Good thing we completely obliterated their navy when this thing started right? There's no fast attack ships left to do that with, right?
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alexjbuck5 days ago
+52
Fwiw, the conventional Iranian Navy (IRIN) appears to have been largely eliminated (lots of photos of them being struck in port largely) but the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN) which is basically only little fast boats may still have some capability.
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Egad865 days ago
+2
I was under the impression that the IRGC was better funded and better equipped than the IRIN.
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I-figured-it-out4 days ago
+1
There are reports of a carrier -the most protected of US navel vessels departing theatre damaged by small drones and speedboats. The efficacy of those vaunted US ship to ship weapons seems a little underwhelming.
Swarms of gnats, are bloody hard to wholly eliminate.
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
-22
Great point, I wonder if sailors will appreciate this fact when they are under attack by IRGC fast attack boats
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Bruvvimir5 days ago
+12
Those boats are the equivalent of a Hilux with an MG mounted at the back. Don't think the US Navy is particularly concerned.
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+4
That's reassuring, so the US Navy should be able to reopen the strait without any issues then, right?
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Substantial-Reward705 days ago
+5
Reopen? Why? If they’re closing it right now.
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TopofthePyramid5 days ago
+12
You seem a little slow, so let me assist.
They are not a threat to the US Navy. A commercial vessel is a different story.
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SporksInjected5 days ago
+1
I don’t think the navy is escorting anyone.
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External_Counter3785 days ago
+1
Right because the US has never been defeated with improvised weapons
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Responsible-Ad-10865 days ago
+3
Am from the UK so know this didn’t need /S…. However other countries listnookors have no sarcasm detectors
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DeadlyFern5 days ago
-5
Oh you sweet summers child.
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[deleted]5 days ago
+8
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savuporo5 days ago
-1
Last year Houthis got a F-18 off USS Truman just by existing. Hubris isn't helpful
-1
FostertheReno5 days ago
+10
Their biggest win is a plane falling off the deck because an aircraft carrier did an evasive maneuver…
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[deleted]5 days ago
+7
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DarthShiv5 days ago
+1
Yeah the US was completely ok with that debacle
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lefix5 days ago
They don’t need to, they are threatening cargo ships, not the US navy. And now the US navy does the job for them.
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anomie895 days ago
+17
I mean, the US navy vessel will probably just blow them up fairly quickly.
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I-figured-it-out5 days ago
-20
With what ammo?
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fury4205 days ago
+20
With America's still barely touched stockpiles of anti-ship weaponry.
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Odd-Seaworthiness8265 days ago
-15
Unlikely, shooitng $5m missiles is a losing equation. The US has been using been using a-10 as the counter to IRGC boats.
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HyenaThen5725 days ago
+4
You realize that our ships have traditional munitions for this kind of thing, right?
It's literally why the 5 inch navel gun even exists.
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Odd-Seaworthiness8265 days ago
-1
A single gun, even multiple guns is not an effective solution
It lacks the range and speed to handeling a 1500 boat getting in range to launch torpedos.
It was not designed to handle a swarm.
This was literally the scenario that was exposed in the 2002 millennium challenge.
During the games Marine Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper sunk a US fleet using a swarm of attack boats.
Iran has modeled their defense after those games
The A-10 is the counter to that. Its has the range, armour, ammo to handle this threat.
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HyenaThen5725 days ago
+4
You think a 1500 boat swarm is going to be put together? Not a chance in hell.
They don't have torpedos btw. It's not WW2 anymore.
The only possible way for these to threaten a US ship is with missiles that are easily defeated by CWIS.
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+18
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Successful-Medicine95 days ago
+9
I think they mean what kind of ammo, which is also a strange question. Maybe they think US Navy vessels are only armed for conventional warfare against similar sized ships? Idk
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supercali455 days ago
-18
US military is weak as shit right now except for
The big bombs .. all the competent Generals are gone
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Based-God-5 days ago
+3
the big gun they have on the front of every warship and 25mm auto canons or 50. cal machine guns if they get too close for the big gun.
