I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm just skeptical of anyone who could point to a pro-GMO comment or a pro-glyphosate comment, or even an entire sublistnook and say that someone is being paid off. Considering that the scientific community is fairly unanimous on the safety and efficacy of GMOs and glyphosate, a few die hard pro-GMO commenters simply dedicating their free time to correcting misinformation is no less unusual than any other science based activism.

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AssistX Nov 1, 2017 +80

Out of curiosity, do you think that it is bots when there's a political post with 30 comments and 5000+ upvotes? Or do you believe that it's normal for that type of voting to go on? I feel like when I look through the top 500 of r/all there's a good 30+ political posts that have hardly any comments and tens of thousands of upvotes. Who is upvoting these posts and not commenting on them? Has listnook ever looked into requiring a user to comment in order to vote on a post? Wouldn't this alleviate, or make evident, the botting issue?

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random_guy_11235 Nov 1, 2017 +9

> structure of our site means any one viewpoint isn't seen and accepted by everyone That's interesting; I've always thought exactly the opposite about Listnook's structure -- the comment voting system seems specifically aimed at making sure the most popular viewpoint is the only one seen by most users.

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daveime Nov 1, 2017 +5252

> Additionally, we’ll be slowly migrating folks over to the new profile pages over the next few months, and two-factor authentication rollout should be fully released in a few weeks. Are either of these opt-out? The new profile pages I've seen leave me lost and confused, but I'll be damned if I'm tying my Facebook profile or mobile phone number to my login.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +497

I really hope this is opt-out. If they ever try to make people put a real name on this site I'm sure there will be a competing site getting a lot more users.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +1326

I want to know this as well. I don't need my profile page to be Twitter or Facebook-lite. I don't have either of those for a reason.

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Portarossa Nov 1, 2017 +654

I *don't* have those for a reason, namely that I find them real fuckin' irritating. I really hope Listnook doesn't go the same way.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +313

Years ago, there was a huge migration of users from Digg to here which helped solidify Listnook as a huge hub on the internet. What caused everybody to leave Digg you ask? Adding a bunch of BS social media features that the community was against from the beginning.

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ListedOne Nov 2, 2017 +8

As you've pointed out, people left Digg because it was effectively lobotomized by its new owners. Whatever value Digg once held as a social media platform was destroyed by those changes. If Listnook isn't careful, it will repeat Digg's mistakes and destroy the social media demand that it currently enjoys. So, don't break what's not broken.

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Not_Weirder Nov 1, 2017 +332

What are your thoughts about /u/gallowboob ? Do you think that it is a big step on Listnooks side of him getting a job by having the most karma?

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +249

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +245

First answer: the average age of a post on Listnook's page is dramatically lower now than it was 3-4 years ago (a couple hours vs close to 20). I think people's expectations are higher. Second answer: the mobile app is much more aggressive about content turnover. We have a test running where every time you open the app you see new content. The web behavior lags because we're in the middle of rebuilding it, but it'll speed up as well.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +441

So, what have you done to look into Russian interference on listnook?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +341

I would love to be completely transparent about what we're doing here, but given the sensitive nature of the situation, I have to be vague. My apologies. Independent of any scrutiny, we take both the integrity of Listnook and the US elections extremely seriously. We're digging deeply. Chris (u/keysersosa, CTO) and I are personally leading the effort. When we have something to share, we will.

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non-troll_account Nov 1, 2017 +81

Thanks for admitting why you have to be vague. Just being fed bullshit is one thing, but bring told why that bullshit is the only thing available on the menu, that makes a difference.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +398

spez, do you care to comment on the rumors of you being a reptilian android clone?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +919

You must have me confused with [someone else](https://www.listnook.com/r/zuckmemes/).

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maybethrowed Nov 1, 2017 +62

*unironically links to r/zuckermemes* *ironically is inching listnook closer to being like facebook by implementing profile pages*

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AlRoker666 Nov 1, 2017 +1377

Why is a group of squid not called a squad?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +1079

Is there even such a thing as a group of squid? I thought they were they were independent types.

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insert_topical_pun Nov 1, 2017 +248

[Squid do swarm.](https://youtu.be/f3-9w45prfk?t=23s) [It's less adorable when it's humboldt squid.] (https://youtu.be/AQKs1-fwTgU?t=6m10s)

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hpcisco7965 Nov 1, 2017 +23

>It's less adorable when it's humboldt squid. Gonna disagree with you on that one. Their big floppy fins look like big floppy Dumbo the elephant ears and this amuses me.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +2299

1. Please remove r/ice_poseidon from r/all, or maybe listnook altogether. It's a whole sub dedicated to abusing and bullying a streamers girlfriend and this week has taken to spamming p***. It's toxic. 2. You owe the community an explanation as to why the_donald is allowed to continue to operate after another one of listnooks famous clean ups. Thanks. Edit 2: seeing as this is gaining prominence perhaps.we can talk about r/freshmodels and why listnook is ok with paedophilia? Edit: by r/all I meant r/popular. However u/spez has chosen to pretend that I edited in my second question for some reason. To clarify; I did not.

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +846

We're taking another pass at r/popular, Listnook's default listing, as we speak, and I expect their remove. r/all will remain unfiltered, but it's opt-in. edit: you added a second question after I answered. See my [response re the_donald](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_for_my_quarterly_inquisition_listnook_ceo_here/dp708xx/).

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +421

Any chance that users will be able to filter more than 100 sublistnooks? For users who don't want politics, games they don't play, certain memes, or certain nsfw subs, surely the count is well over 100 now. Not to mention languages we can't speak so we can't really participate in those. There are so many sublistnooks big enough to hit /r/all now.

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +370

I'm not sure off the top of my head if there is a performance reason or if it's arbitrary. I can follow up, and if it's the latter, it's an easy change.

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Cakeofdestiny Nov 1, 2017 +19

It'd be awesome if the cap was increased. It's a really good feature, and even just doubling the cap (if it IS a performance issue) will make the filter much better. If it is a performance issue, what do you think about putting the cap increase behind a gold membership?

