ListNook

Hi Listnook! Listnook is the home to the most amazing content creators on the internet. Together, we create a place for artists, writers, scientists, gif-makers, and countless others to express themselves and to share their work and wisdom. They fill our days with beautiful photos, witty poems, thoughtful AMAs, shitty watercolours, and scary stories. Today, we make it easier for them to connect directly to you. Listnook is testing a new profile experience that allows a handful of users, content creators, and brands to post directly to their profile, rather than to a community. You’ll be able to follow them and engage with them there. We’re excited because having this new ability will give our content contributors a home for their voice on Listnook. This feature will be available to everyone as soon as we iron out the kinks. ##What does it look like? * Check-out u/Shitty_Watercolour’s new profile page: http://www.listnook.com/user/shitty_watercolour where he’s doing an AMA. * Listnook co-founder u/kn0thing is also participating as an alpha user: you gotta eat your own dogfood: http://www.listnook.com/user/kn0thing * Riot Games is participating under u/LeagueOfLegends where they will be engaging their fans with AMAs and patch feedback threads: http://www.listnook.com/user/leagueoflegends * On our mobile apps, you can search for “shitty_watercolour”, “kn0thing”, “leagueoflegends” and you’ll see them as u/shitty_watercolour, u/kn0thing, u/leagueoflegends ([example](https://i.redd.it/nd9dn34ixrmy.png)) ##What is it? * A new profile page experience that allows you to follow other listnookors * Selected listnookors will be able to post directly to their profile * We worked with some moderators to pick a handful of listnookors to test this feature and will slowly roll this out to more users over the next few months ##Who is this for? * We want to build this feature for all users but we’re starting with a small group of alpha testers. ##How does it work? * You will start to see some user profile pages with new designs (e.g. u/Shitty_Watercolour, u/kn0thing, u/LeagueOfLegends). * If you like what they post, you can start to follow them, much as you subscribe to communities. This does not impact our “friends” feature. * You can comment on their profile posts * Once you follow a user, their profile posts will start to show up on your front-page. Posts they make in communities will only show up on your frontpage if you subscribe to that community. ##What’s next? * We’re taking feedback on this experience on r/beta and will be paying close attention to the voices of community members. We want to understand what the impact of this change is to Listnook’s existing communities, which is why we’re partnering with only a handful of users as we slowly roll this out. * We’ll ramp up the number of testers to this program based on feedback from the community (see application sections below) ##How do I participate? * If you want to participate as a beta user please fill out this [survey](https://listnook-survey.typeform.com/to/j8NizT). * If you want to nominate a fellow listnookor, please use this [survey](https://listnook-survey.typeform.com/to/ArhT7l). ##TL;DR: We’re testing a new profile page experience with a few Listnookors (alpha testers). They’ll be able to post to their profile and you’ll be to follow them. Send us bugs or feedback specific to the feature on in r/beta! u/hidehidehidden ------------ ##Q&A: **Q: Why restrict this to just a few users?** A: This is an early release (“alpha”) product and we want to make sure everything is working optimally before rolling it out to more users. We picked most of our initial testers from the gaming space so we can work closely with a core group of mods that can provide direct feedback to us. ---- **Q: Who are the initial testers and how were they selected?** A: We reached out to the moderators of a few communities and the testers were recommended to us based on the quality of their content and engagement. The testers include video makers, e-sports journalists, commentators, and a game developer. --- **Q: When will this roll out to everyone?** A: If all goes well, over the course of the next few months. We want to do this roll-out carefully to avoid any disruptions to existing communities. This is a major product launch for Listnook and we’re looking to the community to give us their input throughout this process. --- **Q: What about pseudo-anonymity?** A: Users can still be pseudonymous when posting to their profile. There’s no obligation for a user to reveal their identity. Some listnookors choose not to be pseudonymous, in the case of some AMA participants, and that’s ok too. --- **Q: How will brands participate in this program?** A: During this alpha stage of the rollout, our testers are users, moderators, longtime listnookors, and organizations that have a strong understanding of Listnook and a history of positive engagement. They are selected based on how well how they engage with listnookors and there is no financial aspect to our initial partnerships. We are only working with companies that understand Listnook and want to engage our users authentic conversations and not use it as another promotional platform. We’re specifically testing this with Riot Games because of how well they participate in r/LeagueOfLegends and demonstrated a deep understanding of how we expect companies to engage on Listnook. Their interactions in the past have been honest, thoughtful, and collaborative. We believe their direct participation will add more great discussions to Listnook and demonstrate a new better way for brands and companies to converse with their fans. --- **Q: What kinds of users will be allowed to create these kinds of profiles? Is this product limited to high-profile individuals and companies?** A: Our goal is to make this feature accessible to everyone in the Listnook community. The ability to post to profile and build a following is intended to enhance the experience of Listnook users everywhere — therefore, we want the community to provide feedback on how the launch is implemented. This product can’t succeed without being useful for listnookors of every type. We will reach out to you for feedback in the r/beta community as we grow and test this new product. --- **Q: Will this change take away conversations and subscribers from existing communities?** A: We believe the value of the Listnook experience comes from two different but related places: engaging in communities and engaging with people. Providing a platform for content creators to more easily post and engage on Listnook should spur more interesting conversations everywhere, not just within their profile. We’re also testing a new feature called “Active in these Communities” on the tester’s profile page to encourage listnookors to discover and engage with more communities. --- **Q: Are you worried about giving individual users too much power on Listnook?** A: This is one reason that we’re being so careful about how we’re testing this feature — we want to make sure no single user becomes so powerful that it overpowers the conversation on Listnook. We will specifically look to the community for feedback in r/beta as the product develops and we onboard more users. --- **Q: The new profile interface looks very similar to the communities interface, what’s the difference between the two?** A: Communities are the interest hubs of Listnook, where passionate listnookors congregate around a subject area or hobby they share a particular interest in. Content posted to a profile page is the voice of a single user. --- **Q: What about the existing “friends” feature?** A: We’re not making any changes to the existing “friends” feature or r/friends. --- **Q: Will Listnook prevent users with a history of harassment from creating one of these profiles?** A: Content policy violations will likely impact a user's ability to create an updated profile page and use the feature. We don’t want this new platform to be used as a vehicle for harassment or hate. --- **Q: I’m really opposed to the idea and I think you should reconsider. What if you’re wrong?** A: We don’t have all of the answers right now and that’s why we’re testing this with a small group of alpha users. As with any test, we’re going to learn a lot along the way. We may find that our initial hypothesis is wrong or you may be pleasantly surprised. We won’t know until we try and put this front of our users. Either way, the alpha product you see today will evolve and change based on feedback. --- **Q: How do I participate in this beta?** A: We’ll be directly reaching out to listnookors we think will be a great fit. We’re also taking direct applications via this [survey](https://listnook-survey.typeform.com/to/j8NizT) or you can nominate a fellow listnookor via this [survey](https://listnook-survey.typeform.com/to/ArhT7l).

191 Comments

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +7689

I do have a few problems. What if we dont want to be followed by people? What if we dont want everyone to know we are active in certain sublistnooks especially NSFW ones? I personally do not like the profile page as it feels weird. Like it is a forum or Facebook profile page. I am fine chatting with other strangers without knowing where they are active in other sublistnooks or the choice of following them. I dont like to keep it personal as I like listnook as a more of a community based site. Also, even if we can make certain things private or make our profile private, there will be sublistnooks that will require you to have a public profile to participate in the sub.

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HideHideHidden Mar 21, 2017 +1528

>What if we dont want to be followed by people? We'll allow you to opt-out >What if we dont want everyone to know we are active in certain sublistnooks especially NSFW ones? We're not surfacing any browsing or voting behavior on these pages. If you post to NSFW communities today, that already surfaces on your existing profile page. > I personally do not like the profile page as it feels weird. Like it is a forum or Facebook profile page. I am fine chatting with other strangers without knowing where they are active in other sublistnooks or the choice of following them. I dont like to keep it personal as I like listnook as a more of a community based site. This is why we're testing this with a small group of users. We have a of iterations ahead of us. > Also, even if we can make certain things private or make our profile private, there will be sublistnooks that will require you to have a public profile to participate in the sub. Great suggestions, taking this into consideration.

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Facu474 Mar 21, 2017 +6606

> We'll allow you to opt-out I think it would be better, for existing users at least, for it to be an opt-IN system.

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Russian_For_Rent Mar 21, 2017 +38

This is 100% what I was thinking. No one's profile should automatically turn into this new follow-based profile. If someone wants their profile to be like this, let them have the freedom to choose, but keep profiles the way they are right now by default.

boredguy8 Mar 21, 2017 +655

This feels like a mechanism for corporate name-grabs. If you have a game-related forum, you probably dodged "[or infringe any person or entity’s intellectual property or any other proprietary rights](https://www.listnook.com/help/useragreement/)" because a sublistnook isn't a claim to identity or ownership. Mark my words: /u/nintendo won't last long if Nintendo has any interest in staking out its own space on 'the frontpage of the internet'. Historically, Nintendo had no real motivation to care b/c you can't really *do* anything with /u/nintendo. Now, you can end-run /r/nintendo with /u/nintendo - and I'm willing to bet all the money listnook isn't yet making that this is the reason why. And if nintendo.com starts pointing to u/nintendo, it absolutely will make a difference. Right now it looks like I can't submit to another user's profile and IDK who moderates a user's profile content, but these aren't objections, they're improvements on a roadmap somewhere. edit: Oh for f***'s sake, I'm 100% right, I'm convinced now (I was at about 80%). After posting I was like "Oh, I wonder who /u/leagueoflegends is? That would certainly be a name to get grabbed." Now, it looks like, according to snoopsnoo, /u/leagueoflegends was made 7 days ago. Possible, but I'm dubious. And what are they doing? It's a "verified" RIOT account posting shit on its personal page, not the /r/leagueoflegends page, about Lee Sin. F*** THAT.

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crielan Mar 22, 2017 +79

That LoL username is very peculiar. It's hard to imagine that wasn't created years ago like you're suggesting. I wonder if they are force taking over the names or offer payment in either cash or swag. This will be an interesting development and I can imagine a lot of people try to name squat on up and coming products. I wonder how Pepsi_Next would feel if Pepsi decided they want that name for a relaunch or to simply point to Pepsi. I can see them banning all usernames in the future that contain a trademarked name. This has to be made for advertising revenue. Which I honestly wouldn't have a problem with it if they were upfront about it and filtered them out of your feed by default. It's a better alternative than banner ads or thinly veiled astroturfing posts. I just hope they can find a happy medium and not completely kill off Listnook. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.

SpeaksDwarren Mar 22, 2017 +63

> I wonder if they are force taking over the names or offer payment in either cash or swag. They set the precedent for them to forcibly take usernames about four years ago by doing so for /u/PresidentObama.

TheDovahofSkyrim Mar 21, 2017 +87

I mostly agree with the user you responded to, but I very much liked your response. Personally I think listnook has found its niche relatively successfully. I know companies are always looking to expand and make more revenue for the most part though. I'm worried this will eventually just become a sort of facebook 2.0 where we have news feeds alerting us to what someone said, posted, or down/upvoted. Not to mention advertising will probably become more invasive/personal with how it targets you. Sounds good for advertisers in the short run, but I feel many people enjoy listnook in large part for the anonymity, which this will begin to chip away from. I'm not saying this is some gloom and doomsday senario, not even close, but it might weaken the brand that listnook has attained. What I feel could hurt listnook though, and already has to a degree, are the mods on many of the subs being absolutely ridiculous in how heavy handed they control their subs. They break their own rules and there is zero accountability. Now, some sublistnooks are extremely niche. Trying to get r/jellyisthebest to believe peanut butter is better might not be ok, but if I could use the obvious example of r/politics it becomes clear there is a problem. Politics is typically always a bit divisive, but there are certain sublistnooks that should at least try to put up an air of neutrality and respect. This has been going on for a long time in many of the more popular sublistnooks and quite frankly I blame the admins for allowing certain sublistnooks to become absolute toxic waste dumps and letting the obvious no good characters/mods mod multiple large subs in such a horrible manner. Listnook is only as good as the communities. For the most part people are great on listnook. Don't let bad mods ruin it.

ademnus Mar 21, 2017 +87

The combination of its Facebook-like qualities and the use of the word "brand" makes me worry it be a hotbed of advertising. I think if we wanted that experience, we'd be on FB instead of here but I can only speak for myself. I welcome the test and will gladly give feedback but it makes me considerably uneasy that the best aspects of listnook will suffer rather than shine.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +166

I think you should make it opt-in. Other than on this account, which is the one where I actually try to interact with people and make friends (and moderate, thus losing all my friends), I wouldn't want any of my other accounts to have profiles since I like to be anonymous, and I feel that's the same with most listnookors.

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aYearOfPrompts Mar 21, 2017 +489

> Listnook is testing a new profile experience that allows a handful of users, content creators, and **brands to post directly to their profile, rather than to a community.** This killed digg. Be really f****** careful.

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atheistpaperboy Mar 21, 2017 +524

Can a user's profile page be quarantined?

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Luna_LoveWell Mar 21, 2017 +1119

I notice that the **comments** of the users in the beta are not visible, only the posts. That is **really** not helpful for those of us that create original content in comments and not with posts.