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Odd-Seaworthiness8265 days ago
+7
A-10, a burst of 30mm will shred a fast attack boat.
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timkyoung5 days ago
+3
Aren't there also, like, ship-based attack helicopters that could handle this role as well? (I don't know. GPT told me that was an available option.)
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Odd-Seaworthiness8265 days ago
Not that im aware of. Helis fly low enough to be in range of the boats guns and lack the armor of an a-10. Perhaps as support or cleanup.
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Majestic-Attitude6155 days ago
-1
it's a good idea - but you would have to keep a lot of assets in the air all the time for that much coastline - and I don't know how long we would be willing to sustain that much activity - they would probably wait for things to die down and take some pot shots - start the activity up again - and - how long could that go on for - I wonder how many drones and tiny boats they have hidden all over the place
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Odd-Seaworthiness8265 days ago
+3
A10s have a long time on station and they dont need to fly until movements is detected.
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Boyhowdy1075 days ago
+19
Fast attack boats against the US Navy would be a suicide mission. There is always a chance when it comes to guerilla warfare, but still.
However, Trump is missing the point. The fast attack boats aren't about threatening the navy, they're about threatening commercial trade. I would assume we all have played a video game enough to know e***** missions suck. Shit that wouldn't threaten you head-to-head can still cause a mission failure by hitting the stuff you are trying to protect, or force you into an disadvantageous spot you wouldn't normally position yourself in to try and protect something else. So Trump's threat is basically chest beating about a tactic the IRGC probably isn't considering and a scenario that is not the one crucial to what the US considers it's (recently established) objective in the war.
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UncleLazer5 days ago
+2
Cool. Now I have some Elder Scrolls e***** mission flashbacks.
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wrt-wtf-5 days ago
The US isn’t there to play e*****. They’re there as a blockade.
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YellowBook5 days ago
-1
Underwater drones will be having some fun
-1
Used_Butterfly39595 days ago
+5
Almost certainly, as fast attack craft have practically no weapons that can threaten a modern destroyer.
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toxic0n5 days ago
+1
Have you seen what Ukranian sea drones did to the Russian Navy? Do you think Iran has the capability to build sea drones?
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Colbert20205 days ago
+4
Unlike other Listnookors, I do not underestimate drones. I will say that the US navy is far more competent and would not have had the same losses experienced by Russia. It is all about detection and screening.
Ukraine is absolutely the expert when it comes to this kind of thing. But Iran is not. They do possess sea drones, but they are much slower and cruder than Ukraine's. At least right now. Necessity is the mother of invention and Iran is a large country. They might be able to manufacture c**** naval drones and scale their production in the coming months.
I'm not sure they will be able to if they cannot source the electronics needed.
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Used_Butterfly39595 days ago
+4
Broke, poorly maintained Russian navy? Yes. Second question? No.
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toxic0n5 days ago
I hope you're right and I'm not even American. Assymetric warfare can be tough. See Iranian drones against US AA. Some will get through.
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+2
sounds like it should be super easy to open the strait then?
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Used_Butterfly39595 days ago
+10
Isn't the US closing it?
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+5
I can't keep track any more, this war is so confusing
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[deleted]5 days ago
-6
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Used_Butterfly39595 days ago
+5
Think the US is the one closing it right now. You know with the whole announcement and the ships moving to close it.
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shinku4435 days ago
+3
They're closing it on top of it already being closed by iran. So it's a double negative so I think it's actually open now
You really need to read more than headlines.
The situation before the US "blockaded" the strait is that Iran was giving "permission" for ships to pass through if they paid a toll. These ships assumed they could pass unmolested. Vessels docking at Iranian ports to buy their oil were also permitted to pass.
Iran was ending benefiting from the high oil export prices and the toll. So, the US has put a stop to this. While the war is going on, the US is not allowing any vessel to dock with Iran and also isn't allowing ships to pass if they paid the "toll."
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timkyoung5 days ago
+1
Sending in a naval group who's mission is to prevent any traffic from passing through the strait is a very different task than assuring the safe passage of all civilian ships through the strait.
