I personally never liked all of the "wife bad" and "the old ball and chain" stuff you would often see in old shows. The wife was constantly portrayed as a gossipy frivolous irrational nag that wastes all of the husband's hard-earned money on shopping sprees, and the hapless husbands just have to accept it because women amirite fellas. And the wife often didn't seem to really like the husband that much either, they'd argue constantly. But once divorce became socially acceptable and women were able to be financially independent, there was no reason for couples that don't like each other to stay together anymore, so this trope became a lot less common. It probably also helps that women started having more of a voice in writing rooms.
So what other tropes that used to be common are you glad are now mostly a thing of the past?
I’m tired of “dumb/fat/ugly husband and hot/bitchy wife” sitcom combos. They seem to be fading now of late but they were super popular for a time.
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KingoftheMongooseApr 12, 2026
+206
So King of Queens.
206
Monk-ishApr 12, 2026
+190
Still Standing, Honeymooners, Simpsons, Family Guy, According to Jim, Drew Carey Show
I think 3rd Rock from the Sun might have done it best because Sally was an alien and didn't realize that Wayne Knight's character was considered ugly
190
ChicVintageApr 12, 2026
+71
Marge wasn't bitchy.
71
vanspossumApr 12, 2026
+48
Marge is the epitome of misunderstood motherhood.
48
Powerful_Leg8519Apr 12, 2026
+8
Sally liked the uniform lol
8
craigs63Apr 12, 2026
+39
Who was the hot wife on Drew Carey? Mimi? The Scot?
39
Monk-ishApr 12, 2026
+38
Drew and Kate, though they weren't a conventional couple, had a long and complicated romantic relationship. They got engaged in season 6 though they broke it off after disagreeing about kids. They were briefly married at one point
38
AmeglianApr 12, 2026
+39
That and ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ are so depressing because of that. And the main and surrounding characters in both shows are constantly out to get each other/pull a fast one all of the time. I hate both shows.
39
bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+40
I find it unrealistic that every episode of Everybody Loves Raymond didn't end in murder suicide.
The only characters on that show that aren't horrible are the kids and that's because they barely exist.
40
justsomechickyoApr 12, 2026
+17
Yes true but I still like that show 🫣
17
ScryscaperApr 12, 2026
+165
Kevin Can F Himself is a brilliant deconstruction of this trope
165
mafa7Apr 12, 2026
+22
One of the best shows I’ve ever seen TBH.
22
mister-fergusonApr 12, 2026
+41
I am a Social Worker (among other things) and I could not watch more than the first two episodes. It was too accurate in depicting DV
41
Lushkush69Apr 12, 2026
+9
You should have kept going. It was such a great show.
9
mister-fergusonApr 12, 2026
+8
When I get home I don't want to relax by thinking about work
8
TheSilverNobleApr 12, 2026
+18
Really good show
18
Upbeat_Tension_8077Apr 12, 2026
+26
Even though it's not a sitcom, I think Orphan Black might've had a nice subversion of this trope through Donnie/Alison, especially since they eventually both went ride or die for each other & embraced the crazy shit they got into, once they realized the true nature of their relationship
26
-XanderCrews-Apr 12, 2026
+48
That’s why you watch American dad. Hot plus hot. It just makes sense.
48
fredagsfiskApr 12, 2026
+41
Plus more similar intelligence levels; while Stan is definitely more generally competent and Francine a ditzy type, she's also capable of mastering new skills and gaining new knowledge very quickly. They are both pretty lacking in common sense though.
Also, with Stan having received actual character development over the years (while many other husband characters are flanderized to hell), he has gone from being an extreme conservative Christian who couldn't talk about his feelings or do anything other than missionary with a handshake after, to being surprisingly emotionally and sexually open.
Thus they actually match each other's energy and freak... and even if we still get the occasional "Stan is a bad husband" storyline, they are portrayed as deeply in love and highly attracted to each other, rather than just tolerating each other.
41
LumencontegoApr 12, 2026
+9
But...I'm homegirl....
9
its_justmeApr 12, 2026
+6
They’re also cartoons so they rise and lower in competence based on the story arc of the episode
6
ladyterukiApr 12, 2026
+21
It's no accident that these were usually vehicles built around a male comedian.
21
Garlic-Cheese-ChipsApr 12, 2026
+16
That has moved from sitcoms to adverts.
16
AmeglianApr 12, 2026
+13
Yep, useless Dad can’t make dinner or use the washing machine - and Mum has to sort it out, while gently rolling her eyes as the kids laugh at silly old Dad.
13
beamdriverApr 12, 2026
+8
Modern commercials have moved away from that somewhat. I've noted plenty of commercials that have the Dad be competent at household chores.
8
paperconservation101Apr 12, 2026
+17
Kevin can f*** himself is a wonderful deconstruction of that trope.
17
RkramdenApr 12, 2026
+12
I can't think of a sitcom where the parents are on equal footing. It's either your example or ditzy wife with grounded husband.
The closest I can think of both parents being on equal footing is when both parents are dumb and the kids are smarter.
I guess what im saying is, someone needs to be the comic foil, and it's hard to fill that role without having someone bumble their way into situations. The sit in sitcom needs someone dumb, basically.
12
[deleted]Apr 12, 2026
+32
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vanspossumApr 12, 2026
+30
The Fresh Prince of Bel Air
30
BadMeetsEvil24Apr 12, 2026
+8
I wished Aunt Viv and Uncle Phil were my parents.
8
kiwispouseApr 13, 2026
+4
Those were 80s shows. The 90s brought the hapless husband trope mainstream. It was frustrating to watch.
4
bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+27
The parents in Raising Hope are equals. They are dumb but so is their son Jimmy.