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HikeTheSky Mar 21, 2017 +733

Can you block stalkers or turn that function off?

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AllTheRowboats93 Mar 21, 2017 +1624

I wonder if this will change the dynamic of the site.

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Surinical Mar 21, 2017 +557

A lot of people already have a sublistnook dedicated to just them, so this already kind of exists.

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +239

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +74

Not to mention similar to Facebook feed. Just garbage being spewed at the top of the page. Posts that are ads will be plenty. Way more than already.

BobHogan Mar 21, 2017 +5943

Why are you trying to turn Listnook into a social media clone? I didn't get an answer yesterday, but I really want to know. Edit - /u/HideHideHidden, /u/spez, /u/kn0thing, I really hope you guys are taking this feedback seriously. Don't just look at the number of upvotes on this announcement and decide its good to go. As it stands right now, its at a 50% approval rating from the community, and its been dropping fast. Last time I checked on this thread (about 3 hours ago) you guys were around 62-65% upvote, and about 5 hours ago it was in the 70s. This started out as a controversial idea, and as this has progressed, the proportion of people who have upvoted this announcement has steadily dropped lower. Not to mention that the top comments in this thread are all about how this will either be bad or how actual Listnook users don't want this. Note that they are the highest comments in this thread. These are the sentiments that your own users agree with the most. And collectively they have already obtained at least 21 gildings (only looking at the top 10 top level replies, not accounting for any gildings that may have happened in those threads), all about how people do not want this to come to Listnook. I'm begging you guys to reconsider this heavily. This is not what your users want. A lot of us are feeling a bit betrayed, and you haven't given us a good reason as to why you went this route. You have several times now cited the difficulty in creating a personal sublistnook to do exactly what you claim these user pages are for, so if that is one of the true focuses here, why did you not simply make that process easier? Listnook users, your users, are not happy about this change, and we do not want it to come to Listnook. We are, rightfully so, scared of the implications that such a change will bring later on.

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ImJustaBagofHammers Mar 22, 2017 +86

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +261

My thoughts as soon as I saw this; part of what I like about Listnook is the partial anonymity and the lack of focus on the individual. I think a lot of us come here to escape the narcissism on "traditional" social media and have interesting discussions that go further than whatever the f*** you identify as or what you had for breakfast. Just kidding, I love you to death /r/food, but I seriously don't like this change.

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Himiko_the_sun_queen Mar 21, 2017 +47

if they make the site like facebook/ twitter/ generic shitty social media then those generic shitty social media users will be more likely to transition over. a larger user base means there are options for "content creators" (which basically means big youtubers and whatnot) to come here instead of somewhere else. make the "content creators" pay up, and there we go, more revenue for listnook. don't worry, listnook isn't the first link aggregator, and not the last. if it gets too shitty, there is enough talent to create what we had before. in fact, the willpower we've seen on this site, for good and bad, shows that really anything can be done if enough people get pissed off. i'm not even talking about voat.

brazilliandanny Mar 21, 2017 +230

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SomeGuyWithAProfile Mar 21, 2017 +338

I think that this is a bad idea. This makes listnook too much like a generic social media site. I also think it is kind of dragging content away from sublistnooks and onto profiles for no reason. You're saying that this is more for users to post their own opinions, but that can be done on a sublistnook, and even if it can't, the user could just make on themselves. What makes listnook different is that it's more about the content than the person. This feature promotes the kind of Facebook-like features that people on listnook hate. Even the design of the page isn't like listnook at all. The whole thing is like a social media page. The huge header image, the profile picture, the blurb thing, posting directly to your page, etc. In fact, the listnook profile pages look [remarkably similar to twitter](http://imgur.com/a/DS5tU). Also, about the pseudo-anonymity thing, it isn't really just about people not knowing who you are irl. On listnook, people generally are going to read something and not know or care who wrote it (for most cases, anyways). Even if your profile on a site doesn't have your real name, people can still know you by the profile. I think this feature is kind of turning listnook into what is basically Facebook without your real name on it, and that's not what listnook is about. Listnook so good because you can make a post on any sublistnook you want, and if it's a quality post, it can get noticed no matter who made it. Listnook is supposed to form communities and discuss things anonymously online. This is separating people into their own little tree-houses that seemingly act like sublistnooks but with only one moderator. This feature is pointless and will only serve to diminish the good things about listnook. Listnook isn't about profiles, it's about sublistnooks, communities, discussions, etc. Having user profiles doesn't work towards any of that. It's more like a self centered type of thing common with other social media sites. Having a sublistnook dedicated to just you or your company means that you will decide what discussion takes place here. One draw of listnook is that companies and people can't control how the discussion takes place. Now, if I, say, had some product that was controversial, I could just moderate my profile page (which I would use as basically a sublistnook) to only allow positive feedback. I guess I'll also comment on the design of the page in general. The header is too big, the posts should be more off to the side, the page takes too long to load, and the whole thing looks more like the mobile site for some reason. I guess if you're trying to make them look more similar that could make sense, but it looks weird in comparison to the rest of the site. User pages were fine before. They were simple, provided little information about the user and more about their posts and other necessary information. I'm pretty concerned this update could mark a shift towards users who use their own personal user-page/user-sublistnook to post shit about them that belongs on Facebook, twitter, etc. The thing that makes listnook special is that it isn't like other social media sites. The focus is placed on the content, discussion, and community *because* of the absence on features found on more tradition social media sites. Sometimes, less is more. Please don't ruin that.

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pinkiedash417 Mar 21, 2017 +3703

I'm sorry, but this reminds me too much of what Yik Yak did last summer. For those who weren't aware, Yik Yak is an app where people can anonymously post small messages that anyone else around the same physical location can see and comment on (also anonymously, though if the original poster comments on their own post the comment is distinguished). Last March, they added Handles (usernames that would optionally show next to your post). In July they added profiles (which would show a karma number as well as a picture). And lastly in August, they took away the option to not have your handle be displayed on a post or comment, claiming they were shifting their focus from anonymity to discovery of people in their local community. Predictably, the app turned into a ghost town within days. By time they rolled back the changes a few months later, it was too late to bring everyone back. While this change to Listnook doesn't have the obvious issues that changing an anonymous platform to a pseudonymous one does, it does share one major thing in common with Yik Yak's changes, and that's that it represents a shift in the site's focus from discovering communities to discovering users. Listnook was originally made to be, and has traditionally been, a news/link aggregator as well as a discussion forum collection -- both of which are services with a very "light" focus on discovery of other users, if any at all. People come to Listnook to discover content and entire communities (not to be confused with the people in said communities) centered around their favorite topics. To switch to a profile-based system, or even hint at doing so, is to desire to compete with Facebook and Twitter when your service is really nothing like either to begin with. Facebook works because people who know each other already use the service -- when a typical Facebook user "discovers" another user on Facebook, they usually discover that the person (who they already know) has an account, not that they exist. On Twitter it's the same, though there seems to be a bigger focus on content from brands (and in that way, there may be some "discovery of users"... but usually those are brands and artists rather than typical users). I can really only see this going three ways, and they are 1. (the most likely and best for Listnook as a whole) Listnook continues as usual, except power users and writers also have profiles to boost their own content on, 2. Listnook becomes overrun by brands in a Twitter-esque fashion (or similarly to if Facebook only had Pages), or 3. (possibly as a logical conclusion after #2) Listnook users form a mass exodus find and/or create another site to be the de facto link aggregation service. All of these are missing any concept of ordinary users going out of their way to make profiles or discover other ordinary users they don't already know somewhere else. That concept -- of "user discovery" -- has been tried over and over again, and has mostly flopped outside of meetup-based communities, which are inherently limited by locality and by interest profile (and Facebook Groups pretty much has a monopoly on this right now). Overall, I think this is a change that should be approached with caution, if it's even fully implemented at all.

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EconMan Mar 21, 2017 +903

> Listnook was originally made to be, and has traditionally been, a news/link aggregator as well as a discussion forum collection Your post is great, and this really stoody out to me. For all this talk of "content creators", does Listnook realize what their original purpose was? It wasn't "content creation" (a Bay area buzzword everyone loves), it was content aggregation. They're chasing after celebrities, power-users, youtubers, instead of focusing on the community. It says a *lot* of what their priorities are. Hell, count the number of times they say "content creators" in this page alone.

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humblerodent Mar 21, 2017 +516

You guys are addressing the main issue here. Listnook is the self proclaimed "Front Page of the Internet". It aggregates content from the many existing platforms for content. Many days it is the only website I visit. I come for the centralized content, curated to my interests, and the discussion around that content. This proposed change doesn't provide any benefit for ordinary users. I'd even argue it doesn't provide any benefit for power users and content creators. Listnook needs to make up it's mind. Does it want to be the absolute best content aggregation site, or does it want to be a minor player in the content creation space?

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EconMan Mar 21, 2017 +247

> Does it want to be the absolute best content aggregation site, or does it want to be a minor player in the content creation space? Frankly, I think they are fooling themselves and absolutely transitioning to the latter. And maybe there are good business reasons for that. But I do wonder how much of it is just due to the "sexyness" of "content-creators" right now. Listnook CEO/Board members look at Twitter/Youtube/Snapchat etc. They see them at conferences with social media stars. They see the attention. Frankly, content aggregation is boring in comparison. It's the rice and beans of the tech world. So it's easy to see why they want their own slice of that pie. It's just a horrible idea.

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +83

"Rice and beans" is the perfect metaphor, because no matter how s*** any other food gets plain old shit like rice and beans are what really fuel 90% of the world. Boring and unimportant do not go together; it's actually much more often the *opposite*, where the most boring tasks or jobs are the vast majority of the critical functions in society. Don't get swept up in s*** trends, Listnook. The basic function in place here is a lot more difficult and valuable than generalized "content creation".

Nothing_Impresses_Me Mar 21, 2017 +142

I agree. Keep the site as content aggregation - creators still have deviant art, flickr, tumblr, blog sites galore to actually put their creations and link to. What I wouldn't be against is on your profile page, have the ability to link to your creation sites, front and center, for those that care. Listnook doesn't need to be another tumblr or facebook.

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Shmeves Mar 21, 2017 +13

My counter point, if it can even be called that, is I get the impression that Listnook is trying to make money, and they currently aren't making enough. Investors want something that will make them money, even if it's in the short term. They might be getting forced to change the dynamic of the site because the people with the cash are forcing it. And I totally understand (not agree, understand) if that's the case.

Alzanth Mar 22, 2017 +12

That was my first thought too when I read this announcement. Problem is, it could backfire and not end up making them much more money in the end. The majority of the 5000+ comments here state they don't want Listnook to turn into the next Facebook/Twitter clone, if you roughly extrapolate that to the entire Listnook userbase a lot of people will end up leaving the site and probably find another more traditional listnook-like platform. In the end, it could cause a reduction in growth of the site rather than promoting it, if indeed this change is heading in that direction. I'm no business expert or anything, but it seems to follow basic common sense to me. I barely touch Facebook anymore, and spend my browsing time mostly on Listnook, simply because I got sick of that user-focused dynamic and much prefer the dynamic of Listnook, focused on the content itself - and the anonymous, community-based discussions that result in the comments - rather than the content's creators and users. If it does turn into every other generic social media platform in existence (I mean, just look at the new profile pages - they have a cover photo and profile pic in a carbon-copy layout of Facebook and Twitter, just mirrored) I'll definitely leave, because that's simply not my thing, or for many others here by the sounds of it - which would be why we're here browsing Listnook rather than on Facebook/Twitter/Tumblr/whatever right now. Kudos to them for testing the waters first though, instead of slapping it across the whole site with no input from the community (another thing I hate about Facebook). At least they can ditch the idea without too much consequence if it looks like it'll piss everyone off.

dirtyflower Mar 21, 2017 +37

Yeah I don't understand needing to give more support to content creators....Listnook is the support no? Listnook is the platform vs all other websites. Maybe a better option would be for sublistnook advertising? Maybe newer users or non-account holders don't know about the semi-popular sublistnooks that they might be interested in. They don't know to search for them or can't be bothered, but if it was right there to click they'd click.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +51

Better sublistnook discovery options is one of those things that's always coming "soon" while they are building things like user profiles that nobody asked for.

pinkiedash417 Mar 21, 2017 +15

Honestly I'd say /r/popular is a valiant effort for sublistnook discovery, albeit a clumsy one. It's just a little heavy-handed with what's autofiltered, to the extent that the only game or fandom subs on it are for things that are new or that people haven't heard of enough to filter out. A better sublistnook discovery option IMO would be to have a page (not the front page, since this would cause all sorts of problems with smaller communities that don't want to be on the front page, but instead something you have to explicitly go to) that's basically /r/all, but with posts that are abnormally popular *compared to others posted in their sublistnook in the past few weeks/months*, in subs with 1000 or more subscribers (or some other arbitrary figure that's low enough to be a real sublistnook discovery option but high enough where single-digit-vote posts won't rise to the top). There could be a toggle switch to turn off NSFW subs, as well as a filtering option to remove certain subs of choice. This particular sorting method would naturally work to keep one sub (*cough /r/the_donald cough*) from dominating the rankings (unless there is a sudden out-of-place flurry of activity on that one sub, which would likely be for a reason, justifying more posts from it being on the page), without the need for any explicit limiting logic. In addition, and as the primary reason for this, every sublistnook would receive equal representation on average. And the posts that you see from each sub would be those that its community deems the "best", allowing you to decide if subscribing is right for you.

probablyuntrue Mar 21, 2017 +115

Yup, I didn't come here to follow users but follow communities. Listnook is a great centralized place to talk about my favorites games or w/e Now it's just Twitter but weirder

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +151

It really does just seem like an addition of something totally unneeded and not even asked for. I have not once seen a comment or post asking for "profile page" options for users. The only thing this opens up is the possibility of power users secluding content to their profile pages instead of communities and then down the line adding in advertising/paid subscriptions (basically youtube/twitch). Not to mention that upvotes and downvotes would not really be relevant on someones profile if they are just posting OC because they would not need upvotes to rise to the top of the page.