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enz1ey Nov 1, 2017 +80

Speaking of /r/popular, I think the algorithm or whatever needs adjusted. For most people, it's really no different that the front page, and /r/all includes a bunch of c*** I think a lot of people aren't interested in, so most days we're just looking at the same ~15 posts all day. There was a time when I first joined Listnook that if you didn't check the front page regularly throughout the day, you were very likely to miss something big and be "out of the loop" to say on the meta stuff and references. Now the front page from last night is what I saw upon opening Listnook this morning, slightly changed. It seems very stale these days. /r/popular fixed that for a very short time, but now it's just as "static" as the front page. I don't see the point of it currently.

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Lucidification Nov 1, 2017 +1005

Are you selling our data?

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tecnocrat Nov 1, 2017 +590

What is listnook doing to find and shut down toxic communities before they rise to the level of media prominence?

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spez Nov 1, 2017 +179

We have a more clear content policy than we've had in the past, we've staffed our team to handle more load, and we have internal processes to speed decision making. The result is that we are in fact getting to toxic communities far quicker than we have in the past. This is evidenced by the size of communities themselves. In 2015/16, these communities were often 50k+ subscribers. In the most recent wave, the largest community was about 7k.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +239

To be clear, only [3 sublistnooks have ever been banned with 50k+ subscribers.](https://www.listnook.com/r/ListOfSublistnooks/wiki/listofsublistnooks#wiki_defunct) One was an amazon spam sublistnook (seems unrelated to your post), one was thefappening, and the last was fatpeoplehate. 50k+ was much much harder to achieve back then though.

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drchopsalot Nov 1, 2017 +88

Pineapple on pizza or no?

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iamthatis Nov 1, 2017 +1896

1) The Listnook API support and documentation is woeful right now. Are there plans to change that? I [recently built a Listnook app for iOS](https://www.listnook.com/r/apple/comments/787rtu/introducing_apollo_a_brand_new_listnook_experience/) and it was not an easy process. Communication with Listnook often times took upwards of a year to hear anything back, the API documentation is woefully lacking in many areas, and often times there will be breaking API changes where developers receive absolutely no notice (one instance being the recent addition of "blocked users" which [completely broke the "friends" API](https://www.listnook.com/r/changelog/comments/5i5o6s/listnook_change_filter_incoming_messages_to_trusted/db5ktax/) causing a big break in my app with no notice and I had to scramble to fix it). I know we don't pay anything to use the API, but the communication is *really* rough right now, as well as the documentation. I'd be happy to pay. I pay a small fee to Imgur to use their API and their support is phenomenal, and quick, and their documentation outstanding. 2) Why is there such inconsistency among usage of Snoo in app icons? I got a call from Listnook a few days ago telling me to change [my icon](https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apollo-listnook-client/id979274575?mt=8) because it's too similar to Snoo, but there are [tons of other apps in the App Store that literally have Snoo in their icon](https://www.listnook.com/r/apolloapp/comments/79cgnf/some_other_listnook_apps_icons_in_the_app_store/), pixel for pixel, and are getting frequent updates for years without any issues. While I disagree that my icon is "confusingly similar to the Listnook logo" (I designed it with notable differences that distance it), why not enforce the rule uniformly and consistently? It really feels like I was targeted specifically because my app was popular, and you've had years to go after other violations. EDIT: Ah man, was really hoping for an answer.

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iamthatis Nov 1, 2017 +23

See, I honestly don't think Listnook's that evil. Imgur is similar with their own first-party app, but as I mentioned above they're super fast with support requests, and their documentation is incredibly thorough. I think third party apps and first party apps can coexist peacefully.

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russiandressing Nov 1, 2017 +294

They should just hire you because your app > their app. The age old adage of, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." Plus, you seem to be one of those people that I would describe as someone who "just gets it". Anyway, good work, /u/iamthatis.

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iamthatis Nov 1, 2017 +265

I appreciate that, but I really think they can live harmoniously. It's just a really big downer that I want to build this app for Listnook, but instead of being able to do that I'm spending a bunch of time having a back and forth with Listnook trying to figure out why I'm being singled out and what's wrong with my icon and okay with all the other ones that literally copy the logo. I really just want to build the app. Twitter has a blue bird as their logo, and lets third party apps such as [Tweetbot](https://tapbots.com/tweetbot/) and [Twitterrific](http://twitterrific.com/mac) use transformed birds as their logo. My app's name is an homage to the Apollo 11 astronauts, so I built the logo to be an astronaut. It has similar eyes to Snoo, but it's wearing a helmet, has a different color scheme, different antenna, no mouth, no ears, etc. Other than the eyes, I think it's sufficiently transformed that it shouldn't be confusing to users, while still maintaining the fact that it's a Listnook app. I think it walks the line well and shouldn't be singled out, especially when other apps are given a pass for years.

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[deleted] Nov 2, 2017 +15

I just wanted to add a little known fact to the discussion: [Apparently, Ollie, the Twitterrific bird, predates the use of a bird by Twitter](http://furbo.org/2013/06/28/the-origin-of-tweet/). So, actually, the Twitter logo is a transformed version of Ollie, not the other way around. Other than that, you're absolutely right, it's ridiculous the way Listnook enforces this. Your logo bears little resemblance to the official one. And there are apps that use the official logo **pixel by pixel**. I hope this ends well, and you get to use your logo unchanged, because I love it.

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russiandressing Nov 1, 2017 +120

Couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, it does seem that they're picking on you due to Apollo's success. Kind of a backhanded compliment. Ha.

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iamthatis Nov 1, 2017 +71

People have told me to look at it like that, but given the choice of it or just being left completely alone I'd certainly take the latter. :/

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AReluctantRedditor Nov 1, 2017 +20

To be honest, I thought that it was pretty similar but if I know enough about it to know what snoo is I can tell them apart

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iamthatis Nov 1, 2017 +38

And that's fair, but that was my goal. [Listnook's API terms](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSezNdDNK1-P8mspSbmtC2r86Ee9ZRbC66u929cG2GX0T9UMyw/viewform) only state that the icon shouldn't be "confusingly similar" or "imply endorsement", and I don't think my icon will confuse users as to what is the official logo, nor does it imply that we have an endorsement thing going. Like I mentioned with Twitter somewhere else in this thread, Twitter allows third party developers to use a "blue bird" in their app icons (such as Twitterrific and Tweetbot) because it would be ridiculous to disallow a third party app from conveying what service it's a part of, you're just not allowed to be confusing about it and make it seem like it may be the official Twitter app. I think Apollo follows the same rule.

