Seems appropriate to leave once you have threatened to invade fellow members.
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Trick_Succotash_9949Apr 1, 2026
+2500
Therein lies the method in the madness. They’ve been looking at a way to invade Greenland and leaving NATO will probably justify the action in this clowns mindset.
2500
onarainyafternoonApr 1, 2026
+1614
They can't leave it, though. That would take an act of congress. Rubio himself spearheaded the bill in 2023.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4360407-congress-approves-bill-barring-president-withdrawing-nato/
Edit: I keep seeing people claim that he also can't go to war without congressional approval, but this is all just false. Because of the war powers resolution, all he has to do for a 60-90 day conflict is submit a war powers resolution to Congress, which he did to congressional leaders before he invaded. In terms of tariffs, that was a legal grey area until the supreme court ruled against him recently. And the mail-in-voting EO is nonsense and is just political theater, since states run their own elections and *the federal government has no access to those ballots*. The most that could happen is he bullies red states into stopping mail-in-voting. But this would quickly get bogged down in the courts, and our courts are the only thing that's actually been stopping him so far. I'm all for shitting on Trump, but let's at least know what we are talking about when we actually speak.
1614
SAKingWriterApr 1, 2026
+794
Try defining an “act of congress” to his followers and you’ll see how useful that is.
794
UNFAM1L1ARApr 1, 2026
+161
From the beginning I wish (we) americans had been more educated on our own laws and stood our ground when appropriate. Especially during the whole DOGE thing. Executive orders dont mean shit. All those people who just walked out of their job, should have just resisted.
No one understands these things here. It's not legal. The courts would be on your side. Congress is supposed to work with the courts if the 3rd branch is going off the rails. It's like everyone wants to say he's not a king, but when he makes illegal orders, they sure as f*** obey them like he is.
Executive orders have no weight or authority without a law they are supporting. They are not magical fiat.
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GoneinaSecondededApr 1, 2026
+113
I have come to believe most of my fellow citizens aren't terribly bright.
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GolemfrostApr 1, 2026
+8
I think you might be right.
8
PhylanaraApr 1, 2026
+13
Don't feel too bad. They've been killing public education and propping up billionnaire-owned ,"fair and balanced" propaganda outlets for *decades*.
13
Kanin_usagiApr 1, 2026
+6
I dunno man, I learned all of that in like seventh grade civics. And 10th grade government. Pretty sure I learned it in elementary school even
This shit is taught, I just think people willingly ignore it if it does t suit them
6
WeakCartographer7826Apr 1, 2026
+198
Try just defining "Congress" not sure you could even get past that
198
kristosphereinApr 1, 2026
+70
Try defining America and they probably wouldn't be able to identify it on a map.
70
Tone-BomahawkApr 1, 2026
+23
Try using the term "define" with them, watch them go into a head-punching, pants-shitting frenzy.
23
nhc150Apr 1, 2026
+130
This same Rubio now parroting Trump and also saying we should leave NATO is absolutely wild.
He'll do anything to keep his job.
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Extension-Badger3144Apr 1, 2026
+67
He wants Cuba
67
DasArtmabApr 1, 2026
+17
So odd. He’s not an outcast of this regime. Hell, he was born here. His parents left before this regime. It’s not personal, it’s just politics
17
Jordan_JacksonApr 1, 2026
+45
That is because Marco Rubio is a sycophant. He will do anything to further his own career. Marco Rubio has no firm positions. His positions change based on what he stands to benefit or lose from them being what they are.
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[deleted]Apr 1, 2026
+116
[removed]
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skyper_markApr 1, 2026
+37
No its actually pretty different as they have the war powers act...so in theory (as shit as it is) Trump has 60 days to retire the troops and stop attacking until it becomes rully illegal from the US side.
In the case of NATO, Trump just can't do it without qualified majority in congress. He can whine all he wants, its not gonna happen. Nato is like 60% of the source of income for the US military industrial complex.
37
amcclurk21Apr 1, 2026
+9
You know what you’re talking about, thank you for putting it better than I could. One thing to add as a personal anecdote that even my dumbass conservative congressmen are against pulling out of NATO, albeit quietly
9
TheCrazedTankApr 1, 2026
+309
Yeah, since when has that stopped him? How many times has congress held him accountable for side-stepping their authority?
America is a Banana Republic, a failed nation on the brink of finance collapse.
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hopperschteApr 1, 2026
+121
Without NATO Bases in Norway, Portugal, Italy and foremost Ramstein in Germany the US posture for the arctic and the middle east will not look good. And all the money the US invested in all those years, up in vapor. Where would US warships go for repairs in the next war in the middle east if not in a NATO port? The Mediterranean would most certainly be lost to US strategic interests.
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DutchProvApr 1, 2026
+45
Its as if you still believe Trump and his cronies do shit that makes sense for anything except remove US from NATO and estrange it from its allies.
45
Georgie_LeechApr 1, 2026
+73
It wasn't in US interest to have the Strait of Hormuz screwed up either, and yet...
73
BilboTBagginzApr 1, 2026
+29
There's someone else calling the shots here, and he isn't in the US.
This is by design. You can't take NATO or the US head on, so destroy them from the inside.
29
neopink90Apr 1, 2026
+9
It’s weird watching the narrative constantly switch between “America need those bases to execute their foreign policy in the Middle East” to “those bases aren’t meant to be and shouldn’t be used to execute America’s foreign policy in the Middle East.”
9
kaizen-raiApr 1, 2026
+354
STOP SAYING HE CAN'T DO SOMETHING.
He keeps DOING things that everyone, including congress says "he can't do". He keeps doing it anyway. His people keep following his orders, "illegal" or not!
