What is the agreement exactly? There are several reports claiming different points of peace plan and whose points have been considered and agreed upon ?
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my_juicy_nose3 days ago
+255
They should really write these things down.
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worldDev3 days ago
+106
It’s written down in the form of hundreds of contradictory tweets. Is that not good enough?
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MaybeTheDoctor3 days ago
+34
Is this a pick-you-own-reality quest?
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Ikrit1223 days ago
+15
I mean, that's clearly Trump's everyday life
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Hell-Diver72 days ago
+2
No, it’s the metaverse where any version becomes true apart from reality.
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SeeMarkFly3 days ago
+28
The Trumpian paradox.
By contradicting his own statements he can take credit for either statement and be responsible for neither.
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redditobserverone3 days ago
+13
Schrödinger’s TACO
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SeeMarkFly2 days ago
+2
Oh I like that title better.
I'm stealing it! See you in court.
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Paraparo3 days ago
+20
With all the reports going on, I'm starting to strongly suspect that as the clock was ticking down, they mediation team more or less panicked that they were gonna run out of time, handed both sides whatever they wanted to hear, just to kick the can down the road.
I mean, probably not nearly that "submit homework at 11:59" level of comical but still, be it translation blurriness or verbal massages to each side that weren't technically what the other side actually agreed to.
Which is why nothing is officially released, because then each side could see that their verbal agreements weren't the actual ones. A strategy to more or less gaslight people into peace by stalling the war long enough it's to difficult to restart when the agreement is not what was agreed to.
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HK-533 days ago
+4
Not difficult to restart if they never stop…
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Niftydog11632 days ago
+6
I relate to that submit homework by 11:59pm so hard. Doubt the orange fool even knows how to spell homework.
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Masrim3 days ago
+56
But what do you write down? The things Iran has said in the meetings, or the things Trump has discussed with himself in the mirror and agreed on for all parties?
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notnotbrowsing3 days ago
+34
My conspiracy theory is this:
Irans bullet points are closer to the truth than trump. Trump purposely doesn't post anything useful,and when the backlash comes with how stupid trump is for agreeing to Irans list, he goes on his tirade about how it's all fake news. Rinse and repeat until the public fatigues on it, or they don't call him a sucker for agreeing to it.
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MaybeTheDoctor3 days ago
+9
Doesn’t sounds like “conspiracy” to me
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emelbee9233 days ago
+19
The '10 point plan' Iran brought to the table does nothing to benefit the US or Trump.
* A guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again
* A permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire
* An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against Iranian allies
* The lifting of all US sanctions on Iran
* Iran agreeing to reopen the Strait of Hormuz
* Introduction of a $2 million fee per ship transiting Hormuz
* Revenue from shipping fees to be shared with Oman
* Funds to be used for reconstruction of war-damaged infrastructure
* Establishment of safe passage protocols through Hormuz
* A broader framework to end regional hostilities
Iran called his bluff and he spun it to his followers like a victory.
Notably, Israel has already refused to end their campaign against Lebanon. And there's never been a discussion of the US running the Strait or revenue sharing the way Trump said.
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SqueekyDickFartz3 days ago
+9
I think trump will "allow" Iran to have the revenue from the strait as long as Iran agrees to various things like not enriching Uranium or whatever. His supporters won't care that this is the same basic idea as the deal he ripped up. Liberals will be incredulous, MAGA will insist it's perfect in every way.
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emelbee9233 days ago
+6
Yeah, I had the same thought, that the end result would just be the JCPOA that Trump derided and withdrew the US from. But because MAGA doesn't know what the 'Iran nuclear deal' actually entailed, they will heap praise upon their god-king.
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Tuesday_6PM2 days ago
+2
To be clear, Iran collecting revenue from the straight is a significantly better deal for Iran than the deal under Obama. That’s a huge source of revenue they previously haven’t had.
Not that I disagree that the “plan” is likely to wait until MAGA gets bored and lie about the situation anyway
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deafpoet3 days ago
+6
The $2M fee is hilarious.
