So the president of the US is providing weapons to a militia, where have I heard this before?
5596
sun_not_cold4 days ago
+2001
Iran-Contra?
2001
Isparza4 days ago
+284
🎶 in the 80’ there was Cold War drama, we fought the commies inside Nicaragua, our freinds were the contras freedom was there mantra so we sent lots of money for guns a land mines 🎶
Ollie north! Ollie north!!.
-American dad
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Flesh_Trombone4 days ago
+100
🎶But Congress stopped the Contra money flow
Just 'cause they moved a teeny bit of blow.
But then a hero came forth.
His name was Oliver North.
He and Reagan went around the sissy Congress.🎶
100
Flesh_Trombone4 days ago
+76
You see, North secretly sold missiles to a harmless country called Iran who would always be a grateful ally. Then he gave the profits to the Contras. Genius!
76
DenialMaster11014 days ago
+62
But the sales were uncovered by the press
Reagan and North began to stress.
Because what they did was technically high treason!
62
DenialMaster11014 days ago
+39
But it was totally justified!
39
darthjoey914 days ago
+26
North volunteered to take blame to save Reagan from prison shame. The truth he did bury with his hot secretary. Thanks to her shredder, he got off totally scot-free.
26
za724 days ago
+755
I do not recall
755
twec214 days ago
+471
Attaboy Ollie
471
whomad12154 days ago
+35
selling weapons to Iran, who would always be a grateful* ally
35
flume4 days ago
+84
ya fuckin idiot
84
Tacoman4044 days ago
+55
The US military to Fox News cyclical pipeline. Now we have Kegseth who worked with FOllie North at Faux News
55
hoosarestillchamps4 days ago
+6
The mute marine
6
JAT_Cbus10804 days ago
+22
*And then Bush pardoned everyone involved*
22
ConstableGrey4 days ago
+191
Olllie North! Olllie North!
191
36mintweezer4 days ago
+81
He’s a soldier! And a hero! And a novelist!
81
Isparza4 days ago
+88
And now he’s on Fox newwwwsss
88
MetalGearSlayer4 days ago
+19
C***, that’s the end!
19
Isparza4 days ago
+7
This guy know! 😊
7
TheInevitableLuigi4 days ago
+46
Republicans are now saying that we have been at war with Iran for 47 years.
>Iran-Contra?
Which would make that treason right?
At this point you can (almost) put any latin american country in that sentence and it was a thing.
27
Mixer-30074 days ago
+18
"Right-wing autocracies leave in place existing allocations of wealth, power, status, and other resources and are more compatible with U.S. interests." Jeane Kirkpatrick, Reagan`s b****.
18
PowderPills4 days ago
+70
First time? .gif
70
blyss73usa4 days ago
+162
I had a conservative friend say that Obama did this and he used that in an argument with me. Oh, how the turn tables...
162
glaba31414 days ago
+117
Well, he did. That's what the US does. Why do you think Obama was anything special?
117
blyss73usa4 days ago
+117
I don't. My friend said Trump would never do anything that stupid and here we are.
Trump was right, I am getting sick of all this winning. Trump said that he has won this war with Iran like seven or eight times already... 🤣🤣🤣
Edit for typo
117
shadrap4 days ago
+7
We’ll be winning this war for the next 20 years.
Trump was right, I AM sick of all this winning. I can’t take another 20 years of it.
7
Highway03114 days ago
+24
Every war we’ve ever been directly or indirectly involved in?
24
er-day4 days ago
+26
French, Chinese, and Philippine insurgencies during ww2? Iran contra? Afghanistan Taliban vs Russia? South Vietnamese early 60’s? Kurds… often? Various Central American uprising groups.
26
the_colonelclink4 days ago
+59
I believe it was the French, in the American revolutionary wars?
59
Mend1cant4 days ago
+27
So who’s going to buy Louisiana off the US now for dirt c****?
27
ShenaniganCow4 days ago
+22
I’d wager Thiel and the other tech oligarchs are salivating at the chance to parcel the US amongst themselves and make us serfs to their fiefdoms.