He has blatantly done MANY things that it takes "an act of congress" to do!
When will people get it through their heads that he is ignoring ALL restrictions on his abuse of power, and the separation of powers has completely broken down, and that Congress has ceded their authority to Trump?
He CAN leave NATO without an act of Congress... because he can say it, and his people will carry out his orders, and NO ONE WILL STOP HIM, NOT EVEN CONGRESS.
*"Hitler can't invade Poland... it would take an act of the German Parliament to approve the action...."*
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BilboTBagginzApr 1, 2026
+111
THANK YOU! I'm sick of people saying "He needs to do x, y and z first!" He doesn't care and the GOP removed all the checks and balances to prevent this.
111
Rit91Apr 1, 2026
+7
Yeah if trump said "we're leaving NATO" how many republicans in congress are going to say 'no.' They're a bunch of cowards. There will be congress members applauding the decision because they will contort to anything dear leader says even if the plan is goddamn awful, which leaving NATO would be an astronomically goddamn stupid decision period.
7
BleatmopApr 1, 2026
+46
If you think the fear of being seen as a hypocrite would ever stop a conservative then you haven't been paying attention.
46
Obtuse-AngelApr 1, 2026
+33
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that anyone in this administration, or the sitting congress, give a f*** what is and isn’t legal. Trump has gone full “what I say goes” authoritarianism, and they’re letting him. If he wants to leave NATO it’s pretty much a done deal, unfortunately. The midterms won’t save us, there are no more checks and balances.
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Mathemeatloaf0Apr 1, 2026
+21
Congress, fungress….what do these clowns care about Congress and actual rules???
The man has been spewing lies about mail in ballots, then he himself actually votes by mail and shortly after signs an EO to eliminate mail in ballots. It is absolute rules for thee, none for me.
21
Rabid_LederhosenApr 1, 2026
+23
And what would the consequences be if he simply ignores that and does it anyway?
23
RedShirt1991Apr 1, 2026
+18
Nothing. Congress and the SCOTUS would never move to impeach or otherwise enforce any punishment.
18
Glad-Total-6621Apr 1, 2026
+6
And Vance called him America's Hitler
6
WhatDoADCApr 1, 2026
+11
Since when do these traitors care about the rules?
11
CavthenaApr 1, 2026
+4
That hasn't stopped him before. What are they going to do, b**** to the media about it for a day or two?
4
Cynical_ClassicistApr 1, 2026
+19
And you'll probably have Putin offering to recognise it, in exchange for...
19
thesyldonApr 1, 2026
+20
NATO is not the reason Trump pulled back. He was warned of the consequences of pissing off all nations that the US relies on for economic stability.
[https://washingtonmonthly.com/2026/01/27/trump-greenland-invasion-economic-risk/](https://washingtonmonthly.com/2026/01/27/trump-greenland-invasion-economic-risk/)
Not being in NATO would make no difference to this becoming a reality if he decided to d*** about.
20
AlanVega_WorldApr 1, 2026
+92
Outside the US nobody believes the US/Trump would actually come to aid if attacked by Russia anyway. We all know the US is a traitor country.
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QuazzApr 1, 2026
+9
Only way they would is if they can make an insane amount of money of it.
9
philasurfer2Apr 1, 2026
+156
good let's make it official. the US is an international pariah. let's stop pretending.
Americans voted for this and now they are going to get it and all the acceleration in its declining empire that comes along with it.
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rebbsitorApr 1, 2026
+50
> good let's make it official. the US is an international pariah. let's stop pretending.
This is the desired outcome, but the goal is to weaken NATO/the west. The wedge being created between the US and the rest of the west is designed to damage everyone. Russian and China primarily benefit from it, keep that in mind.
50
the_nut_braApr 1, 2026
+34
Not all of us, but alas you are correct. Never been more ashamed of my country than I was when these idiots put this dude in office a second time. The killer is the people that voted for it won’t blame Trump or themselves. It’s always Biden and Obama.
34
BannedAgain12341Apr 1, 2026
+331
NATO would celebrate if he leaves.
331
LostnFoundAgainAgainApr 1, 2026
+366
It just means he's going to target Greenland again without having the weight of NATO commitments being pushed on him, although I doubt he understands what commitments actually means.
366
Idainaru_YokuboApr 1, 2026
+67
would you trust the current US military to say no to Trump ordering them to invade Greenland or Canada
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GriffinFlashApr 1, 2026
+18
as a Canadian, no, not at all. They are currently working to take Alberta, although no one seems to realize.
I believe they will do whatever they are told to do, be it fly a helicopter near a celebrities house, attack their own citizens, and invade ally nations.
18
ChillersApr 1, 2026
+42
They absolutely would. They train their lives for war, they yearn for it
42
FirstnaymlastnaymApr 1, 2026
+60
A lot of them are just really f****** stupid too.
60
Commercial-Milk4706Apr 1, 2026
+40
To be fair, Americans built the educational system to fail for certain people and at the same time promote joining the army as a way out of those places. Cards are stacked.
40
FirstnaymlastnaymApr 1, 2026
+21
That's the f****** truth. There was an Army recruiting office across the street from my high school.
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HauntedCemeteryApr 1, 2026
+5
They're *in* many American high schools.
5
Time-Weekend-8611Apr 1, 2026
+8
There was some marine grunt on Listnook a couple months back who said that if he were given orders to invade Greenland, he'd hate it but he would go along with it and so would everyone else.
You obey the chain of command no matter what. This is conditioned into every recruit right from boot camp.