"Guys, we could have been charging this the whole time, and they'd *never* let us do it without a fight. He's just... giving us the perfect excuse to start?"
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resisting_a_rest3 days ago
+7
Exactly. They didn’t do it before because of fear or reprisals.
Trump pushed the issue and now they know there will be no reprisals.
I wonder if they bought Trumps cryptocurrency to get this deal. No, probably just Trump admin incompetence. We will never know.
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fretkat2 days ago
+3
Thanks to the US the world now has to pay
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my_juicy_nose3 days ago
+4
Just saying, you should try to save an email chain or something like that.
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Masrim3 days ago
+2
All I can do is a truth social post, but you have to pick which one.
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SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING3 days ago
+9
The crown jewel of US foreign policy was State Department with career professionals which handled these things behind the scenes without making noise.
Musk got rid of them all. Now it’s tweet diplomacy.
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Alive_kiwi_70013 days ago
+5
Iran sent Rubio a pair of correctly sized shoes. After easing his blistered feet into them he rushed to tell Trump how Iran accepted all his demands and it was time to call off the bombers.
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Why-did-i-reas-this3 days ago
+3
Why? So trump can eat the paper it’s written on?
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sharies2 days ago
+3
It's not like you can trust Trump even if it's in writing. Hell he even will sneak attack you while at the negotiation table.
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rabidstoat3 days ago
+3
We just document important diplomatic agreements in tweets these days.
Thank goodness we don't still have the 140 character limits on our formal documents.
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glorious_reptile3 days ago
+2
Not really. The only thing that benefited both parties was to stop shooting - the details were left purposefully vague. That’s my interpretation anyways.
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totalwarwiser2 days ago
+2
Why? Its not like there are literaly billions of people hurt by this situation.
This whole situation feels like where people want to keep playing but they dont invite the big player to go on.
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Caboozel3 days ago
+39
Maybe this is why we don’t do governance through f****** social media lmao.
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ACMomani3 days ago
+11
Welcome to Trump time where policies and war are announced via tweet and war documents are circulating through social media.
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SqueekyDickFartz3 days ago
+6
Not even real tweets, it's diary rants on temu twitter.
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pm_me_beerz3 days ago
+2
ITS ON TRUTH SOCIAL YOU CRAZY BASTARDS /trump
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RheagarTargaryen3 days ago
+7
There is no agreement. He just needed the fog of an agreement to back down from his “end civilization” threat. They basically made a fake agreement (every side claiming they got what they want) to convince everyone he let diplomacy prevail.
The reality is the war is going to kick back off soon but there’s not going to be some doomsday clock on mass murders.
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Leody3 days ago
+15
He has a concept of a peace agreement.
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yorlikyorlik3 days ago
+7
It will be released in 2 weeks. Right after infrastructure week.
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[deleted]3 days ago
+8
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psioniclizard3 days ago
+4
Thats a nice way of saying there is nothing. Even if someone has a file called peace-plan.docx on their desktop it means nothing because they don't agree on anything.
Both sides wants to save face earlier in the week and now we are here.
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foghillgal3 days ago
+10
When you screw diplomacy in the ass like Trump has done and install grade A dumbasses instead you get what you got.
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Quintronaquar3 days ago
+8
9 times out of 10 if the source is Trump then it's 100% bullshit
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thewolfshead3 days ago
+3
Of all people to say someone else isn’t honouring an agreement, Trump is the worst offender of that.
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IntelArtiGen3 days ago
+2
They don't want to share it publicly AFAIK, so nobody really knows.
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TheSleepyTruth3 days ago
+2
Nothing in the peace plan has been agreed upon, that is whats being negotiated. What has been agreed upon was a total cease fire with opening of the Strait while negotiations take place. Iran still hasnt opened the Strait and Israel still hasn't stopped attacks in Lebanon so... not looking great.
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UnionGuyCanada3 days ago
+2
Did he not have a Sharpie handy when he made this deal?
Just a literal moron flying by the seat of his pants, running from fire to fire woth a can of gasoline, all so he doesnface consequences from being a lifelong rapist pedophile.