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Account_no_625 days ago
-4
They've already learned how they would lose from numerous small boats destroying the navy. As k general riper.
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Used_Butterfly39595 days ago
+5
You mean if they break the laws of physics with teleporting motorcycles and multi ton missiles on top of rowboats?
I'm gonna put my money on the USN. Riper was a shit who wanted a soundbite for his consulting work, not a serious adversary. He gamed the engine of his simulation to teleport his ships into a CSG and then keep their defenses off. He then threw a hissy fit after being told he can't win a chess game by throwing his pieces at the opponent and pissing on the board.
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[deleted]5 days ago
+5
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Account_no_625 days ago
-1
They literally had to remake the war games in 2002 because the navy lost. The most expensive games to date, lost 19 ships in less than 10 minutes from a combination of speed boats, missiles, and airplanes without radio communications.
Now the boats are faster and they have more drones than aircraft.
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RiPPeR694205 days ago
-6
Some capability is an understatement. The fast attack boats are similar in or surpass the capability of the Ukrainian drones that have fucked up the Russian navy. They represent the majority of the prewar combat power of the Iranian Navy.
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PrestondeTipp5 days ago
+6
Wow, then Iran is really fucked if that's their prewar combat power
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rhino3695 days ago
+4
And why hasn’t the Iranian gov used these to f*** up the US carrier groups that were pounding Iran for weeks?
Because they can’t actually do it. Maybe in tight quarters, but the US isn’t parked right off Iran.
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posthuman045 days ago
How easy will it be to mistake fishing boats for them?
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Frustrated98765 days ago
+1
Fish populations gunna EXPLODE!!
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euph_225 days ago
+32
We've destroy the Iranian Navy on days 1,2,3,5,8,13 and 21.
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XO1GrootMeester4 days ago
+2
Fibonacci numbers, next claim will be on day 34
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PrestondeTipp5 days ago
+5
Sure, if you consider speedboats a navy
The same way I consider my daughter in T-ball a professional athlete
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MouldyPingu5 days ago
+4
Well it's great to get paid for doing something you love.
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xnmyl5 days ago
+2
They're literally the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Core **Navy**
They're a Navy just like The Bears are a professional football team. Just because they suck doesn't make them not a Navy
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Mr_Industrial4 days ago
+1
I dont think the bears would be a navy even if they were good.
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Common-Concentrate-25 days ago
+8
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-5CTcXn4Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-5CTcXn4Y)
They may not be in the actual water yet - Another thing stored in a tunnel
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Competitive-Fruit-185 days ago
+6
Personally enjoyed their rock disguise at the beginning
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the_jokes_on_u5 days ago
+12
Their formal navy is fundamentally destroyed. Speed boats are hard to assess as part of someone’s navy lol…
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Frustrated98765 days ago
+5
Ukraine doesn’t even HAVE a navy, but Russian ships keep sinking. 🤷♂️
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vreemdevince4 days ago
+1
Their ships sink regardless of being at war/in conflict. It's the nature of Russian vessels.
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TheSleepyTruth5 days ago
+3
These "fast attack ships" would not really constitute a navy by any modern definition. They are literally more akin to small civilian motor boats that can carry a couple dudes with machine guns. Maybe rigged with explosives for a suicide mission.
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treesandcigarettes5 days ago
+2
they've got speedboats stored up in underground bunkers along the coast. by navy they meant all of the significant warships. no speedboat is getting anywhere near a US warship before getting shot down
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daroach14145 days ago
+2
Water boats have been eliminated but lava boats are still a problem
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Sxualhrssmntpanda5 days ago
+2
Even if it were (it's not), that's not the reason they say this.
The reason they say this is so that they have an excuse to blow up anything and anyone they want and then claim it was an honest mistake because they thought it was an Iranian fast attack ship.
Pretty much straight from the IDF playbook.
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geekworking5 days ago
+41
Tens of millions of dollars per missile to shoot at row boats. Military contractors rejoice!