8
gouveia00Apr 1, 2026
+266
NATO will also Article 5 his ass without any of the weight of attacking a member.
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hikealotApr 1, 2026
+138
This!
Trump is malicious, but he’s also an imbecile. If he had half a brain, he’d realize that even if he hates NATO, staying in precludes article 5 being invoked against a Greenland invasion.
Then again, he’s obsessed with adding to the US map precisely because he’s an imbecile, so here we are.
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broccoleetApr 1, 2026
+121
If NATO doesn’t protect Greenland due to a technicality with the U.S. still being part of NATO, then the agreement was bullshit anyway
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LookitsTobyApr 1, 2026
+45
There isn't any precedent for this (why would there be, attacking your closest allies is insane), I don't see anything in [NATO's own descriptions](https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/collective-defence-and-article-5) that exempt the US for being a member. In fact from the following quote (emphasis mine) they might be specifically not exempt: "NATO takes a 360-degree approach to collective defence, protecting against **all threats from all directions**." We could even be in the depressingly fun position whereby the US is obligated to defend Greenland against attacks it is making.
While leaving NATO would be an exceptionally stupid thing to do, it would do nothing legally to affect article 5 being triggered or not. Obviously it would be politically easier to do against a non-member, but at the point where the US actually invades the political position is pretty fucked already. At least Putin is having a good laugh.
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LoneSnarkApr 1, 2026
+18
There is precedent. Turkey and Greece had a bit of war between them. NATO ignored it if i recall.
18
LookitsTobyApr 1, 2026
+30
That's true but neither invoked article 5 which doesn't really do anything for precedence.
30
ThunderOblivionApr 1, 2026
+32
Americans are imbeciles and this is where we are now.
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NhylXApr 1, 2026
+11
Having wars on multiple fronts has always ended well...
11
PatriarkApr 1, 2026
+164
That’s obviously not true. And in fact separating the US from NATO speaks volumes about how inconsistent American worldview and foreign policy have become.
NATO is an American project to bring post-ww2 Europe within American sphere of influence and within their military industrial complex. It was built from Washington. Its primary role was to counter Soviet. This boogeyman is gone, but it still makes little sense to say «NATO would celebrate if he leaves». There is no NATO without the US.
Almost all of the chain of command and logistics lead back to the US.
I guess what you really meant was Europe would celebrate, but that is not true either. Putin and Xi would celebrate because they defeated the strongest alliance in modern history without directly going to war against it.
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richardas97Apr 1, 2026
+47
Yes. I am all for hating the current administration, but lets not downplay the role America still plays in European security. Investments in European weaponry, less reliance on America is in the works, but it has been a fairly recent shift and it will take time. Europe would not celebrate US leaving, although I do think that NATO would survive, however the threat of it would be significantly decreased
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quasteApr 1, 2026
+20
> There is no NATO without the US.
Of course it is. The remaining countries are still stronger than alone, and UK and France would still provide a nuclear deterrent
It’s weaker by far but still needed hence it will exist
20
ScottamusApr 1, 2026
+27
As would Putin
27
SkinnedItApr 1, 2026
+2031
He can f*** all the way off. Nothing about this Iran situation is NATO business.
2031
Rummy_TummyApr 1, 2026
+272
He wants nothing more than for NATO to intervene, as it would give Putin the justification he needs to state that NATO is an aggressive, not defensive alliance.
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MechasteelApr 1, 2026
+47
Putin has been known to state thing without justification.
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GlitteringLock9791Apr 1, 2026
+41
Putin, like Trump or Netanyahu, doesn‘t need justification, they just make up whatever.
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NOT_EVEN_THAT_GUYApr 1, 2026
+6672
there it is
russia's plan all along
6672
pete_68Apr 1, 2026
+2047
Putin couldn't be more proud. His little boy is gonna do it.
2047
Ecstatic_Bee6067Apr 1, 2026
+482
Luckily he can't. Congress passed a law in 23 that prohibits the president from unilaterally withdrawing from treaties
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the_hair_of_aenarionApr 1, 2026
+683
One thing we know about trump is that he's a stickler for the rules!
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FlightlessGriffinApr 1, 2026
+150
Don't think that matters. The Act Rubio himself spearheaded requires a 2/3 majority of Congress to agree to withdrawal. The second he announces withdrawal, it's halted until the SCOTUS gets to it. It's far likelier (and nearly as dangerous and exactly what Putin demanded before the Ukraine war) if Trump treats NATO as a 2 tiered alliance. Some countries worthy of defense and some not.
150
P5MancheroApr 1, 2026
+128
You don’t need to actually leave nato technically to abandon it practically. Trump is the commander in chief he simply wouldn’t command our forces to defend nato countries in the event of article 5 being invoked.
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the_hair_of_aenarionApr 1, 2026
+77
Yep it's like quiet quitting. Technically a member, don't show up for team events. Hell he could actively publish nato comms forcing us to kick them out.
Many ways to quit something you don't want to do without saying the words.
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skyper_markApr 1, 2026
+20
Which would mean the US having all of their military assets on NATO soil confiscated and US arm manufacturers losing like 60% of their income because NATO won't buy stuff from the US anymore
20
zoidberg3000Apr 1, 2026
+57
Like the law that he can’t start a war without congress* approval?
Edit: autocorrect doesn’t like me
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cooperiaApr 1, 2026
+10
If we ever want to recover from this, Congress has got to get their act together and do a LOT more of this. Take some power back, cofidy some damn norms, etc.