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V2Blast Mar 21, 2017 +49

> I have not once seen a comment or post asking for "profile page" options for users. To be fair, some people have asked for it in /r/ideasfortheadmins, but it's always received with near-universal dislike.

essjay2009 Mar 21, 2017 +31

More so than Yik Yak, this is almost literally the change that digg made in version 4 that killed the site. The crux of the issue is that one of the reasons lots of users like Listnook is that it feels organic. Its organic nature means that it's difficult to control (or rather, more difficult to control than other platforms) and predict. It's clearly grown and evolved beyond what the current leadership wants it to be, so they're trying to reshape it. They're trying to create little walled gardens for brands to manage the messaging. They're trying to make it so that we follow users instead of topics. These are things that we (or at least I) come to Listnook to avoid. The change appears to be less heavy handedly applied that the digg version 4 rollout but if a significant proportion of interesting content, especially AMAs, move to user pages then it becomes the de facto standard anyway, so they may as well enforce it. This is like when your favourite pub, which you like because of the company, c**** beer and pool table decides it wants to be a gastro pub serving overpriced pies and shitty beer from a micro brewery in the landlord's basement.

Not_Nice_Niece Mar 21, 2017 +69

>To switch to a profile-based system, or even hint at doing so, is to desire to compete with Facebook and Twitter So much this. When I read the announcement I knew this bother me but didn't have the words to express why. If I wanted to be on facebook or Twitter I'd do that. I come to Listnook because I hate those sites. I come here for communities and no offense could care less about the users.

zombychicken Mar 21, 2017 +92

I was just about to make this point. Yik Yak used to be one of my favorite apps in its prime. Then it suddenly turned to shit, and the company seems to be clueless why. They even came to my university and interviewed me and other students about what they could do to improve Yik Yak. Every single person said to change it back to its original form. The devs still have yet to take everyone's advice, and what do you know, Yik Yak is still dead.

probablyuntrue Mar 21, 2017 +111

God I hope they reverse this, Yik Yak died the instant they rolled out profiles on my campus. Now campus discussion is split between a facebook group, a groupme, and several other random apps With this move I now have to follow communities AND users if I want to get the same feed of info

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Steamships Mar 22, 2017 +19

Ditto for my campus. Our school spirit is practically negative, and Yik Yak was one of the few ways in which we could discuss our shared experiences. I didn't use it much, but fairly often I'd hear people ask "did you see that post on Yik Yak?" It was nice because there were no labels. You didn't write someone's opinion off because they were a football player, grad student, Republican, etc. You could be talking to anyone. Then they took away anonymity and the ability to post to your "home" separately from "nearby" *over the summer when most people weren't on campus*. It died the following semester and now barely anyone uses it.

WumFan64 Mar 21, 2017 +29

>All of these are missing any concept of ordinary users going out of their way to make profiles or discover other ordinary users they don't already know somewhere else. This is the most savage and succinct point imo. All this really does is open up the floodgates for advertisers, celebs, and ecelebs to use listnook to promote their brands. I don't go to websites because I want to be advertised to.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +40

/u/hidehidehidden please address this, this comment accurately sums up my understanding of Listnook, and the commenters seem to agree. So what's your take on it this?

DSShinkirou Mar 21, 2017 +1001

I'll raise my voice as yet another person who vehemently opposes this feature. It is my opinion that this initiative muddles the very value proposition that differentiates Listnook from many other profile/persona centric companies, such as Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter, and Snapchat. Listnook is incredibly unique in the fact that it values the community/sublistnook by asking its members to be upstanding community members, and even more incredibly by having a **time honored** tradition of forcing *everyone* to obey the same rules as the average user, so even great people like Bill Gates and Barack Obama can't just force their way to the top of Listnook. Rewarding users to submit content on their own profile subverts much of what the Listnook community stands for: just visiting the [Reddiquette](https://www.listnook.com/wiki/reddiquette) rules alone makes it clear how many site wide rules are subverted by allowing users to advertise their own profiles for karma. And regarding user discoverability; what makes the current user discovery experience on Listnook today compelling, is that you discover users based on **common communities and topics of your choosing**. Enabling users to escape the community paradigm means that the most popular users and power users are going to engage in a race to the bottom to gain attention; you can see this evidence by the fact that so many content creators on Snapchat, Youtube, Instagram, and others often love posting interpersonal drama with other same-platform personalities, or will stop producing content that they're known for to take a second to jump on whatever new popular bandwagon is happening at the time for more clicks and views. **This is all signal-to-noise degradation.** I sincerely hope that Listnook does not lose itself to being lumped into the same mindspace as other profile-based social platforms, because I question Listnook's standings if it chooses to label itself as a competitor in such an already saturated field. This very feature threatens to do that. Please reconsider something that clearly goes against Listnook's mission "[sic] to help people discover places where they can be their true selves, and empower our community to flourish." [https://about.listnook.com/](https://about.listnook.com/) Your own site boldly states "The conversation starts on Listnook". The *conversation*, not the concert, or the lecture, or the speech, or interview, starts on Listnook. I ask that you choose to keep it that way.

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pastFuture1 Mar 22, 2017 +59

I second this. Please please do not turn Listnook into another online projection of ego. Listnook is so beautiful because it is a community. Every voice is equal and contributes to exploring a common topic. By having users submit content under their own profile it takes away that equality. The dynamic changes. I quit Facebook because I was tired of individuals selling their products or "selling" their image of what they want their identity to look like. Listnook is refreshing because it is not that. I shudder to think that that may change.

Arseonthewicket Mar 21, 2017 +1291

Yeh I really don't like this. That was my initial impression and I came in here to read more because often I come around to the admin's ideas (like the affiliate linking one). But no I still think this is a bad idea. I think if anything this will discourage content creation by crowding out the average listnookor in favour of power users. Users with recognition already get large boosts to their posts by being known in their sublistnook communities, and this goes on to give them an initial momentum site wide. I already think this pendulum has swung too far in this direction and away from individual's submissions. I think this will effectively strangle competition by raising barriers to entry via a form of intellectual property (branding). I think this has lead to problems on youtube and will cause even more problems for listnook, which by it's nature has a much broader scope. Furthermore I see this as a step away from anonymity. Many of the currently most influential users have less anonymity than regular users, and many are known by their real names and faces. This is something paralleled by youtube where as youtube became more commercialised and promoted high view channels at the expense of more niche channels, and as old media organisations opened large channels on youtube, people became more and more linked to their real world identities. Even those that had aimed to keep a hard seperation between their private lives and their channel. When I first came to listnook I used my real name, influenced by the rise of facebook and twitter I had thought that the time of not giving out your name on the internet was gone. But like most listnookors I have come to realise that there is a big benefit and a relief from being able to interact anonymously with others online. Especially in an age of massive data surveillance, mining, and retention I think it is important to have somewhere online to come and discuss issues freely, without having to worry about mispeaking or later changing your mind. I have moved almost all of my online political debate and discussion, which I think is an important part of any democratic society especially for young people, from facebook to listnook for this reason. The best way to get the correct answer is to post the wrong answer on the internet. Or in Silicon Valley parlence "fail quickly". I don't want to feel like I can't be wrong or can't fail online.

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EmmaWoodhouz Mar 21, 2017 +17

I find it so depressing. I found listnook recently after quitting Facebook. I always hated Facebook even though I used it a lot. Listnook is the first 'social media' I loved precisely because it lacks all the Facebook elements: self promotion, personal branding etc. I find all that stuff the most depressing part of the internet! Listnook really felt special and cool because of its focus on anonymity, community, and content!

DavesWorldInfo Mar 21, 2017 +12163

This is going to pull people, both the individual posters (whether they're a company or a Youtuber or a random person who makes a thing that catches on) and the sublistnook general users, into the profile posts. And out of the sublistnooks. Why would a game company, a creator, a whoever who has a thing that's gaining traction, want to post in a mere sublistnook when they can focus all their posts on their profile page? Where they have mod control by default? Where they can tune and shape what they're doing. What happens to various game sublistnooks when the developers, from small wanna-be indies all the way up to triple A devs and dev employees, stop posting in the subs and post only to their own profile? What happens to new and upcoming creators, like binging with babbish or sovietwomble when they stop posting in threads about their vids and only post on their profiles? Or when they only venture away from their profiles to link back to it? Why would I talk about starcraft in /r/starcraft when I can talk about it on /u/blizzard and know they might be watching. Because it's their channel? That destroys /r/rts, /r/gaming, and so on. The examples continue in the same fashion. This changes Listnook, fundamentally. It turns it into a clone of something it's not. It removes what makes Listnook interesting and engaging; the collective gestalt of all the users rising and falling based on how they want things to go. One of the default 'rules' of Listnook is "participate, don't promote." How does profile centric posting help that? And I say all this as a content creator. If you guys push this change through, I'll use it for whatever it's worth. While it lasts. But me and a lot of other people will be looking for the next thing. Making this change go live and wide sets a ticking clock on Listnook's destruction. The community is what makes Listnook work. Not power users, and certainly not companies showing up to big foot and massage and control their messages they way they do everywhere else in life.

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +143

I could not agree more. There's zero part of me that wants to "follow" anyone on listnook, there are far better platforms for it that were built specifically to provide that. It's just one quick hop from there to "oh hey by the way the home page is now your 'feed'" and we're a f****** tumblr clone. EDIT: Y'know what listnook, if you really want to try this so badly, spin it off into its own thing completely separate from listnook.com and see how it works out there first. This is a fundamental change in the way listnook works, whether you'll admit it or not, and *really* should not be done inside actual listnook.com because it'll be hard to un-ring that bell.

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Izlandi Mar 21, 2017 +39

> I hold no loyalty to Listnook To add to this: listnook has no loyalty towards its users, communities or mods. Us mods have been asking for more tools for ages, and all we get is this useless shit (which also, will remove the need for community-mods in the long run; they'll all be 'social media experts' of their respective companies). It's somewhat insane the response times they have for mod queries (and I say this as a default mod), and generally ignoring any form of spam-ring reports. They claim to care, but honestly, they don't give a shit. Spammers/bot-accounts can get reported several times a day for a month, using the proper channels the admins have asked us to use, before they even acknowledge it.

lynn Mar 22, 2017 +15

I've paid for Listnook gold for years, not because it offers features I want but because I want to support the site. If the site is no longer what I come here for, I'll leave and cancel gold. I'm not saying this to imply that my little contribution makes a difference, but that I'm loyal to Listnook as long as it provides what I'm looking for. And what I'm looking for is communities based on content, not users.

aYearOfPrompts Mar 21, 2017 +295

I too came with the Digg Migration. Feels exactly f****** same, right down the the assurances by the admins it won't be as bad as feared. Digg was exactly what we feared, and it died *fast*. The same will happen to listnook.

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Gen_McMuster Mar 21, 2017 +130

the thing about listnook is it's granular in nature. A given community can go to shit and the other's are unaffected. And new communities can rise out of the ashes of those dumpster fires. Several of the big "site ending" events of the past few years haven't destroyed this site because of this bulkheaded segmentation. If this profile system compromises that we might be in trouble, but we'll have to see

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DavesWorldInfo Mar 21, 2017 +754

Yes, exactly. AMAs vanish with this change. They become press conferences with vetted questions. Which is exactly what companies want, because they want control; and is exactly what the user gestalt *loathes*. And it wouldn't even be "why won't he answer that question." It's "wait, where did the questions they're not answering go." The sublistnooks turn into screenshot collections of "did you see the latest shit they're covering up and ignoring?"

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Kalinka1 Mar 21, 2017 +44

The users on Listnook are particularly fickle IMO. I know Listnook wants to squeeze us for all of the advertising and positive brand mentions possible. But I really don't think users will continue to engage if Listnook changes the rules to be "brand friendly". As a user said above, I don't give a shit about Dewalt, I care about woodworking. If Dewalt happens to make a great product that gets touted by users of /r/woodworking, wonderful. That's organic word-of-mouth advertising driven by users, not brands. Is /r/slowcooking going to become /u/Crock-Pot with weekly special posts by Betty Crocker or whatever? I'm not going to interact with sponsored content on Listnook period.