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CRUSTBUSTICUS5 days ago
+7
They have other weapons systems for things like this that are astronomically cheaper per shot.
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+4
Anything to keep the market going up, it's all we have left
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restore_democracy5 days ago
+6
At least the Dow is over 50k!
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+6
Can someone ask Pam what the Dow is at right now?!?!
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timkyoung5 days ago
+3
Pretty sure missiles aren't the first line of defense against fast attack boats. Guns on the ships, helicopters with guns and A-10s with guns would likely be the first choice before missiles. Because, like you said, missiles are expensive. But bullets are relatively c**** in comparison.
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Rustic_gan1235 days ago
Depending on the missile (harpoon, hellfire) up to 1.5 million.
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ikesbutt5 days ago
+23
Dear US Congress......... please grow a spine and get grandpa out of the White House?
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+10
"Best we can do is nothing. 🤷♂️" - Congress
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Sxualhrssmntpanda5 days ago
+3
Congress? How about the 200 million citizens saying they didnt vote for this? The U.S. government have made it *very* clear they will not lift a finger to stop all this and are fine with the constant lies.
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ikesbutt5 days ago
+1
Am almost 72 and can barely take my trash dumpster to the end of the driveway but I wish I could participate in "no kings" protests
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Sxualhrssmntpanda5 days ago
-2
I appreciate your conviction. It is more than most show.
That being said, weekend strolls do not affect the government. They might raise awareness but they will not force change on their own.
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ikesbutt5 days ago
+1
Agree.........maggots need to be voted out of office but I live in a predominantly red state (Missouri) full of maggots. I live in St. Louis which is blue but the rest of the state except for Kansas City and Columbia is red.........full of bigots and dumb asses that have their heads up their asses.
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supercali455 days ago
+4
He has been repeating the same stupid shit since the start of the war
He is fucked and just trying to two week the world’s economy to it’s collapse
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mlody115 days ago
+19
How did we go from "Open the F-n' strait, you crazy b******, or you'll be living in Hell" to we'll destroy any Iranian ship that attempts to open the US blockade of the strait in less than 2 weeks?
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Anfield_Cowboy5 days ago
+11
Blockading does make sense as part of negotiations
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ddollarsign5 days ago
+9
he’s pulling the old bugs bunny trick where you switch sides and your opponent starts arguing for your side so you let them win but really you won
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restore_democracy5 days ago
+2
By “he”, you mean the dead Iranian guy who is outsmarting Trump?
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IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo5 days ago
That would be Bugs Elmer is Trump
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InvestigatorOk93545 days ago
+11
When you have no plan, strategy, or goals anything is possible in 2 weeks time!
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Fateor425 days ago
+4
We didn't.
The blockade is only against Iran not the entire strait.
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Ghola_Mentat5 days ago
+9
He said it applied to anyone paying Iran for passage. Those ships and the Iranian ships are the only ones getting through.
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Hogesyx5 days ago
+1
Can’t wait for US navy to destroy tankers owned by the rest of the world. /s
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Acceptable_Noise6515 days ago
+3
They will just send boarding parties and commandeer the ships, filled oil tankers have value.
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foul_ol_ron5 days ago
+2
If China is getting oil from there, it may lead to interesting times indeed.
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Hogesyx5 days ago
+2
The type of things that gonna works wonder for geopolitics and not a rogue militant. /s
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Richardogod5 days ago
+1
It'll make the us lots of money but screw the rest of the world. But hey, that's what Americans have been doing for a century now.
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mlody115 days ago
+1
Look at me, I'm the captain now. Seriously, that should go over well.
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rhino3695 days ago
+1
Right so Iran is blocking 90% of traffic and the US is blocking the 10% that benefits Iran.
I don’t see what’s confusing people.
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Fateor425 days ago
Cool, but Trump can say whatever he wants to the public, the orders that actually came down to the military however were to blockade Iran ports in specific.
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toxic0n5 days ago
+2
Dementia needs no reason
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[deleted]5 days ago
+12
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Golden-Rule-20245 days ago
+2
It's almost like there never really was a rescued pilot. Are they looking for a non descript person to play one on Faux news....that they can prance around?