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Gavangus3 days ago
+4
According to the administration the ones shared publicly by some iranian sources (that the msm is running with) are not the actual ones
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NoSwordfish69493 days ago
+18
The "administration" is the most unreliable source for facts.
edit: spelling
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lastpassonright3 days ago
+5
So trump tweeted the wrong thing?
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IntelArtiGen3 days ago
+5
Only Pakistan knows and I haven't seen them share the 10 points. TBH it's "very unrealistic" (to say the least) that the US considers the 10 iranian points to be a "basis of negotiations".
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ACMomani3 days ago
+8
Pakistan said Lebanon are included in the ceasefire, Israel said no they aren't and Trump immediately followed.
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Royal-Hunter38923 days ago
+3
They claimed Lebanon is included in the ceasefire deal but US rejected these claim and said lebanon is not part of the deal .
It's not only disagreement and confusion between Iran and US but it is also disagreement even between the Pakistan and US .
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IntelArtiGen3 days ago
+2
For what I got, they (Iran/the US/Pakistan) all agreed it should be included. But they didn't contact Israel before, and Israel refused after Trump called them. I haven't found a good source on this, but it seems plausible. In this case, Trump lied when he said Lebanon wasn't included, but Pakistan shouldn't have declared the ceasefire without making sure they all agreed to it, including Israel. You can't just say "they all agree to not fight" without making sure they all agree to not fight.
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Royal-Hunter38923 days ago
+2
Not including Israel which is a primary player of this conflict is a stupid thing Or it might be a deliberate goof up , to put pressure on Iran on the last moment to make them accept it or get accused of breaking the ceasefire.
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Jkabaseball3 days ago
+1
Everyone agreed to a peace plan. They just all agreed to different ones.
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Halcyon5203 days ago
+225
Only Trump, and I mean that really only Trump could bomb the hell out of a country and in less than a month end up with a worse deal than doing nothing. What an absolute joke
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hatmatter3 days ago
+110
His whole Presidency is like that. If he just went golfing for four years and just let things run on autopilot, the US would be in a much better position than it is now.
Tourism would still be thriving, no tariff nonsense..
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theinternetisnice3 days ago
+25
I admit there was a part of me that assumed that’s what he would do the first time around. I figured he would quietly do some illegal shit that would be financially beneficial to his businesses, give some speeches talking about how great he was but really do nothing. So I was pretty wrong.
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Fatesadvent3 days ago
+13
I was surprised to hear tourism as a whole is only down 5% though. Canada alone dropped some 30 to 40%. Rest of the world slacking
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Halinn2 days ago
+3
Not just presidency, he'd also be a better businessman if he just invested the money he inherited in index linked funds
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smurfsundermybed3 days ago
+25
It's the story of his life. Both he and the rest of us would have been so much better off if he did anything other than what he did at every moment of his life.
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CelerMortis3 days ago
+4
The key difference is that he finds ways to fail upwards in his private life because the principal of “look like a w***** at all costs” actually seems to work kind of well as a private citizen.
It’s not really playing out that way for his presidency, other than the fact that he got re-elected somehow
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SatanicPanic6193 days ago
+3
Hey maybe he can bomb again and get an even worse deal
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Kaffe-Mumriken3 days ago
+39
It is tremendously stupid not to have a transparent agreement to show the world exactly what each side is holding the other to at this point.
MINDBLOWINGLY stupid
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Calculonx2 days ago
+2
I'm sure someone has carefully compiled all of the tweets
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Big_Introduction19523 days ago
+119
It’s the Middle East special. Each party agrees only to their own terms, calls it peace, and resumes business as usual.
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IntelArtiGen3 days ago
+13
Currently it's the most likely outcome I'd say. No one agrees on anything, and the current situation continues. Though I wouldn't say it's "business as usual" if the strait remains closed / semi-open. I don't even know how they want to "negotiate" all these issues. Iran and the US haven't changed their positions and I don't see how or why they would change it: on nuclear materials, on missiles, on proxies, on sanctions etc.