Nanaki__ Mar 21, 2017 +19

> I'm not going to interact with sponsored content on Listnook period. I bet you do already, there is that video doing the rounds of people getting in contact with brand management firms who will used aged accounts to fight in your companies corner, downplay issues. you can also pay for important early upvotes/downvotes to steer the conversation or make sure your post has a chance to reach the front page. Then there is the 'made for viral' pics gifs videos etc where you have a brand as pride of place in the frame, the bottle/cup/whatever is always turned to face the camera and the logo well framed in the overall image.

falconbox Mar 21, 2017 +316

> AMAs vanish with this change. Good point. Why even have /r/IAMA when the person doing the AMA can just direct people to their user page? Of course this change won't be instant, and /r/IAMA still has tons of subscribers, but eventually people WILL just forgo sublistnooks for the user pages.

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falconbox Mar 21, 2017 +149

Not to mention, they can then delete any criticism toward themselves. I know some creators/developers/etc are mods on the respective sublistnooks, like /r/RocketLeague, but many are not, and chime in when it's necessary. The sublistnooks are a great place for communities to discuss the positive and negatives, and if this pulls people away from sublistnooks, it destroys what Listnook was built upon.

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PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE Mar 21, 2017 +112

Its basically inviting more division, more bubbles, more censorship, more moderation. Knew this was close when /r/all started getting filtered. /r/all isn't the front page, if you want to tune things out then subscribe/unsubscribe, /r/all should be just that, indicative of the whole of listnook users. This is dishonest. Great thorough opinion on this.

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sinebiryan Mar 21, 2017 +54

> One of the default 'rules' of Listnook is "participate, don't promote." How does profile centric posting help that? Holy shit you're right! This is the worst feature ever happened to listnook! Stop turning into a social media! Hell, you were the social media to begin with! You were a community not a myspace or facebook or twitter! Stop personalizing!

BrahmsLullaby Mar 21, 2017 +1609

I'm not opposed and don't think it's "wrong", but from an initial impression I see some features and concepts that take away the uniqueness of Listnook and make it blend with a lot of other social media platforms. I could just be overprotective of my nostalgia from Listnooking for a while now (this account doesn't reflect how long I have been) - but this seems to put an emphasis on names, people, brands - where my enjoyment has come from a focus on content. I didn't have a chance to type out all my thoughts, and I'm just as interested to see how this plays out, just food for thought.

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liekwaht Mar 21, 2017 +153

Seriously. This platform is for discussion. User profiles were for following activities of that user. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Facebook or Instagram. Hope it works out, though!

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akaBrotherNature Mar 21, 2017 +14

> I just hope it doesn't turn into a Facebook or Instagram This is my concern as well. The main reason that I use listnook (and not Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram) is that the interaction is almost entirely based around discussions, ideas, and communities (the sublistnooks). Making listnook too user-centric would make it too similar to Facebook for my taste. I prefer the content to be centered around the sublistnooks, where content rises and falls (mostly) organically based on it own merits.

Pheliciana Mar 21, 2017 +192

I absolutely agree with this. Listnook has always been unique. This update would sadly result in me going looking for an alternative to Listnook because I am simply not liking the way things are going.

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omni_wisdumb Mar 21, 2017 +27

Exactly. I'm not going to follow and visit hundreds of profiles just so see content I could see by simply looking at the front page or first page of a sub. These people aren't my friends, I don't want to visit their profiles, I just want to see content posted and voted on as a community.

Mickeymousetitdirt Mar 22, 2017 +578

F*** this idea 100%. When I say this, I'm not exaggerating: I literally almost entirely stopped using every other "social" platform and, instead, started using Listnook. I absolutely love that there isn't this stupid, petty, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, this desperate need of self-promotion and narcissism. What is the point of sublistnooks if content can be posted right to users pages?!? WHO IS ASKING for Listnook to be another Facebook-type place, which is exactly what this implementation feels like? Like, honestly - who even asked for this? I haven't heard of anyone asking for this. I come to Listnook to get AWAY from traditional social media sites and to JUST see content, straight up content, and interact with people. I don't come here to "follow" people and I've never once had the desire to follow any particular person to keep tabs on their posts. I have become familiar with which users whose content I like post where. There is no need for this shitty "update". Stop trying to make Listnook another crappy social media site; there are already a million. Believe it or not, there are a vast amount of people here who come here because of the things Listnook is NOT like; people come here because it's simple, it's unique, and it ISN'T another god damned Facebook. I pray this stupid shit doesn't actually kick in. Let it be known that I know no one has to share my opinion. And, I may be overreacting. But, I a world full of narcissism and disgusting and INCESSANT self-promotion, it is so f****** nice to get away from it when it comes to being on the internet. I'm not always on Listnook but, when I am, I would like it to be enjoyable. Don't implement this shit. Don't.

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crystalmerchant Mar 22, 2017 +30

I've read a ton of these comments and of them all, this is the one that most caught my attention and swung me to the "don't do this" camp: > I literally almost entirely stopped using every other "social" platform and, instead, started using Listnook. Too true. Just last week I realized, you know what -- I use Listnook probably 10x as much as the next highest app. And I realized the reason -- because I *love* that I can follow the sublistnooks I want, with other people also interested in them, and everyone contributes with none of the garbage Facebook-y "users" approach. It's community first, users second. This change is the opposite. Boo.

QueenCuttlefish Mar 22, 2017 +8

I sincerely hope that the admins do not implement this update. The whole profile thing is exactly why I deleted my facebook and other platforms and decided to create a Listnook. Listnook is refreshing in that its emphasis is community. I don't have the need to know every post a particular user makes either. Not every post a particular user makes is relevant to me so the idea of following someone sounds like low-key stalking, honestly. This is why I enjoy Listnook; because it is based on contributing and participating rather than obnoxiously calling attention to yourself. I don't think you're overreacting at all. Incessant self-promotion is not my cup of tea. I don't like my tea bitter and tasting like shit. The feeling is mutual, not only with me but a pretty damn significant chunk of users.

ahBaiz6ReeL9Eucu Mar 21, 2017 +875

Why? -------------------------- Seriously, why? This is a great example of [feature creep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep). Please be wary of the unintended consequences. There's a tendency for optional features to become de facto required features over time. Case in point: Listnook was created with only username and passwords. Then recovery emails were added as an option. But some users hold others to a standard of having a verified email address. This comes up in comment sections from time to time (user for one month, no verified email, you must be an astroturfing shill). Soon not having a profile (and I do mean that as a profile in the Facebook sense of the word) will be a strike against a user in some sublistnooks. Perhaps AutoModerator will delete their comments. Listnook has also seen a *huge* drop in quality over the past month or so since the frontage algorithm changed. Half of the frontpage is memes. And really terrible memes like "brain memes" and prequel memes which are copy-pastes of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis. Plus there's all the softcore p*** like /r/gentlemanboners. Yes, you can make an account and git rid of all that garbage, but a good portion of the site's visitors do not log in. Emojis are starting to show up in submission titles. So now we have a dumbed-down front page and Facebook profiles. What's next? Log in with Facebook credentials?

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PhtevenHawking Mar 21, 2017 +46

I'm glad I'm not the only one whose noticed staggering decline in front page quality lately. It's all 9gag style shit in /r/popular, as you say, memes and softcover. Profiles are going to tip this place over the edge.

[deleted] Mar 22, 2017 +11

> Listnook has also seen a huge drop in quality over the past ~~month~~ two years ......specifically, since the admins started implementing changes like this one more often. This seems like it's all about creating a way to monetize listnook by allowing "brands" to have more control over the image of them that gets portrayed here rather than giving users anything they want. If listnook really wanted to make positive changes, they would start rolling back changes they've already made, all the way back to specifically showing upvote *and* downvote counts on comments. It doesn't seem like any of these changes ever lead to a better experience.

JManSenior918 Mar 21, 2017 +549

What's the value/advantage of this as opposed to the preexisting format of content creators posting their work in relevant sublistnooks? I thought the whole point of Listnook was to have communities where people who have similar interests can share their work/thoughts/whatever?

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biznatch11 Mar 21, 2017 +125

The advantage to your average listnook user seems to be about zero. The advantage to advertisers seems pretty big. When a company says, "follow us on Twitter and check us out on Facebook", I think Listnook is hoping that in the future they'll add "and subscribe to our Listnook profile page".

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FoggyTitans Mar 21, 2017 +398

PLEASE, don't do this. The moment things can be posted to user pages, companies will move in and try to amass huge followings on their user pages. We'll have businesses begging people to follow their pages. The sublistnooks will atrophy. The frontpage or its new equivalent will be rampant company promotions. "Love LL Bean? Be sure to follow our user page!" "Want more Star Wars updates, be sure to follow Disney!" Listnook as we know it would cease to exist. The soul, i.e. the communities, i.e. content upvoted based on true interest and not brand-power, would be gone. Not to mention you'd be appealing to everyone's own narcissistic streak. Everyone would try to build their own personal brand, telling all of their friends to follow their listnook page, begging for more followers on posts, etc. The concept of having a relatively anonymous user page would fade away. The worst part is implementing this idea in any fashion is opening pandora's box. There would be no stopping it, even if you offer an "opt-out" option, even if you offer an "opt-in" option! It would not take much to start a feedback cycle that fundamentally changes listnook. If you think people will just put up with this, you're mistaken, they'll leave.

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[deleted] Mar 22, 2017 +12

> companies will move in and try to amass huge followings on their user pages. We'll have businesses begging people to follow their pages. The sublistnooks will atrophy. The frontpage or its new equivalent will be rampant company promotions. "Love LL Bean? Be sure to follow our user page!" "Want more Star Wars updates, be sure to follow Disney!" Listnook as we know it would cease to exist. that is *exactly* the point. The rest of this is the admins trying to blow smoke up your ass of why this is a "good" thing. Everything the admins have done over the past couple of years is with the aim of becoming profitable, and all of the changes so far have made the actual experience of using listnook for the everyday user worse.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +446

honestly one of the reasons I like listnook so much is *because* it's so slow to change. I like that down to the visual qualities, Listnook is still pretty similar to when I signed on 5 years ago. I still disable listnook mobile on my phone when I browse on mobile. Is that the digital-age old 'users are resistant to change' philosophy? sure, but there's a concrete reason why I use this site in the first place and I can't be the only one here who doesn't like the terms for engagement swapped out once I get comfortable. This is one of the few places online I feel somewhat anonymous even if my profile is easily doxable- because the format isn't framed around 'individuals' but rather 'what' people post. I rarely feel a need to look at someone's profile, and why would I? I don't come to listnook for the users, but for the grand collage of what the users provide. Third: 'content creators', like advertisers? Yeah we have some celebrities- people who spend all day posting, but isn't half of listnook reposted content anyway? How many 'content-creators' either don't have their own sublistnooks or profiles on other websites? Is this to counteract Listnook itself being farmed for clickbait? Will we be able to keep the 'old' profile, should we prefer it? I suppose we'll see.

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67chevroletimpala Mar 21, 2017 +139

I am a Listnookor because i enjoy content, the collective aggregation by the whole community. The focus isn't the creators, the power to get customized aggregated content based on the points of interest of the user is the USP. I'm going to **leave** Listnook as soon as you guys roll out this "*new* *feature*" I am currently **not** on Facebook, Instagram and Quora precisely because they follow this structure of social media. I barely tolerate Twitter as atleast there is anonymity there. This profile based content is useless tbh. I do not want to subscribe to everything a person is doing. Lets say Listnookor X is a good at photoshop skills which i enjoy on the photoshop sublistnook, but X also creates content for another sublistnook for example bodybuilding or skincare, none of which I'm interested in. That's why i don't subscribe to those subs, but due to this profile following, I'm going to have to wade through everything that X posts on his/her profile while i don't get the content from other lesser known photoshop enthusiasts because the sublistnook would be dead. Do you see the problem? Please do not do this. Let me enjoy Listnook. Let it remain the goddamn FRONT PAGE OF THE INTERNET

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fringly Mar 21, 2017 +784

Looking at the current example profiles, this seems like it's going to lead to brigading? So say Kn0thing has 10k followers on his profile - he posts to aww and all his followers then see he has posted, go to aww and upvote him. How is this going to be addressed, as it seems like it's going to lead to popular users having a massive advantage on communities where they post? They get two bites of the cherry for their content to be noticed - nothing they put out will ever be overlooked. It creates a two tier level of users it seems. ***** EDIT - so kn0thing actually DID have a post on /r/aww from 1 month ago, which was sitting at +39 when I looked an hour ago. Now it is over 100 upvotes, so people are going to his profile, seeing other posts and then going and upvoting them. What this means is that users who make a popular post can do something like add in a link to their profile, drive people there and get their other posts upvoted too. This not only changes the way that listnook works it makes brigading a core part of the listnook experience.

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aphonefriend Mar 22, 2017 +81

"Hey guys, /u/whocares here, before we get started I'd like to take a minute to point out these sick links in my profile, if you love me or just want to support my awesome page, go ahead and click on XY and Z. Also, for my ......blah blah blah" Aaaaaaaand, xed out. Sound familiar?

FoggyTitans Mar 22, 2017 +69

Yeah the point you've made deserves more attention. Number of followers would directly translate to upvote power in sublistnooks. That means companies or power-users can easily control the narratives/content on any sublistnook they post to. It would create a dangerous hierarchy and inspire shameless attempts to garner followers.