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PerfectReflection1555 days ago
+11
Why is the US blocking the straight? Like just wtf is going on there now following the failed negotiations? Is US at War or just throwing its toys around in the water?
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Based-God-5 days ago
+9
because if the gulf countries cant ship their oil the Iranians cant either
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PrestondeTipp5 days ago
+11
Because Iran sells 90% of its oil through the strait. Blockading it effectively cripples Iran's economy.
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ArtisticAd77955 days ago
+4
The US is currently using the blockade as a "Landlord's Leverage" play. By throttling the Strait, they are attempting to force a global dependency on high-priced US energy exports (like LNG) while simultaneously trying to squeeze Iran into a total nuclear surrender.
The "failed negotiations" in Islamabad provided the perfect pretext to shut the door, but the real target is the world economy forcing allies into 20-year "vassalage" contracts under the guise of "maritime safety." It’s less about a war with Iran and more about an economic siege to secure US energy dominance for the next two decades
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Sreg325 days ago
+1
There's so many toys to throw around
Iran blocked it first, toddler Trump didn't like that so blocked it as well. So much blocking and so much unneeded global mayhem. But apparently Trump has anointed himself Jesus now, so all we be good lol
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captHij5 days ago
+6
I was under the impression that trying to sink each other is the kind of things navies are supposed to do during a war. It would be kind of weird if they got together and shared a pleasant tea. It is also an admission that the administration's effort to end the war was a complete failure. A better man would be embarrassed at this kind of public emasculation. Must be nice to not be self aware.
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kraftdinnerwithsalsa5 days ago
+11
Old man shit pants, world reacts
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nn6665 days ago
+7
They will just bomb the boats, is this the dumbest timeline ever? Trump is literally making things worse for the rest of the world because he is an idiot. The world should bomb the US boats. Then we can all live in peace without these morons attacking everyone all the time in the name of "peace".
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PrestondeTipp5 days ago
+6
Oh just bomb the boats. It's so simple, just bomb the most powerful navy in the world.
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nn6665 days ago
+3
Almost as easy as opening the straight huh. They gave up and are joining in on closing it. Sounds like another great idea from Trump.
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TrashCapable5 days ago
+4
I thought the Iranian navy was destroyed?
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Artyparis5 days ago
+2
Sounds like a perfect plan, as usual.
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johnnycyberpunk5 days ago
+5
Ah.
So the Navy will be blowing up random ships (based on Grok or ChatGPT ‘targeting data’) and they already plan to blame it on “Iranian fast attack ships”, whatever that is.
Get ready for more dead Iranian civilians
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Trahst_no15 days ago
+3
He thinks the Iranians are scared to die.
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iDarth5 days ago
+4
Does he think Iranian fast-attack ships will expect flowers and champagne when they come close to the blockade?
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CrabPeopleVibes5 days ago
+3
Can this fat f*** go one day without saying something?
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Blunt_Hadder5 days ago
+3
Blowing up go-fast boats in Caribbean wasn’t enough without any proof now US Terrorist wants to blow up go-fast transport boats in West Asia?
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BOPSurfcasting15 days ago
+2
You block our tankers, we block your tankers, everybody blocks everyone's tankers. Just like a nuclear war nobody wins in a oil war. What follows is oil winter.
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Aggressive-Fail46125 days ago
+2
Great we can spend a million dollars eliminating a $5000 drone jet ski. We learned nothing from the war in Ukraine
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flimsypantaloon5 days ago
+2
Trump is so full of shit that anything he says is ignored.
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Green_Shape_38595 days ago
+1
It’s not a US blockage. It’s an Iranian blockade which the US is copying because they couldn’t defeat the Iranian blockade. A blockade that was the result of unwarranted aggression in the region
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BenMullen25 days ago
+1
ngl: could just be an email to the navy people.
kinda obvi
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-Th3Saints-5 days ago
+1
On a larger body of water Ukraine drove out Russia with defacto no navy.