10
sharpedge_007_adityaApr 1, 2026
+14
Didn't stop him from pulling out of IMF and World Bank
14
ifurmothronlyknwApr 1, 2026
+390
Anyone with half a brain could see this coming. He was supporting Russia out in the open. Imagine what happened behind closed doors. It makes you think about all the intelligence officials who enabled this and looked the other way over the last decade.
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boldandbratscheApr 1, 2026
+96
Don't worry. They have cushy lap dog positions now, insider information making them rich in the stock market, and they also have access to all the children they want. They're exactly where they planned to be.
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sunlightsyrupApr 1, 2026
+9
Its nice that they all get to be parents now /s
9
HauntedCemeteryApr 1, 2026
+29
The CIA released a public statement/dire warning saying that agents and assets across the world were being killed at such a rate that the only possibility was that someone at the very top of the trump admin was selling or trading asset lists to hostile foreign governments and agencies.
This is the CIA equivalent of standing at the 50 yard line in the middle of the super bowl with a bullhorn screaming "WARNING!". They virtually never put out public statements about *anything*, let alone something this direct.
29
External-Praline-451Apr 1, 2026
+218
Close the Strait, leave it to the rest of the world to fix and Europe amidst an energy crisis.
And a perfect set-up for leaving NATO.
If not a Russian asset, why Russian-asset shaped?
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ScooptiWoop5Apr 1, 2026
+15
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…
15
cutoffs89Apr 1, 2026
+14
* Trump visited Moscow in July 1987 (his first trip to the USSR), invited after meeting Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin in New York. The trip was arranged with high-level Soviet help, and his hotel room (and movements) would almost certainly have been monitored/bugged by the KGB, as was routine for foreign visitors.
* About two months later (September 1987), he spent nearly $95,000 on full-page ads in *The New York Times*, *Washington Post*, and *Boston Globe* criticizing U.S. allies (Japan, Saudi Arabia, and implicitly NATO partners) for freeloading on American defense spending. He argued the U.S. should stop "paying to defend countries that can afford to protect themselves."
* Former KGB officers (e.g., Yuri Shvets in Craig Unger's *American Kompromat*, and others like Alnur Mussayev or Sergei Zhyrnov in later claims) have alleged Trump was cultivated as an "asset" (not a formal agent), fed "active measures" talking points about weakening NATO and American overextension, and that Moscow celebrated the ad as a success. Some claim he received the codename "Krasnov."
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tweek-in-a-boxApr 1, 2026
+18
Conspiracy theory or not, but I doubt Krasnov could have done a better job.
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pedergogikkApr 1, 2026
+70
Rubio co-wrote the bill to curtail the presidents power to pull out. Now he is in the admin who is going to ignore that exact law. Republicans are spineless. Only positive is that they are DONE as a political force after Trump. Utter disgrace.
70
RagefireHypeApr 1, 2026
+68
We said that after his first term and he got reelected..
68
thethirdllamaApr 1, 2026
+25
We also said that after GWB.
25
odaalApr 1, 2026
+16
say what u want but russias blackmail and useful idiot game is the best in the entire world by far
they suck at anything that's not built upon lies,deceit and subterfuge
16
Huskies2988Apr 1, 2026
+669
Great so lets get the timeline:
Mad at NATO for Ukraine
Mad at NATO for not spending enough
Threatens to abandon NATO
Starts war with Iran
Wins War (trademark)
Hasn't won war so asks for help
Help is denied since we started it
Mad that others wont help him win the won war
Moves goal from regime change to open strait (which was open before we bombed them)
Says we will pull out even if the strait isn't opened
Now threatens to pull out of NATO because of our own self-made war
669
spaceman1055Apr 1, 2026
+262
Hey you forget the part where he threatened at least two NATO allies with annexation by either economic force or military force! You know, the things friends do to each other!
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LaserGuidedPolarBearApr 1, 2026
+114
And the part where Russia's economy was severely hurting, and then Trump disrupted 20% of the world's oil supply and lifted oil sanctions on Russia, effectively saving their economy.
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AgifemApr 1, 2026
+30
He also lifted sanctions on Iran, after the attack.
30
ArcticCeltApr 1, 2026
+19
Something people forget is that, regarding Canada, he initially said it could be done in any way, not just economically, and refused to rule out military force to take Canada. Then, a couple of weeks later, he said, "of course I meant by economic force," which is still batshit insane, threatening an ally and long-time partner like that. So yes, Canadians remember the not-so-subtle military threats that he latter "retconned".
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ArrivesLateApr 1, 2026
+36
Lest we forget the Epstein files.
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MobiusNakedApr 1, 2026
+52
You forgot the parts:
Calls allies rapists
Calls allied troops cowards (Britain lost a bunch of young soldiers in US wars - a lot because they have the guts to do night time patrols)
Throws tariffs on countries that have trade surplus with the US
Threatens to invade a Nato country
Makes money out of Ukraine
Threatens Ukraine with mineral shakedown
Agrees terms with Putin for Ukraines surrender without talking to Ukraine or negotiating at all
Is a paedo.
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kk16Apr 1, 2026
+6
This f****** piss baby has spent his entire life just getting whatever he wants, he literally cannot handle anyone not doing what he demands. He can go ahead and get the USA out of NATO, we will be just fine without them.
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pessimistkonsulentenApr 1, 2026
+882
Surely the US military-industrial complex would be upset if they exited NATO?
882
HFOisBestApr 1, 2026
+410
The military operations in the middle east profit from the US military bases in Europe. If they leave NATO, then they will probably lose those bases. This also gives China the signal to invade Taiwan, because if the USA doesn't give a damn about their cultural cousins in Europe, then why should they help Taiwan?