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my_juicy_nose3 days ago
+6
The most likely scenario is trump declares victory because he’s the best president ever and so strong unlike Obama who was so weak, then he goes home.
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IntelArtiGen3 days ago
+2
They were all going to declare victory anyway, it was obvious from Day 1. AFAIK they both suffered casualties and lost billions in material damage so I'm not going to call that a victory for either side.
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ghkilla8053 days ago
+5
If Iran ends up being able to charge tolls for the Strait, and keep their nuclear enrichment, then it would be a pretty definitive win I would think. But that all depends how the negotiations go since those should be a red line for the US
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Likeapuma243 days ago
+2
I agree. But if all that remains of Iran is piles of rubble, then it's a bit less glamorous of a win.
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One-Engineering-45053 days ago
+6
It's not even each party, the us has three different high ups all giving different objectives for why the war happened, what they want out of it, and what it would take to end it.
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Slight_Ad88713 days ago
+20
He’s just now learning there was never an agreement
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M3RC3N4RY893 days ago
+18
This “ceasefire” has been based on a fairytale nonexistent agreement since it was announced… it’s all market manipulation with him and for every threat he’s made, Iran just keeps calling his bluff and driving him into increasingly outlandish claims that he’s somehow winning this.
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bunker9313 days ago
+46
Iran: "So we fighting or what?"
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madmaxGMR3 days ago
+10
Bro, we aint opening shit.
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oculeers3 days ago
+49
TACO doesn't hold the cards.
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my_juicy_nose3 days ago
+26
Whole world laughing
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ciopobbi3 days ago
+15
And suffering at the hands of a deranged sociopathic moron
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Zolo493 days ago
+2
Which is weird because you’d think you could fit a lot of cards in a taco.
(But seriously, I REALLY hate all the TACO taunts. Trump “chickening out” has almost always been the best option when one of these situations comes up and I really don’t get people basically trying to taunt him into doing something objectively worse for everyone. Is anybody not happy that he “chickened out” and didn’t nuke Iran? I know it was a bluff, but the point is still the same.)
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Lolligagers3 days ago
+27
That's because the agreement only really existed in his own twisted mind.
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SanchoPandas3 days ago
+3
It was more the concept of an agreement.
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Pale_Leek29943 days ago
+8
If the US were led by serious people and actually honoured the agreements they already had none of this would be happening.
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Ognius3 days ago
+6
Stupid pedophile didn’t even read the document he signed.
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zachtheperson3 days ago
+17
So translation: Trump made up a situation in his head, it was never actually agreed upon, and now he's blaming Iran for it so he can look like a big boy
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monkey_gamer2 days ago
+2
Yes!!! Sadly
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snoopingforpooping3 days ago
+5
There is no agreement!
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RunGrizzly2 days ago
+5
At the time it was widely reported that US and Iran seemed to hold wildly differing versions of the truce.
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ciopobbi3 days ago
+8
You mean the concept of an agreement? Just more geopolitical amateur hour by this galactically unqualified administration.
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Jonesy27003 days ago
+12
Ah. See, you specifically need _multiple_ parties to agree to the agreement to _have_ have an agreement, no?
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WeakCartographer78263 days ago
+7
Gotta tank the market so you can buy low and sell high on Monday when another ceasefire is announced that will last until next Friday
F****** cunts
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Brave_Nerve_68713 days ago
+3
By this point I'm certain that Trump doesn't even know what is and isn't in the agreement
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ahses32023 days ago
+3
Oh right it's Friday so the bombs drop again on market close. Silly me. I forgot how this works for a moment.
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Assumption-Putrid3 days ago
+3
Sounds to me like there isn't a clear agreement to any precise set of terms.
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Redfish6803 days ago
+3
Coincidentally, Iran is saying the exact same thing.
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weristjonsnow3 days ago
+3
There isn't a f****** agreement yet, you moron.
