And he bitches against our US liquor ban as a "trade irritant"? Get fucked.
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riko77can23 hr ago
+410
It would be far more feasible for the American distilleries to move production to Canada.
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omgitzvg23 hr ago
+110
And a bunch of them did actually.
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Playinhooky22 hr ago
+30
Which ones? I didnt know this.
30
Harbinger200122 hr ago
+98
Just one. Sour Puss. I think 90% of their sales were in Canada.
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folkdeath9521 hr ago
+86
As a former teenager who hung out with teenage girls… not surprised
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Flomo42020 hr ago
+34
lol 100% the inaugural drink of choice for many Canadian girls
my wife having been a former Canadian teen girl herself is still partial to a sour puss on occasion haha
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JRevenant16 hr ago
+14
Actually a few did. Bacardi, Kraken, and a few RTD groups did like High Noon. - Source: A Liquor Store Manager.
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omgitzvg22 hr ago
+27
One of them.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11527531/sour-puss-production-canada/
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FlatRelationship437523 hr ago
+65
Not needing anything from Canada includes liquor store shelf space I reckon.
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emmayarkay20 hr ago
+23
There is no ban on US liquor. Some of the provincially controlled liquor stores have just stopped buying/importing it. I don’t think the federal government can force the provinces to resume buying it.
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StandTo44421 hr ago
+6
And the milk, ffs don’t forget about the milk
6
-Yazilliclick-1 day ago
+2281
> The Trump administration is now offering Canadian and Mexican aluminum and steel companies immediate tariff relief if they commit to moving production to the United States in the future.
> The U.S published the notice on Thursday during a tense week that saw both American and Canadian officials publicly air their grievances.
> "It’s a very aggressive tactic by the United States," said international trade lawyer William Pellerin. "This really reinforces the approach that we’ve seen from the United States for a while now, which is simply: We win if you lose."
> U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade policy is focused on using steep tariffs to try to push foreign companies of all kinds to move production to the U.S. As part of that strategy, the administration has been clobbering Canada’s aluminum and steel sectors with tariffs for more than a year, escalating to 50 per cent.
Pretty aggressive position, slight suspicion this isn't going to go over well trying to actual take industries from Canada.
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ElPuppyNation1 day ago
+2472
Welp moving an aluminium smelter would also require to move lakes and rivers because its how they are powered in Canada. Not sure what the move is lol this would take many decades and that orange sack of shit will be long dead by then so nobody owns him anything 🤷♂️ also you can ramp up the tarrifs to 10000% nobody gives a shit anymore. We will just diversify until common sense is back in the WH. Pretty essy play
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fleebleganger23 hr ago
+490
Easy:
“Ok Mr President Dumbass, we’ll move our production to the US. We’ll start an action committee to come up with concepts of plans for it.”
490
TakuyaLee23 hr ago
+207
In two weeks
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Snipe7823 hr ago
+134
I've actually seen the plans. Biggest and best plans anyone has ever seen. Couple of guys were even brought to tears, adult men, huge strong men
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GardeniaFrangipani22 hr ago
+46
They said, “Sir, you make the biggest and best plans we’ve ever seen. Nobody makes plans like you do”.
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Fadedcamo23 hr ago
+37
This is probably all they'll need to have it done.
That and a few mil to trumps accounts. It's all a shakedown.
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East-Potential65722 hr ago
+21
He'll just say he won and claim 38 wars have been stopped by him.
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Kendertas21 hr ago
+9
To be fair I think that's what trump actually wants here. He just wants to be able to say he did something without actually doing it. Like that "deal" he struck in the 2016 campaign to keep jobs in America and the company ended up moving later anyways. Dude is all sizzle no steak
9
Over-Ad-96123 hr ago
+239
I live in the heart of aluminum manufacturing region. Within 50 km from my house there are three smelters. The fact is that Rio Tinto and Alcan own most of the dams in this area, therefore the hydroelectric production, the distribution network, the logistics, hubs, and the rail transportation belonged to them in addition to this smelters. You are talking about investments, worth tens of billions of dollars. As if an international corporation would undertake this kind of investment to please a deranged senile megalomaniac who will lose Congress within six months and go down in the dust bin of history within 30. (Edited for typos)
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qmrthw22 hr ago
+98
I don't think most people realize how insane this is. "Yeah, we needed more power so we invested in and built some of the largest, most complex and most expensive engineering projects known to man, as a side project to our actual business"
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Invisible7hunder22 hr ago
+54
Aluminium smelting is basically just a round-about way of exporting electricity.
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francis255920 hr ago
+46
Literally this for Iceland IIRC. So much energy, geothermal, etc, but no power cord long enough, so they use that energy to refine aluminum and export that.