In Bob Burger Linda is more eccentric then Bob but it's established she is the reason the restaurant is still open due to handling the business side.
27
ticket2winApr 12, 2026
+9
Malcolm in the middle was mostly parents vs kids. The parents were always portrayed to still be madly in love.
9
planeloiseApr 12, 2026
+673
Introducing a brand new black or POC character so that the only black main cast member can have someone to date in an all white show
673
fredagsfiskApr 12, 2026
+317
Also the fact that the "one POC character" thing is so deeply ingrained...
When Coach returned on New Girl and they had two black characters, Lamorne Morris and Damon Wayans Jr were asked by journalists which one of them would be on the show going forward; if Coach was just there temporarily, or if Winston was leaving now that they had Coach again.
317
WhoaMimiApr 12, 2026
+176
We casually watched The Walking Dead for a few years. I vaguely recall a Black male character joining the main group and the original Black male character dying in the same episode. One in, one out, I guess.
176
Double-Ad-7483Apr 12, 2026
+30
I do think that was them trying to get back on the rails in terms of the comic. T-dog was clearly intended to be Tyreece, but he **wasn't** Tyreece. So while heavy handed, they found a way to fix that glitch.
30
KassellTheArgonianApr 12, 2026
+68
T-dog died but Tyreece didn't join until episodes later
68
TheSilverNobleApr 12, 2026
+39
I think you're forgetting to the random guy they saved from the prison who died an episode later.
39
sumofawitchApr 12, 2026
+15
Isn't it that kid from everybody hates Chris they rescued from the hospital?
Tyrese die. He gets in. While he's in Alexandria he starts learning stuff about engineering like to keep the community running what's an excellent way of showing progress. Same episode he die.
Really frustrating.
15
Astrosaurus42Apr 12, 2026
+7
Chris does die, but I think he is talking about Bob? He was eaten by the cannibal people from Terminus.
I don't think The Walking Dead is a good example because the first few seasons take place in Georgia and there are plenty of black people in the group at various times. T Dawg was first, but after he died the group gained Tyreece, Bob, Gabriel, Chris and a few other red shirts.
EDIT: And I completely forgot to mention Morgan.
7
Maleficent_Phase_698Apr 12, 2026
+23
They don’t know how to write dialogue for black (or gay) characters so they kill the off.
One of the most recent Texas chainsaw movies killed off their black character super early (he was annoying but….they wrote him that way) and didn’t start killing white characters until a little later in the movie. I was totally in shock that Hollywood was still doing this and so blatantly.
Get black writers and you won’t have this problem….
23
JamesMagnusApr 12, 2026
+16
This is also why it’s easy to stick to one black character for these writers, the moment you have two on screen at the same time you need to write authentic interactions between them. If the black character is only ever around white people, then they can just write about those interactions instead and that’s something they’ll actually know from experience more often. So yeah, more black writers please.
16
DrGlennWellnessMDApr 12, 2026
+11
If we hadn't had them both, we would've never gotten the I AM FRANK SKABOPOLIS scene.
I hope the "one black person at a time on a show" thing is dead and gone.
11
QuyustApr 12, 2026
+112
I once saw a video of Stephanie Beatriz talking about the audition process for Brooklyn 99. When she heard that Melissa Fumero was cast, she said she was happy for Fumero and that she cried because she was certain that she had lost the part. Because what mainstream show casts two Latina women?
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Soft_Interaction_437Apr 12, 2026
+31
[Laura Harrier said something similar about when she learned Zendaya was cast in Spider-Man Homecoming.](https://www.justjared.com/2020/06/01/laura-harrier-originally-thought-zendaya-got-her-spider-man-role-praises-marvel-for-hiring-two-black-actresses-as-leads/)
31
TheLateThagSimmonsApr 12, 2026
+191
This is one of the reasons I love *Brooklyn 99* so much.
There are even plenty of interviews with Stephanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumero where they found out that Melissa had been cast and sadly assumed that Stephanie would be out because there's no way they'd have *two* Hispanic women.
But they cast them both as wildly different characters. Their dynamic is so good together.
Same thing for casting Terry Crews as Sgt. Jeffords and Andre Braugher (RIP) as Cpt. Holt. Two black men on the same show; one is an overly positive straight guy and the other is a no nonsense gay man.
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Faithless195Apr 13, 2026
+19
> Two black men on the same show; one is an overly positive straight guy and the other is a no nonsense gay man.
"Are you really playing the gay card right now?!"
*in complete dead pan voice with zero facial movements* "yass queen."
I f****** loved their scenes together.
19
BigL90Apr 12, 2026
+34
It especially weirds me out when shows set in NYC are so overwhelmingly white. I'm from a part of the country that isn't particularly diverse (MN), even in the major metropolitan area. When I met folks in college from NYC (and a few other major metropolitan areas), they often commented on how white and segregated things felt in our metro. I thought they were exaggerating. Given that I'd traveled a fair bit at that point, including quite a few major cities, I could definitely acknowledge that the Twin Cities area definitely wasn't as diverse as plenty of the other big cities, but it didn't feel *that* different.
I grew up in a pretty rural area that was probably 80%+ white, with the majority of that remaining ~20% being Hispanic, with a small number of Asian families, and maybe a handful of black families. Definitely not a diverse area. However, my parents both worked at colleges, and I spent a lot of time on both campuses, so I didn't feel like I grew up in as much of a monochromatic bubble as most of my peers.
I moved to Minneapolis after college, and have mostly lived in some of the more diverse neighborhoods. So, I definitely felt like those folks back in college were exaggerating a bit.