KiraAzun Mar 21, 2017 +61

Honestly, this is a little scary. First I used Tumblr, for about 6 months or so. Then I kind of stopped, not really feeling engaged at all with any posts I was seeing. Then I went to Twitter. I only used Twitter for about 2 months. Once again, I just didn't like the overall focus on who ever posted the tweet. Nobody discussed anything, nobody did anything except reply to who ever tweeted. Now, I've been using Listnook for 7 months. I pretty much love it. There's always something to read, cool things to talk about, and I can connect with others who have the same interests as me. But with these profiles, I can't help like Listnook is trying to be more like the bigger social media sites like Twitter, Tumblr, Instagram, etc. And that difference is what makes me like Listnook so much in the first place. When I first read this post, I didn't really understand what this ment, and thought it could work out OK. Then I started to read the comments, and this opened up my eyes to see what could go wrong. More people could follow a singular user, and less prevalence (that doesn't seem like the right word) is put on the communities. 99% of the time when I read a comment, I don't care who posted it. I only really look at the name if someone else mentions something, and I check who posted that comment. I might go "Oh, look, it's [blank], I've seen them on some other posts, they're pretty funny" . Then I move along. Listnook to me is a place where it doesn't really matter who you are, you still have a chance to participate in the conversation. With profile pages for the most well known creators, or business, or personalities, it starts to feel more like everyone else doesn't really matter. Thank you for reading, this has been my longest comment I've ever written. I hope I conveyed my message, I'm not the best writer around.

Bobwayne17 Mar 22, 2017 +35

Wow this is a f****** horrible idea. When I go to a sublistnook I go there to interact with EVERYONE. I remember the times where SWC would come to random big threads and paint funny shit, I remember when important shit from kn0thing was in places everyone could see, I remember rioters being forced to answer serious concerns on the league sublistnooks. Things I've literally been a part of for years. Now you're telling me I have to follow them specifically? That what, they will no longer contribute to the discussion because we are all unworthy or something? Why can't they do what Listnook has ALWAYS done - create content in sublistnooks. Obviously by my profile im no mega user or anything. I just have enjoyed Listnook for many years and I REALLY hope this doesn't happen. I don't want to see these people take this to their own profile instead of sharing it with everyone because I don't care about their profile. I don't. SWC won't paint things that I have the context for. It must not be important if kn0thing is rambling on his profile (like facebook). It must not matter to Riot to no longer interact in their sublistnook ALREADY and post shit in their profile that the people of the sublistnook deserve to see and discuss. God this idea is terrible. I can't believe you've found a way to Digg this place but you have. You're all rich already, wildly rich. Why f*** it up for the millions of people that just LOVE being on Listnook? For more money? It doesn't make any sense. I can't believe a focus group for 20 normal listnookors would come together and be hyped as f*** for this.

DrewsephA Mar 21, 2017 +7619

I really don't like this idea. I come to listnook because it's different, because it's about the community, rather than the individual. If I wanted to participate in a site centered around status updates and profile pages, I would go to Facebook or Twitter or Instagram or Tumblr or even Snapchat. I like the idea of freshening up the user pages, but I don't think that content should be posted exclusively there. There's a sitewide rule against self-promotion, which I know you said doesn't apply to the userpages, but that's all this is, a way to circumvent the self-promotion rule. "Look what I've posted to my page, everybody come look at my page, give me pageviews." Part of the charm of listnook is finding a gem of a user in a sublistnook, especially in the small ones. Now, rather than them engaging in the communities, especially ones built up around them (HPC, H3H3, etc), they're just going to post to their own userpages, because it's just easier.

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embracing_insanity Mar 22, 2017 +16

Another one who vehement supports what you've said. Reading this post kind of made my stomach turn a bit. A reaction I was truly surprised to have. I didn't realize how much I appreciate the vibe and structure of listnook, but it's the only social media site that I use daily and honestly enjoy. When I clicked on the first profile, it felt like I was suddenly on Facebook. And that's when my stomach turned. I'm not joking or trying to be dramatic. It's just what happened and I really had no idea until that moment how much listnook has become a part of my life - as dumb as that may sound. Some of us have very few outlets or connections to the outside world - for various reasons. Mine just happens to be due to health issues that have made my life pretty f****** isolated. I grew up without the internet, but now, I realized how important that connection is to me, because without it - it would mostly just be me, sitting in a house alone for the better part of 24/7. Pretty f****** depressing. I miss my old life. But at least the internet allows me to still connect with other people in a real and meaningful way. But not on places like Facebook, et al. Those sites have their place and plenty of people use them. But listnook is exactly unlike any other social media site out there. And that's exactly what I appreciate so very much. On listnook, I find so many satisfying connections. I get to be part of real conversations ranging from important world events to dark humor to silly/warm-fuzzy things. And everyone is on equal grounds regardless of who we are irl. Yes, there are the few 'well-known' users that are kind of like the 'popular kids/celebrities'. But mostly, it's just you and me and us kind of feel. It's *not* the popularity contest 'feel' of places like Instagram or Facebook. Even real world celebrities become just another listnookor on here. They become *part* of the community. Not 'person a' vs. 'person b' vs. 'person c' and then their mass 'followers'. It's about a community of people all on the same level interacting with one another, sharing thoughts and ideas, offering advice and help, debating deeply personal topics, laughing at ridiculous things and so forth. I love, love, *love* the vibe and set up of listnook because of everything it is *not*. And this idea just feels like they are trying to turn it into another version of Facebook. Listnook filled a need I didn't know I had. And it wasn't until I felt a true threat that it could all fall by the wayside and turn into yet another dime a dozen social media site like all the others, did I realize how important it is to my life. I feel stupid even admitting this. But it's the truth. Listnook is truly unique and offers something you can't find on other social media sites. And I'd be really sad to see it morph into exactly what so many of us come here to get away from.

EXCUSE_ME_BEARFUCKER Mar 21, 2017 +221

Uhh, I'm pretty sure this is something DIGG tried to implement with their newly designed website before they bit the dust. I could be wrong, it's been awhile. EDIT: Actually wait, yes, they definitely tried to integrate a power user type community. >Personalization and social networking are at the heart of the new Digg. This new version of the site encourages users to follow friends and other interesting people in an almost Twitter-like fashion. Worked out real well for them. That's why I'm here now on Listnook.

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Bnasty5 Mar 21, 2017 +83

There is a reason i spent litteraly hours and hours a day on listnook. Its because of the content and communities. I dont want to have to search personal profile pages every day. I can already do something similar on twitter and i rarely use that site for more than 5 or 10 minutes. I dont know if this change is that big of a deal but it seems like the start of something completely against the soul of the site and what makes it great.

imagine8films Mar 21, 2017 +507

This. Exactly this. One of The KEY REASONS why I, and millions of other users, come to Listnook is because it is NOT Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter - a popularity contest. Here, as Listnook currently operates, EVERY USER is EQUAL. Listnook is different than everything else out there. I urge you - DON'T CONFORM to others. Keep your originality. Keep your uniqueness. Treasure lies in being unique. Don't destroy that.

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +1809

This. Everybody is at the same level on this website, and the fact that there is such a "democratic" vibe around is the main reason for which I spend so much time here; I don't feel like I constantly have to prove myself like on other social media platforms. Please don't take that away.

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dehue Mar 21, 2017 +295

I agree. If someone has a large following and posts in a small sublistnook, does that mean that their post will now be the most popular just because all these people are up voting their every post? Listnook communities are nice because everyone is more or less on the same level. I feel like focusing on users will take that away and turn it into the big spam field that is facebook and other social media.

jimmywiliker Mar 21, 2017 +824

Right. For example I can click on your profile and it's no different than /u/thisisbillgates . I think that pretty cool and seems way more personal. Like bill gates is just another one of us listnookors and at the same time it's fking bill gates.

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cxkis Mar 21, 2017 +50

I'm right with you on all points. I had long hoped for better user pages, where we could put a short summary and people who wanted to do so could include a photo, link to a website, etc. This feels like the [Bizarro Jerry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bizarro_Jerry) version of that hope.

Ph0X Mar 21, 2017 +22

I agree that the content can be better, but am I the only one that loves the simple and space efficient look of listnook? Every other site is pudding padding everywhere, huge headers, center columns, etc. Listnook has always kept to the minimal look. But now, look at the density of information on the [new profile page](http://i.imgur.com/dmleqB3.png) vs [the frontpage](http://i.imgur.com/AqPOsQH.png). Half the screen is a f****** header! I know as a web designer, it's tempting to pull out all the cool generic design techniques you've learned with grid systems and all, but please, stop trying to turn listnook into a generic looking center column padded f****** site.

1100000011110 Mar 21, 2017 +334

I appreciate that you're trying to innovate and improve the site. I like the recent changes you've made to post scores, and I browse /r/popular way more than I used to browse /r/all. This change, however, feels like a fundamental change to the site, one which goes against why I joined Listnook in the first place. I love that Listnook is focused almost entirely on content and community instead of individual users. Sure, there are "famous" listnookors like /u/shitty_watercolour and /u/GallowBoob. But they got their fame by being frequent contributors who post good content. I feel this new feature could move some "famous" users' focus from sublistnooks to their own user pages, which could ultimately lead to a decrease in the overall quality of content in the sublistnooks that they would have previously submitted that content to. I'm sure you've considered this option, but I think a happy medium would be adding some kind of "Pin to my profile" button to posts that you've made. They would essentially function as stickied threads in sublistnooks, only on the current iteration of the user page. This would allow users to highlight content that they feel is a good representation of who they are on listnook without introducing this new mainstream, me-first social media aspect. *edited for clarity

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +456

The only reason I have a listnook account is because it had none of this profile page nonsense, it's a major reason I deleted my other social media accounts. People start becoming too self-centered and the purpose of listnook will shift from a fun community into content whoring and a lot more sponsoring and so on that turned YouTube into what it is today. I like listnook because the focus isn't the people, it's the topic at hand. With this change, the dynamic will definitely shift to what other social media sites have become. Initially, it'll be viewed as a "popular" change by the admins, which will encourage more changes to come, resulting in the focus of threaded discussions declining more and more over time. Think carefully for the long-term future of listnook, not the short-term. Edit: also look how broken it looks in desktop mode on mobile devices. It doesn't even come close to the consistency listnook has.

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ScanianMoose Mar 21, 2017 +633

My questions were left unanswered yesterday, so let's try again: How will you counteract [SEO spam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamdexing)? Will you counteract SEO spam posted on user's profiles at all? How will I be able to get spam and prohibited content off this site, especially if it's time-sensitive? Since we're sidestepping automod rules and human moderation here, there does not seem to be an adequate solution to this. Your answers boil down to "let upvotes decide" and "spammers won't get many subs anyway", but we all know that this is not how this works. How will I be able to find OC creators if not by their real name? Will personal posts be included in the listnook-wide search (please no)? Will we be able to differentiate between profile and sublistnook posts i.e. will Toolbox still be able to compile an accurate report of submitted domain percentages (only sublistnook posts)?

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[deleted] Mar 22, 2017 +49

i'm just going to copy this comment by u/venom0923. It speaks for me and if anybody else feels the same they should just copy it and paste it too. "People have already stated my feelings more eloquently than I am capable of in this thread. Maybe my contribution to quantity will be of some value. I reiterate what the vast majority of this thread has said, we don't f****** want this. Tell the advertisers, or whoever is pressuring you to do this, to shove it up their ass. Let Listnook be Listnook, please. For the love of god, please. We harbor no loyalty to your sit, and if Digg or the fall of Yahoo to Google weren't signs enough that in the tech world things can go from lively to a ghost town in a quick second, let me remind you. The userbase has almost no confidence in the Listnook team anymore, and if a better Listnook comes along, we'll jump ship in a hurry. If you don't believe me, just keep pushing shit like this out. Just remember my comment in the future when you've driven your company in to the ground. Again, we don't f****** want this. Stop, pls."

Zthe27th Mar 21, 2017 +592

I'm a content creator who does a bunch with some Listnook communities and this change has me concerned. I've done well because I've interacted with my communities. This change doesn't look like it will help build communities.

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +23

This is exactly my reaction to it after reading a bunch of official responses to comments. It seems like the Listnooks dev's as well as the corporate entities they are clearly trying to pander to are completely missing the positive effect they can have on their brand in the sites current format. I'm always stoked when I see dev's responding in sublistnooks or talking about them in their official dialogues. It gives an organic feel to the interaction and makes the brand more likable as a whole. Switching to basically Facebook is just dumb. The interactions will be inorganic and filtered. They probably already are for the most part but they don't *feel* manufactured and that is so much more useful than making the interactions "more convenient". And that is of course ignoring that the new features don't look exponentially more convenient.