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noogers3 days ago
+4
I believe Iran then
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gentleman_bronco3 days ago
+4
Considering it's exactly what the intermediary of Pakistan reported, and what Donald Trump himself said was a "workable framework".... I'm positive trump doesn't know how to read.
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huhwhuh3 days ago
+2
I stopped reading at 'Trump says'. In facf I stop reading every article that starts with those 2 words.
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BrofessorFarnsworth3 days ago
+2
Release the Epstein files
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islandsimian3 days ago
+2
It's so friggin' hard to know who's not telling the truth here - is it Trump? Is it Trump's advisors? Is it Iran?
There's points of failure across the entire board here
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pistoffcynic3 days ago
+2
What is the agreement?”… By the way.
Please tell.
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ygg_studios3 days ago
+2
then you don't have an agreement
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teamnowak3 days ago
+2
I believe the agreement is the opposite of what Trump believes.
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houstonyoureaproblem3 days ago
+2
Doesn’t seem like there was any real agreement, just both sides repeating what they want.
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EmbarrassedCockRing3 days ago
+2
You're not supposed to fight back! Lmao 🤡
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sunny0_03 days ago
+2
Does anyone else think his deals are all in his head?
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New-Equal80393 days ago
+2
This is incredibly embarrassing. He is such a whiny b*tch.
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bishpa3 days ago
+2
When two parties disagree about an agreement, do you even really have an agreement?
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ronweasleisourking3 days ago
+2
1. Bomb country
2. Forget how important waterway is
3. Cry like a b**** when bombed country says suck it
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oakfan053 days ago
+2
Sounds like you don't have a agreement.
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NEOK533 days ago
+2
I wonder if he literally hallucinated or dreamt there was an agreement. His mind isn’t right as it is, and this wouldn’t surprise me.
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PM_ME_UR_RESPECT3 days ago
+2
“You pwomised there wouldn’t be fact checking!”
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TwentyCharactersShor2 days ago
+2
I never thought I'd find myself in the position of feeling sympathy for Iran and then cheering them on as they make a mockery of the US president, yet here we are!
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Boombajiggy772 days ago
+2
You lost me at "Trump says..."
Who fuckin cares what he says anymore???
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retiredhawaii2 days ago
+2
When you have a history of not honouring deals yourself…….
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enkrypt3d2 days ago
+2
And Iran just bombed a ton of production facilities and pipelines in Saudi Arabia so oil is about to Skyrocket again
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DistanceToEmpty3 days ago
+4
Dearest Donny,
How's does it feel to have others renege on their own agreements?
Sincerely,
Canada.
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mylarky3 days ago
+2
You could always sell high first, and then buy low.
Play it both ways, longs and shorts.
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Imcrappinyounegative2 days ago
+4
Grandpa! There never was an agreement. Go back to bed.
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Visible_Handle_37702 days ago
+3
Well yeah, this is what happens when the 'agreement' seems to mostly be an informal understanding based on social media posts. And a straightforward reading of Trump's original post would suggest Iran's handling is exactly the agreement since Trump said the 10 point plan Iran presented including their control over the Strait was workable.
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PersimmonWorried21553 days ago
+2
It was better before he attacked for no reason.
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vincedarling3 days ago
+2
Doesn’t he realize how weak he sounds?
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rube_X_cube3 days ago
+2
That’s because he *is* weak.
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Mother_Airline_62762 days ago
+2
Yeah. The agreement was for everyone to stop shooting. But, your master Bibi said “f*** that” and we’re back to square 1.
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Either-Return-81412 days ago
+2
War, right after the market closes.
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hcornea2 days ago
+2
No-one believes he has an agreement.
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VexedCanadian843 days ago
+1
Iran has obviously included a total ceasefire from Israel and the US as part of their agreement to keep the strait open.
not bombing civilians should have been easy for Israel and the US to stick to. Israel doesn't want to though.
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bigbucksnowhamies3 days ago
+1
“The Art of the Deal.”
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Spezalt43 days ago
+1
You guys have an agreement?