Then a few years back, I went to NYC and was like "oh, I get it now". It was just a completely different level of diversity, and not just based on race. So many different cultures, nationalities, and spoken languages. It was just awesome. NYC is a little busy for my taste. Not sure if I'd ever want to live there on an indeterminate basis. But damn if I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to live and work there on a like 1 or 2yr contract (and make a similar amount of money with regards to CoL). It really did feel like a completely different living experience compared to any other city I've lived in or visited.
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thatshygirl06Apr 12, 2026
+14
This is how I feel when movies and shows are set in detroit. Majority of the characters are white with a few black people and no middle eastern people at all which is just not how detroit is irl. It annoys me so much because if you do the slightest bit of research then you'll see the detroit/Michigan has a very large middle eastern population so leaving them out of detroit stories just feels wrong.
14
Virtual-Nose7777Apr 12, 2026
+17
Still used today. See Shrinking.
17
hitflyApr 12, 2026
+6
At least they didn't put Gaby together with Sean
6
mafa7Apr 12, 2026
+189
Virginity. I don’t think I’ve seen many plots dedicated to a girl’s “virgin” status.
189
FreyziApr 12, 2026
+126
And on the other end, storylines of teenage boys who are like 13-15 and obsessed with losing their virginities, usually to adult women. I swear that only died out starting with the 2010's.
126
xdesm0Apr 12, 2026
+38
that reminds me riverdale had a weird subplot where everyone is trying to solve a crime and archie is being groomed by his teacher and somehow the show made her look cool and edgy and she only skipped town.
38
Soft_Interaction_437Apr 12, 2026
+23
She got murdered in the second season. So that’s something, at least.
23
meatball77Apr 12, 2026
+6
Yeah, lets go with the teen girl has a relationship with a grownass adult and everyone acts like it's normal that she's dating someone with a mortgage.
6
mafa7Apr 12, 2026
+17
Whole damn summer dedicated to getting laid!
17
mjzim9022Apr 12, 2026
+19
Pacts were made with their bros, like really? Maybe I'm just too gay but I can't imagine that happening in real life
19
BadMeetsEvil24Apr 12, 2026
+16
I grew up in the 90s and finished highschool mid 2000s.
There definitely was no pact. You were f****** on your own lmao.
16
JohnCavil01Apr 12, 2026
+19
I would imagine that’s at least in part owed to male virginity typically being a plot point more often than female virginity. For quite some time, as in several decades, male virginity has been a humor trope whereas female virginity is typically seen as something pretty creepy to dwell on.
19
bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+24
Hocus Pocus having a little girl lamenting the fact her teenage brother is a virgin is awkward.
24
Kgb725Apr 12, 2026
+2
It comes up in teen dramas
2
Proud-Citron-4810Apr 12, 2026
+509
the whole "nerdy girl takes off glasses and suddenly she's gorgeous" thing was so annoying. like wow, apparently all it takes is removing your eyewear and letting down your hair to become homecoming queen. glad we moved past that nonsense since it basically told every girl with glasses they were automatically less attractive.
also tired of how every "smart" character had to be this awkward socially incompetent mess who couldn't function in normal situations. you can be intelligent and still know how to have a conversation without sounding like a robot.
509
FelicfelicApr 12, 2026
+49
For the second bit, I really liked booksmarts take on it, where the main characters (who are your classic socially awkward geeky teens) thought the popular/more social people couldn't be smart or do well, but then found out that they also got into ivy league schools
49
ColorMeStunnedApr 13, 2026
+3
Booksmart was such a fantastic film. It did a great job of giving us realistic-ish teenage girls, who you root for the whole film, while also gently showing us how insanely self absorbed and narrow their world was.
3
CrimkamApr 12, 2026
+228
Don't forget changing out of your paint covered overalls!
228
quarterpastfourApr 12, 2026
+122
I always hated the lazy 'Motorcyclist takes off helmet - Surprise! It's a WOMAN' trope. Like the idea of a woman on a motorbike was supposed to be unusual. It got to the point where, if you saw a motorcyclist on TV start to take off their helmet, it was a surprise if the next move WASN'T 'Tosses head to reveal long, flowing blonde hair'
122
cuzwhatApr 12, 2026
+35
And the inverse, the tight leather pants and flowing hair actually belong to a man!
Ha ha, now you’re gay!
35
KathrynlenaApr 12, 2026
+75
And straightening your hair! I’ll never forgive Princess Diaries for the message it sent to curly girls.
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neo_sporinApr 12, 2026
+31
It was the big vibrator that turned it around for me
31
wwjApr 13, 2026
+6
Janey's got a gun!
6
Not_CleaverApr 12, 2026
+74
Arrested Development deconstructing this joke was so good. And they did that over twenty years ago.
74
two_oh_sevenApr 12, 2026
+75
Glasses on, hair down
75
byebybuyApr 12, 2026
+33
Have we done up/off?
33
angersharkApr 12, 2026
+20
Judy Greer's eyes when the glasses come off lol
20
res30stupidApr 12, 2026
+37
Same on That's So Raven when she does it to a random older woman... who immediately gets into an accident since her glasses were prescription.
37
Upbeat_Tension_8077Apr 12, 2026
+16
For the smart character trope, especially in action/thriller-leaning shows, it also drove me crazy that the usual sign of that was them being able to "hack" into computer systems (basically button mashing a keyboard & random codes coming on the screen)
16
Underwater_KarmaApr 12, 2026
+25
That was exactly why i couldn't stand The Big Bang Theory.
A friend described it to me as a show about "what dumb people think Smart people are like", and i was never able to unsee that premise.
Every intelligent person on the store was presented as socially inept and childish. The entire show was nerd bullying, and ridiculing autistic people.