TbanksIV Mar 21, 2017 +64

So what happens to AMAs? Presumably most high profile AMAs will now go through personal pages rather than the AMA sub or subs related to the person answering questions. Moving this to the personal page allows those who do AMA's to delete questions they don't want to answer. As well as all comments that potentially challenge the hosts ideas. Why allow the hosts of the AMA to control the narrative? For example if this was the case back when Woody Harrelson did his AMA he could delete every question that didn't relate to Rampart. If Donald Trump does an AMA it will allow him to silence anyone who has a question he doesn't like. If Papa John of Pizza fame did an AMA he could delete all posts that don't enforce a positive view of their product. This change is not for the users is it? It's for the already prevalent mass marketing campaign on Listnook to flourish without challenge. I wonder how Voats doing.

nigborg Mar 21, 2017 +643

Can you guys please PLEASE not do this? I understand every new CEO wants to add their own mark on listnook, but nobody is complaining about Power Users not having enough tools to garner followers. Most people don't really like the concept of Power Users to begin with, and you guys are actively supporting it here. I understand there are workaround (creating your own sublistnook), but it's different when you as a company publicly approve and give them your support. Please, please, please, stop taking listnook farther away than its original purpose. You exist in the tech economy. When users stop appreciating what you're doing, they will go somewhere else. You don't want to be historically remembered as Digg 2.0 edit: I'm not an experienced moderator or an eloquent speaker, but I've created /r/rexit as a place to discuss what's going on with Listnook and what our options are. If anyone wants to help that would be much appreciated

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HatesModerators Mar 21, 2017 +36

The first thing I thought when I opened that user profile link was: "This is f****** Facebook. I do not see this ending well." And looking at it, all it looks like is just another social media clone.

mango__reinhardt Mar 21, 2017 +25

I am not a fan of this change. This site, while not strictly anonymous, fuels discussion without the fear of someone attaching your name to your open thoughts. It's not just that though... attaching identity to content changes the dynamic of a social media site, and puts the focus on the people rather than the ideas. Look at famous listnookors like /u/Gallowboob. His limited anonymity changes the behavior of the community with which he interacts, simply because he is a known person. Creating a culture of lesser anonymity just creates a catalyst for the suppression and dilution of the culture itself. Then, once you create an incentive for users to make them self known through followers and notoriety, you'll find that your social structure changes to those like instagram, facebook, twitter, etc. People without notoriety become less meaningful, and so does their content. Likewise, filtering, "circles" of users, and increasingly narrowed exposure to "unliked" content and people will continue to make communities stale. This is a myspace or digg level change. You're removing the essence of this site. Maybe not completely or immediately, but this is the first change of many that moves your business in the wrong direction to its user base. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_1UEAGCo30 Watch Moot speak to this very thing, and think about why he protected that idea.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +2490

This seems to chiefly accomplish two things: * Removes power from sublistnooks and their mods and gives it directly to brands, something Listnook has been trying to underhandedly do for a long time * Confuse and muddy the waters between a user and a community. /u/leagueoflegends is not a 'user' in any sense of the word. Facebook eventually realized that having brands pretend to be people is stupid, and built Pages specifically to counteract this problem. Learn from their mistake, don't repeat it. Both of these things I'm generally opposed to. This change seems unnecessary and unwanted. It's fairly disappointing development time was spent on this and not the huge backlog of needed fixes to the site.

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[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +1640

I came to listnook to escape hell (Facebook) and found a sprawling mansion here for myself. Just as I was settling in, Listnook bulldozes it and puts up a shitty Facebook-Mart-whatever. I don't like this. I wanted all of us to be anonymous, to be different and f****** far-away from the douches that scour and scavenge on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Except for in AMAs, I don't care if the person whose post I am commenting on is Bill Gates or Osama Bin Laden. I don't have a personal respect for any single one listnookor, I have a common respect for all of us. There is a reason we all are here on Listnook and not with the girls that are selling protein powder on Instagram to make a living.

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imagine8films Mar 21, 2017 +537

This. Exactly this. One of The KEY REASONS why I, and millions of other users, come to Listnook is because it is NOT Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter - a popular contest. Here, as Listnook currently operates, EVERY USER is EQUAL. Listnook is different than everything else out there. I urge you - DON'T CONFORM to others. Keep your originality. Keep your uniqueness. Treasure lies in being unique. Don't destroy that.

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tigermomo Mar 21, 2017 +75

Sign me up for this camp. Part of the purity and enjoyment of listnook is not being able to see who is behind the words. We can all take it the words without all the baggage. Please no.

graaahh Mar 21, 2017 +149

**This is not made clear in the OP. The admins are planning to allow posts to these pages to be shown on /r/all and /r/popular.** I think this is a terrible idea, personally, though I'm not *necessarily* opposed to the profile page idea itself (I'm still keeping an open mind about being opposed to it though, depending how this goes). But I wanted to make it clear to anyone who only read the OP here that they forgot to mention these posts will go to /r/all and /r/popular too. edit: Yesterday in the /r/modnews thread, they said posts on usersubs *would* be visible on /r/all and /r/popular. This was also one of the most hotly contested things in that thread, so I am shocked that they did not include it in the OP here. [/u/spez has now said something](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/60p3n1/tldr_today_were_testing_out_a_new_feature_that/df85jhi/?context=1) about this not being definite yet. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the admins decide, but I still say that's a very bad idea.

The_Dawkness Mar 22, 2017 +25

Please, god no. This is my first cake day. I've been here for exactly a year and I can absolutely say that listnook has changed my life. I honestly don't know what I used to do on the internet before listnook. I'm a bit of a shut-in and I hate that I've only found this site so recently. I hear other listnookors talk about how this site used to be with an incredible amount of fondness, and I wish I had been here to experience all of that, and I'm thankful for the last year I've had here. Every single change you've made in the last year, and the changes I've read about after the fact and their effects, I see to be on-the-whole, fine. Some of them have been questionable to hard-core, long-term listnookors, such as the change making comments accrue karma and sponsored posts, but this takes it over the edge. This change is a mistake that is obviously money-driven, and it will hurt the character of the site in a devastating way. While I understand that Listnook is a business and it is only supposed to be about money, this will hurt you in the long run. Why would you want to be more like facebook or youtube? Listnook has a unique character and you are literally trashing it with this change. Please don't do this.

Creator13 Mar 21, 2017 +35

I've been reading some of the comments and your reactions, and I want to add this: it is *not* hard to post OC in sublistnooks and gain traction. I am not necessarily a content creator, but I do provide original content to sublistnooks. I like to think this is my pseudo-anonymous account, since I also have an account to post some of the photos I make. I would not want to post these photos to my personal account, where they will be seen by no one because I have no followers. I want to post them to photo sublistnooks like r/EarthPorn, r/photography or r/photocritique. Of course, seasoned users will still keep doing things like this. For new users this system is incredibly confusing. They will not gain any traction in their profile posts since their posts will not be seen in r/all and r/popular (I also think that profile posts *shouldn't* be seen in these subs). Twitter and Facebook both have more active single users than Listnook. When you make a system in Listnook that is comparable to these sites, new users will try to imitate what they've been doing over at those sites. For example, if I have the possibility to set a profile picture, I will to look more dedicated. It also looks so clumsy to keep the default picture. This will make me set a profile picture, which is something that doesn't fit into the spirit of Listnook at all. I can guarantee that this will turn Listnook more towards the FB/Twitter-side of the social media spectrum. Another problem: You are testing this only with people that directly benefit of it, and for them I don't think this is a bad idea at all. But the results of the test will not at all be representative of the way it will work when it is rolled out. Based on all this, I think it's an okay feature (not great, but okay) when you separate these new profile account from the average 'lurker and sometimes-poster' account. Maybe introduce a button "Turn into personal profile" which will then make Listnook treat your profile as a sublistnook in every way, save for the fact you can also post to sublistnooks and comment sections under that name. I think it's a terrible idea to give this feature as a default for everyone, because it will turn Listnook into a Twitter clone with added subject pages (also called sublistnooks).

Fumblerful- Mar 21, 2017 +149

I do not like this idea. When I found Listnook two years ago, I fell in love with it because it did NOT promote celebrity status of users. Users had to work for that and even then, they were still just users providing content alongside everyother user providing content. To me, Listnook is about the sublistnooks, about communities making content and not about a few individuals making content. This change will shift listnook to a platform people already dislike. Look at what is happening with Youtube. Youtube decided to switch to supporting major platforms and it feels less casual because of that. I don't want Listnook to shift over to that as well.

psychyness Mar 21, 2017 +142

I'm rather apprehensive about this move by Listnook. I don't give a shit about individual people, and the community of Listnook is perfect for that style. It's something that made Listnook standout from other social media platforms. This could be a huge mistake. Frankly I may dislike it enough to be looking for another Listnook alternative. Not that anyone gives a shit about my opinion, but I spend so much time on this site I wanted to voice it anyways. Edit: F*** it. I'm not even worried about it anymore. I was for like, 5 minutes, and then I realized if they wanted to kill their site by making it into some stupid social media thing then there will definitely be a new Listnook anyways. Ah well!

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throwitaway488 Mar 21, 2017 +641

It's a brand thing. It gives marketers and brands a way to easily promote ($) their product and have much more control over it than they would a sublistnook.

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PM_ME_SHIHTZU_PICS Mar 21, 2017 +52

I genuinely think this is an awful idea. I'm not in social media because I don't like it. I don't want Listnook to feel like more of a popularity contest. Yes, there are users that we all like to see pop up from time to time, but that's the beauty of Listnook. We get to see them from time to time, the rest of the time it's just regular users doing regular user things. Allowing people to post on their profiles is going to make Listnook feel just like Facebook, and people on Facebook are leaving because it is Facebook. They are coming here because it is not. Also, when I click the link to go to the alpha testers profiles I get a message saying that the link isn't available. I'm using Listnook is Fun Platinum if that helps.

tasmanian101 Mar 21, 2017 +47

This is clearly a change aimed at pleasing advertisers. From the r/modnews announcement >Could these kinds of self-posts appear on r/all (or r/popular)? Yes The new user page will allow a brand to build a following and in turn their user posts will reach the front page without any of the community moderation. This is clearly intended to allow brands similar control like twitter and facebook. This change only makes it easier to game or bot the system. Without the moderation that popular and frontpage sublistnooks have this allows advertisements to directly rise to the front page of listnook with ease. Likely the next major change will be promoted user posts.

[deleted] Mar 22, 2017 +26

People have already stated my feelings more eloquently than I am capable of in this thread. Maybe my contribution to quantity will be of some value. I reiterate what the vast majority of this thread has said, we don't f****** want this. Tell the advertisers, or whoever is pressuring you to do this, to shove it up their ass. Let Listnook be Listnook, please. For the love of god, please. We harbor no loyalty to your sit, and if Digg or the fall of Yahoo to Google weren't signs enough that in the tech world things can go from lively to a ghost town in a *quick* second, let me remind you. The userbase has almost no confidence in the Listnook team anymore, and if a better Listnook comes along, we'll jump ship in a hurry. If you don't believe me, just keep pushing shit like this out. Just remember my comment in the future when you've driven your company in to the ground. Again, we don't f****** want this. Stop, pls.

antihexe Mar 21, 2017 +79

Do you think that having user profile posts show up on /r/all and /r/popular instead of only on the subscribers front page is going to amplify the super user problem? (You said this is something that is "possible" [HERE](https://www.listnook.com/r/modnews/comments/60i60u/tomorrow_well_be_launching_a_new_posttoprofile/df6ku76/).) Isn't this entirely antithetical to the core of listnook which is facilitating and building communities -- i.e. the feature is more about one user rather than a collective creation itself? I think an interactive user profile is a good idea. But I am not sold -- at all -- on its showing up on /r/all or /r/popular. Anyone have any arguments for this integration?

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +21

Well there's 3000 comments as of now, so my comment won't be read, but I'll try anyways. I've been really supportive of listnook's decisions to innovate the past couple years, but I think this is a really bad idea. Listnook is about communities, not individuals. I feel like this change will make listnook feel more like youtube, where you're encouraged to follow personalities and see updates from them. What I enjoy about listnook is that everyone is on the same playing field, follows the same rules, and I feel like this taints that. In an effort to try and understand your position, I've got a couple questions you can answer: * What is the goal of this change? * What kind of direction is this taking listnook? Where do ya'll envision listnook to be in 1, 5, or 10 years? I know you guys are trying your best to avoid a digg-like exodus, but I feel like this could really upset the community. I've just got a really bad feeling about this.

snissn Mar 21, 2017 +73

> We’re taking feedback on this experience on r/beta and will be paying close attention to the voices of community members. We want to understand what the impact of this change is to Listnook’s existing communities, which is why we’re partnering with only a handful of users as we slowly roll this out. you're not, you really are not engaging or caring about your users here. no one wants this. there's a ton of other things you can be doing besides this. This is just a prelude to a native advertising play that is going to completely kill listnook

ohwhatirony Mar 21, 2017 +41

Oh no. Part of what makes Listnook great is the uniform nature of everyone's profile, not giving one person more sense of their identity besides their post. If I wanted my original content in one place, maybe I could "tag" it instead of changing an entire profile (e.g. complete with cover photos). Or even have a section for links to other media in a profile (e.g. Deviantart, portfolios, Instagram). One of the reasons I loved listnook is its integrity. You judge a person completely by their comment/posts (and occasionally their username), not by things like "signatures" and "avatars" that plague other forum-based sites.

white_lightning Mar 21, 2017 +2988

Count me as a vote against this. This kind of feature will end up destroying sublistnooks. Why would a company, celebrity, etc. use a sublistnook (or a "community" as you keep calling them) to post updates, do an AMA, or whatever when they could just use their profile. This is just going to fracture sublistnooks that cover wider topics and decrease the conversation into something more targeted. Whole thing just feels anti-listnook

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snorlz Mar 21, 2017 +30

not sure i like this. primarily because it gives certain people special status over everyone else. their content no longer has to go through the upvoting process, they get a free pass because all their subs will see everything they do (and upvote). that kind of defeats the crowd voting aspects of listnook IMO and soon we're just gonna see certain people over and over on the front page. not to mention all their shitty content appears to everyone who follows them. These accounts are also definitely going to get monetized and turned into ad machines to some extent. It detracts from the "community" feel of listnook and seems like its falling into normal social media trends, a la facebook or instagram or youtube.