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Trankman Nov 1, 2017 +107

Well they "just hired" the guy that made Alien Blue. Now AB is dead and we have the official app. I'd prefer Apollo stay alive

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BlackMarketDealer Nov 1, 2017 +213

Just wanted to let you know I love your app so far, way better than the Official App IMHO.

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iamthatis Nov 1, 2017 +94

Appreciate that, thanks. I like the official app too, Listnook has a lot of really talented engineers and designers, it's just not personally to my taste.

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TheGirlWithTheCurl Nov 1, 2017 +16

Same. I like the official Listnook app fine, but it just didn’t have some of the things I had gotten accustomed to with baconreader, so I never switched over fully. Apollo has come out and it feels so natural it’s an automatic win for me. (Would like to see one change but so far it’s not a dealbreaker). There’s enough room for everyone to play. Listnook will not want to lose market share right about now because they’re looking to monetize their app and they will be looking at how that adds to Listnook’s ability to generate revenue in general.

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coiled_mahogany Nov 1, 2017 +25

[Hmmm.](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f8/55/ed/f855edaeaafa145b61e96c29e1111f76--being-ignored-quotes-story-of-my-life.jpg)

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PeelerNo44 Nov 1, 2017 +13

This is good post. Good api documentation, and shared resources between developers and users always seems to enrich a community. I hope you get a response of some kind at some point. Thanks for the post.

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mizmoxiev Nov 1, 2017 +39

This is the reason we backburnered our IOS app for listnook as well. /u/spez any ideas?

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +867

Why is /r/FreshModels (NSFW child p*** content) and it's network allowed to exist on this site. They have toddlers on their sublistnook header and posts [like this](https://i.imgur.com/01jJaD7.jpg) are currently on their front page. And we're supposed to believe them making comments about six year old little girls like "She's just so compact and beautiful" isn't sexualizing them in any way? What about the girl in the pic I linked? What sort of comments are they making about this child that looks barely old enough to start school? > So cute. > > Something about this makes her look so grown-up. > > Her eyes are mesmerizing > > Can't stop gazing into them > > She looks so cute sitting there. Maybe a little bored though. Looks like her mummy left her watching the bags while she's trying on clothes. > > Wish I went to her school. > > Perfect. > > Amazingly cute. People can't post pictures of adult women to sexualize them without their permission, so why can they do it with children? EDIT: It looks like the sub I linked has been banned now but the rest of their network like /r/FreshDancers, /r/FreshGymnasts, and more remain up in case their main sub got banned. EDIT2: I guess they're scared because they're quickly setting all of their pedo subs to private.

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mercival Nov 1, 2017 +229

>People can't post pictures of adult women to sexualize them without their permission, so why can they do it with children? Apparently they can, only if it's showing their dead body. NSFL https://www.listnook.com/r/CuteFemaleCorpses/ I'd advise not going there. Pretty disgusting, and pretty obviously against listnook rules, and pretty disappointing to see them still condoning it. > Listnook prohibits the posting of photographs, videos, or digital images of any person in a state of nudity or engaged in any act of sexual conduct, taken or posted without their permission. Other prohibited content includes child sexual abuse imagery, content that encourages or promotes pedophilia, as well as content that glorifies or promotes r*** or non-consensual sexual violence. But they never have (and I assume never will) addressed this. It'd take a celebrity to get posted in there for things to change.

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Ekudar Nov 1, 2017 +174

This community has been banned This sublistnook was banned due to a violation of our content policy (https://www.listnook.com/help/contentpolicy/). Banned 5 minutes ago.

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Sw429 Nov 1, 2017 +143

The honest truth is that there are such a large number of sublistnooks that it is difficult for administration to keep tabs on them all without the help of users reporting these things. The admins aren't just "letting" these subs exist on the site. They simply aren't aware of them.

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telekinetic_turd Nov 1, 2017 +63

And it doesn't help that users can create subs with misleading names, such as /r/PeopleFuckingDying. It takes active users to submit rule breaking subs by either PMing /r/listnook.com or emailing to contact@listnook.com.

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RealJackAnchor Nov 1, 2017 +36

The problem is I've seen Cutefemalecorpses (and many other fucked up sublistnook) linked in these listnook admin threads for literal years. Nothing. They want to act now? Feels like there's a reason to do it now, but why didn't they have the same reason then?

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KnightOwlForge Nov 1, 2017 +19

IMO, Spez is getting bombarded with requests to ban subs in these comments. He/The admins aren't going to target the big money makers that a majority of users want to see removed, so why not target these small sublistnooks now? Then they can show that they ARE in fact taking action based on what is commented here... That's what I'm seeing anyway.

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Jess_than_three Nov 1, 2017 +9

Um no, they can do it for adults literally all the time. There are a million sublistnooks chock full of n*** photos of women with no indication that they were shared with their subjects' permission - and not, for example, by an angry ex-boyfriend who was supposed to be the only one to ever see them. In fact, it's worse than that, because there's any amount of n*** selfie, photos screenshotted from snapchat, etc. - which is often associated with a *lack* of consent to share. This rule, which was created in response to a huge dump of stolen celebrity n****, exists **only** for one reason: to give listnook's admins something to point to *next* time stolen n*** photos of someone wealthy enough to cause them trouble show up on the site. It does literally nothing for any other person.

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isaaciiv Nov 1, 2017 +55

Congrats /u/mercival you managed to get the admins to remove the sub that people have been complaining about for years :O

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Scarbane Nov 1, 2017 +20

What sucks is that comments bringing subs like this to light also exposes their existence to predators that didn't know about it.

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I_WATCHED_ALOHA_AMA Nov 1, 2017 +990

I would love to use the mobile web site without constantly being harangued [this content is best viewed in our mobile app] into installing the app. Like actually clicking [this content is best viewed in our mobile app] images without having to dismiss a call to action to install the app. I just [this content is best viewed in our mobile app] want to use the website. I get that app installs and usage is a metric that [this content is best viewed in our mobile app] boards love to see but can we please get an opt out flag for using the site without being bombarded by [this content is best viewed in our mobile app] dark patterns.