22
devilquak4 days ago
+8342
He just admitted separately that they lost control of these guns. That we funded with our tax dollars.
8342
09f3jns4 days ago
+4312
His own words, completely unprompted.
"We sent some guns, but the group that was to give -- which I said would happen to my people, I said it, I quoted it exactly -- We sent guns, a lot of guns, they were supposed to go to the people so they could fight back against the thugs. You know what happened? The people that they sent them to kept them, because they said 'what a beautiful gun, I think I'll keep it', so I'm very upset with a certain group of people, and they're gonna pay a big price for that."
4312
sudoku74 days ago
+1023
Maybe he should get the fox news correspondent Oliver North's opinion on how best to run guns to iran.
1023
InformationHorder4 days ago
+241
Oooooooolie North! Oooooooolie North!
241
KirkDeepthroatGOAT4 days ago
+80
And now he's on Fox Newwwwwwwws!
80
Civil-Attempt-36024 days ago
+49
This is how I learned about him
49
DuntadaMan4 days ago
+59
It isn't how I learned about him (sadly) but it is how I learned he was now a fox News talking head. I don't know how you can get any more blatantly anti-democracy than hiring a guy that committed high treason.
59
mytransthrow4 days ago
+13
Trump commited high treason too.
13
Adamtess4 days ago
+7
Let's not forget that the NRA was to corrupt for ol Ollie, which is saying a f****** lot.
7
DonutWhole97174 days ago
+23
He's a soldier! And a heeeerrrooo! And now he's on fox neeeeeeews!
23
Size3Sphincter4 days ago
+15
And a novelist.
15
ImNotAWhaleBiologist4 days ago
+66
He doesn’t like soldiers that were caught.
66
xIllustrious_Passion4 days ago
+2254
Why does everything have to be beautiful? Someone get him a thesaurus please
2254
IridiumPony4 days ago
+1418
Because he has the vocabulary of a 4th grader
1418
asiwal4 days ago
+648
That can happen if you spend a lot of time with 4th graders.
648
motorcycleboy90004 days ago
+236
Eh, most of them were duct-taped and sedated.
236
beatenmeat4 days ago
+146
Not the one that nearly bit off his d*** apparently.
146
IridiumPony4 days ago
+45
Wait...what? I actually didn't hear about this
45
Elisalsa244 days ago
+104
In the files that they felt like weren’t bad enough to withhold from release
104
IridiumPony4 days ago
+69
Makes you wonder what's in the rest
69
moonsammy4 days ago
+42
Well, they *tried* to withhold them, but the media noticed the missing file #s and references to multiple victim interviews with the FBI vs only one released. The Justice department was effectively forced to say "oh oops, totally missed releasing those embarrassing-to-Trump files by total accident..."
42
glassgost4 days ago
+14
Is that the same one that kicked a broom up his ass?
14
Leeciferous4 days ago
+8
Different. Broom was a boy.
8
Edythir4 days ago
+7
Or shoved a broomstick up his ass.
7
Fritzo21624 days ago
+191
Every sentence has one of the following as filler, because he can't articulate:
\- big
\- biggest
\- most
\- best
\- largest
\- in history
191
LandscapeNatural76804 days ago
+121
-like nobody has seen
121
corvettekyle4 days ago
+68
Some say
68
thirdbrother34 days ago
+49
Everyone is saying it
49
Brodakk4 days ago
+33
The best people are saying it
33
bboycire4 days ago
+25
Likes which we have never seen before
25
jianh19894 days ago
+10
-i know all about
10
coconuthorse4 days ago
+25
Most of the bestest words are learned by fourth grade.
25
jaj-io4 days ago
+53
That's an insult to 4th graders everywhere
53
DMala4 days ago
+25
Seriously, more like a 4th grader who has been repeatedly hit in the head.
25
syynapt1k4 days ago
+15
It makes sense when you consider his audience.