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Billy_The_Squid_Apr 1, 2026
+158
I think China is far more likely to play the long game on Taiwan, it'd be a borderline impossible task for them even without US help and their government seems far less prone to make impulsive moves than the US and Russia.
More likely they slowly up the political and economic pressure to weaken Taiwan than try to conduct the most logistically challenging naval invasion in history with a largely untested armed forces. That's just my opinion though, the signals from their government seems to be that they want to take over the US position as a stable global economic power, a bitched naval invasion of Taiwan would absolutely torpedo that.
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Big_Commercial_525Apr 1, 2026
+43
They're smart if they try to win hearts & minds, get a CCP friendly party elected in Taiwan, promise autonomy and 30 years later absorb it. War is just net loss.
Not emulating the U.S or colonial era Europe is all China needs to do.
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EPZOApr 1, 2026
+17
Yeah, I don't think they want to invade Taiwan if they can avoid it. Near impossible to do without damaging the chip factories. They are probably waiting until the US is just completely incapable of supporting an independent Taiwan then using the threat of its force to push Taiwan into a treaty or something.
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Money_Do_2Apr 1, 2026
+10
Or until the benefits of joining China outweighs america. We're trashing all our allies, we threatened greenland, are abandoning the Eurozone via NATO, and we showed every single GCC country they exist as missile sponges at the beheast of Israel.
Oh and Korea. We pulled their missile batteries, also for Israel.
Why the f*** would Taiwan roll the dice on american 'allyship' now?
10
ExtremeRemarkable891Apr 1, 2026
+43
China won't invade Taiwan because they are smart. They will posture and prepare for it, as a means to keeping their military trained up, and eventually Taiwan will fall right into their lap. They have significant latitude in terms of political and economic pressure to absorb Taiwan like an ameoba without firing a shot or spending a dime beyond their usual military spending. In many ways Taiwan is already under their sphere of influence regardless of what Is said and postured. Chinese leadership looks ahead 5, 10, and 100 years ahead and I'm guessing they see Taiwan coming under their complete control within those time-frames without having to waste money on missiles or risk destruction of the valuable Taiwanese manufacturing facilities.
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tittysprinkles112Apr 1, 2026
+40
Microchips and the failed effort to bring microchip production to the US
40
korinth86Apr 1, 2026
+37
>failed
The word is sabotaged.
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HauntedCemeteryApr 1, 2026
+8
Trump gave it away for a handful of cash for himself.
8
RedDragonRoarApr 1, 2026
+6
He couldn't let it be successful because it was a Biden accomplishment.
6
afreshstart2015Apr 1, 2026
+1625
Hopefully countries dont fall for this pedophiles blackmail
To quote what was said by others
You start a fire
You put it out
NATO is a defensive alliance and not for rogue members to start wars and drag others in
The Next US president is going to have fun on damage control after the next election
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fredagsfiskApr 1, 2026
+500
> The Next US president is going to have fun on damage control after the next election
The bigger problem, assuming we even get to that point soon, is that all the damage control needed (both internally *and* externally) *will* be painful for Americans... and a significant % of voters will blame the person doing the damage control rather than the one who did the damage in the first place.
There needs to be some significant changes made to the American political system, and to the mindsets of tens of millions of Americans, before things can really start improving.
500
pepperino132Apr 1, 2026
+95
If nothing else, without institutional reform to prevent this happening again the US will remain an untrustworthy partner.
95
CavillOfRiviaApr 1, 2026
+63
Next president does a redemption tour all over the world just for you fuckers to elect a bigger clown 4 years later.
The US cant be trusted ever again and thats it.
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NewMilleniumBoyApr 1, 2026
+18
Yeah I think I could have forgiven the US after one Trump term. But after that? Shame on me for trusting them again.
18
uller30Apr 1, 2026
+170
Assuming they will allow for a feee election.
170
treehumper83Apr 1, 2026
+36
There will indeed be a fee election. One in which only the rich can afford to cast their votes… for each other.
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Feisty_Blood_6036Apr 1, 2026
+123
I can’t believe people still think there’s going to be a real election.
Trump signed an EO yesterday for a national voter roll. Highly illegal and without any authority. But that not the point. The point is to create chaos and confusion, so that they can try force a contested election. By doing so, state delegations gain more power, which in turn gives the GOP more power to control the outcome
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scionoflogicApr 1, 2026
+30
The playbook is blatant and obvious. They’re going to try and rig the election as much as they can to “win” by discrediting mail in votes, having ICE at the polling stations, and any other number of shady tactics. Come Election Day any results that swing things too far that they don’t like will be declared fake or rigged and discredited. They’ll simply refuse to accept results that show any outcome they don’t like.
30
treehumper83Apr 1, 2026
+42
All of it is smoke and mirrors. Project 2025 is still the playbook.
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J0E_SpRaYApr 1, 2026
+23
Other nations should stop engaging with him and engage with governors directly. Show the world he has no clothes.
23
Basicyeti837Apr 1, 2026
+330
It’s nice to see Trump is finding ways to make Putin’s wishes come true. Well, not wishes… Putin’s orders to Trump. Same difference.
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blunted1Apr 1, 2026
+24
The fact that most people don't get this is amazing to me! Everything Trump does benefits Russia.
24
Ryan_e3pApr 1, 2026
+269
If not Russian asset, why Russian asset shaped?
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AsinineArchonApr 1, 2026
+24
TIL Russian assets are shaped like melted candles
24
CallmeKahnApr 1, 2026
+164
Okay, who wants to tell him?
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anachronistic_circusApr 1, 2026
+84
and to the rest of listnook apparently
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razzyspazzyApr 1, 2026
+72
It requires congress approval.