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Durrok Nov 1, 2017 +105

In regards to the site wide rule changes we keep seeing Listnook acting in reaction to things when they receive a lot of publicity but when the publicity fades away sublistnooks and users who were removed are back under a new name. As noted on the [modnews post](https://www.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/) by /u/grickit [here](https://www.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovjxcp/) and followed up with /u/imnotjesus comment [here](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/2fpdax/time_to_talk/ckbga2v/?context=5#ckbga2v) this has been a cycle we have been going through for years. Can you talk to specifics on why this time will be different? Specifically the kinds of resources you are dedicating not just in a push but consistently throughout to continue enforcement of these rules? Hiring people and dedicating their time to this seems to be the only way to accomplish this. I know you have done some hiring in this realm but we still seem to be stuck in this cyclical nature. BTW I am fully aware, as I'm sure you are, that trying to enforce these standards is akin to a Kobayashi Maru. The harder you squeeze, the more adamantly the elements you are trying to remove from Listnook will fight back. The more lackadaisical you are to the various violent content/threats on the site the more negative PR and general user complaints you receive. I wish you luck in your endeavors, you will need it.

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[deleted] Nov 17, 2017 +20

Hello spez, I am a well known listnookor, and I have recently been suspsended, banned from places I love, and my personal shitposting sublistnooks have been banned. I know exactly why they were banned, and it was because /u/soarel2 [+1] , the most infamous loli-pedophile and furry degenerate I have ever met from the cesspools of sjw and feminist dogma I have ever witnessed, REPORTS ME EVERY YEAR, since 2011 trying to get me site-wide banned. I have thousands of screenshots that should lead to this man's own personal banning (and his loli-pedophilia nfsw sublistnooks) Not to mention, my beloved sublistnook (he made) /r/lukecis has been permanently banned by your mod team for no reason other than "harassment" harassment has not taken place on that place since 2014, I believe, and it was all just random joke and memes about soarel's degeneracy, I only post jokes, and memes, your mod team seems to think it is all hate speech, I do not agree, I believe your team has been misled and subverted by convert soarel2 dog-shit claims and his cabal of loli pedophile ring of autism that cannot be left to stand. I will now provide proof and evidence of his absolutely bat-shit insane Incel ideology mixed with feminist agenda. Here is a link. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wUZe026tJiD8s2AzJE23PmPKwlXYJTdY also your admins specifically /u/Ocrasorm never replied to any of my pleas for help, which I sent tens of, and have had over 20 people ask the same thing. On top of this /u/st 3500 has been banning me non-stop from /r/shittydarksouls after removing me as a mod because he just doesn't like me, after I had served faithfully for a very long time, I really hope you guys can contact the owner or top mods of the sublistnook and restore me as mod, and remove him, for he has abandoned his duty and has no care for the sublistnook, only contempt EDIT: ST3500 has doxxed me, given out my locations, ip's and banned me from multiple discords and left my own, please help!

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huadpe Nov 1, 2017 +74

I asked [this question](https://www.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovvyns/) on the other thread but did not get a reply, so I'm re-posting it here: --- So I have a question about this as a mod of r/changemyview. Our current rules prohibit threats of violence against any individual user of Listnook. We expressly do NOT however ban people from posting views which might express sympathy with racism or violence against generalized groups. We take the position that we would want to help people holding such views to change those views. But that requires that we not prohibit their mention. Would this require us to change our rules to prohibit such content?

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LouisCaravan Nov 1, 2017 +23

Hi Spez, Is there any possibility there could be stricter guidelines/guardrails on bots within subs? It's a minor issue, but I frequent a lot of sublistnooks, and I see bots that are increasingly generic and unnecessary popping up. Just speaking personally, it's a little annoying to scroll through a thread for only a few posts before seeing a main post, followed by a bot, followed by "Good Bot," followed by a bot, followed by people summoning all sorts of other bots through otherwise basic text inputs. It takes away from the focus of the thread and encourages derailing discussions, and it only gets worse when they're heavily upvoted by other bots/trolls to make them much higher than they need to be. I do block them, but people keep making more. There are bots that pop up now when you use "I am..." in your post as some sort of "dad joke." It would be nice if these types of automated systems were approved first before being released on your site.

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orochi Nov 1, 2017 +242

> Last week we expanded our content policy to clarify our stance around violent content you mean the one you're not enforcing? Check my recent modmails to /r/listnook.com. Apparently a guy using multiple alts to spam an entire modteam with "kill yourself" is a-okay with you guys as despite an admin "dealing with him", all his accounts are still active. Or the accounts in one thread harassing a user telling him to "drink bleach" and other fun stuff. Despite all these accounts violating your revised policy on violent content, using alts to harass somebody, pointing where all the users are coming from a specific thread in a different sublistnook, and an admin reviewing it, you guys are perfectly content to not action the accounts under your new policy despite happening after the policy was implemented. So when are you guys actually going to enforce your policy outside a few token bans to make it look like you're serious?

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Specte Nov 1, 2017 +116

When listnook video was announced, I know several people brought up concerns of youtube videos being stolen and uploaded to it, stealing revenue from the creators. You guys didn't seem to think that would be an issue, but there have been several posts that made it on the front page with this issue. They were uploaded to listnook video and unattributed. Opening yourselves up to DMCA stuff doesn't seem like a good idea. What are your thoughts and are you guys doing anything to prevent this?

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[deleted] Nov 2, 2017 +8

That's been happening here for years just as gifs and webms etc. If someone makes a Youtube vid and I copy it and upload it to the native video player, people here will get pissed. If I copy that video and mute the sound and upload it to gfycat and link it to /r/gifs it can hit the top spot of the entire site and nobody cares.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +30

Spez, is there any chance that a sublistnook who's moderators are dedicated to pushing a particular agenda and censoring posts they disagree with be 'fixed'? For example, r/India's moderators have a track record of consistently removing any posts and comments that exhibit the current government in a positive light. Considering the amount of social media agencies working for political parties, it is possible that some of the aforementioned mods might be paid to indulge in the above activities. While I understand that we are free to create new subs, I think that the importance of the sublistnook's name is also a key factor in attracting users -- my point is that even if I were to start a sublistnook that would not censor discussions politically, most of the users on the original sub would never hear of it. To summarise, does Listnook have any policy to remove abusive moderators, especially on sublistnooks which attract a large amount of users?