15
Rabbit-Hole-Quest4 days ago
+172
Dude could be talking about a*** polyps and he will say something along the lines of “my doctor found the most beautiful a*** polyps inside me, they were so beautiful that he didn't want to take them out, but he did and kept them to show everyone in his beautiful office.”
172
figurative_me4 days ago
+65
The doctor also had tears in his eyes and said “sir”
65
MittMuckerbin4 days ago
+15
"Biggest juiciest a*** polyps you've ever seen, they are getting covered in gold to go in my Presidential Library."
15
Global_Crew39684 days ago
+35
Because he is a moron and only thinks in superlatives. Everything is the greatest ever, the worst ever, the most beautiful, perhaps maybe ever. Nuance requires intelligence.
35
Digigma4 days ago
+27
He won't play with it, unless is a very beautiful thesaurus
27
ThingCalledLight4 days ago
+26
Also his understanding of cause and effect is bonkers.
They didn’t keep the guns *because* they said “what a beautiful gun; I think I’ll keep it” even if they literally said those words, which they didn’t.
Them saying that would not be the reason they kept them.
This guy f****** sucks.
26
pm_me_beerz4 days ago
+21
It’s the most syllables he can pronounce in one word
21
astrosdude914 days ago
+24
For someone who loves to hear himself talk, he's always been a terrible public speaker.
24
Dacoww4 days ago
+17
Probably a result of so much of his life spent harassing or talking about women. So it’s been engrained as a go-to adjective.
17
ATSOAS874 days ago
+16
People with dementia tend to repeat their sentences.
16
schoolbusserman4 days ago
+92
Just had to throw his subordinates under the bus
92
TheCyanKnight4 days ago
+290
The Kurds probably remembered him pulling military support from Syria leaving them sitting ducks. Can’t fault them for playing Trump this time around.
290
Unfair_Web_82754 days ago
+82
A lot of nations in the middle east aren’t intervening because of two reasons
- Our history of leaving someone else holding the bag
- Trump repeatedly saying we’re going to leave someone else holding the bag.
82
Long_Run65004 days ago
+44
The Kurd's planned a ground invasion in Iran with the help of the Israelis and timed it with the first round of air strikes. The ground invasion got delayed or postponed for some reason. Israeli media outlets started reporting that there was a kurdish ground invasion in Iran despite the ground invasion not happening yet. So someone leaked details of their dangerous and risky surprise attack the press for what... PR points? So the Kurd's basically said f*** all of you I want nothing to do with this now but we're keeping the weapons.
44
Airf0rce4 days ago
+96
Turns out alienating everyone on the planet makes them less likely to help you. This is the kind of lesson that kids learn in school, that you want to have friends, actually... and stabbing them in the back may not be the best idea, cause your other friends will notice that and adjust accordingly.
96
jinzo2224 days ago
+30
Kurds been fucked by America twice in recent times. Why does America think they would help fight this pointless war?
30
say5924 days ago
+19
Worse, he sold them out to Turkey. We deliberately got out of their way so Turkey could massacre them.
19
Monnster074 days ago
+57
Given the U.S. government's treatment of Kurdish militias, I can't exactly blame them for keeping them.
57
MIT_Engineer4 days ago
+25
Does this mean the guns are in the hands of some weapons dealers, and didn't even make it into Iran? Or does this mean the guns are now in the hands of the Kurds, who very understandably didn't hand them over to Persian protestors?
If it's the latter, then I'm cool with that. The Kurds deserve a good turn after the way Trump screwed them in Syria.
25
smootex4 days ago
+13
They're in the hands of the kurds. There was a plan to have them cross the border but it never happened. It's not entirely clear how it went down. Iraq was not a big fan of the plan and tightened their border security. Presumably the kurds got cold feet knowing it was a suicide mission?
13
RogerianBrowsing4 days ago
+39
Hundreds of Iranian police were shot. I’m not so sure the guns didn’t make it.
Trump sure does love screwing over the Kurds though
39
RjoTTU-bio4 days ago
+51
Let’s destabilize a region and haphazardly fill it with weapons. What could go wrong?
51
SharksForArms4 days ago
+18
So now we are going to start bombing Kurds.