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sharp11flat1312 hr ago
+11
Canadian here. I had a colleague whose father worked for Alcan. He said that when the price of aluminum dropped too low they would shut down the plant because they could make more money selling the electricity they generated. Everybody got time off with full pay because they didn’t want to lose staff.
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Over-Ad-96122 hr ago
+20
100% the isle maligne power station which feeds the plant in Alma uses lake st jean as a reservoir (2.9 cubic million miles of water), has about 7 or 8 high water evacuators and a flow regulation dam.
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DisastrousAcshin23 hr ago
+60
If they tried I believe you would see an immediate call for nationalizing every assset
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Firm_Print646322 hr ago
+50
They cant take the assets with them. We'd nationalize them and create a arms length crown Corp to run them. They wont be able to rip up train tracks, demolish hydro dams and transport any infrastructure. This is a stupid idea from stupid people.
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noir_lord21 hr ago
+9
UK had to do that recently when a Chinese owned steel works tried to shut it down in a way that would have been a b**** to restart (if that was even possible).
We don’t have a lot of steel left and that foundry becomes critical as a national asset at that point.
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ojmt99913 hr ago
+6
It's like how the Chinese tried to turn off a smelter in the UK recently but the workers literally stopped their officials from doing it and now it's UK government run.
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bouchecl22 hr ago
+35
Alcan's dams in the Saguenay-Lac Saint-Jean area were exempted from a forced merger with Hydro-Québec back in 1963. It would not take too long to pass a bill in the Quebec National Assembly to fold these assets into government-owned HQ.
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cheesaremorgia22 hr ago
+8
The Bloc Québécois and NDP would certainly float that.
8
Soft_Illustrator_25423 hr ago
+15
Would it be possible to insist that all aluminum be further processed before exporting. I hear we can't make aluminum cans in our own country without foreign sheet stock.
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Over-Ad-96122 hr ago
+11
Definitely what the metal worker union is pushing for ! Especially as Elysis will cut unskilled jobs, they’re hoping Rio Tinto would do coils and cans right here in Saguenay.
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Soft_Illustrator_25422 hr ago
+9
Fingers crossed
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Geologue-66622 hr ago
+9
They also own their ports for the giant bulk ships transporting bauxite.
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StaticSystemShock23 hr ago
+617
But you can power them using beautiful clean American coal you know!
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Ellusive123 hr ago
+292
Their electrical grid is so defunct it couldn’t support the added load.
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Black_Moons22 hr ago
+68
... Now it seems like an even better idea, just crash their grid with 1 aluminum smelter. Make the entire US less competitive with rolling blackouts.
If people thought datacenters used a lot of power, wait till they see how much power running an arc furnace to smelt aluminum takes, the most power hungry of all metals to refine.
In Canada there are aluminum smelters with their own hydroelectric powerplants they draw so much power.
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leadfoot7118 hr ago
+6
Amreica doesn't have the bauxite reserves to fill those smelters either, they would end up buying the raw material from canada anyways.
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Black_Moons17 hr ago
+8
Most of the value in aluminum is the smelting itself, due to the absolutely insane amount of power required (on the order of 400~2400MW for a single aluminum smelter.
Its basically a way to ship power around the world without transmission losses.
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Pinelli7222 hr ago
+64
All they need to do is buy a block of shitty land and start ‘planning’.
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Invisible7hunder22 hr ago
+44
Right? Just buy a dozen acres in bumfuk and wait for the administration to change, or forget about it.
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metalconscript21 hr ago
+30
That isn’t a bad idea. Win-lose, Canadian companies win and we don’t get c***. As an American sick of my own country, punish us.
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The14thWarrior20 hr ago
+15
Seriously America needs massive economic punishment from the international community.
I say this as an American
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Brodimere16 hr ago
+7
And the world is working on that.
More and more countries in the EU are slowly moving away from US tech and software by creating their own versions. But it takes a bit of time.
Not to mention regular people boycotting American brands. Here in Denmark, the most downloaded app last year was a brand-database app, making it easier to boycott American brands.
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Black_Moons22 hr ago
+11
And then sell it back for 2x the amount they paid when its decided to be unfeasible due to lack of power supply, especially after all the datacenters go up.
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AdFlaky998323 hr ago
+79
The most beautiful and cleanest coal ever, many people are saying so.
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ItzDrSeuss23 hr ago
+42
Cleaner than dirty hydro power even.
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UpstairsWilling735923 hr ago
+42
Obviously. Fish poop in water, never in coal.
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Pinelli7222 hr ago
+13
Coal may contain vintage fish poop.