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sadmydogdied Nov 1, 2017 +709

When will the recent rule changes (against glorifying violence etc) mean a ban on /r/incels? You simply can't defend a sub that not only apologizes for rapists but encourages r***. The sub is a stain on this site and everyone who comes here. edit2: hi /r/incels! Looks like you got cucked by chad again!!! edit: people are asking for examples this is some I found within 2 minutes of searching. Just read the sub and it will speak for itself. https://i.redd.it/lwuofv8vm8nz.jpg https://i.redd.it/440k4ywgp9kz.jpg https://i.redd.it/hkioje2pvwfz.jpg https://i.redd.it/z0idl69y52sz.png

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +183

I browse that sub sometimes and I try as hard as I can to understand any of them but I just can't. A girl gets raped? "The b**** deserved it for looking too pretty. Don't help her." A girl is depressed? "Femoids don't get depressed like we do, they use it for attention" An incel nails his f****** d*** onto a wooden board? "I'm so sorry for those bitches making you do this to yourself!" That sub is absolute cancer

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[deleted] Nov 2, 2017 +9

/u/Spez can you please answer this question. The sub is anti-woman, promotes r***, encourages violence and is a defacto hate group *despite* it not being written explicitly. I discovered this sub in late August/early September and I cannot count how the number of posts I've seen glorifying Roger Elliot and EXPLICITLY saying one should punch a "femoid" Although there has been mild improvement in recent days (likely since the sub was warned of the changes) at a minimum, why have the mods who tolerated such a high volume of violence inciting rhetoric not been replaced?

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AccidentalEspresso Nov 1, 2017 +35

I came to the comments of this post specifically to see /u/spez answer this question, and I'm very concerned that it was the first one they have not answered as I scroll down. It's not a case of "I don't like this sub, why isn't it banned?" I am genuinely worried about this group of people and how they have a place to incubate and grow their violent ideologies. They are FOR violence against women, r*** and otherwise, and I think that if they are that determined to have a safe space, they'll just go to a different site after they're banned, and we will not be suffering any losses.

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sprtre Nov 1, 2017 +33

Hey /u/spez, I would like to ask in accordance to your[ healthy community guidelines](https://www.listnook.com/help/healthycommunities/), there are moderators you would personally attack and ban listnookors, who they don't like. There is a /r/India moderator who has been persistently been doing this. I have compiled it here: https://np.listnook.com/r/indiadiscussion/comments/6msrt5/personal_attacks_are_allowed_when_rindia_mods Can you elaborate, if this is unhealthy behaviour or not. Thanks!

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +104

I've been using Listnook for four years now. It is really starting to annoy me how obviously it's being gamed by large corporations. Any platform that attracts nearly 400 million individual users is going to attract their attention as well, and you frequently see posts pushing stealth advertisements ("Here's a picture of my cat! Please do not mind the overly visible Cola-Flavored Beverage(TM) logo in the background") or shills manipulating upvotes in the thousands. I understand it is not trivial to combat this, but I would still like to know if Listnook is doing anything about this at all. It is affecting my trust.

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blazefalcon Nov 1, 2017 +117

Spez, are the prizes from the Conan photoshop battle still at Listnook HQ or are they lost in the wind? Another selected "w*****" and I have been having quite the trouble figuring out what's going on on that front after the original admin who messaged us about our addresses suddenly lost their admin-ship. ~~Edit: apparently there are at least three of us experiencing lack of communication in this- /u/shiruken, /u/domdomburg , and myself.~~ Edit 2: Got a response while writing the previous edit, which is now somewhat unnecessary

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NathanielButtholes Nov 1, 2017 +132

Probably similar to folks bringing up r/the_donald here, but I feel the need to bring attention the r/incels. The mods have a history of banning people who oppose anything being said on there. There's no constructive conversation going on there to deal with the extreme view points shared on there. It its an echo chamber of toxicity. I don't think they should be outright banned, as I'm all for less censorship, but they HAVE to be kept in check... And that should fall on the mods... But doesn't. Idk, what do you think?

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iamonlyoneman Nov 1, 2017 +15

Incels has been given a new set of guidelilnes to operate under, since the new hate/violence policy was put in place. Time will tell if they survive under the new requirements.

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polyworfism Nov 1, 2017 +91

What is being done towards karma farming accounts? I'm sick of seeing the same post from 2 months ago posted over and over in 100 different subs from the same user with over 1 million karma, who pretty much exists solely for that reason

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chiwalfrm Nov 1, 2017 +148

Why does listnook allow the blantant censorship at r/bitcoin ? Censorship stats for September: https://www.listnook.com/r/noncensored_bitcoin/comments/7414nf/september_2017_stats_post/

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BitcoinXio Nov 1, 2017 +66

Here are just a few links to help you /u/spez understand what is happening with the censorship on /r/bitcoin: * https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43 * https://medium.com/@johnblocke/r-bitcoin-censorship-revisited-58d5b1bdcd64 * https://www.listnook.com/r/noncensored_bitcoin/comments/7414nf/september_2017_stats_post/ * https://www.listnook.com/r/KarmaCourt/comments/5gvqf6/and_now_for_something_completely_different_the/ * https://www.listnook.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/6rxw7k/informative_btc_vs_bch_articles/dl8v4lp/ * https://www.listnook.com/r/btc/comments/5vr7ij/partial_list_of_words_that_automod_removes_from/ * https://www.listnook.com/r/btc/comments/73zo30/maybe_we_should_also_report_rbitcoin_for_their/dnug877/ * https://www.listnook.com/r/btc/comments/5cxx8t/the_impacts_of_censorship/ * plus many many more examples (seriously it's endless)

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Sovereign_Curtis Nov 1, 2017 +49

/u/spez please answer. This has been on going for nearly two years now. I was subscribed to /r/Bitcoin when it was just 20,000 subscribers, have volunteered in the Bitcoin space, worked in the Bitcoin space, and even started a business in the Bitcoin space. But just a couple months ago I was banned for pointing out the reality regarding high fees and slow confirmations, all because it made the mods and devs look bad.