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ApathyMooseApr 1, 2026
+45
well lucky for him 50% of congress sucks his fat gouty toes and licks his too big shoes. They will do anything he asks.
The right are so scared they will lose some power and voters they will do whatever daddy pedo says.
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Sal1160Apr 1, 2026
+18
He needs 60 votes. Even if he managed to get all of them to vote yes, he’s 10 votes short
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MrsMiterSawApr 1, 2026
+5
7. The GOP has a slight lead plus Fetterman apparently believes his job is to rubberstamp whatever Trump wants.
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KingBlackToofApr 1, 2026
+13
I think we all know this, but that hasn't stopped him from doing MANY things without them he shouldn't be able to.
EVEN if he does it, and then it gets undone later in trails and stuff the damage will be done.
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RobertJ93Apr 1, 2026
+11
He literally does not give a single f***. He will do what we wants. Congress will let him. Because that’s what they’ve done since the day he stepped into office.
It’s infuriating.
11
wggnApr 1, 2026
+8
demolishing the east wing of the white house required congress approval as well
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Geo_NLApr 1, 2026
+223
Seems pretty clear to me Americans need to get rid of this unstable narcissistic criminal. He's going to take the world down with him otherwise. This needs to stop. But don't just end with stopping Trump, this goes way deeper. There is a deep rot at its core. Just look at others like Vance, Musk, Thiel, the Heritage Foundation, There has to be a serious revolution of somekind.
All signs are pretty clear that:
A) Trump has a fragile ego and is mentally unstable.
B) MAGA movement is actively trying to destroy the world order. Economically and politically.
C) Who benefits? A couple of billionaires filling their pockets with pump & dump schemes and other types of fraud. On top of that other state entities benefit from it, such as Russia. Russia has been profiting of the backs of its citizens in the same way. Hoarding money for the happy few, amidst the post-Soviet Union chaos. Then there is Netanyahu who also has his own reasons for having an endless war.
It has all seriously gone to hell.
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rhubarbsApr 1, 2026
+65
Unfortunately, Trump is the peak symptom of a much deeper disease.
The American consciousness is a curated form of propaganda, anchored in a foundational myth of moral innocence and exceptionalism. Historical or current reality, whether systemic subjugation, broken treaties or persistent inequities would shatter this myth, triggering severe cognitive dissonance.
To resolve it, the truth is neutralized through legalistic sophistry, linguistic sanitization, and institutional erasure. To protect the image, actual virtue is abandoned. Good faith, intellectual honesty and basic decency is sacrificed to keep the myth-identity intact.
It all culminates in a hyper-real political environment that mandates ignorance, elevating leaders who sell the veneer of this fictional past while criminalizing factual critique of the present.
The trap is total, creating a system that destroys its own capacity for self-correction to preserve the comforting lie. It sacrifices a more perfect union for the American Dream, one which you need to be asleep to believe, and the only alternative is waking up to a living nightmare.
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facecalmApr 1, 2026
+8
So you mean like removing one person from a regime wouldn't change anything? Man, I wish we had it seen somewhere last month.
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Mean_Joe_GreeneApr 1, 2026
+9
Americans won’t step up, they’re apathetic and comfortable. The rest of us just need to keep moving away from them and develop nukes of our own.
9
Commercial-Milk4706Apr 1, 2026
+20
Americans want this and this is the work of more then one man.
20
My2centsalldayApr 1, 2026
+51
How transparent can it be. He hates NATO, NATO hates him.
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LaserGuidedPolarBearApr 1, 2026
+11
Trump had absolutely no interest in geopolitics until he went to Moscow.
According to recently discovered documents, during the 80's the KGB was looking for American businessmen, especially in NYC, who could be cultivated as assets to help divide the country and support Russian policy interests.
In 1987, Trump was invited by Soviet officials to visit Moscow. When he returned he spent hundreds of thousands to take out full page ads in papers like the NYT where he parroting Russian policy objectives to get America to weaken NATO.
A former KGB officer has confirmed that Trump was cultivated as an asset by the KGB.
Trump has been a Russian asset since 1987.
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New_Parking9991Apr 1, 2026
+22
does that mean US will have to give more to use bases across europe?
Most deals through nato would be canceled. That means US would have make new bilateral deals with each nation in particular.
I guess he gonna hurt his own country because his ego was hurt?
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CommercialFormal7614Apr 1, 2026
+16
Well he can’t leave unless he gets two-thirds support for it in the senate which he won’t. He’s just going to throw a fit about it for a month or two and make some mean tweets.
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ElTejon_TheDestroyerApr 1, 2026
+50
What does congress have to say about that?
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SweatytubesockApr 1, 2026
+72
Under Mike Johnson, Trump’s personal butt plug? Nothing.
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bier00tApr 1, 2026
+15
Mike will never be aware
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WhybotherrApr 1, 2026
+9
For being 3rd in line for the presidency there is an awful lot that Mr. Johnson is unaware of when it comes respect to how the government is ran. Maybe hes spending too much time not watching his son watch p*** to effectively lead the country.
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rockythecockyApr 1, 2026
+11
Congress passed a law during ~~his first administration~~ Biden's administration ( I could have swore they passed it during Trump's, but I just read that it was actually after) that made it so that only congress could pull the US out of NATO. So if he actually tires, it will get challenged legally very quickly by Democratic lawmakers. I doubt Congress as a whole will do anything though, as Trumps stooges will stop any offical reaction.
More likely Trump signs an EO commanding the military to disengage from NATO- "legally" not leaving the alliance but rather ordering the various branches to no longer work with it in any way. That still probably gets sued into the ground, but would take longer to get overturned and would cause more damage.