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KGB_cutony23 hr ago
+9
Scrubbed clean and shiny
9
chaos880323 hr ago
+27
"They take the coal and they clean it."
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uberares22 hr ago
+10
By sixty eleventy percent!
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Tack0s23 hr ago
+10
God Emperor Trump, may he live forever, got the first ever "Clean Coal" award trophy. Never forget!
10
KingBretwald23 hr ago
+60
Serve him right if they agreed to do so, got lower tariffs, then just...didn't. It would take more than 2.5 years to move anyway.
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ForMoreYears23 hr ago
+151
F****** this. Aluminum is called an electricity proxy because of how much power it requires. Quebec has some of the cheapest electricity rates in the world because of its abundant hydroelectric generation. It's basically free power.
If these companies moved south they would immediately have permanently and significantly higher input costs thay would make the move either a wash or a net negative.
There's a reason why the U.S. invested so aggressively in Quebec aluminum production for like a century....
edit: did nobody in the admin take an econ101 class?! This is the literal definition of comparative advantage and specialization.
edit2: my off-peak electricity rate is $0.07 CAD/kwh guaranteed, rising to a peak of $0.14 CAD/kwh. These are fixed rates. Pennsylvania's average electricity rate is $0.25 CAD/kwh, while the avg rate across the whole country is $0.22 CAD/kwh, all variable. This means a smelter would pay ~3.5x higher input costs if they moved to the U.S.
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DoubleBarrellRye23 hr ago
+48
yep , the Smelter in Kitimat is the same and they are some of the only smelters that can export to Germany and the EU as its considered Green Aluminum as its made as clean as possible
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scubawankenobi22 hr ago
+22
>Quebec has some of the cheapest electricity rates in the world
Great point!
And not just Quebec, other provinces have similar low-cost energy, including based on hydro generation.
I'm live in BC & our cost is similar to Quebec's power & it's cheaper here than anywhere on the western half of N.America.
Aluminum is energy dependent & that's something that so many don't get.
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ForMoreYears22 hr ago
+9
Exactly. In Ontario, because we get virtually all our electricity from nuclear and hydro, my fixed off-peak rate is $0.07 CAD/kwh. It's ludicrously c****.
9
ScottyBoneman23 hr ago
+39
This is why we need to stop exporting power to the US.
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ForMoreYears22 hr ago
+13
I've thought about this before and I know it feels good but that might actually just wind up with the 101st airborne seizing Manicouagan so idk...
13
Irr3l3ph4nt22 hr ago
+15
>edit: did nobody in the admin take an econ101 class?! This is the literal definition of comparative advantage and specialization.
Ironically, Donnie has a Bachelor's Degree in Economics from Wharton. The main problem is he got his education in the 60's, when economic theory was rather wrong on quite a few things that it's corrected since. And he was probably a terrible student that forgot the entire chapter about the 1930s and tariffs.
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DisastrousAcshin23 hr ago
+26
He'll have Canadian energy producers move to the US as well, check and mate
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canehdianchick22 hr ago
+7
And in BC they own their own hydro plant. Trump is an idiot.
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Geologue-66622 hr ago
+6
In Quebec too, they have their own dams.
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theclansman2223 hr ago
+62
>We will just diversify until common sense is back in the WH.
We will continue to diversify even after Trump has left office. We should never make the mistake of trusting America at their word again. They are most 4 years away from electing someone worse because 40,000 midwestern swing voters decide that egg prices are too high.
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Trololorawr22 hr ago
+23
100% I don’t care if common sense ever returns to the White House again at this point. Americans elected this stupid, corrupt, senile and narcissistic pedophile, TWICE, so the US can no longer be trusted and we must diversify immediately… you know what they say, “fool me once…”
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Sensitive-Hotel-987123 hr ago
+20
This is the same man who has lost money running casinos. He doesn’t understand that. As his mind seems to slip away more and more I am not sure what he understands.
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no-more-depravity23 hr ago
+42
Electricity costs less in Canada, unless, of course, you use "Trump math," which forces all math formulas and equasions to favor The Child Raper in Chief.
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Pinelli7222 hr ago
+6
600% price difference
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Molwar23 hr ago
+21
>until common sense is back in the WH
I hope not, doesn't matter if common sense comes back, they don't deserve us as partner again.
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BurnerAcct672923 hr ago
+8
This is the correct take. F*** that orange walking corpse.
8
gotnothingman23 hr ago
+14
See, he is trying to bring manufacturing back to America! What a genius!!