18
hanr864 days ago
+8
Whar a shitshow clusterfuck of a government. They've lost all semblance of control.
8
alexefi4 days ago
+34
So we all agree that he actually didnt send anything and just made up story and made up another story about lost guns to avoid questions?
34
Direct_Witness12484 days ago
+32
Or sold the guns and kept the money.
32
PlateNo48684 days ago
+276
Wouldn't be the first time. Remember Syria? It's actually a major reason why there was 10000 TOW missile videos. Because they wouldn't replace or supply them with more unless they showed proof they used them.
276
brickmaj4 days ago
+86
This is just the military industrial complex doing its thing. They get paid for guns, they get in the wrong hands, and guess what we have to spend more money on to deal with the issue?
86
Coady544 days ago
+20
Or the second, or fourth, or fifth, sixth,...
How many f****** times do we need to arm international third-parties before we realize the weapons **always** end up used against ourselves? It happens literally. Every. God. Damn. Time.
It has to be intentional, it had to have been done with the intent of creating a situation that to could potentially justify putting boots on the ground.
20
fednandlers4 days ago
+124
Didn't he leave the Kurds to die during his first term? If these folks that received these weapons were associated in some way then why the hell would they trust him? Of course they stole the shit. That fuckin idiot.
124
yumas4 days ago
+42
Also, in case the revolution really happens, the kurdish militia in iran probably wants to have arms in in case the insurgence fails or turns against them at some point.
42
bengringo24 days ago
+45
We owe the Kurds a lot more than some crates of guns. F*** it, let em have them.
45
genreprank4 days ago
+11
Also fighting is kind of their thing.
It's like trusting cookie monster to transport your cookies
11
Handgun_Hero4 days ago
+26
He did, and according to some insiders, they were supposed to have launched a direct invasion of Iran through the Peshmerga in Iraq to fulfil the boots on the ground necessary for regime change so the USA didn't have to do it themselves. However, because Trump abandoned the Kurds in his first term to die at the hands of Turkey back in 2019 they didn't trust him, so they wanted more guarantees with an American contingent on the ground helping them. They also wanted time to slowly build up forces on the border so Iran wouldn't notice.
But because the war is being fought for the memes and vibes rather than with coherent strategy, Marco Rubio had to run his mouth to Turkey in early March and in turn insiders of the Trump administration told CNN about the plan. This horrified the Kurds so they simply abandoned the plan and pretended they never knew about it because the element of surprise was lost and the USA tipped its hand and the Kurds aren't actually looking to die for nothing.
26
Smelly_God4 days ago
+7
Yep, I was just about to comment this.
F*** Trump, he's a plague upon all our houses
7
ac_cossack4 days ago
+60
So the plan is:
1 betray the Kurds
2 arm the Kurds
3 ???
4 guns are gone
Step 5 is gunna be messy.
60
renesys4 days ago
+17
3 is when some of those weapons were used during protests to give the government a reason to kill thousands of otherwise non-violent protesters.
17
KingKuntu4 days ago
+25
Pam bondi said this is the most transparent administration in the history of the US. Between admitting this and blatantly disclosing that he wants to take the oil of every country we've engaged in military action with in this admin, she might be a broken clock.
25
kstargate-4254 days ago
+11
He also mentioned something about taking Greenland today after he gave away a ton of secrets of how we rescued the weapons officer of the F-15E putting any future downed pilots and rescue crews in more danger.
11
McCree1144 days ago
+68
Crickets from the folks who crashed out over the Taliban getting ahold of abandoned U.S military hardware and blaming Biden.
68
kstargate-4254 days ago
+15
What's even more wild is that most every bit of that equipment was given to the army under Trumps treaty he signed when he simultaneously released 5,000 hardened Taliban soldiers before the pullout. The same newly released Taliban soldiers that not only took over the army and country, killing some of our soldiers but also had one become the "President" of the country's new government
15
GeoLogic234 days ago
+396
Sounds similar to Obama's Operation Fast and Furious, which the GOP lost their minds over. Not that hypocrisy matters anymore.