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +50

+1 Investors are being badly misled and misinformed on a large scale by the controllers of that sublistnook. Why is Listnook allowing this to happen?

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HandInAssholesSulu Nov 1, 2017 +478

Stolen from /u/TheGreatRoh /r/LateStageCapitalism mods about someone's Cuban parents being put into labor camps: "Your family deserved what they got" https://i.imgur.com/UFMnJ3W.png /r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63] https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg The head mod of /r/MarchAgainstTrump http://i.imgur.com/vC7tUld.png /r/LateStageCapitalism MOD announcement - "No one can reasonably argue that the Republican congressmen shot today didn't deserve it. They absolutely did. They created this situation of unparalleled division. They're trying to destroy society to line their own pockets." https://np.listnook.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/6h85oq/no_one_can_reasonably_argue_that_the_republican/ "Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" https://archive.is/rpv1J /r/Socialism posts infographic on why it's important to murder three Republican senators. https://np.listnook.com/r/socialism/comments/6hdktg/just_saying/ [Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." [+37] http://archive.is/klgQA (to commenter who's mother is a christian trump-voter) "I don't mean this harshly so please don't take it that way. The sooner that people like your mother pass on and stop voting, the better off we'll all be." [+26] https://np.listnook.com/r/MarchAgainstTrump/comments/6gwbgp/start_with_your_dad_ivanka/dits2ct/ DavidReiss666 Moderator of major default sublistnooks like r/LPT, r/BestOf, r/History, advocates the assassination the President. "The only way to fix this is going to be extra-Constitutional [Mussolini's assassination]. Trump deserves similar treatment." http://archive.is/MbMUA "Democrats will sweep the next election. Their communities will die out as we liberal big city people use our superior education and intellect to make robots that take over their crappy jobs, and the working class white culture that voted for racism will be forever gone." https://np.listnook.com/r/news/comments/62hrlm/mike_flynn_willing_to_be_interviewed_in_return/dfmscxw/ "Removing Trump from power is the only choice that leads to a future of your country, so you're gonna move your fat ass and take the fight to the streets, until that slob lies on the dirt, drowning in its own blood." [SH] r/ETS https://www.listnook.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/6fsz4q/trumps_fbi_pick_is_the_same_guy_that_helped_cover/dil8ixf/?st=j3nc326m&sh=1ae6aa39 All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png r/Anarchism recommends bringing explosives to throw at "Free Speech" rally. https://i.redd.it/ujw4e1ubrkry.jpg Leftist in /r/Videos promoting violence against free speech http://i.imgur.com/y2Nap9t.png Listnookor on r/socialism telling users to torture listnook employees and their families. https://imgur.com/5J600cr Commies on /r/Anarchism is advocating for violence.... again. Over 100 upvotes folks. http://imgur.com/6RATFMd /r/Anarchism blatantly advocates for murder... again... http://imgur.com/NZKGqt1 /r/FULLCOMMUNISM advocates of both DPRK and Stalin https://www.listnook.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/6iniqx/important_reminder_dprk_is_an_ally_of_the/ Castro praising https://www.listnook.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5exzpp/rip_castro/ Support beating up Pepe https://www.listnook.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5pb4ij/fresh_new_pepe_for_the_altreich/ Supports punching of Richard Spencer https://www.listnook.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5poi1r/matt_furie_creator_of_pepe_weighs_in_on_the/ Supports mass murder of "Nazis" https://archive.is/77fqx Punch a Nazi and smash a Cop's face! https://www.listnook.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/6jzvbm/individuals_vs_corporations/djieat0/?sh=8164fb38&st=J4H670IW "This is why the nonviolent argument for revolution doesn't work. Politics is violence. Whether that violence is a punch to a nazis face or a brick to a cops head, or a series of corporations forcing an entire sector of people to not have enough resources to live it is still violence." https://np.listnook.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/6jzvbm/individuals_vs_corporations/djia77i/ "I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel." Score hidden https://np.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?sh=78ada641&st=J4DHK2G4 /r/anarchism praising the stabbing of a Trump supporter just for being white https://www.listnook.com/r/Anarchism/comments/6ian9j/oathkeeper_bodyguardtrump_supporter_stabbed_9/ (On Elon Musk taking 2 rich people to the moon) "If we're lucky, there will be a launch failure." https://np.listnook.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/5wkd62/spacex_taking_wasteful_private_jet_for_rich_nerds/deayjg5/ "Wish it was legal to kill Fascists" https://np.listnook.com/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/6hv5ex/as_mods_of_reuropeannationalism_we_want_to/dj1ckxp/ Calling the victims of Communism Slaver Owners https://www.listnook.com/r/communism/comments/6hrzb5/in_1976_a_cuban_counterrevolutionary_terrorist/dj0pgpl/ Advocacy of shooting a Republican Senator https://www.listnook.com/r/Anarchism/comments/6h8q9o/if_youre_going_to_make_a_speculative_post_about/diwgun3/ "shooter is a patriot" https://www.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/ "[on the shooting] you reap what you sow" https://www.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/6h979o/gop_rep_received_threatening_email_with_subject/diwh9gk/ List compiling people defending the shooter: https://www.listnook.com/r/ShitPoliticsSays/comments/6h984t/i_compiled_comments_from_the_rnews_post_about_the/ Advocacy of killing opponents of Net Neutrality https://www.listnook.com/r/KeepOurNetFree/comments/6gs5zo/the_8_members_of_congress_that_support_the_fccs/disuzky/ Wanting Rural and Trump voters to die. https://np.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/6kvdgp/evidence_of_mental_deterioration_trump_wrestling/djp8i5j/ We're getting to the point that it's past the need for protest, but time for violent and extreme actions. The government needs to be reminded that is has a reason to be afraid of us. http://archive.is/KOlhh "All cops deserve death" + Genocide denial https://i.redd.it/z7tldxzjb78z.jpg r/anarchism links to a page of peoples doxx, listnook mods still won't delete the sub https://np.listnook.com/r/Anarchism/comments/6m8omk/how_based_stickman_proud_boys_are_working_with/ Mods on /r/FULLCOMMUNISM celebrate the deaths of 5 cops, tell users to "BASH THE PIGS" https://np.listnook.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/6lvwns/this_day_one_year_ago_5_cops_were_killed_by_micah/ Literal 13k+ post calling for people's deaths. http://archive.is/IY5iy Edit: thanks for the gold stranger!