14
im_bozack23 hr ago
+4
I didn't realize that. Hard to move in general, but this isn't viable in the least
Orange idiot does something outrageously offensive for something that could never happen
Just another day that ends in Y
4
NotAnAce6923 hr ago
+145
I don’t understand the benefit here either, because before Trump started antagonizing the Canadians it was a perfectly fine, secure, and affordable source of raw materials that could then be used to support US manufacturing. This isn’t exactly a Chinese gallium type situation. The only explanation I can see(as with so many other things that Trump does) is that this is either yet another counterproductive d***-measuring display for his audience instead of actually doing anything meaningful or an attempt to cut out a slice of the pie for one of his buddies because it makes no sense from both an economic and national security standpoint
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imightgetdownvoted21 hr ago
+59
It can all be explained by the fact Trump is a f****** moron.
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Mateorabi22 hr ago
+64
Trump doesn’t understand some things, many things, are NOT zero sum. Trump believes if a business partner is getting a benefit then he must be losing.
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Thagyr16 hr ago
+9
Why most of Trumps businesses went under more than likely.
9
Bulky-Bullfrog370721 hr ago
+7
Bribery. Classic shakedown. That's the reason for the tariffs. He wants bribes from 132 countries. Even getting 10% of countries to pay is a great return.
7
Fickle_Razzmatazz6641 day ago
+156
Always remember to boycott ANY company that folds under pressure and gives up on Canada, where possible - might be more difficult if their steel/aluminum are in all kinds of things, though
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gart88823 hr ago
+51
Also boycott any American company if there’s a reasonable alternative.
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Hero_of_Brandon22 hr ago
+16
Heinz learned.
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Whatwhyreally22 hr ago
+25
It's not even that it won't go over well.
It's just unserious.
Trump admin is in real trouble politically and economically, they are going for home runs to try and sound like they're winning something.
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ViolettaQueso23 hr ago
+15
Yeah. Don’t waste your money moving here to make a deal with Trump that will soon be over.
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theummeower23 hr ago
+11
This such a horseshit proposal.
Nothing guaranteeing that they actual setup production
Just that they say they’ll do it and give Trump credit.
Put these tariffs on to move jobs back on shore and he can’t even actually do it so he chases hollow PR to say he accomplished his goal.
Pathetic.
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Blue-snow23 hr ago
+1107
Get fucked, signed a Canadian.
1107
GardeniaFrangipani22 hr ago
+162
As an Aussie, I’ll sign too.
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Harry_The-Bastard18 hr ago
+54
As a Kiwi, sign me up as well. F*** that orange c***.
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Brodimere16 hr ago
+29
Dane signing on that too, Fanta Führer and his ilk, can go f*** themselves with a sandpaper-d****.
29
Throwaway_noDoxx18 hr ago
+43
As an American, me too.
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Starscream14723 hr ago
+161
I’ll sign too. 🤘🇨🇦
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Thegreensteward22 hr ago
+44
Signed, readying the geese for deployment 🇨🇦
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sicilian50423 hr ago
+96
I'll sign as an American. Get fucked Trump
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scotchybob22 hr ago
+42
American here as well. I'll double sign. Apparently our illustrious idiot in chief isn't reading the room very well. Canada has made good on their boycott threats and have repeatedly said, through their actions and words, that this administration can go f*** itself. I can't imagine this offer won't be given the same treatment.
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Jescro19 hr ago
+11
Canadian here, the liquor thing started as a grassroots patriotic rally call across the country after Trump levied all those initial tariffs on us. It’s such a small thing in the whole balance of things but was more of a protest than anything else. Our federal government hasn’t made any restrictions on us liquor- we’re David vs Goliath here and it was one small thing we can do. But we import _so_ much more goods from the States than we export, the only reason the official trade balance looks like we exported more was because of our oil exports. Which is partially owned by US corps. We’re pretty helpless here and these ridiculous tariffs hurt us substantially more than we could ever retaliate with, and every one here knows it. We just have to wait it out for another 2.5 years and I can’t wait to resume our mutually beneficial trading with our American friends. And I can’t wait for you all to have a normal government again. Godspeed 🫡
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Dragyn14021 hr ago
+9
I’ll sign as an American living in Canada too.
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_kraftdinner18 hr ago
+6
I’ll sign as a Canadian living in America 🙋♀️
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CreatingDestroying21 hr ago
+13
Signed by another Canuck 🇨🇦
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StandTo44421 hr ago
+14
Seconded
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UncutChickn19 hr ago
+10
Hosers, corral the moose. 🇨🇦
10
creamersrealm19 hr ago
+9
Signed an American
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MsterBoRaichu19 hr ago
+7
Where is my pen?
7
biznatch111 day ago
+731
Why is this something that has to be "offered"? Wouldn't there be no tariffs by default if a company is in the US?