396
FeeNegative94884 days ago
+210
That was an operation that started under GW Bush. Obama wasn’t even aware of it until it failed
210
bobbymcpresscot4 days ago
+77
started with a bush US attorney and Bush ATF.
2000 firearms over 5 years.
100-250k firearms get trafficked into Mexico every year via straw purchases made by US buyers to give to the cartel.
This is like the main if not best talking point for a national registry.
The NRA, who gets its talking points from gun mfgs of course opposes any kind of registry “because it leads to confiscation” when in reality it’s because they know people would stop buying as many guns. Which hurts their profits.
Even just removing the FBIs requirement to destroy any evidence they’ve completed a background check on you within 24 hours, and making it so they can keep the record for a year would significantly reduce the amount of gun trafficking in the states, but nope.
That somehow infringes on the second amendment.
77
creamshaboogie4 days ago
+15
Facts, who needs em!
15
RttnAttorney4 days ago
+147
That wasn’t even Obama’s. That program was started under G.W. Bush, and conveniently lied about by conservatives.
147
bobbymcpresscot4 days ago
+55
100-250k firearms trafficked into Mexico every single year and conservatives lose their c*** because of 2000 guns total over 5 years.
55
airinato4 days ago
+41
Like everything else in our modern history, that was Republicans talking about what Republicans had done and blaming Democrats for it.
The FBI(which is really a Republican organization) didn't bother to tell the Obama administration until AFTER it was exposed.
41
YAKGWA_YALL4 days ago
+43
It's not that hypocrisy doesn't matter—it's a feature of their belief system. They can be hypocritical, but their enemies are not allowed to.
43
IaMm1N34 days ago
+25
Melts my brain
25
Kdzoom354 days ago
+19
Don't forget my guy Oliver North
19
bobbymcpresscot4 days ago
+26
The gun walking started under Bush. With a bush us attorney and a bush ATF.
People thought to be weapons traffickers were allowed to buy firearms with trackers on them in the hopes that we would find where the weapons wound up.
The federal government allowed 2000 firearms over 5 years to cross into Mexico and they lost most of them.
For reference it’s estimated that at least 100k firearms get trafficked into Mexico every year.
This is a conservative estimate because some studies show 250k, Mexico themselves say it’s closer to 500k.
Anyone who complains about fast and furious but also doesn’t support a national registry for firearms is a goober of the highest order.
26
GamemasterJeff4 days ago
+10
Not to mention is changes the Iran war from "government executing unarmed protestors" to "Government defends against insurrection backed by foreign power"
10
SenorPinchy4 days ago
+20
I don't necessarily believe that part. He's trying to explain why we haven't seen the uprising they were trying to foment. It's just as likely that certain groups did receive the weapons but are not organized or stupid enough to take to the streets (yet).
20
cameron42004 days ago
+41
2 fast 2 furious?
41
LowResGamr4 days ago
+29
Didn't he accuse Obama of trafficking guns to cartels?
29
Heisenberg_2354 days ago
+22
“Barack Obama. Barack HUSSEIN Obama.”
22
wagdog844 days ago
+6
Iran-Contra all over again.
6
Bizarrebazaars4 days ago
+15
Funding guns and this war with US taxpayer dollars while they plan to slash healthcare programs and continue to f*** Americans over with higher grocery and gas prices.
15
Enigmatic_Observer4 days ago
+583
So are we getting any benefits from warfighters or contras in South America this time?
Who’s going to take up the Oliver North mantle at Fox News after this one?
583
Johnny554 days ago
+182
Probably Oliver North
182
karateninjazombie4 days ago
+77
They don't need an Oliver north this time. They are just admitting it all on television.
77
kstargate-4254 days ago
+14
I'd bet good money on Kegsbreath being the next one thrown under the bus for Trumps incompetence once this war is over and more comes out
14
NocturnalSaaS4 days ago
+224
Because arming the Kurds to fight a proxy war has worked so well in the past and nothing bad ever happened.