25
adamdoesmusicApr 12, 2026
+12
As I’ve said before - I hated BBT for its autistic stereotypes.
Then I watched a bit of The Good Doctor.
Suddenly big bang theory is fine.
12
DaoFerretApr 12, 2026
+6
The glasses thing goes back to Dorothy Parker in the (19)20s: https://wordhistories.net/2020/03/18/girls-who-wear-glasses/
Somehow I think that got convoluted over time as a way of hiding a character on screen and then “revealing” them, which got mixed into transforming them from “ugly” to “pretty”, probably combined with people misinterpreting the meaning of the original phrase, which survived into common culture into the 1980s/1990s.
6
MeatTornado25Apr 12, 2026
+6
I might be off on this, but I associate the nerdy girl one with movies much more than TV.
6
Jackbuddy78Apr 12, 2026
+37
>also tired of how every "smart" character had to be this awkward socially incompetent mess who couldn't function in normal situations.
It's just using "smart" as a placeholder for autistic without seeming too mean.
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PloddericApr 12, 2026
+11
That second part- you’re forever getting Benedict Cumberbatch playing smart jerks. Even in the Imitation Game, which does Alan Turing dirty, because he was by all accounts charming. It seems that studios thought audiences wouldn’t get that a clever person could also be socially just fine.
11
curious_deadApr 12, 2026
+4
Also, I like girls with glasses. I don't remember where, but I know I saw this trope a few times and immediately thought that it was a downgrade.
4
SnowyMoleApr 12, 2026
+34
Until yesterday, I would have said the incompetent dad. But then at the mario movie with the kids yesterday, there was a trailer for an incompetent dad movie, so that's obviously still alive and kicking.
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MudIslandApr 12, 2026
+17
It is so awful: “Me bumbling dad. You business woman supermom”. I can’t believe Bargatze made that movie.
17
gregplaysdrumsApr 13, 2026
+3
It’s so disappointing. I love his standup, but the movie looks awful and dated.
3
4036Apr 12, 2026
+3
This is why my dad hated Family Ties. He thought the dad was such a dipshit and couldn't stand watching it.
3
BattleAnusApr 13, 2026
+4
I know exactly what trailer you mean, and I had the same reaction. Although the funny thing is that sheep murder-mystery movie trailer played right after, and it was like the opposite feeling of "wow, this seems like a 90s-2000s straight-to-DVD movie, but it actually looks fun"
4
Morgan-MoonscarApr 12, 2026
+194
Honestly... CLIP SHOWS.
Most of the time they're c*** (especially for how unnecessary they became in the age of being able to binge/stream shows), but only occasionally they find inventive ways to utilize them.
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omarsdroogApr 12, 2026
+44
Clerks the Animated Series did a clip show as the second episode.
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bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+18
The network liked it so much that it was the first episode they aired
18
Mookie1515Apr 12, 2026
+10
Ruining the joke that it was meant to be episode two and nothing but clips of episode one!
10
bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+8
I think it made the joke better because the entire episode is even more unhinged.
8
CapitalParallaxApr 12, 2026
+90
Community did this the best.
90
AporiaParadoxApr 12, 2026
+71
What's funny is that clip shows are usually made to save money. Community's "clip show" actually cost MORE money because instead of reusing old footage, they shot a bunch of completely new scenes at different locations.
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Mr_YUPApr 12, 2026
+10
A lot of cartoons did that. All their clips episodes as new stuff and I thought I’d missed episodes as a kid not realizing what the trope was.
10
ominousgraycatApr 12, 2026
+22
I remember the first time I watched the first clip show episode that and wondered how I'd missed so many episodes when I thought I'd seen them all up to that point. Then slowly began to realize that the clips never actually happened during the previous episodes. I honestly kind of loved that most of their most memorable moments weren't even on screen.
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knightress_oxhideApr 12, 2026
+7
IASIP did a great example of this too
7
CapitalParallaxApr 12, 2026
+8
Yes!
My legs have always been this long. It's a burden being tall. 🤣
8
ominousgraycatApr 12, 2026
+10
Yeah, when I was a kid in the 90s and early 00s, I kind of liked clip shows, but back then it had probably been a while since I'd seen most of the episodes they were clipping. In the age of streaming, they're just annoying.
10
blueconlanApr 12, 2026
+9
Stargate sg1 did a clip show in later years(Citizen Joe) that actually had a nice story that made sense in universe why the clips were shown. Probably my favourite clip show as most suck.
9
kxjiruApr 12, 2026
+6
My favorite Stargate clip show is Disclosure. Especially the ending.
6
BestAtTeamworkManApr 12, 2026
+16
Community for the win!
16
bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+9
The Simpsons had a neat one where the non clip parts still used old animation with different dialogue
9
its_justmeApr 12, 2026
+6
They'll Never Stop The Simpsons!
Have no fears, we've got stories for years, like
Marge becomes a robot,
Maybe Moe gets a cell phone, has Bart ever owned a bear?
Or, how 'bout a crazy wedding?
Where something happens and doo doo doo doo doo…
Sorry for the clip show.
Have no fears, we've got stories for years!
6
MyNameIsNotGumpApr 12, 2026
+5
I remember watching Family Ties reruns on Nick-at-Nite and every other episode of the last season or two seemed to be clip shows
5
spelldonvalentineApr 12, 2026
+466
The disgusting pervert character. You know the one. He’s a perv that is always trying to f*** the female characters, always makes crude comments, basically a walking sexual harassment case. Think Quagmire, Barney Stinson, etc.
466
GeriatricGamete67Apr 12, 2026
+113
"When do I get a spinoff?"
"Quagmire, you're a rapist."