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Grow_away_42023 hr ago
+267
He's asking for future commitments. Sounds pretty desperate for a win and is willing to offer up something (dropping steel/aluminium tariffs) that they're probably looking to do anyway.
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Unlucky_Clover23 hr ago
+51
So basically, again, had he done nothing, it would have been a better win. But he couldn’t keep his mouth shut
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Routine_Bit_818418 hr ago
+19
Trump's entire mode of operation can be described as him taking $20 from you, then later giving you back $10 and wanting a handy for getting you the biggest refund of all time that nobody thought was possible....except in reality he just stole $10 from you.
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idryss_m23 hr ago
+70
It is also stupid on the homefront. He spruiks tariffs as a major revenue stream, able to find x, y, z and cure cancer. So he wants to remove those lovey benefits to the American people for a promise that won't start to bear any fruit for at least 5 years (site selections, surveys, plans, permits, contracts etc)?
Also, didn't dementia don say they don't need anything from Canada?
Curious too..... Is production for this stuff profitable in the US?
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No_Gur111322 hr ago
+26
It isn’t profitable because of how expensive it would be to power. Quebec pays a pittance for power.
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AncientChaos32323 hr ago
+35
I mean they can't up and move the minerals anyways
So the current plan is for them to move all their equipment to the us, which isn't really possible, and still pay tariffs on the raw resources.
Holy shit that man is stupid.
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Empty_Map_444720 hr ago
+16
Aluminum is made from bauxite which is a mineral found mostly in tropical regions like the Caribbean (i.e. not Canada). Bauxite is plentiful and c**** in those areas but to process bauxite into aluminum take enormous amounts of energy, specifically electricity which those areas do not have access to.
The reason aluminum is more cost effective to manufacture in Quebec is because Quebec has invested heavily in hydro electric dams and can produce huge amounts of electricity in an obscenely c**** and clean manner. This capacity to generate clean, c**** energy is deeply integrated with the existing terrain and cannot simply be relocated elsewhere as Trump is suggesting. It also helps that Quebec has ports on the St. Laurence that can facilitate the importing of raw materials (bauxite) and exporting of finished product (aluminum).
To think that the aluminum smelting industry could be cajoled into just up and moving operations somewhere else is to completely misunderstand the industry.
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CucumberWisdom23 hr ago
+38
He knows these deals won't outlast his administration. He just wants "wins" for the headlines
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thereisonlyoneme23 hr ago
+17
Shit, these deals won't last two weeks. He changes his mind more than I change my underwear.
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statelesskiller23 hr ago
+32
Because this isn't as simple as "we move next door next month".
The offer is "you committ in the future (could be years from now) and if you do make that commitment you get tariff relief right now."
However this will never happen. Because it takes ALOT of power to run a aluminum smelter. Canada has it in spaaaaades with there c**** hydro electric abundance, meanwhile the smelters would have to compete with all the stupid data centers in plans that would take a decade to happen at minimum.
The companies know they can instead just wait 2 years and see if the next president will instead just abolish the tariffs, it will be cheaper for them. No seriously.
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Ok_Fall_202419 hr ago
+6
With the strait of Hormuz closed (middle east is a power house of aluminium smelting), our smelters up here in Québec are struggling to meet the worldwide demand boom. With the EU introducing laws requiring low carbon aluminum supply to feed their industries, the US tarrifs on Canadian Aluminium is becoming irrelevant as demand for Canadian Aluminium simply exploded worldwide and is expected to remain high even if the strait of Hormuz reopen.
6
Pariahb23 hr ago
+28
It's f****** stupid, and only accomplishes alienating it allies and trade partners even more.
28
EirHc23 hr ago
+17
The more we move away from the US as a trade partner, the better.
17
Beebajazz23 hr ago
+15
Yeah.... US companies did pay tariffs, and passed the cost onto consumers, and are now getting refunds after the courts finally struck the tariffs down.
The consumers will not be getting refunds.
Please don't send your businesses here to get yanked around
15
Potates4223 hr ago
+13
Aluminum plants here run on hydro, and we produce so much we sell the excess to you guys. It would take decades to set up the power requirements needed judging by how much you're going to need for datacenters, they're putting a bunch on hold because they can't even meet demand. An aluminum smelter would need like 9 times even what the biggest datacenters in operation right now use. trump has no idea wtf he's doing.
13
My2centsallday23 hr ago
+98
How do you deal with a deranged war monger.
98
MapleMaScoot23 hr ago
+67
The French have a good solution for it.