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JoonicksApr 1, 2026
+5
The MIC would never allow it and they own congress. Itd be less destructive to nuke Iran.
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rantingathomeApr 1, 2026
+13
As far as I know, he needs congressional approval, and even though they have majorities in both houses, I don't think the GOP would have the votes.
So, while his threat alone causes all sorts of security problems internationally, I don't think the USA could officially leave NATO any time soon.
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audirtApr 1, 2026
+19
I'm pretty sure he definitely doesn't have the votes in the Senate. I doubt he does in the house.
Assuming for a moment that he is serious, leaving NATO would be very complex. Even the MAGA zealots will be forced to confront several painful realities.
For starters, what happens to all of the US bases in NATO countries? I can't imagine a scenario where the US departs NATO but keeps its bases in Germany, UK, Spain, Italy, etc.
If Trump is pissy about the logistics of fighting Iran right now, wait until the bombers have to make roundtrip flights from CONUS.
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Calm-Professional103Apr 1, 2026
+98
It’s surrealistic to watch the US destroy itself because no one has the stones to remove the cause if its destruction.
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jupiterkansasApr 1, 2026
+43
How do you remove an entire political party backed by millions?
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ZellZoyApr 1, 2026
+32
Voting for democrats would be a start but most people stayed home because they've been told both parties are the same.
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OneNormalBlokeApr 1, 2026
+65
Is he throwing his duckie out of the bathtub again?
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BiBoFieToApr 1, 2026
+18
Throw out the duckie? He would never. That's how he lures them into the tub.
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DistanceToEmptyApr 1, 2026
+17
Is the US prepared to lose bases like RAF Lakenheath, Ramstein, Aviano, Incirlik, Pituffik and Diageo Garcia? Can the US build aircraft carriers and logistics ships fast enough to fill that gap in force projection capability?
Is the US prepared to have a huge radar gap over the Arctic from the Yukon, east to Russia?
Why would NATO countries keep playing ball with the US if the US is no longer in NATO?
IMHO, take Hungary with you. Free up NATO to assist Ukraine more.
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NegafoxApr 1, 2026
+13
It's a shame that Republicans are simping for this clown. Everything this clown does is anti-American values and downright illegal. His strategy is "do whatever I want because it'll be too late to stop me when the courts say no"
And, hey folks, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and NVIDIA "donated" towards that ballroom construction that everybody knew wasn't legal to begin with
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Camderman106Apr 1, 2026
+14
I don’t understand why he thinks NATO is relevant to this situation. It’s a defensive alliance. The second you start offensive action its no longer defence. NATO isn’t involved
If he wanted international support he should have done it through the UN like how it they did for operation desert shield/storm. These systems exist, he just didn’t use them.
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WardenEdgewiseApr 1, 2026
+116
The US needs to be put in a time out.
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EatinSumGrapesApr 1, 2026
+103
The US needs an operation to remove its cancer
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SexyChernyshevskyApr 1, 2026
+17
Honestly it makes sense why other countries have coup d’état’s
17
sachipreciousApr 1, 2026
+11
How convenient for putin. trump makes up an absolutely nonsense, BS excuse to try to get the US out of NATO. Exactly what putin wants. Sickening.
>The U.S. president, a long-time critic of the alliance, went on to call NATO a "paper tiger" and said Russian President Vladimir Putin shares that opinion.
trump is openly declaring that he and putin share the same opinion. He's not even trying to hide the fact that he's working with putin.
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robodrewApr 1, 2026
+12
Donald Trump is the biggest piece of shit in the entire world.
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tranquilseafinallyApr 1, 2026
+30
He wants to attack Greenland and Canada. This way he can.
Canadians know that this is his long game. We are preparing as much as we can.
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Downtown_Soil_3651Apr 1, 2026
+7
Congress literally made it so he couldn't do that before he took office.
I hate how he says "I'M going to leave NATO" as if he's the entirety of the US.
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viccityguy2kApr 1, 2026
+17
Not America Treaty Organization
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Fire_Z1Apr 1, 2026
+7
Russia owns Trump
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Chris_0288Apr 1, 2026
+10
Putin has played an absolute blinder with this imbecile.
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SchneidzeugApr 1, 2026
+9
Do it!
Then pack your f****** Stuff and get your Bases out of Europe the next day. There is no need then to stay here.
It's even better to get the US out of Europe because Trump want's so hard to be with Putin... they pose a security threat now.
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AFlaccoSeagullsApr 1, 2026
+5
Really hard to overstate how much all of this shit is self-inflicted because Donald Trump and his entire cabinet are some of the dumbest people to *ever* hold political office.
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DannyBlue-22Apr 1, 2026
+5
I'm sure USA will still be a superpower when they suddenly lose access to good 70% of their bases overseas
5
chadericApr 1, 2026
+1
Force him out. He’s a Russian and Isreal asset, not NATO, not USA.
1
AhindreApr 1, 2026
+13
He’s been considering this for 10 years. It’s not new, it’s just new that he said it again.
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RedShirtCashionApr 1, 2026
+6
As an American, I should say I’m shocked and appalled at this, but……..unfortunately I’m not. The man wants it to go his way and is not happy when it doesn’t. He doesn’t understand the meaning of no, and likes to surround himself with both yes men and powerful people, which includes, unfortunately, strongmen who rule countries with an iron fist.