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fredagsfiskApr 12, 2026
+100
Barney was so cartoonishly over-the-top about it that people made up fan theories about Ted making things up and exaggerating to make his kids like Uncle Barney less and be more okay with their dad getting together with Aunt Robin again.
The spinoff pretty much confirms Ted was telling the truth (or close enough) though.
100
f-ingsteveglansbergApr 12, 2026
+20
I really think when the show started the idea was that Barney was a bullshitter. If you watch the early episodes, he seems to be all talk but no game. I guess people liked that so they made him an actual fuckboy rather than a wannabe.
20
darknivenApr 12, 2026
+139
Howard Wolowitz was such a sex creep
139
Mysterious_Agent6706Apr 12, 2026
+82
One thing I give that show SLIGHT credit for is that Howard later says he's disgusted by his actions and he is genuinely remorseful about it, not many shows acknowledge it.
82
TurnOfFraiseApr 12, 2026
+64
So was Raj though. They were so gross together
64
joelene1892Apr 12, 2026
+35
Raj looked like a sweet nice man and then he got drunk or let his guard down and it was like “wtf man?”
35
AporiaParadoxApr 12, 2026
+160
They're even worse in Anime. Master Roshi from Dragon Ball is probably one of the worst examples.
160
Kenny_log_n_sApr 12, 2026
+71
Sanji in One Piece is still this kind of character, and I think it's gotten worse over time.
He went from being a relatively interesting character on par with Zoro, to being just a perv.
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AporiaParadoxApr 12, 2026
+79
I'm glad that the live-action removed most of the pervy jokes. He's still a flirt, but a proper gentleman about it instead of being a weirdo.
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SkellyJelly33Apr 12, 2026
+28
Live action Sanji is my favorite crew member. Anime Sanji is basically Pepé Le Pew but somehow even hornier
28
TwistOfFate619Apr 12, 2026
+13
Absolutely. So glad they've toned it down thus far, given how much it was dialed up post timeskip
13
AporiaParadoxApr 12, 2026
+39
He literally almost f****** died of blood loss because he got a massive nosebleed from being too horny about mermaids. On that note, I never particularly liked the unique Japanese trope of nosebleed=boner.
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SilverCarbonApr 12, 2026
+9
There are certainly a few situations depicted in manga that are considered inappropriate outside of Japan. Let's be glad that the creator of One Piece gave his go-ahead for a milder Sanji.
I do wonder if he got the idea himself, probably other members of the production crew found it a bit odd.
9
elbenjiApr 12, 2026
+10
iirc the nosebleed boner thing is because of an old superstition, i.e the bloods gotta go somewhere
10
Mandalore108Apr 12, 2026
+8
They changed Sanji in the live action and he is a much better character for it.
8
TwistOfFate619Apr 12, 2026
+12
Def made it harder to appreciate his character. Him having some self-control and having a personality pre-timeskip where he could have more nuanced talks and roles to play was something I appreciated, but the fact that it was not only made an even bigger gag, but that also it often ties more and more into the plot (beyond chivarly aspects) is easily one of my least favourite 'changes' post time skip. Really takes away from him and his contributions IMO
12
Bored_WorldhopperApr 12, 2026
+12
I couldn’t get through Fishman Island because of it. The whole nosebleed thing actually becoming a plot point “he’s lost too much blood!” I just couldn’t do it
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sinZeroplusApr 12, 2026
+8
Eh I think the Sanji stuff is way over blown imo. He’s never groped or touched anyone inappropriately. He’s just a simp. Then he got really horny after not seeing women for 2 years.
The thriller bark moment wasn’t great and could have been better, but people act like he’s the grandpa from ranma.
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res30stupidApr 12, 2026
+25
Minoru Mineta in My Hero Academia as well, with most of the Western fandom hating his guts due to his perving on the girls around him. It got to the point where Mina Ashido (a classmate who can secrete various chemicals as sweat) went full A Clockwork Orange on his ass.
There's a reason a lot of fanfics of the series expressly use the plot device of "Mineta gets expelled for being a creep so another character can take his place in 1-A", usually Shinso. >!Ironically, while Shinso does get into 1-A at the end, it's not Mineta who leaves the class to make way for him.!<
Also, TikTok comedian Matt_The_Curtin takes the idea of Mineta getting beaten the f*** up whenever he pervs and uses it as a recurring joke. [Like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc6zfpECa-k)
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StasRuttApr 12, 2026
+44
I feel like everyone got it out of their system with Barney Stinson because I stopped seeing it as much when How I Met your mother ended
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its_justmeApr 12, 2026
+54
A womanizer being played by a dude who is as gay as the day is long seemed to have softened the blow at the time.
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Infamous-Mixture-605Apr 12, 2026
+6
Merv the Perv.
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stacecomApr 12, 2026
+6
Dan Fielding.
Doc on The Love Boat.
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cloistered_aroundApr 12, 2026
+11
As much as I like Buffy as a show I despise every second Xander is on screen. *Every single second* why would anyone in that friend group even talk to him much less hang out every day?
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happylemon06Apr 12, 2026
+149
Teacher/student relationships or really and adult/child relationship.
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bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+35
I recently saw a panel from an old Fantastic Four comic where the narration describes Sue meeting the love of her life. Reed Richards is a college student and she is 12. It even showed a doll.on the floor. It was really weird.
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AporiaParadoxApr 12, 2026
+15
Yeah, there's a reason later comics explicitly retconned that and instead made it so that Reed and Sue were a lot closer in age when they first met.