True Russia is not a naval power and Iran does not have easy access to west tech to build a drone navy but i get the feeling they are going to make an effort.
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catbaloney4 days ago
+1
No way! Really? F****** defense 101. Homie plz shut up. He just has to say something. Try silence. Everyone will like that.
Channel Teddy Roosevelt. Trump's big stick diplomacy is all wrong.
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I-figured-it-out4 days ago
+1
Trump is a genius at gas lighting the markets, pity he is a moron in every other regard!
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pre_pun4 days ago
+1
> total control. Bing bing, bong bong bong, bing bing. You know what that is, right?
We can only hope it's the Fool's Gold Code they gave him for the nukes.
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Moontoya2 days ago
+1
Fabs costing maybe 250k sunk by missiles costing 2million fired from ships costing a million a day to operate
Great return on expenditure, I can hear the military complex springing a chubby
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schu4KSU5 days ago
+1
He’s saying this for one reason. Has been told this stunt is very risky to US sailors if it escalates.
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foul_ol_ron5 days ago
+2
If he can grow the conflict, he can show his voters how brave he is /s
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Accomplished-Moose505 days ago
+1
I have a feeling that this days we will the the first sunken aircraft carrier.
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HippyHunter75 days ago
+1
The f*** is a fast attack ship?
No navys doctrines call for PT boats anymore and modern destroyers don't engage at those ranges.
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Used_Butterfly39595 days ago
+3
Iran's navy has a handful of very old, very obsolete missile and PT boats.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tondar-class\_fast\_attack\_craft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tondar-class_fast_attack_craft)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfighar\_class\_air-defence\_boat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfighar_class_air-defence_boat)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peykaap\_I-class\_torpedo\_boat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peykaap_I-class_torpedo_boat)
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jsnxander5 days ago
+4
A Toyota Hilux with a snorkel kit and propellers.
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rhino3695 days ago
+2
They are likely to be somewhat effective in the strait because it’s so tight.
But the US navy isn’t dumb enough to send vulnerable ships through the strait to get ambushed.
These fast attack boats cannot clear the F-35s patrolling the strait.
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adhq5 days ago
+1
Wannabe tough guy keep trying to play tough. He didn't get the message so far - next message won't be so subtle, me thinks...
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LittleShrub5 days ago
+1
He’ll be golfing though.
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16ozbuddz5 days ago
+1
Let's see if he takes the bait
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BOPSurfcasting15 days ago
+1
5 - 6 weeks this war will take Trump reckoned, we are now at 6 weeks, 2 days with no end in sight.
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deimoshipyard5 days ago
+1
Same system of kill!
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Zatharas15 days ago
+1
The Emperor also shared a lack of concern regarding small, one-manned fighters
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OverlordDontHurtMe5 days ago
+1
Say what you want but no one here would take any amount of money to be in the Iranian navy right now.
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vctrmldrw5 days ago
+3
What Iranian navy? Trump has told us on several occasions that they've been completely destroyed.
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MissInkeNoir5 days ago
+1
"Sampan off the port bow."
If you know you know
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Ragnangar5 days ago
+1
Pretty sure he meant “water boats”.
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Orwick5 days ago
-1
Didn't we already sink all their ships?
-1
Unlucky_Accountant715 days ago
+2
Mom says it's my turn to use this comment on the next Islamic Listnook guard corps post.
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restore_democracy5 days ago
+1
Praise Allah!
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GeeBee725 days ago
I thought all their boats were sunk. Completely wiped out. Sir! But Sir, how can they have boats and no boats at the same time?
The lord works in mysterious ways.
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restore_democracy5 days ago
The same way the Strait can be open and closed at the same time.
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Joyous-Volume-675 days ago
IWouldLikeToSeeThat.Gif
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iMaximilianRS5 days ago
Don’t these guys make drones? Think they can figure out how to make one for the water.
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Ok-Account-17325 days ago
-5
Let the US Admirals do what ever is needed …..period ! LFG
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UdderSuckage5 days ago
+3
Needed for what? Having clear operational goals makes tactical decision-making a lot easier.
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