224
johnnycyberpunk4 days ago
+795
So was this like 500 rifles?
Or 5,000?
M-16s or AKs?
I’m assuming we also provided them bullets…?
This feels like a HUGE deal to have lost track of.
795
Flaksim4 days ago
+631
Lol that's nothing:
* A 2016 investigation by the non-profit Action on Armed Violence looked at 14 years of Pentagon contracts. They found that out of 1.5 million firearms provided to Iraqi and Afghan security forces, the Department of Defense only had records for about 700,000. That means roughly 800,000 weapons effectively vanished from the books.
* A Government Accountability Office report in 2007 revealed the US completely lost track of 190,000 weapons (specifically 110,000 AK-47s and 80,000 pistols) meant for Iraqi security forces in just a couple of years.
* In 2020, a Pentagon Inspector General report found that the US failed to properly account for $715 million worth of weapons and gear funneled to anti-ISIS allies in Syria, leaving "thousands" of weapons vulnerable to loss or theft.
* Recent Pentagon audits have admitted to losing track of over $1 billion in military gear sent to Ukraine due to monitoring shortfalls, and they have struggled to properly track massive portions of the military aid sent to Israel.
Losing track of a couple of thousand assault rifles seems trivial by comparison.
631
princesspeeved4 days ago
+104
Didn’t we lose an entire naval ship once a few years ago? Like how do you lose something like that? Blows my mind, yet is unsurprising at the same time.
Edit: Typo
104
Andromeda9024 days ago
+17
Which one was that? Thats nuts
17
starspangledcats4 days ago
+15
Do we know for sure that they existed in the first place? Is it possible someone has been stealing money and the sale was fake? I don't know enough about the process to know if that's a feasible explanation but it's where my mind went immediately.
15
Flaksim4 days ago
+32
Well the Department of Defense has **never** passed a comprehensive financial audit. Not once. They are the only major federal agency with that track record. So make of that what you will, but to me it's wild that ever more money gets thrown at a department that by all indications is either operating with significant accountancy flaws, or, more likely, massive fraud.
32
vileguynsj4 days ago
+14
Why keep track of assets when you can just ask for another 300b whenever you feel like it
14
Howllat4 days ago
+38
This is the US we are talking about, they send guns to any potentially usable militia or resistance group. And have been for decades.
38
lanicorain4 days ago
+17
People who think Trump began the USA's bad geopolitical reputation are basically blue MAGA.
17
Howllat4 days ago
+6
I feel that and probably a lot of liberal who just truly believed in the status quo and had their heads buried.
But its a time to educate
6
Char_siu_for_you4 days ago
+53
Nobody mentioned that we needed to send ammo. Whoopsie.
53
The-cultured-swine394 days ago
+676
Look at us trying to destabilize the region. Again.
676
Relevant-Ad22544 days ago
+30
I think we’re past trying. More like “look at HOW MUCH we destabilized the region. Again.”
30
Locke23004 days ago
+225
This also makes the “Iran is killing its protesters!” look a lot less like “Iran does a thousand Kent States” and a lot more like “Iran fights a short civil war”.
225
10dollarbagel4 days ago
+104
I was told that I was an idiot for saying this was a distinct possibility by people who's entire knowledge of American history comes from Hollywood movies.
104
eyesayuhh4 days ago
+60
Iran's foreign minister said exactly this. And CIA/Mossad have implied as much. Trump's comment only adds to the evidence.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-frustrated-that-mossad-promises-of-iran-uprising-have-fallen-short/
It's our playbook to justify intervention. Sanction the place to shit, foment discontent because of said sanctions, then arm any opposition groups. Blowback is a thing. It happened when we armed Osama bin laden/mujahideen to fight the Russians. Matter of time before we start reaping what we sowed again.
60
Suibian_ni4 days ago
+11
Hell, they already did this to Iran in the 1950s.
11
AdeptPlantain18394 days ago
+54
This is the comment I was looking for, they are admitting to basically astroturfing an insurgency. Reports on the ground were of armed groups.