LawlessCoffeh Mar 21, 2017 +60

It looks too much like Twitter in style if you ask me. I think a blurb about yourself and a user icon are welcome additions however. It may be important that we should also have the option to mark things as NSFW, Including our profile pictures. While we're on the subject though. #I'd like to have the option to block other users from viewing where I'm active, and this seems like a perfect opportunity to debut that feature. This privacy feature has been a feature I've wanted to be a part of listnook for ages, in addition to taking action against thoughtcrime bans in general. This allows some subs such as /r/OffMyChest to make actual _thought crime bans_ based on where you're active. Regardless if you've made a post or broken any rules there. (If you ask to be unbanned, They'll give you a canned response about these sublistnooks they don't approve of, And state that they'll only even think about talking to you if you promise to never post there again) IMO this is a grievous overstep of their authority of mods of _one sublistnook_, and y'know, going through someone's post history to dig up dirt on them is just a plain shitty thing to do ._.

hiero_ Mar 21, 2017 +600

As someone posted in r/modnews yesterday, I'm afraid this will discourage posting to sublistnooks and could hurt communities. I'm also worried that this change will ultimately only really 'help' the more "famous" listnookors, while the majority will either never use this feature, or will never get to use this feature. It seems to me there needs to be more emphasis on the 'friends' feature listnook has had for years, if this is the direction we're going

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beekr427 Mar 21, 2017 +188

Here's how it'll work. Open r/all, *sees gif, "that was funny", goes to USER page in lieu of sublistnook because THAT user was the funny one, f*** the rest of the sub. That guy is funny! FOLLOWED. Back to r/all, scroll on. (insert death of subs here) Not to mention the inevitable elevation of listnook celebrities. "You liked user x, others also liked user Y!" or "Recommended Listnook content creator : X" bullshit in feeds.

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PM_ME_2_TRUTHS_1_LIE Mar 21, 2017 +28

I sincerely think this is a horrible idea. Listnook it is a site where users come together and discuss in communities, not promote their own profile. That it its niche. When sites try to become something they're not, they can die fast. Look at Digg or even Yik Yak for an example. Yik Yak's niche was that it was an anonymous posting site for people to talk about their school/area. It was fun because it built community within the area. Then they added usernames, and it went to shit. If Listnook adds profiles, it will also turn to shit-- it will basically become Tumblr or Facebook.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +91

One thing, I hate that the Listnook admins keep trying to make Listnook about the big users. I even remember you made Tom Hanks into a marketing scheme, and you started giving famous users flairs for the whole site? It's pretty bad, as Listnook is supposed to be for the masses, not for the upvotes and karma grabbers. So, if this is to be a great thing it must be for the users and not for the sellers. Which will be really hard to do.

Erkumbulant Mar 21, 2017 +63

I know this will probably be drowned out by the wave of comments, but I'd like to say this anyway: what you have here is not Listnook. It may be Twitter or Instagram or Facebook or every other social medium, but it isn't Listnook. Most other popular social media are all about "me, me, me". Listnook is not, and that's why I'm here. These pages don't even *look* like Listnook. At first glance I'd think it was a Twitter clone. I really, truly hope that you reconsider this. It may just ruin the site.

Pondors Mar 21, 2017 +44

I come to Listnook to get away from Facebook. Don't you think turning it into a Social Media style website with profiles will reduce the quality of content, since people now have their personal reputation at stake? The disconnect from your real and professional life is what allows for honest posting. I get that you can opt-out, but once you open that can of worms there's no going back, especially if it's opt-in by default.

Wildnothing1 Mar 21, 2017 +41

There's a f****** reason I don't use social media - I don't want a profile page, I don't want followers, and I don't want to follow anyone. This is just a stepping stone to turn listnook (soon to be plebbit) into an even bigger d*** measuring contest and function as a shitty twitter feed. Also, allowing brands to make their own profiles is bullshit too. I don't want to be advertised to even more than I already am by corporate shills pushing their bullshit to the front page everyday under the guise of being a meme. But sure, listnook will milk this for some cash before letting this ship sink. ICEBERG AHEAD!

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-ksguy- Mar 21, 2017 +25

In another comment you stated: >The goal of this product is to create a platform for creators To me this sounds like a stepping stone to monetization of individual user profiles. Content creators with popular pages are offered the ability to place targeted advertisements on their pages - with listnook getting a share, of course. Can you elaborate on whether this is part of future plans? I really can't envision this having any purpose other than being a stepping stone to a cash grab.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +17

I do not like this at all. I do not want Listnook to turn into a place where user fight over followers like every other social media sight in the world. This is also going to lead to brigading of a popular users post (which is already a problem on Listnook) and it will also be easy for corporations to get a ton of upovotes (because of brigading) on posts that are really just advertisements (which is also a huge problem on Listnook) The fact that users can't have followers or "subs" is one of the Key factors of what seperates Listnook from other social media sites that exploit it's users for ad revenue. PLEASE do not implement this feature.

whoknewyouknew Mar 21, 2017 +25

This seems like the first step on a very slippery slope towards becoming a Facebook or Twitter. This is probably one of the worst things that can happen to listnook. Brb taking a snapshot of listnook right now so after it becomes Facebook we can go back to the good old days. I understand people don't like change but this is taking a huge turn as far as listnook goes. Down the Wrong path. Please don't do this. Im ending my gold subscription on my other account if this makes it way to the norm

ImaNinja88 Mar 21, 2017 +71

I know you're still testing, but I feel that not having profiles is kind of what makes Listnook great. Sure, some accounts are well known (u/Gallowboob, for example) but the reason that Listnook has discussion like no other sites is because everyone is equal. Idk, maybe I have no idea how the site works, but not having profiles has actually been my favorite thing about Listnook.

dancingonfire Mar 22, 2017 +17

I rarely bother with announcement posts past a glance but when I saw this one my stomach literally sank. #I am absolutely opposed to this. Obviously, from your lack of responses in this thread you don't give a shit and that's the biggest mistake of all. The moment this place turns into another Facebook, I'm leaving. It seems like a lot of us agree with this sentiment and I doubt you'll get an influx of users with how similar it will be to other sites. Implementing this will likely kill you instead of making you money like you want.

Delta-9- Mar 21, 2017 +121

tl;dr For some dumb-f*** reason we've decided to turn Listnook into Facebook. I don't need one of the last somewhat cool places on the internet turning into *another* narcissism/advertising outlet. I'll go to Tumblr and Twitter if I want those things. I come to Listnook because the narcissism is buried in thousands of communities and the advertising is easy to tune out.

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cdos93 Mar 21, 2017 +171

it seems like this is going to be an attempt to pave the way into making listnook a social media site similar to Facebook, Twitter, etc. I'm not sure if it works. Facebook and Twitter have already locked the market down there. Also I like listnook because it's not yet another social media site. I'm pretty apprehensive about this move.

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sooperdavid Mar 21, 2017 +13

Sorry guys but I don't think this is a good idea. Listnook works for a reason. We don't want it to be about 1 person sharing content, its meant to be about community doing it together. When we started /r/Reallifedoodles the idea was to get as many people involved as possible making fun gifs, not it being about one person. If I wanted that I would of started /r/sooperdaviddrawsfacesonvideos or something I see you're trying to change things (I'm not sure why) but you have something that works and opening it up like this seems quite digg like. It seems a bit like you are trying to decide what people want to see, that you know best. You don't know what people want and it annoys people when you decide for them. Maybe I am misunderstanding this feature but I don't think its what Listnook wants. I hope you dont mess this up.

apocolyptictodd Mar 21, 2017 +135

Oh good so now the site is another shit social media clone, because, you know, that what I want when I go to listnook, I want FaceBook light. Admins, do you guys just not realize why this site is popular? Can't you leave well enough alone? Why do none of you realize that you had a good thing going?

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8007312 Mar 21, 2017 +388

[Direct from the reddiquette](https://www.listnook.com/wiki/reddiquette) Do not moderate a story based on your opinion of its source. **Quality of content is more important than who created it.** Edit: Fixed quote

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Orlando_Curioso Mar 21, 2017 +11

1) Where do I go if I want to learn about somebody or follow somebody's work? Their website. Facebook. Instagram. Twitter. Where do I not go (and not *want* to go)? Listnook. If I am interested enough in a particular piece of content on Listnook, I will seek out the creator elsewhere. 2) Opt-in and opt-out is a false choice. I can see no realistic way that this does not fundamentally impact the way that Listnook is used. The opt-in and opt-out decision is one that would take place *within* the new system, not one that would determine anything about its being in place. In other words, this is not like: "In addition to checkers, we now also offer chess, and you can choose either"; this is like: "Instead of checkers, we now offer chess--but you can continue to play by the rules of checkers if you like." The game is just different!

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +53

I dunno, I like Listnook because of the focus on communities rather than specific people. I feel like this is kinda unnecessary and just hurts that. You say it's to give a home for people to put their original content, but can't sublistnooks already do that?

BloodGulch Mar 21, 2017 +68

Will this feature be canceled if this alpha test doesn't work well? I hope this is a true trial, and not a "we've already decided this is going to happen". I don't like it. Seems like a social network; there are enough of those.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +13

People will like this. It's the people that are in love with themselves that will like this. There is a large market for that. Listnook grew into what it is by appealing to those that aren't JUST in love with themselves. The crowd that only social media's on listnook to avoid the people that are in love with themselves (me and I imagine a few others) will hate this. Everyone was equal in their anonymity... now fake profile pictures and manufactured identities will skew how people's contributions are judged. DO NOT CARE FOR THIS ONE BIT.

NPR_is_not_that_bad Mar 21, 2017 +13

By far my biggest worry is that this will give incentive for users to only post on their profile pages - completely changing the site and rendering sublistnooks as second thoughts. I understand the urge to want to highlight users that post awesome and exciting stuff, and at times I too would love to have a more prominent platform, but honestly Listnook is great because it is anonymous and people contribute together towards making sublistnooks informative, interesting and funny. Please do not allow narcissism to enter the fray.

funsizedaisy Mar 21, 2017 +26

I hate it. We all saw what happened to MySpace when they decided to change it all up. It died instantly. Listnook isn't a site about personal profiles. Let social media keep that arena. There's nothing else like listnook so changing listnook to be more like social media will completely kill the reason to even use listnook. This idea sucks, bottom line.

sanityvampire Mar 21, 2017 +135

Oh, cool. This should be a great tool for content creators® and definitely doesn't seem like a way for corporate social media teams to shit up the site by creating huge, monolithic, "branded" accounts and filling the site with more useless, visually intrusive advertising.

shassamyak Mar 21, 2017 +16

It's bad,very bad. It will hinter the organic threads. It's like following celebrities on Instagram and twitter. This will create an even bigger echo chamber besides the users with good number of followers will start endorsing products subtly. Is it some sort of way to try to monetize famous users so that seeing this other original creators leave different other sites and come here on listnook because of its huge number of users? Is this the way to monetize listnook?

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +70

There is way too much white space. It looks like c*** on a smaller screen. What happened to being able to see comments, or comments and posts? What happened to trophies, subs they mod, etc? Why the push to make listnook more like facebook or twitter? If we wanted that, wouldn't we be there instead? What about the tabs at the top like gilded? Why is listnook constantly trying to come up with solutions to problems that don't exist instead of focusing on existing problems?

TylerthePotato Mar 21, 2017 +213

I hate how social media sites cultivate an atmosphere that makes them successful and then try to integrate portions of other social networks that made them successful. Listnook's not for creators, it's for communities

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Oxxide Mar 21, 2017 +68

I don't understand this feature, why it was implemented, or what kind of show Spez is running over there, but this is laughably incompetent and makes me wonder how out of touch the admins really are. You guys Digg that hole a little deeper with each new announcement. ;)

Smantie Mar 21, 2017 +15

You know what this sounds like? LiveJournal. Personal pages that people can comment, community pages (sublistnooks) to join and post on, hell you've even got avatars and banners. By the way, how are you going to police *those*? If another Fappening happens how will you make sure users don't put the pictures in their avatars or banners? Because that could get you a nice big pile of lawsuits. You really should have done some site-wide market research on this, instead of just asking the people who make monetary profit.