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[deleted] Nov 1, 2017 +147

Why is the left so violent? * [ Man yells, "Make America Great Again!" Before shooting 6 people dead.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521583/Uber-driver-repeated-Trump-s-Make-America-Great-slogan-shooting-dead-six-people-Kalamazoo.html) * [Man wearing, "Make America Great Again" hat murders 2 strangers for no reason.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3748428/Cannibal-killer-Austin-Harrouff-19-wearing-Make-America-Great-Trump-hat-stormed-murdered-random-couple.html) * [A Trump supporter murders 2 police officers because they told him he couldn't wave a Confederate flag at a high school football game.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3902902/Iowa-cop-killer-Scott-Michael-Greene-proud-Donald-Trump-supporter.html) * [Two men beat a homeless man with a metal bar and urinate on him screaming, “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” When asked for a comment about the incident Trump defends them saying, "My supporters are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/21/trump-says-fans-are-very-passionate-after-hearing-one-of-them-allegedly-assaulted-hispanic-man/?utm_term=.f82959c8c076) * [Trump supporter attacks a Hispanic man and a Muslim student at a gas station while yelling, "Trump! Trump! Trump!"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/14/trump-trump-trump-yells-attacker-as-he-beats-hispanic-man-muslim-student/?utm_term=.baf319b8bc11) * [Trump supporter stabs a black man unprovoked because he was holding hands with a white woman, tells police they need to release him so he can attend a Trump rally that night.](http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/BREAKING-NEWS/Black-Man-Stabbed-In-Olympia-In-What-Police-Say-May-Be-Racially-Motivated-Hate-Crime-2584308) * [Trump supporter attacks Muslim woman at airport.](http://time.com/4651432/trump-muslim-woman-jfk-airport/) * [A Trump supporter punches a 70 year old protester in the face.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/69-year-old-woman-punched-in-the-face-at-trump-rally.html) * [Trump supporter arrested for brutally beating protester.](http://gawker.com/trump-supporter-charged-with-assault-after-beating-prot-1766090832) * [3 Trump supporters arrested planning terrorist attack to kill Muslims.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/militia-terror-plot-fbi-kansas_us_58014995e4b0162c043c1e90) * [Trump supporter confuses an Indian man for a Muslim at restaurant and says, "Things are different now, I don't want you sand n*ggers sitting next to me." Before attacking the man.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/drunken-pittsburgh-man-sucker-punches-oblivious-indian-man-he-mistook-for-sand-nr/) * ["We got a new President you f****** f*ggots." Men yell as they attack gay man.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-president-hate-crime-gay-man-attacked-homophobic-chris-ball-calgary-santa-monica-a7411116.html) * [Trump supporters track down and brutally beat an artist because she made a painting of Trump with a small p****.](http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/trump-artist-punched-face-n***-painting-los-angeles-378062381.html?_osource=nbcnews_twitter) * [Trump supporter who sucker punched protester: “Next time, we might have to kill them.”](http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/15177-trump-supporter-who-punched-protester-next-time-we-might-have-to-kill-him) * [Trump is asked to comment on his supporters brutally beating a black man, he responds with, “He was obnoxious! Maybe he should have been roughed up,” ](https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-my-fans-were-right-to-beat-up-black-protester-32639e4da487) * ["You f****** gorillas and baby monkeys, We voted for Trump. Trump's building a wall, beaners, and you'll be going back to where you belong." Man yells at black elementary school children unprovoked before he swerves his car at them attempting to hit them.](http://patch.com/new-york/bed-stuy/bed-stuy-school-kids-harassed-driver-yelling-f-black-lives-they-dont-matter) * [Trump supporter assaults woman at rally and then says he wouldn't of done it if Trump didn't inspire him to attack her.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-supporter-accused-assaulting-woman-campaign-rally-blames-president-n747151) * [Trump supporter recognizes famous anti-Trump playwright, walks up to him in a restaurant and says, “Sieg Heil! F*** you, you Jew cunts, we’re gonna kill all of you." before attacking him.](http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/01/jon-robin-baitz-trump-inauguration-assault) * [Trump supporters beat black man so badly he’s hospitalized for concussion and call him the n-word.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/24/black-protestor-beaten-at-trump-rally-ready-to-sue-for-hate-crime.html) * [Trump supporter pepper sprays a 15-year-old girl point-blank in the face after another Trump supporter groped her breasts, shouting “n*gger lover” as she attempted to run away.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/30/after-alleged-groping-teen-trump-protester-pepper-sprayed-by-trump-supporter-outside-wisc-rally/) * [Trump supporter walks up to a black man in the middle of a downtown area and says, "Donald Trump will deport you." Before punching the black man.](http://bangordailynews.com/2016/11/21/news/bangor/council-members-denounce-alleged-pro-trump-attack-as-hate-crime/) * [“Trump is going to win and if you don’t like it I’m going to beat your ass,” Trump supporter yells at random black woman outside of convenient store.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/todd-warnken-arrested-threatening-black-woman-trump?utm_content=buffer7f991&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer) * [Man attacks and kicks Muslim airport employee shouting, "Trump is here now, he will get rid of all of you."](http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Muslim-Employee-Hijab-Delta-Sky-Lounge-Kicked-Harassed-Flyer-Shouts-Trump-is-Here-Now-411924555.html) * [In 8 months Trump supporters attacked protesters at 20 different rallies.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html) * [Trump supporter tracks down a local Latino Democratic political candidate and tries to run him and his elderly mother over with a car. (The Latino candidate is also a former marine.)](http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-supporter-allegedly-tries-to-run-over-latino-dem-candidate-whos-also-a-retired-marine/) * ["This is for Donald Trump!" man yells as he runs up a Latino person and punches them in the head.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/this-is-for-donald-trump-white-man-repeatedly-punches-hispanic-worker-in-the-back-of-the-head/) * [Trump supporter goes to Hillary Clinton rally to disrupt the event, ends up punching someone when asked to leave.](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-supporter-arrested-punching-person-clinton-event-article-1.2842182) * [Trump supporter punches, chokes and slaps protesters on video during rally.](http://www.businessinsider.com/man-punched-and-choked-protesters-at-north-carolina-trump-rally-2016-9) * [An angry mob of Trump supporters brutally beat and grab a mans genitals because he held up a, "Republicans Against Trump" sign.](http://globalnews.ca/news/3049756/man-beaten-at-donald-trump-rally-for-holding-republicans-against-trump-sign/) * [A Trump supporter yells, "Get your black kids out of here. Do you even have a job? Do you know what a job is, n*gger?" Before physically attacking a black man who had come to the hospital to get help for his sick 2 week old daughter.](https://thinkprogress.org/black-family-says-white-hospital-volunteer-assaulted-them-used-the-n-word-and-invoked-donald-trump-3b175dde48a5#.teurfz7ja) * [Local Republican Politician sexually assaults a woman by, "grabbing her p****." and then says he is allowed to do it because now that Trump is president he doesn't have to be politically correct.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/christopher-von-keyserling-republican-grab-woman-genitals-groin-p****-greenwich-connecticut-town-a7530856.html) * [Canadian man who was a vocal Trump supporter both online and in person goes into a mosque and murders 6 people.](https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-attack-quickly-depicted-as-a-moroccan-muslim-hes-a-white-nationalist/) * [Trump supporter physically assaults Comedian on stage for making Anti-Trump Joke.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdYHdbWduNs) * [Man yells, "Trump" while beating African immigrant cab driver.](http://fox17online.com/2016/11/17/police-investigating-assault-on-cab-driver-ethnic-intimidation/) * [A Trump supporter is arrested for burning a Mosque down.](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-man-faces-hate-crime-charge-mateen-mosque-arson-article-1.2792764) * [A Trump supporter sees a car has pro-gay bumper stickers on it and then follows the car, waiting for the 75 year old driver to get out before brutally attacking him while screaming, "My new president says we can kill all you f*ggots now."](http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/sarasota-man-says-he-was-attacked-for-being-gay) * [A Trump supporter is arrested after brutally attacking gay men outside a McDonald’s. Witnesses describe the aftermath as, "There was blood everywhere."](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/there-was-blood-everywhere-trump-supporter-arrested-after-attacking-gay-men-at-sydney-mcdonalds/) * [A Muslim refugee gay rights activist is kidnapped and raped by two men in retaliation for, "Trump being mocked."](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/lgbt-activist-kidnapped-raped-man-france-donald-trump-mocked-anger-a7627001.html) * [A Trump supporter is arrested on terrorism charges for building bombs he was going to use to kill Muslims.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/william-celli-arrested_us_56782b8fe4b0b958f6573d35)