54
BabylonianWeeb4 days ago
+37
US wants iran to be balkanized like Yugoslavia
37
USRaven4 days ago
+161
He sent these weapons to the same operators who he abandoned and left for dead, mid-fight, in 2019, after our troops on the ground embedded with them and earned their trust.
People forget that part.
This move essentially said: here’s a gift. A resupply. Now go in and soften them up for us.
On what planet does this person live?
161
DestructicusDawn4 days ago
+1011
Good on the Kurds for keeping the weapons. No reason to die as fodder in another CIA suicide campaign.
1011
Battlejesus4 days ago
+475
You can only use and f*** over a group so many times before they get wise and f*** you first
475
movealongnowpeople4 days ago
+267
That's the comment I was looking for. Why would the Kurds have *any* faith in the US at this point? *Especially* the Pedo. He's who abandoned them most recently.
267
DesireeThymes4 days ago
+62
I mean why would **anyone** have faith in the US these days.
Most Americans don't have faith in the US anymore.
62
Nezgul4 days ago
+71
More than that.
There's many historical examples of ethnic minorities being cleansed when the ethnic majority's government becomes unstable or collapses. Having the means to defend themselves means the Kurds are significantly more likely to survive this clusterfuck regardless of the outcome.
And, bonus points, they haven't given the Iranian government a legitimate reason to label them subversives that need to be crushed.
71
Brave_Nerve_68714 days ago
+20
US will soon leave Iran and Kurds would be abandoned, once again
20
[deleted]4 days ago
+14
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14
Ryansit4 days ago
+319
Trump betrayed the Kurds once why would they let him do it again.
319
The-cultured-swine394 days ago
+104
We did the same in Iraq. Let’s not pretend Trump is the only one to dip his toes into that pool.
104
ThouHastLostAn8th4 days ago
+52
> We did the same in Iraq. Let’s not pretend Trump is the only one
Wasn't that Trump as well? Iraq 2017 and Syria 2019 were both during his 1st term. Unless this is a reference all the way back to the HW administration in '91?
52
KangarooOverlord4 days ago
+21
The answer is yes all around. And probably a lot more before Bush, and in between the two time frame you mentioned. The Kurds have always been a strategic partner that we never actually cared for helping them once they finished helping us.
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papercult4 days ago
+71
So now he likes armed protesters, got it. Hard to keep up sometimes
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SSWBGUY4 days ago
+26
Correct me if im weong but when you screw the he Kurds as many times as the USA has then dont act surprised when they screw you back
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SuchProcedure45474 days ago
+166
Don't blame the Kurds really.
They've been betrayed by Trump and America before, may as well take advantage of the stupidity while they can.
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banandarin4 days ago
+35
There's a saying that the Kurds have which that they "have no friends but the mountains". Definitely can't be upset they did this.
It'll be interesting to see if any of those guns end up in PKK Hands and back in Turkey....
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KirkDeepthroatGOAT4 days ago
+12
I'm not upset at all that the Kurds took the guns and ran. If I was one of them, I'd do the exact f****** same for how the US has used and thrown them aside.
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ripyourlungsdave4 days ago
+20
Yes. Providing weapons to rebel movements to force a regime change always works out well.
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HawkeyeGild4 days ago
+17
Remember when republican cried about Benghazi for 8 years? The Trump admin shows their ineptitude on a daily basis at that scale
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danm674 days ago
+16
No wonder he accuses protestors in the US of being sponsored by foreign interests. He does it so everybody must be doing it.
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TheBoosThree4 days ago
+95
>“We sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds. And I think the Kurds kept them,” Mr Trump told Fox News on Sunday.
>“We sent guns to the protesters, a lot of them. And I think the Kurds took the guns.”
*Sigh*
Well, at least we owe the Kurds something anyways? Though I have no idea if this specific group is one of the ones we've abandoned in the past.
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Flaksim4 days ago
+109
The Kurds in general got screwed over by the US like almost 10 times by now so eh.