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SuspiciouslySuspect2Apr 12, 2026
+27
Yeah, it went from "oh those silly rascals" to "straight to jail, right now". Though weird ones still come out occasionally, like "A Teacher", which spent the first 5 episodes glorifying that behaviour, only to try to turn around in the last episode and say "it was wrong all along guys".
Being wrong is right, but it feels like the earlier episodes completely undermine the point. I'm not skilled enough at media dissection to properly express the *why*, but there was a definite lack of balance to the narrative IMO.
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meatball77Apr 12, 2026
+6
There used to be one in every teen show. And no one even thinks it's weird. Even shows like Degrassi which were about teaching kids about how to navigate the world had them.
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AporiaParadoxApr 12, 2026
+17
Yeah, large age gap romances are becoming far less common because they're increasingly frowned upon even if they're both of legal age.
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Inevitable_Owl3170Apr 12, 2026
+90
I never liked the one where the main child character’s friend is “annoying” and the adults are mean about it. Specifically I’m thinking about Kimmy from “Full House,” or Steve Urkel from “Family Ties.” It always upset me as a kid, watching.
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MyNameIsNotGumpApr 12, 2026
+34
Did you mean to say Steve Urkel from Family Matters? Skippy was the nerdy friend on Family Ties
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stacecomApr 12, 2026
+5
Family Matters.
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FamousPoetApr 12, 2026
+10
It still happens. Just look at the way Jimmy treats Alice's friend in *Shrinking*.
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mjzim9022Apr 12, 2026
+15
It's because that actually happens in real life, some kids are annoying as f*** and glom onto you. It's part of your own kids maturing and making friends and also because other families can operate really differently and so other people's kids can really f*** up your normal household vibe.
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Underwater_KarmaApr 12, 2026
+53
Historically Hollywood was extremely bad at portraying "unattractive" female characters. Ugly male character... They get an ugly male actor. Female character that's supposed to be unattractive, they get a conventionally attractive actress and put her in glasses and braces, then *wink, wink* she's "ugly"
British TV is wildly different. Their shows get packed with normal looking people, sometimes outright unattractive, and even handicapped actors where the handicap isn't a major plot point.
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Yellowbug2001Apr 12, 2026
+17
My husband and i watch a lot of BBC shows and now when I watch American shows all i notice is how weirdly hot everyone is. *Everyone,* often including the extras. Like they're nice to look at but it really takes you out of the moment, dramatically. And on the flip side when an actual "hollywood 10" shows up on a BBC show damn do you notice. Sometimes that's distracting too, if they aren't supposed to be playing a character who is freakishly hot. It's happened a couple of times on "Midsommar Murders" and it's always unintentionally funny, Henry Cavill or whoever walks in and everyone just says "oh hi again, Vicar" or whatever, when clearly in real life their jaws would all hit the floor and all the women would be nudging each other erupt into giggles the second he walks out the door.
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wwjApr 13, 2026
+9
I was an extra in a B movie and I found out that almost every extra (including the men) was from a modeling agency except for me.
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Hark-It-Is-IApr 12, 2026
+84
I hate the will-they-won’t-they trope when it’s dragged out for no reason because the writers don’t have faith in a couple being actually together. Absolutely plagued shows back in the day, and all the relationships were so toxic. Nowadays shows have become far more comfortable just having a couple stay together
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f-ingsteveglansbergApr 12, 2026
+23
I don't mind the will they won't they dynamics. But I hate when the couple finally does get together, the writers need to break them up again just to return to the original dynamic.
It's usually so sloppy. The Nick and Jess break up was so forced. Friends "We were on a break" was okay but it's mostly just annoying. Scrubs couldn't do it right and neither could How I Met Your Mother.
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meatball77Apr 12, 2026
+5
Bones has entered the chat.
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FaebitApr 12, 2026
+13
I also hate this. I hate it in books as well. Its not an interesting enough premise to drag out for so long.
A little bit is fine, it adds tension, but if it goes in too long because the writers dont have any other ideas to make the show interesting, hire new writers.
"Jack and Diane spend 3 seasons deciding if they want to be a couple" is not a show I want to watch.
I'll add an honorable mention to tedious love triangles, which often suffer from the same problem.
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AWorldwithoutSinApr 12, 2026
+170
I'd like to see the "wife hot/husband dumb" trope go the way "wife bad/old ball and chain" did.
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HotSauceRainfallApr 12, 2026
+26
The Old Ball And Chain has ascended into the realm of myth and legend, because of Morticia and Gomez.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n_1ltRs1M8c&list=RDn_1ltRs1M8c&start_radio=1&pp=ygUdR29tZXogbW9ydGljdWEgYmFsbCBhbmQgY2hhaW6gBwE%3D&ra=m
May that kind of love always find people and make them happy.
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RedPanda59Apr 12, 2026
+36
The one on TV where a teenage daughter turns 18, & they marry her off. Sometimes they didn’t even wait that long. Nowadays, young women commonly go to college, get jobs, have lives, and shows better reflect this.
I’m a late Boomer and thinking of sitcoms from the 70s and 80s that were otherwise often good. Examples: The daughters in the original “One Day at a Time,” the daughter in “Phyllis” (a Mary Tyler Moore spinoff), one of the daughters in “Gimme a Break,” etc. Heck, they even married off Julia right after high school in “Party of Five,” which didn’t end until the 2000s.
Also, on the very popular soap opera “General Hospital,” they married off Laura when she was 17.
This drove me crazy because I was a young woman then myself. I didn’t like the portrayal that marriage was all we wanted to do, or that was all the writers could think of to create drama.
Who has other examples?
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Hot_Aside_4637Apr 12, 2026
+11
On GH, I think Laura marry her rapist was more problematic.