The-Potato-Lord Mar 23, 2017 +4

Please please please do not do this. Please. I know I'm not alone in saying that I come to Listnook to escape other forms of social media and communication often dominated by individuals and empty corporate entities. I don't want Listnook to become all that which I hate so much. Listnook is a community of friendly strangers. Sure we have some less than savoury characters but then so does any community, any family. This move is a step in the wrong direction and will only serve to fragment our community and lead to egoism and all the type of bs seen on YouTube, facebook, Tumblr and twitter. Currently, though of course, we have some shining stars and instantly recognisable users, at heart, we are still a great community of equals. Listnook thrives through this equality. Not recognising users and treating everyone as if it's our first meeting is refreshing. Hatred, division and a decline in critical thinking can and will begin when specific users become clearly recognisable. We'll just think "oh there goes u/the-potato-lords-shoe again" rather than looking at arguments/ideas put forth on their own merit. Currently, users have to be mindful of where and what they post, and all posts are open to equal critique. With the new model new communities and trends will arise and while some may be good I suspect most will not. I fear Listnook will lose its pseudo-anonymity ruined by the oversharers and shitty companies out to make a quick buck. I know the argument is that this feature will strengthen the community but I disagree. Currently, arguments and disagreements between 2 or more users and hateful, sexist, perverted, dumb etc comments towards individual users are (generally) limited to one thread and a user I argue with before breakfast on one thread may be the same one I unknowingly share a joke with on an unrelated thread by lunch time. The use of profiles will make users easily (in relative terms) identifiable and will create an online persona/brand (regardless of whether people can/will opt in/out this will be an issue) for the user and I believe this will be detrimental to the overall 'feel' of Listnook. When people start ending their posts with "check out my audible code" or "I hope you're looking forward to my giveaway next week" etc.. we'll be well along the downward spiral. I don't want this to become another YouTube or Facebook or even a twitter. I don't want to know who the other users are or what they think about xyz unless it's in the context of a wider discussion on a good old fashioned sublistnook thread. I don't want this to become a collection of disparate individuals who sometimes convene to discuss big events or big posts. I want this to stay a community. An anonymous community. Tldr: I love this site to death and think the community, moderators and admins of Listnook are without equals anywhere else on the web. I'm very appreciative that you guys are asking us for our views and I hope you listen to them now. My view and that of so many others is: please reconsider. If this is just an elaborate April fools then good one. Edit: Please do not give the power users more power. Don't make Listnook like every other social media site. Edit 2: as others have noted this will probably divert attention from big and niche subs alike as the creative genius we have, will post more content on their own page, trying to grow their own brand rather than others sublistnooks rather. This will lead to less of us experiencing their creativity while possibility letting them exploit their own audience in ways that haven't been possible until now. I also hope the term "listnookor" doesn't take on the same kind of meaning as "youtuber." We are all Listnookors not just the powerusers/people with tons of karma. Listnook is a meritocracy and I don't want it to become anything else with specific users influencing thought and shaping the community (in their image or in anyone else's) like the users on sites like youtube and twitter etc... Edit 3: to steal an idea from another commenter: 1) Don't do a yik yak. Once you go yak you don't go back (because you'll burn to the ground). 2) Listnook is here to help us to discover communities *not* users. Let's keep it that way. Oh and also thanks for being good admins (up to this point at least) I've always had utmost respect for you. Please don't disappoint so many of us just to make more money or whatever it is you're trying to do now.

funkyblumpkin Mar 22, 2017 +12

This feels so wrong and not Listnook. Listnook should be organized based around ideas & topics, discussions should not revolve around individual listnookors or profiles. It takes focus away from what makes this site great. Content creators (aka users) are here to make Subs better, not the other way around. Also... Won't this inevitably take content away from the subs where these users USED to post? It seems like this will drain whatever is left from this awesome tool and subdivide it into another favebooky insta- bullshit feed. Am I going too overboard here?

nicolasap Mar 21, 2017 +55

When real life friends ask me "what is this listnook thing about" I usually say "it's like the other social networks you know, but instead of seeing content you don't care about from people you know, you just engage with content you care about from people you don't even want to know anything about. And that's the great thing." It looks like listnook is becoming less great.

Joetato Mar 21, 2017 +693

This feels really Facebookey and I don't like it. I'm hoping they trash it during alpha and it never becomes a site wide thing. This feels like a change that's going to backfire and kill Listnook. You seriously need to abandon this, now.

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T_____________T Mar 21, 2017 +13

It looks like other social media sites. The thing I like about Listnook is that you don't have to put any effort into your profile - deciding on an icon, a witty introduction statement etc. If I feel like doing that I can visit any number of other sites. Here at Listnook I feel like I can just relax and be in the moment of a particular thread or comment. I'm so tired of the internet wanting us to build up followers or likes or whatever ... I just want to relax here at Listnook. Pls don't do this.

negajake Mar 22, 2017 +16

Hello Facebook, my old friend I've come to post on you again Because a new meme softly creeping Left its hivemind while I was sleeping And the new meme that was planted in my brain Still remains Within the sound of upvotes In restless posts I walked alone Narrow streets of downvote moans 'Neath the halo of a wiretap I turned my collar to the cold and fapped When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a nsfw delight That split the night And touched the sound of upvotes And in the naked /r/gonewild I saw Ten thousand people, maybe more People posting without speaking People commenting without listening People writing songs that voices never share And no one cared To disturb the sound of upvotes "Fools" said I "You do not know, Facebook like a cancer grows Hear my posts that I might teach you Take my comments that I might reach you" But my words like silent raindrops fell And echoed In the wells of upvotes And the people bowed and prayed To the Facebook-Listnook that they made And the sign flashed out its warning In the words that it was forming And the signs said "The words of the Admins are written just for lawls And they have no balls And whisper'd in the sounds of upvotes.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +18

This is an awful idea. We've come to listnook specifically to get away form invasive sites like Facebook where your profiles are the focus of the site. Listnook is supposed to be like the anonymous chat-boards of old, but ideally) less toxic than 4chan due to it being slightly less anonymous with usernames. With a feature like this, our privacy is yet again being stripped away.

AvgHeightForATree Mar 21, 2017 +42

Hi there /u/HideHideHidden, I'd like to thank you for the all of the enjoyment I've had since I migrated here from Digg, many, many years ago. I came here back in the day because Digg decided to implement some kind of weird social-media/power-user system that caused all of the users to leave and basically destroyed Digg, as a business, overnight. Could you offer some recommendations for Listnook alternatives, once you realise that this is a terrible idea?

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +42

Turning LISTNOOK into FACEBOOK?? WTF for? :( Less anonymity sucks. The great thing about listnook is/was that you never know you might be having a conversation with a world-renowned neurosurgeon or a high school dropout billionaire or just some homeless guy at the library. Making users not-equal is shit.

SirSchnurrbart Mar 21, 2017 +72

I really don't care for this...as others have stated I like the relative anonymity of Listnook and would like to keep it that way. **EDIT:** I was thinking more generally that the platform of listnook would become less anonymous as a whole. I like that everyone is anonymous...no profiles, no "about me descriptions", no pictures...just a history of content.

haltingpoint Mar 21, 2017 +6

As one of many advertisers who was burned by FB pulling the biggest industry bait and switch in recent times when they throttled organic reach and forced brands to pay, why should we trust you won't do the same? Will you comment on your plans to monetize this? Specifically, I'm concerned about this scenario: 1. Encouraging people and brands to build up followers (whom they do not own the contact info for as it only lives in Listnook) 2. Showing them all the great organic engagement and conversions they are getting from the content the are publishing to Listnook 3. If/when they are as invested in it as a channel as people were FB, throttling their organic reach unless they pay on an auction-based model with dynamic pricing. Will you go on record to say you have no plans now or for the future to charge for reaching followers that users/brands have invested in building? It is a slap in the face to charge brands once for the follow and then again to actually communicate with their audience and highlights the very real risk of not owning ones own audience (which is what this seems to be moving towards).

spinsilo Mar 21, 2017 +8

Based on the replies to this post, it looks like Listnook is hellbent on bulldozing through this feature that no one wants. Listnook, you would do well to listen to the users on this. You have a very passionate user base, and you are about to give everyone the finger here. Nothing will be gained from this. No company is bigger than it's user base. We are here for the communities which are the backbone of Listnook. If you try to sway the balance in favour of brands and individuals, we will move on very quickly. Listnook is an extremely discerning community and a replacement will quickly be found. Our loyalty only goes so far. And if this becomes another ego driven user/brand orientated network, people won't stick around.

nothumbnails Mar 21, 2017 +663

Oh god no. Please no. I came here for the content, not to have the b****** child of twitter and facebook with a shitty layout looking back at me. These are forums 1st ='(

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Haber_Dasher Mar 21, 2017 +31

Part of the beauty of Listnook is that nobody is behind this username. There should be no reason for other users to visit each others pages unless to find something they posted. This is a move on the wrong direction, imo. The internet is full of a million different social networks and profiles, the last thing we need is Listnook to move in that direction too.

Zenai Mar 22, 2017 +14

I have never seen a comment thread on listnook so unanimous such as this one. That said, I totally agree with literally every other post here. Giving a place for companies to drive traffic to for their marketers instead of giving them incentive to actually participate in the community associated with their company (where the people are in control, and not the corporation) is just f****** bonkers.

kananjarrus Mar 21, 2017 +143

[So when do I start getting candy crush invites from all of my friends' grandmothers?](http://img.pandawhale.com/post-65677-obi-wan-kenobi-I-loved-you-gif-IawH.gif)

thaarn Mar 21, 2017 +8

This...is not a good idea. Listnook doesn't operate on the same model as Twitter or Facebook. Those are all about the individual, and said individuals usually say stuff from their profile. Listnook (at least before this) groups things by interest, not person. And both those models work fine, but there's a lot more of the former than the latter. Nobody needs another one. "Content Creators" can just make a sublistnook like anybody else, or post them on a more general sublistnook. That way the stuff they do will rise to the top because it's good, not because it's a certain person doing it. And as I said, it's not like specific sublistnooks aren't a thing. You say you don't want to give individual users too much power on Listnook. Then why do this? There is literally no upside to it whatsoever, aside from trying to push Listnook into a model that really doesn't fit it. Give content creators a voice? They already have one. What this is is just an unfair advantage. I really hope I'm just being excessively pessimistic about all this, but I doubt it.

phaser_on_overload Mar 21, 2017 +33

So you want listnook to be facebook now? You realize most of us are trying to get away from facebook right? Listnook isn't a social media site, besides a very, very few recognizable users the beauty of listnook is that no one knows who anyone else is when they are replying to a comment. That's what makes this work.

[deleted] Mar 21, 2017 +46

Bad update. Don't ruin this website by selling out to companies and making it another platform for them to sell their shit to us. Keep it like it is and never change.

golf4miami Mar 21, 2017 +22

The styling of this is just not right. If you want to be another Facebook or Twitter then you have done the right thing. But I don't think Listnook should be emulating those platforms. I stay off FB as much as possible because I don't want too much of my stuff shared on there. The anonymity here is another reason I like it here. I only have to share what I want to share. Making me post a profile picture and allowing ANYONE to follow me is a mistake.

I see from the alpha user profiles there are posts to their profile listed directly next to their posts in other sublistnooks. Everyone has been told time and time again that voting on stuff from a user's profile page is bad and will get your account suspended. Is there a change on the official stance for this now? When I view someone's profile page do I need to be careful to only vote on stuff submitted directly to their profile and not stuff submitted to sublistnooks?

[deleted] Mar 22, 2017 +8

Wow, I've scrolled through a *lot* of parent comments and, so far, I've yet to see a positive comment. As nobody else will see this due if being late, I guess this is aimed squarely at the admin that posted it. It's overwhelmingly clear that this is unwanted. How you proceed from here on out could very well decide if listnook lives or dies. You say you are taking feedback into account, we will soon see if that is true. If this idea goes ahead, it is clear that listnook is no longer for the users. It would be a shame if that happened but, to be honest, that's exactly what I'm expecting. I've had a good six year run here, I'd love to see another six but I don't see it happening. As one more voice in the crowd, please don't do this.

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psychyness Mar 22, 2017 +9

It's funny because Listnook doesn't actually care about our opinions on this matter. They've already decided to move this direction and the odds of them changing their minds at this point are slim to none. The only reason they are pitching the idea to us this way is to try and ease us into the drastic changes coming up. I was considering sticking around to see this play out but I already know how this ends. Just saying good bye to all you fellow listnookors. I'm going to try out a couple of these alternative sites or maybe even 4chan. It's been real. It's been fun. But it hasn't been real fun.

DocmanCC Mar 21, 2017 +9

Upvoting not because I support this but because it's important for everyone to see and have an opportunity to comment. My thought: listnook exists at the pleasure of its users. Revenue may be difficult to extract, but if users aren't here then advertisers aren't here. Cater to a tiny subset of potential revenue sources at the expense of community cohesion at your peril. Cater instead to your community-at-large and seize the opportunities that arise. I'm honestly getting tired of the admins apparent disdain for what listnook has become and their efforts to wrest control from it's userbase and steer us all in another direction. They need to come to terms with the fact that they're in a relationship with their community, and like any relationship it will work best if the partners communicate and work out their differences instead of one person trying to forcefully change the other.

narwhalsare_unicorns Mar 21, 2017 +311

LETS GET SOCIAAAAAL on a platform where content is the only thing that matters and people want to stay anonymous.

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Since when are sublistnooks called 'communities'? I smell marketing BS about "our visitors don't understand the word 'sublistnook'"...

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