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LocutusOfBorges Nov 1, 2017 +31

(Responding with the same thing I posted [the last time TheGreatRoh dropped this shite in /r/modnews](https://www.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dovrm7k/?context=3).) I see you're a regular on /r/The_Donald. What would you say to [that sublistnook's *delightful* record where advocacy of violence to transgender people is concerned](https://np.listnook.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4vz47q/every_day_i_submit_an_example_of_rthe_donalds/)? Here are some of the juiciest parts: > Their mods even tag posts and sticky comments in the threads where /r/the_donald users posted these threats against transgender people giving tacit approval of this behavior from their users. > > ***** > > >[I would've reflexively knocked him out right after that AIDS spit. No time to cry tranny.](http://archive.is/6FwAJ)[+63] > > >[I'd punch a freak in the face](http://i.imgur.com/2lrbKA1.png) > > > >[I would have beaten that 'tranny' as men and women are equal now based on all the equality c***. Plus, I'd say that I was beating the male part of it.](http://i.imgur.com/SuClUNQ.png)[+4] > > >[You can hit "its"](http://archive.is/abw6s)[+17] > > >[The worst part is that the mentally ill one didn't get his nose broken](https://np.listnook.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4rozb1/every_day_i_am_going_to_post_an_instance_where/) > > > >[I would have hit that faggot so fast his p**** would literally transform into a v***** and his wish would come true](https://archive.is/2826h)[+433] > > ***** > > >[I KNOW THIS FUCKERS NAME!](https://np.listnook.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4qsb2l/every_day_i_am_going_to_post_an_instance_where/) [+64] > > >GOD DAMN LISTNOOKS RULES FROM LETTING ME SAY WHO. > > >Luckily you can find out who quite easily by googling where this happened and a certain gender. > > >It would be a shame if 4chan found out and made that person into a meme. A DAMN SHAME > > > >[Would be even worse if someone went to their house and beat the living shit out of them.](https://np.listnook.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4qxrws/every_day_i_am_going_to_post_an_instance_where/) now [[+15]](http://archive.is/zoI1d) I take it, then, that you'll be advocating that /r/The_Donald be, ah, physically removed from this community? I'm curious what the admins think about this stuff. Any comment, /u/landoflobsters? (h/t /u/asdtyyhfh, for putting this together)

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kevin32 Nov 1, 2017 +31

Are you one of the admins who investigate subs that break Listnook rules? I'm a mod of a sub (and new to moderating in general) and recently had an issue with some submissions that could be viewed as harassment. I removed the posts and created a [new rule](https://www.listnook.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/78wpp9/new_rule_no_posts_in_which_a_man_contacts_a_woman/) against submissions in which it appeared that harassment was occurring, and even stickied it. In Listnook's official announcement on [harassment](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/) it is said: "We will ban sublistnooks that allow their communities to use the sublistnook as a platform to harass individuals *when moderators don’t take action*." My question is how true is this statement? If my sub is in violation of a rule, I'd like to be notified and given the opportunity to resolve the issue. Do you provide this opportunity or do you ban on sight? This question was first asked at Modnews [here](https://www.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_sitewide_rules_regarding_violent_content/dp1rb5h/), but I haven't received a response yet.

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