Trump Says NATO Withdrawal On the Table Amid Rift With Allies Over Iran War

The major problem, with the people that still fervently support him and others that voted for him but feel uneasy now, is that people *hate* to admit when they are wrong. That is a problem that crosses the aisle too. But it's true...sometime you are wrong.

let’s be clear. His supporters at this point are just a grouping of the intellectually challenged deplorables.

I don’t believe it. US electorate is not sophisticated at all and highly believes in its own hype and media propaganda. US electorate loves to hear its own ignorance out loud and will push back on contrary arguments. Nothing happening right now should even be a surprise. Tariffs…Strait of Hormuz…NATO allies refusing to take part in an undeclared war, there is a historical precedents for all those.

He can't. Congress passed a law in 2024 that stops him doing that. Rubio was one of the primary sponsors. 🤣

This is the ol' give Russia everything it wants or needs to defeat them plan. Classic.

I think legally you are correct but what I have seen is just flagrant abuses of the law *and no actual recourse when it happens* which is, now, a glaring problem in U.S. law and government.

and trump will just say, I will not come when europe is attacked. and the congress will do nothing, because they dont wanna make their king look bad...

Well, to be clear, I think his platform was couched in terms of having Europe (and other nations that we support) pony up funds for their own defense, etc. fine, whatever. That resonated with a lot of Americans. Thats different than invading Iran and crying when no one wants to help.

Look man, it's been a long time and I feel like I lived a thousand lifetimes since he was re-elected but I did find this at least: https://abcnews.com/amp/Politics/allies-doubt-trump-threatened-bail-nato-spending-feud/story?id=56547031 Of course that's one article and I realize that - so don't pummel me into dust please. But, as an American, I don't remember a lot about any firm campaign promises about dropping out of NATO.

Both, until their goals conflict.  Then we'll see who has more damning blackmail or bigger bribes. The only demographic you can be absolutely sure he isn't working on behalf of is the American people.

Whoever the last powerful person is to speak with him. He has zero ideology and zero scruples. He just wants power and money.

"And here's something else, Bob, I have eight different bosses right now." "I beg your pardon?” “Eight bosses.” “Eight?” “Eight, Bob."

Congress is certainly THE issue. Congress can legislate, repeal legislation, offer constitutional amendments for ratification, and is the sole means by which to enforce consequences against the executive. The court can rule against the executive, but compliance relies on them being rule followers. Congress could impeach the president, but the GOP Congress members are using Trump as a vehicle for self-enrichment, policy initiatives, and as a means to stay in power. Democrats also benefit from the lack of oversight and self enrich themselves as well. And are guilty of much the same when a Democrat holds the executive. The biggest weakness though is that the states dictate ballot access and while the states control their own ballot laws, the parties have effectively been nationalized. You don’t get successful third parties because the Democrats and Republicans have used their state legislator members to effectively block the rise of successful third parties from forming and getting on the ballot. Congress is effectively two national non profit political organizations. Those who run it decide effectively the political class in America and who gets inducted into it. They decide your choices and your choices will always fall in line with the party. Even if they let you run, they might use different tools to make you lose. See Bernie in the 2016 primaries as the perfect example.

Same with war spending eh?

Doesn’t stop him and Kegseth refusing to back NATO with troops, etc if shit ever hit fan.

i should have been more clear: he is going to TRY to pull USA out of NATO. It will end in supreme court.

I don’t see that stopping him from announcing it.

Not officially, but i suppose he could minimize US involvement and cooperation with NATO from now on and keep yelling really often how the US is no longer going to help the rest of NATO. No, that would not make sense....yes, that would actually fit his style. And yes, that could make Putin very eager to try something in the Baltic.

That never meant anything to king trump.

Not true. The constitution is silent on ending treaties. Congress approves treaties, but that is all the constitution says. Presidents have cancelled treaties before and the SCOTUS refused to rule, saying it was a political question

Why’s that? I don’t see how a post-NATO world is actually “great” for anyone apart of this discussion.

Yup. They're just russians with obesity issues.