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No_Protection_7253Apr 12, 2026
+10
Lane in Gilmore Girls got married pretty much right out of high school just so she and her idiot bf could have sex. And then she hates it and gets preggo with twins immediately. I hated her whole story line honestly.
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Zam548Apr 12, 2026
+82
A big one for me is that scripts have largely stopped having female characters dislike each other for no other reason than they are the only two female characters we see. A good recent example is Sinners. I was so ready for Annie and Mary to hate each other/be presented as rivals for no particular reason. Same thing with Lois Lane and Cat Grant in the recent Superman. Its a side effect of usually male writers only really being able to write women through the lens of how the male characters perceive them, which boxes female characters into being in competition for approval, success, and attention. I think as we see writers trying to put more depth into their female supporting characters we are gonna see the trope less and less
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CloudinterpreterApr 12, 2026
+26
I started watching Dawson's Creek from the beginning, and the whole Joey hating Jen thing was so weird
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mirrorspiritApr 13, 2026
+6
I can understand the rivalries as long as it's not over a guy. Like Claire and Allison from The Breakfast Club, who distrust each other because they're from two different cliques with different worldviews, but they don't hate each other and they definitely were not fighting over the same guy.
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Sparrowsabre7Apr 12, 2026
+111
You call your wife a ball and chain because you see her as the dead weight around your ankle. I call my wife a ball and chain because she is the weapon which destroys our enemies. We are not the same.
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HeavenspactApr 12, 2026
+26
The trope that everyone, other than the woman, in the family home is a f****** moron when it comes to household chores
https://youtu.be/ZQlGU6bTeLo?si=8HtVyXXvSVvWQb2H
Had a teacher in elementary that came in livid one day by this commercial, saying how insanely sexist the commercial is towards women, trying to download her ideals onto children as she stood there ranting
Not once mentioning how the commercial depicts everyone else in the family
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jpcardierApr 12, 2026
+14
When it comes to chores, the most accurate and funny version is the dad on Malcolm in the Middle, a show I never watched. I saw that clip and said yes, that's is complete truth.
https://youtu.be/5W4NFcamRhM?si=hAJfZU9clmIPa7he
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cloistered_aroundApr 12, 2026
+8
I do think he has ADHD. You know how many times I have to ask my ADHD kid to even get a single bowl in the dishwasher? Two (on an extremely lucky day), usually three minumum. Sometimes five separate times. A day. For one dish.
Multiply that by anything their brain doesn't care about (finish your vegetables, do your chores, etc) and the entire day becomes "nagging" just to get basic shit done. Love my kiddos, of course, but honestly sometimes I dream about living with someone who not only hears what I say but also can act with no reminders. ...What would that heaven be like?!
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HeavenspactApr 12, 2026
+6
I dont even need to click the link to know what clip youre talking about
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TheDungenApr 12, 2026
+37
I think mystical pregnancy is becomming less prevalent though I'd love for it to go away entirely.
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Morgan-MoonscarApr 12, 2026
+23
We can't even afford kids in normal conditions, we don't need some mystcial mumbo jumbo knocking up women.
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zedascouves1985Apr 12, 2026
+12
I think this was done mostly to accommodate pregnant actresses.
Main actress gets pregnant. Writer puts in a magical pregnancy in fantasy show ( Xena, Angel). In Angel's case the writer also fired the actress later because he held a grudge over that.
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PunyParker826Apr 12, 2026
+4
What’s a mystical pregnancy?
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TheDungenApr 12, 2026
+19
[Mystical pregnancy](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MysticalPregnancy)
At the heart of it is that most writers are men and the idea of pegnancy is fairly mystical to them at a basic level hence why we get the mystical pregnancy trope. It can come in diffeent versions, a common one is an episode on off where a female character gets impregnated, usually gaainst her will by some sort of mystical entity and then either gives birth to a child and the prganancy and the child is just there for a single epsode, or there's some other supernatural thing about it.
But it can also be a arc thign, Stargate Atlantis seriously jumps the sharkl with Teyla's pregnancy in later seasons. "Oh this baby is the key to everything", Dude just let the character go on maternity leave and the acrress step down from main to regular while she's pregnant. Seriosuly at this point someone having a kid and it being treated as something normal is the rebel meme.
Seriosuly most pregnancy tropes are deeply problematic. The "woman goes into labour at the wrong time" trope for an example. Can we for once have a woman who has her child without squeezing the absolutly most amount of drama out of it?
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ThroatSecretaryApr 12, 2026
+13
Woman goes into labor during a blackout, hurricane, blizzard, hostsge-taking, in a stuck elevator....
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nernst79Apr 12, 2026
+115
I'm proud of the generations younger than mine(Gen X) for overwhelmingly crying foul at all of the Boomer 'wife bad' jokes and effectively eradicating them from the public zeitgeist.
Comedy is my favorite genre, in general, and I think that removing stuff like this has made space for positive humor, such as Shrinking, Modern Family, etc.
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Jackbuddy78Apr 12, 2026
+28
Where the laugh track when my grandpa told my grandma to shut up or complained about dinner?
I was a promised a laugh track and all I got was awkwardness.
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Upbeat_Tension_8077Apr 12, 2026
+15
Even for a show as crude as The Righteous Gemstones, I like how it flips that by showing that Aimee Leigh was really the foundation of the Gemstone family (& one who kept Eli in check at times)
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Reptilian_Overlord20Apr 12, 2026
+52
The woman being both needlessly sexualized and sidelined in action ensemble stories so the dudes could look cooler. I’m glad that trope is dying.
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CakebeforedeathApr 12, 2026
+6
Watching any TV from the 90s and "oh no someone thinks the two male friends are a couple" storyline was surprisingly common.