67
Ok-Professor-Star23 hr ago
+79
**The reason** why aluminum production is in Canada is because that's where the c**** electricity is.
One of the reasons why Canada makes so much steel is because the iron ore is in Canada and because it makes **no economic sense** to transport almost worthless but very heavy iron ore on a long distance. Always refine the ore as close as possible to the extraction site.
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invincibl_22 hr ago
+24
> because it makes no economic sense to transport almost worthless but very heavy iron ore on a long distance
*laughs in Australian*
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LongjumpingShape96891 day ago
+285
Just say sure then never move
285
Silent-Storms23 hr ago
+102
I mean, its not like you can just pack up the infrastructure into a suitcase. He'd be long dead before the move was halfway done.
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Darth_Atton22 hr ago
+31
In this case, the infrastructure is the Canadian Shield and the waterfalls and rivers in Quebec.
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Serious_Hour907420 hr ago
+17
Steel mill near me owns it's own iron mine, produces it's own hydro electricity, and is located right on a great lake for shipping. Why would it give all that up? And as you said, you can't just pack up and move and iron mine.
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[deleted]23 hr ago
+47
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hazmodan2023 hr ago
+13
Oh yes. I'd pay to see the reaction.
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[deleted]23 hr ago
+22
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northernCRICKET23 hr ago
+14
It was hilarious how pissed the American car companies got when Carney made the deal with China to import c**** electric vehicles. The Americans want to disincentivize us from trading with them and then throw a tantrum when we decide not to trade with them. We're long overdue, we've been buying America's oversized, overpriced, garbage quality c*** for way too long.
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RobertLeeSwagger23 hr ago
+19
Didn’t Canada already do this with something else? Trump threatened tariffs and Canada promised to do something that they were basically already doing and Trump backed off. Far too much has happened over the last year for me to remember.
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Chardan000123 hr ago
+29
If I recall it was their response to border patrol investment. Tredeau just confirmed the already planned and announced cost and Trump took it to be a major win and concession.
29
Global_Face_540721 hr ago
+9
Yes. He asked us to spend more on our border security. We did and then he put ludicrous tariffs anyway.
That's pretty much when we stopped buying US alcohol.
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Starter-for-Ten23 hr ago
+9
Tell him sure and the move will be done in two weeks.
9
hi5ves23 hr ago
+13
This is the play. Tell him what he wants to hear until the next dementia episode.
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GuelphEastEndGhetto23 hr ago
+119
Canada will put US liquor back on the shelves if they move their distilleries to Canada.
119
binzoma21 hr ago
+42
nah, f*** that
Idgaf where they employ people, if the money is going back to the states I'm avoiding it as much as possible
42
Bitter_Procedure26022 hr ago
+54
Why buy US liquor when my body makes piss for free?
54
ACivtech23 hr ago
+326
Any attempt should result in nationalization.
326
BannedMuadD1b23 hr ago
+283
You can’t ‘move’ and aluminum foundry. Go look up how much power these use. The reason they’re in Canada is because of all the hydroelectric power they have up there.
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supercyberlurker23 hr ago
+92
Yeah. There's a reason aluminum has the nickname 'congealed electricity'
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watch-nerd23 hr ago
+32
That's also what I call my dingaling.
32
FluffyGreenThing23 hr ago
+40
Their clean energy production is also a major selling point when it comes to other nations importing both aluminium and steel from Canada. Without that fewer countries would be interested in buying. I also find it.. let’s say interesting that the US wants aluminium production specifically to move to the US. They’ve already completely messed up their supply lines for raw materials which wouldn’t be helped by production being moved to the US. They would still need to import raw materials for production and would have to deal with the same issues they have now, with the addition of Canada possibly not being willing to sell them their leftovers at an increased price so there would be nothing to fall back on. The US is completely delusional at this point.
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Ultimafatum23 hr ago
+16
Well, also the fact that the location of the mine itself is a pretty big factor.
As always, Trump is dumb as f*** and doesn't understand basic things.
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bodyguardguy23 hr ago
+8
Bingo
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Ellusive123 hr ago
+23
It’ll never happen, the raw materials in the ground can’t be moved. They can’t build more power plants or fix the electrical grid. It would be easier to relocate a river.
Next they’re going to start up the invade Canada rhetoric again
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iliveincanadaeh23 hr ago
+283
Rapist/abuser vibes here.
He hurts the industries with tarriffs.
Says I'll stop hurting you if you let me own you.
Americans must be proud.
Edit: Americans going to work support Trump. If you aren't protesting, you are supporting him with silence.
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JaZepi23 hr ago
+83
His supporters think he’s a genius lol
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garbage-barge23 hr ago
+60
“Smart people don’t like me.” - President Pumpkin T***
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jorgepolak23 hr ago
+39
And you can trust he won’t change his mind the second you make the expensive move.