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pattyG80Apr 1, 2026
+5
He was ordered to leave NATO by Putin. He's just being a good employee
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nightninja13Apr 1, 2026
+7
NATO is supposed to be a defensive pact not a call your friends to bail you out of your own problems pact. - sincerely a concerned citizen
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Evilkenevil77Apr 1, 2026
+6
Remember guys he is NOT a Russian asset 😉
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FlinterSellApr 1, 2026
+6
What a bunch of foolish beta traitors and sheeple. NATO is the only thing keeping western world safe. USA is only country that used article 5 after 911, and NATO responded. The pedo in chief is just upset that NATO members won't help him in an illegal offensive war. As a reminder to those sheeple, lest they forgot, NATO is a defensive alliance that follows international law. Trump's just throwing a tantrum, and is making America weaker, and more vulnerable than it has been in 80 years.
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flexylolApr 1, 2026
+1
He and many MAGA Neanderthals believe this as being a threat, because in their demented fantasies, the EU is desperately relying on the US, including the belief that the US is paying so we have free healthcare :) In their Kindergarten brains, EU would collapse without the US :)
This is ironic, given that the US has bases, hubs and army hospitals all over EU, and just these last weeks BEGGED the UK, or Spain and other EU countries for flyovers and other support for THEIR operations in Middle East.
I believe Trump is so demented he actually doesn't even KNOW what the real purpose of NATO even is, and given the recent statements by Hegseth and now Rubio, one can assume these two as well, along with most others in this admin, are "mentally not all there"....ie. religious nutcases and other types of mental illness. (Which we can see proof for every single day).
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enp_reddApr 1, 2026
+1
and close all the us nato bases? what a fool
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Beastw1ckApr 1, 2026
+5
NATO is a defensive alliance. It’s not a “hey come help me with all my unnecessary military adventures” alliance. This is 100% insane and 110% what Putin wants.
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dowdymeatballsApr 1, 2026
+6
He legally can't do this unilaterally, he can proclaim it all he wants but it doesn't make it legally binding.
To legally withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty, a president must obtain:
* A two-thirds supermajority vote in the Senate (the "advice and consent" process); OR
* An Act of Congress (a standard bill passed by both the House and the Senate).
This was formalized in late 2023 through the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2024, which included a specific provision to prevent any president from unilaterally withdrawing from the alliance.
To rescind this Act, he would still need both Congressional and Senate approval.
Of course he could just refuse cooperation, which is what has already been happening.
So basically, status quo?
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MistrblankApr 1, 2026
+4
Title should actually say:
Moron president doesn't understand NATO is a defensive org.
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jrob321Apr 1, 2026
+6
This has been 46 years in the making. It is a Republican fever dream being fully realized.
The Republican party could stop all of this in an instant, yet - despite everything being destroyed before our eyes - they won't.
Donald Trump is the useful idiot the Republican party has been searching for all along.
Doing the collective bidding of the ultra wealthy, they have wanted to tear this country down from within to destroy the social safety net by dragging it into the bathroom and drowning it in the bathtub.
They don't care how it looks from the outside. Trump is the means to their end, and they won't lift a finger to stop him.
We're fucked.
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don0tpanicApr 1, 2026
+4
I'm tired of pretending trump isn't a Russian asset and if you supported him you aren't a traitor.
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WOTEugeneApr 1, 2026
+5
Just doing putin’s bidding because he is putin’s asset. This whole Iran operation - the sole beneficiary is Putin. Dropped oil sanctions. High oil price. Cherry on top: dismantling NATO. Bravo Mr Putin. Bravo. 👏
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quietimhungoverApr 1, 2026
+4
Where's that meme of the guy riding his bike and sticking the stick in the wheel, causing himself to crash? Yeah that's Donald "the pedo" Trump
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oivaizmirApr 1, 2026
+5
Obviously it would be a hard transition, but as a Canadian I think a rump NATO perhaps allied with Aus / Japan / SK / NZ could be a power of equal to the US or China, and would be a more aligned 'rules based order' than what madman President America chooses to elect.
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SnailLikeAttitudeApr 1, 2026
+1
He's considering an exit after insulting all its members and calling the organization useless and then gets into a conflict where those same nations don't want to be involved in
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CheesecakeHorror3410Apr 1, 2026
+1
Trump is owned by the Russians. If he feels that his presidency can't survive beyond the midterms, he's likely to try to inflict maximum damage on the transatlantic alliance, while burning American democracy to the ground on his way out.
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lordofburdsApr 1, 2026
+1
Not gonna happen he needs congressional approval and even if all Republicans vote to leave he'd still need 10 more and I doubt that many would vote to leave anyways
1
FujiKitakyushoApr 1, 2026
+10
...because wirhdrawing from a defensive alliance right at peak "every other country on Earth hates you" is a power move.
Or something.
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foghillgalApr 1, 2026
+7
Frack do it and stop yacking about it. Right now not sure you wouldn\`t side with damn Russia anyway.
Close all your damn bases, that goes with those the countries in the Alliance has outside Europe. Good luck projecting power when you have to carry everything on a boat with a fire in its toilets. Cause that\`s were this is heading.
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illuminatiisnowhereApr 1, 2026
+4
He´s like a f****** 5 year old.
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diligent_twerkerApr 1, 2026
+4
Literally the biggest Russian asset. Putin couldn't have ever dreamed the amount of damage Trump has caused to the US.
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LawsmayApr 1, 2026
+5
Exit NATO is on my Putin puppet bingo card.
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Agitated_Reveal_6211Apr 1, 2026
+5
Everything Trump does seems to benefit Russia in the end
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reigenxApr 1, 2026
+5
I'm afraid we're gonna witness fall of Rome after almost 2000 years again. You don't need enemies outside when you have already inside. And he's sitting on a f****** throne.
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