As much as lots of things have got worse in the 30 years since, I feel like now it would just be "no we're not"
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OptimismByFireApr 12, 2026
+39
Sexual assault and r*** as a plot device.
We still see it, but it's much less prevalent. It's so f****** lazy, and is often a weird voyeuristic thing. Ew.
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littlemonsterloveApr 12, 2026
+23
I’ll add onto this with “was it actually r*** or…..” Seen that too many times and you’re right it’s lazy and awful.
I’m watching ER for the first time and one of the characters is wasted. Her boss drives her to his home instead of to her home. She wakes up the next day and doesn’t know where she is and doesn’t remember anything. She blames herself. The show and all the characters treat it as she cheated. She’s also an alcoholic so it has layers of “you see what happens when you relapse.”
All this due to the actor who played her husband not having a season contract.
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sumofawitchApr 12, 2026
+11
Or a funny thing, mostly when the victim is a man. Because you know, it's so funny a man "being made the woman. "
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meatball77Apr 12, 2026
+6
Waking up in bed and not being sure if you've had sex or not. Yeah, that's not a funny joke. That's terrifying.
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thatshygirl06Apr 12, 2026
+4
Somewhere in the world Diana Gabolden felt a shiver down her spine
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not-your-mom-123Apr 12, 2026
+17
Insanely expensive and complex medical treatments and operations on homeless people, to prove how compassionate and wonderful a doctor or hospital is. In reality, this would never happen in an American hospital. Money is too important.
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pollyanna15Apr 12, 2026
+8
The Pitt on hbo still does this.
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MakurabuApr 13, 2026
+4
Remind me when this happens because the show is full of not even homeless people struggling to afford medical fees and medication. They gave a guy a bath and some treatment for his rotting hand and Mackay helps that addict in the park because she couldn't afford to come to the ER and has to do it secretly behind Robby's back.
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ColorMeStunnedApr 13, 2026
+4
Husband is a doctor at one of the biggest hospitals in the country, and you're just...not correct. Doctors (and more frequently, nurses) go above and beyond all the time. People will sit on the phone for hours to try to get insurance to pay for stuff, or eat their surgical fees themselves to help out a patient. Many at a neighboring hospital have a street team, which means they go out to our version of Skid Row and administer help directly to our unhoused populations.
And it's not just in the clinic. We all work at the big food bank here with all the resident doctors, multiple times a year. I personally know a doctor who spent all his free time before retiring on the street, trimming toenails and trying to help people get clean.
Hospital administrators only care about money, sure. Many doctors do actually care about their patients.
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zangsterApr 12, 2026
+10
I always hated the sweeps week trope of sending the characters to some exciting vacation locale that was really just a commercial for said vacation.
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perthguppyApr 12, 2026
+48
Every action movie needing a “working out” montage that had nothing to do with the plot but was always set to that days most popular bands release of a new single to coincide with the movie. Sometimes as a bonus the workout montage would be with the male and female leads together having sexual tension in the montage that again was completely unrelated to the plot.
Iconic example that may have killed the trope being Halle Berrys Cat Woman basketball scene.
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plutoglintApr 12, 2026
+10
RRR had one of these unironically, just two dudes working out shirtless in the Indian countryside for what felt like forever.
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WhoaMimiApr 12, 2026
+8
And piggyback rides! Motorcycle trips!
Truly, RRR has something for everyone.
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hyperdreamApr 12, 2026
+24
>always set to that days most popular bands release of a new single to coincide with the movie
Prior to the 90s most songs in movies were either completely original and not that great or covers of well known songs but covered by unknown artists, who were not that great.
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brigadier_tcApr 12, 2026
+30
Then there's Queen blasting out bangers in Flash Gordon AND Highlander
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bretshitmanshartApr 12, 2026
+4
Maximum Overdrive featuring AC/DC helped revive their career.
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Jackbuddy78Apr 12, 2026
+15
I love it in The Other Guys when they parodied guys like Stallone drinking hard alcohol in those montages. Like it wouldn't be the worst thing ever.
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GagOnMacaqueApr 12, 2026
+3
I hate when a character leaves a valuable next to the donation pile. Absolutely frustrating and not entertaining unless it's part of a series of missteps.
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LittleSodaPop13Apr 12, 2026
+5
Fat characters that do nothing but eat.
I don't understand why this trope was so popular in media, and for some reason, it was everywhere in a bunch of cartoons
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The-Soul-StoneApr 12, 2026
+38
>I personally never liked all of the "wife bad" and "the old ball and chain" stuff you would often see in old shows. The wife was constantly portrayed as a gossipy frivolous irrational nag that wastes all of the husband's hard-earned money on shopping sprees, and the hapless husbands just have to accept it because women amirite fellas. And the wife often didn't seem to really like the husband that much either, they'd argue constantly.
Yeah I got a bit sick of seeing my parents on TV too
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SipexFApr 12, 2026
+9
I always hate when someone joins the plot with actual depth to their character only to have them get boiled down to "Someone's love interest" by the plot going forward.
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Jirachibi1000Apr 12, 2026
+7
Anyone that is at all goth, emo, scene, or punk vibes was hideous or too scary. Even as a kid I found it insane that people in the sitcom Victorious not only found Jade hideous, but SO hideous that someone got PAID to ask her out but they still could not bring themselves to do it was absurd, same with Drake from Drake and Josh being put in detention and 2 goth girls hitting on him and him gagging and looking horrified and I feel it just happened a lot in kids shows. The alternative vibe friend character either had to learn to be more like a "girl" or everyone was terrified of them.
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thatshygirl06Apr 12, 2026
+9
No one found jade hideous, they found her scary because she was a b**** that constantly threatened people
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