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VanCityPhotoNewbie23 hr ago
+65
What a moron. The reason they are in Canada is because of 1.) c**** electricity and 2.) close to the source
It is like asking someone to relocate the gold mining company to a country but leave the gold mine and smelter behind.
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Xaero_Hour20 hr ago
+10
He still doesn't know who pays for tariffs and is threatening companies applying for a "refund" (i.e. a way for them to double-dip on taking our money) on the ones that were determined to be illegal. There's a lot of non-starters on this stupid threat.
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+90
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Groentekroket23 hr ago
+33
By now that’s the rest of the world except Russia and Israel
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SP15701 day ago
+58
MAGA US: raiders, pirates and criminals
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Fundanshi_Dildo_Love19 hr ago
+9
Don't forget rapists and pedophiles!
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Deervember23 hr ago
+80
He still doesn't understand tariffs, he genuinely thinks other countries pay for them.
He has the IQ of a toddler.
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Exact_Patience_976723 hr ago
+20
What a great deal, no innovation at all. Just a weak underhanded attempt to steal companies. No way, you're a conman, and who knows the shit you'll pull once the companies come over.
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thatweirdguyted23 hr ago
+6
Yeah the guy who poisoned the well and is famous for not paying people wants these people to work for him. Somehow I don't think it's going to work out.
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Crabbyrob23 hr ago
+21
"We dont need anything from Canada."
President Dufus
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Vaulters23 hr ago
+35
"I promise I'll stop hitting you if you give me what I want" is this guy's only tactic.
People who believe him keep getting hit.
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DreadedFistNW22 hr ago
+15
The aluminum is in Canada. The power needed to make it is only c**** enough in Canada.
What are these companies supposed to make in the US?
May as well ask United Fruit to move banana production to Maine.
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Over-Ad-96123 hr ago
+10
Trump is forgetting that at least in Quebec where the majority of Canadian aluminum is made electricity is plentiful c**** and green. These are three facts that will drive aluminum companies to stay here. I am pretty sure in fact, one of the biggest producers Rio Tinto is starting to put its green aluminum in production calledElysis, a process that will entirely take green out gases from manufacturing out of the equation. Also, this region has been the heart of aluminum manufacturing in Canada for near a century; as a result, the workforce here is knowledgeable. Well trained the supply chain is fine. Tuned and the logistics requirements are all in place. I really doubt that orange man can overcome these structural benefits with this sweet deal when he’s six months away from losing Congress.
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astros202023 hr ago
+11
He’s just as stupid as the people he represents.
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SedgyW20 hr ago
+12
F*ck Trump and any American who criticizes us for buying Canadian 🇨🇦.
US had the buy American movement in the 30’s and they increased the threshold over the years. They cry when we stop purchasing their goods, and now this nonsense? This just strengthens our resolve to buy Canadian and support local whenever we can.
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Sherlock_Phones20 hr ago
+13
As a Canadian, I say we back off from negotiations and wait for him to die or get impeached. There's no f****** point. We're better off to spend our time negotiating with countries that mean well and aren't f****** insane.
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neat_stuff23 hr ago
+25
Sure. I'm going to make plans and spend a ton of money to open a plant in the US, knowing Trump will change his mind or be out of office long before the plant actually opens....
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Secure-Television54122 hr ago
+8
And might have plans to arrest every worker from your country as they start the plant up in the Us…
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DogsAreJustTheBest23 hr ago
+23
Aluminum isn't complex, just requires a c*** load of power to refine, so it tends to be located where power is very c****, so near Hydro electric power plants.
So if you really want to relocate one, step 1 is to build massive dams. Best get started, I'm sure it will be done in a day or two.
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Nottodayreddit194923 hr ago
+10
I'm sure the steel plant owner that voted for him is gonna love this.
This offer really only makes sense if they were already making plans to open in the US.
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eggsncanadianbacon21 hr ago
+10
I can't wait until the day I wake up and can read this guys obituary
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alvinofdiaspar23 hr ago
+9
Cool, we will just up taxes on US tech industries instead.
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MidLifeCrysis7523 hr ago
+8
The man is a f****** moron.
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r_kirch19 hr ago
+9
That kind of BS is the whole reason Carney does not waste any effort responding and continues on the path he is setting. Better no deal than a bad deal. Ignore the Hegemony, keep calm and Carney on.
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owensoundgamedev19 hr ago
+7
Big beautiful obituary please
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Mysterious-Prompt21223 hr ago
+6
Headline: Tramp says another inane thing.
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Familiar-Seat-169023 hr ago
+7
I would love to be able to turn off the flow of power just for 5 min. Not enough to hurt the Americans just to make Trump realize how interconnected the countries are. It would not take a long power outage to "educate".
