Transgender darts player 'not done fighting' ban from women's events

The p**** knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.

Have you seen a public toilet before? A lot of guys can’t even hit inside a toilet. Maybe men are at a disadvantage?

Aerodynamics. It's ski jumping all over again...

Really good players actually use the p**** to throw the dart

wow that is a massive gap for the international scores, from your comment I thought it'd be like 5 pts max not 10ish.

Wouldn't this be because darts is more often a thing played by guys so the pool of candidates who get good is larger? That in itself more influenced by the fact that it's mostly played in bars/pubs that have a higher ratio of dudes that go there?

Edit: I apologize, I confused the posted article for an older thesis from the first author. The linked article looked at more people and was a more thought out study, but it still only looked at players from England, Wales, and Scotland. It acknowledged differences in findings compared to a similar study of Americans, which may indicate the results are more impacted by culture/social factors than biological.  The article also concludes that early childhood training may significantly impact adult performance, further supporting that social factors may have similar or greater impact than biological ones.  I still think 40 is a small sample because the question is to whether the difference is biological or not. Many social factors can't be accounted for in a study that spans only 40 people, I think all from one country (or three in the more recent study).   --------- Fwiw, this PhD thesis studied only 40 people and (I think, from a brief skim of the abstract) showed no meaningful difference between men and women when using their non-dominant hand. I think the results are just as likely (or more so) to be the result of social circumstances (significantly more men play darts than women) than biological potential. This would explain why the gap is narrowing at the top levels, not sure why that would happen biologically but it makes sense that more women are being allowed/encouraged to play.

I’m no sports psychologist, but I thought you’d be able to explain it through participation numbers alone. The ratio of male to female darts players must skew very very heavy to men (98:2 at a guess?) the male elites of those numbers are very likely to outperform the females.

It’s the same with pool.

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Do Trans female dart players outperform cis female players? The whole issue with the argument about trans athletes, in general, is that the anti-trans side takes for granted that trans women perform the same as men or similar to men, when there is no evidence for that.

I think at this point we're really stretching the limits of arguing that whatever physical differences there might be between a cis woman and a trans woman who have transitioned really matter, though. Like it's hard to argue it's going to be so massive that it's unfair.

They banned alcohol in darts because they wanted it to look professional instead of the fat guys who were slamming pints who won it before.

You hit on probably the best logical explanation. Arm length and throw force...

It's like with chess: women can participate in the main events if they manage to qualify, but since it's an extremely male-dominated sport there are separate events for exclusively women as well. For example, Fallon Sherrock, Beau Greaves, and Lisa Ashton have done quite alright in main events at times.

The men’s top leagues in many of the popular sports technically are open for women if they qualify. NBA, Premiere League and NHL at least. The wonen’s league is there more so to provide a platform for women wehere they too can thrive, not preventing them the attend the male league.

There's the unrestricted format and then there is the women only format. It's not separated by sex, one sex just gets a division to themselves due to a lack of representation in the unrestricted format. Imagine a basketball league for people under 6 feet tall. If you are under 6 feet you can still play in the NBA, but if you're not good enough you can play in the under 6 foot league.

Growing up is realizing that sometimes when things seem stupid, there’s a good reason, you’re just not thinking of it. Best to reserve judgement for when you have all the facts.

The segregation is often not done because of physical aspects, but skill level. Since male dominated groups tend to historically be unwelcoming to women, women's only leagues pop up as a way to promote the activity by removing the toxicity. Consider women's only book clubs, as an example.

Why? Women have their own divisions so they have the opportunity to succeed. Otherwise the best players would be all me. That’s not fair to women.

Lmfao no it isnt men have a physical advantage  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-68069-0#:~:text=A%20study%20found%20that%20males%20have%20a,behind%20target%20motion%20than%20male%20hand%20movements.

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Tbf a lot of spaces dominated by cis men are not exactly friendly to women of either the trans or cis variety.

Because women (including, or perhaps especially trans women) often find spaces dominated by men. This is the traditional argument for the gendered speration of eSports, Chess, and darts. Only somehow there's an advantage (that, according to the advocates of these bans, survives HRT!) when trans women do it now. 

A commissioned scientific report written by one of the founders of Sex Matters, an anti-trans hate group.

Is that like those studies that used to say smoking is good 4 u ?

Commissioned, you say?

So therefore there is no legitimate reason to ban trans women.

It's literally not, they have women's tournaments only because it's a male dominated sport and they do this to try and attract more women to the sport. Open tournaments allow anyone to play.

To encourage women to play without having to socialize with misogynistic men.

Next up on The Ocho: Barts!

Well have you seen many skinny male darts players?

Yep, get those Fox News viewers angry about sports they don’t care about, while the world burns around them. They are ok they won’t be able to afford to live in retirement and their children can’t afford housing, but they will be damed if a trans person plays in a darts tournament.

Sure, though in honesty I've just done a quick Google, I don't have them saved or anything! It got a lot of press around 2018-19 (I think?) owing to civilisation finally having an answer to why men can never find the keys. [Gender Difference in Hand-eye Coordination in Young Adults-A Cross-sectional Study](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367534097_Gender_Difference_in_Hand-eye_Coordination_in_Young_Adults-A_Cross-sectional_Study) [Sex differences in visuomotor tracking](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-68069-0?utm_source=chatgpt.com) [Gender Differences in Large-Scale and Small-Scale Spatial Ability: A Systematic Review Based on Behavioral and Neuroimaging Research](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6591491/)

Curling is different.