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alphajatin3 days ago
+1
Here we go, it's Friday
let's wait until markets close
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teebles223 days ago
+1
I feel like they just yadi-yadi-yadda the whole agreement. You know for sure Trump is not one to look into things in detail. Probably had someone come up with a 2 minute reel for him to ingest the agreement, and it skipped out things like, I don't know, explaining to Israel the agreement details.
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SlowCrates3 days ago
+1
Trump, you need to learn to read the agreement before you announce that there is one *you incomprehensibly dumb m************.
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Aranthar3 days ago
+1
News coverage keeps calling it a "tenuous ceasefire" meanwhile everyone is still bombing each other and the strait is closed.
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fenikz133 days ago
+1
How you gonna stop em?
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Ihavenoideatall3 days ago
+1
Ya... definitely not his (or his advisors) crazy twisted x rated version.
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outofgulag3 days ago
+1
Only 9 ships crossed the strait yesterday.
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id10t_you3 days ago
+1
Dementia Donnie says a lot of things, mostly lies. So pardon me if I don't treat his words as gospel; that's the cult's job.
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PapaCaqu3 days ago
+1
The Art of the Deal
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Birdius3 days ago
+1
Well, I'm sure that's because there really isn't an agreement in place.
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LogicalEgo3 days ago
+1
What agreement you idiot!?
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Puzzleheaded-Leg26473 days ago
+1
Maybe administrating your foreign policy over a third-rate social media platform isn't a good idea.
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ivanvector3 days ago
+1
The absolute f****** irony of Donald Trump of all people complaining about anyone not following an agreement.
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MCR_Read47373 days ago
+1
They don't care, TACO!
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ComadorFluffyPaws3 days ago
+1
Must be Friday, we'll be "sending them back to the stonage" after 4PM today.
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CharcoalGreyWolf3 days ago
+1
Why would I trust the words of someone whose statements change every 24 hours or when a squirrel darts across the road?
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wwarnout3 days ago
+1
Can we get an unbiased explanation of the agreement? Certainly not from Trump, and Iran's credibility is no better.
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SnooRegrets64283 days ago
Trump wants free and open strait. Iran said they are still charging but will allow any country to pass with a toll fee. So deal is volatile and it might end this weekend
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Noselessmonk3 days ago
+1
Not in writing? Wouldn't be surprised - back room handshake deals seem on par for Trump. He's just used to being the one who backs out of honoring the deal first.
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HinDae0853 days ago
+1
Yeah well Israel continuing to bomb Lebanon is not the agreement Iran has.
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jcmach13 days ago
+1
He's lying of course. It was quite clear in all aspects, including his own post on Truth Social.
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WhereasParticular8673 days ago
+1
Iran is going to keep f****** with him until November. We'll see double digit prices on gas by then. Trump entered into a siege without realizing that his enemy can outlast him. He was convinced by advisors with money to make that this would be a quick in and out adventure.
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fiftyfivepercentoff3 days ago
+1
Release the Epstein files already!
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Westbrooks3ptShot3 days ago
+1
And the continued killing of civilians in Lebanon isn’t the agreement Iran had.
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Kalslice3 days ago
+1
Has he considered bringing it up with the rogue nation he keeps giving billions of dollars, who immediately ruined any agreement on the very first day?
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zoopz3 days ago
+1
Like Trump even knows what agreeing means
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Sweatytubesock3 days ago
+1
Art of the deal
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nomoreusernamersleft3 days ago
+1
I don’t think bombing the shit out of them was really in their plans. Also they’re dealing with an idiot.
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InfiniteAVD3 days ago
+1
Greatest mediator in history!
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CreativeFraud3 days ago
+1
Dis bish again. trump can't help but lie.
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ultimate_bond3 days ago
+1
Didn't he claimed that CNN spread fake news on agreement? There wasn't any according to him yesterday.
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Bishopjones21122 days ago
+1
Do you really think the voters agreed to what Trump brings. Yeah so here we are
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Profile-Effective2 days ago
+1
Yeah would be nice if Lebanon wasn’t receiving the biggest bombing yet from US allied after the so call
Peace deal
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