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notme141423 hr ago
+7
He really thinks other people are as stupid as he is.
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tsukahara1023 hr ago
+8
Steel and aluminum manufacturing isn’t something that’s easily moved. You have to build entirely new mills from the ground up. You have to find somewhere that’s got a spare 350MW of power on their grid that they can allocate. You have to negotiate billion dollar contracts for not just construction, but engineering and design, and automation. Then you have to find skilled labor that’s able to run and maintain the equipment, which frankly the US has a shortage of.
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Auzor22 hr ago
+5
Chefs kiss note: a spare 350 MW minimum, whilst datacenters are hogging all available power and building their own powerplants, and Trumpists are killing all windmill & solar projects.
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tooeasilybored22 hr ago
+7
Americans y'all deserve everything that's coming at you and more. The English language needs another word to describe this level of dumbassness.
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yukonnut21 hr ago
+8
Aluminum production needs c**** power. Hey Donny you got any c**** power in your diaper, or is it still full of caca, just like you. That’s why American aluminum production is always a loser. I am so tired of this grifter trying to screw us over. I support Mark Carney 100% in his efforts to transition our economy to alternative markets. I am not so naive to think that our relationship with the us is unimportant, but we need to do whatever we can to reduce that reliance.
Carney was right in Davos and I am very happy he is leading our country. Dealing with Trump is always a win lose proposition, not to mention he is a liar, dishonest, and his word cannot be trusted.
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BBOY681421 hr ago
+12
America owes us so much for all the bullshit they put us through. Tens of thousands of jobs lost. Lives upended from the betrayal of our “closest ally”. All orchestrated by a cabal of the most disgusting and prolific **CHILD SEX TRAFFICKERS** the world has ever seen. Who, of course, aren’t facing any consequences. Because that’s what America is.
What a shameful place.
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SnarkMasterFlash23 hr ago
+5
The monumental stupidity and arrogance of the Trump regime is truly staggering.
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TarHeel268223 hr ago
+5
Why the hell would they move to the US when they have very very very c**** hydroelectricity in Canada?
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k_my21 hr ago
+7
The art of the deal, ladies and gentleman. The hatred towards this pedophile, and convicted criminal, is real and will not be quick to lessen. America has lost its greatest ally, and we don’t forget (unlike the USA forgetting that we fought for them, fought with them, died for them, sheltered their citizens during 911, and helped them secure numerous advantageous trade deals). Oh well, Trump can continue to destroy America from the inside out. Elbows up, fellow Canadians. My boycott of everything American will now continue for life. Who, in their right mind, would ever want to move to America now or even visit it? It’s a 3rd world country run by a despot and his sycophant pedophile friends… America has fallen, a new Babylon has risen. Trump is the spirit of Apollyon, the antichrist ushering in the “golden age of America” just as predicted throughout history. For shame, America, for shame.
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Xyrus200021 hr ago
+7
How exactly does one move aluminium and steel processing plants, exactly?
The answer is, you don't. You have to build new ones, and they have to be built where the resources and infrastructure can support them. It takes 2-5 years to build one (depending on size) and can cost close to a billion dollars.
And that's just for the plant. You also have to consider logistics, people (CoL is higher than Canada, so is health insurance), training, and so on. You're looking at billions of dollars to "move".
Trump continues to prove that he has no idea what he's talking about and can't even do basic math.
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jeers6919 hr ago
+6
The raw material is still in Canada you moron
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iamclickeric19 hr ago
+6
This is so stupid it doesn't make any sense as there is a reason why Canada can produce aluminum and steel cheeply and its because of power and the resources that don't travel. Are their negotiators clowns, morons or both.
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Exciting_Turn_955915 hr ago
+6
Fix your shit America.
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Breadedbutthole22 hr ago
+11
Quiet piggy.
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Fine_Ad_246923 hr ago
+5
The aluminum is in the ground and that ground is in Canada
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Silent-Obligation-4922 hr ago
+6
As a Canadian Trump can 🖕
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Toronto-2419 hr ago
+5
Or Canada can just wait until you get impeached lol
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im_dead_sirius19 hr ago
+6
He expects them to just pack up those foundries and that hydro electricity, eh?
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Mens-Real17 hr ago
+5
Sounds desperate and uneducated considering tariffs don't apply within borders
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snootfull17 hr ago
+4
The cascade of stupidity continues. I don't know which is more scary- that many administration staff involved in this 'offer' don't know you can't 'move' aluminum smelters and steel mills, or that they knew and were too chicken-shit to tell the Emperor that his 'idea' is asinine.
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