Just the things I can recall:
* The Post-WWI Treaty of Lausanne (1923): After World War I, the Treaty of Sèvres (1920) initially promised the Kurds an autonomous state. However, the Western powers (including the U.S., which supported the Wilsonian principle of self-determination) pivoted to the Treaty of Lausanne to appease the new Republic of Turkey. This treaty ignored Kurdish claims entirely, dividing their traditional lands between Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and leaving them as the world's largest stateless ethnic group.
* The 1975 Algiers Accord: the Nixon administration (orchestrated by Henry Kissinger) encouraged Iraqi Kurds to rebel against Saddam Hussein to benefit the Shah of Iran. When Iran and Iraq reached a territorial agreement (the Algiers Accord), the U.S. abruptly halted all aid. The rebellion collapsed, and thousands were killed or displaced. Kissinger famously remarked at the time, "Covert action should not be confused with missionary work."
* The 1988 "Anfal" Campaign: During the Iran-Iraq War, the U.S. provided intelligence and economic support to Saddam Hussein despite knowing he was using chemical weapons against the Kurds. The U.S. did not intervene during the Halabja chemical attack or the broader Anfal genocide, which killed between 50,000 and 182,000 Kurds.
* The 1991 Post-Gulf War Uprising: After the Gulf War, President George H.W. Bush encouraged Iraqis to rise up against Saddam. When the Kurds did so, the U.S. did not provide the expected military support. Saddam’s forces crushed the rebellion, leading to a humanitarian crisis where millions fled into the mountains.
* The 1996 Internal Conflict: During a period of Kurdish infighting in Northern Iraq, one faction (the KDP) briefly aligned with Saddam Hussein to oust a rival. The U.S. failed to protect its local CIA-backed opposition personnel in Erbil, many of whom were captured and executed by Iraqi forces as the U.S. withdrew.
* The 2003 Post-Invasion Stabilization: Following the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the Kurds were the most reliable allies on the ground. However, during the drafting of the new Iraqi constitution the Kurds felt the U.S. repeatedly prioritized the demands of Sunni and Shia Arab factions in Baghdad over Kurdish territorial and constitutional rights. Specifically, the U.S. failed to enforce Article 140 of the Iraqi Constitution, which was supposed to resolve the status of disputed territories like Kirkuk via a referendum. By letting this stall for over a decade, the U.S. left the Kurds vulnerable to the eventual 2017 crackdown.
* The 2017 Independence Referendum: After Iraqi Kurds voted overwhelmingly for independence, the Iraqi central government moved to retake the oil-rich city of Kirkuk. Despite the Kurds being a primary U.S. ally against ISIS, the U.S. remained neutral, allowing Baghdad to seize roughly 40% of Kurdish-controlled territory.
* The 2019 Withdrawal from Northern Syria: President Trump ordered a sudden withdrawal of U.S. troops from the Syrian-Turkish border. This move effectively "greenlit" a Turkish military incursion against the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), who had served as the U.S.'s primary ground partner in the fight against ISIS and had suffered over 11,000 casualties in that effort.
And now Trump is surprised some of them might have said "f*** this agreement with the US"? lol.
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TransplantedSconie4 days ago
+28
Holy shit. We've fucked them over for 103 years.
Id keep a shitload of freely given weapons too.
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Puzzleheaded-Newt6334 days ago
+14
Sounds like the Iran - Contra scandal during the Reagan administration where Rwagan sold arms to the Contras.
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2enty44 days ago
+12
Lol Trump literally making America self implode right now by admitting to have incited violence during Iran protests. Keep self destruction yourself
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Knees0ck4 days ago
+24
If there's something the USA is good at, is creating future problems today.
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cplforlife4 days ago
+32
CIA play book.
They've done this kinda thing since their inception.
Arming an enemy's enemies is an old, old concept.
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powerlesshero1114 days ago
+9
Remember when we gave a bunch of guns down in Mexico, and now cartels run everything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
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__loss__4 days ago
+28
So the protest in Iran was just an armed coup attempt. Makes sense why they were killing """protesters"""
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Positive-Road39034 days ago
+9
'US supporting terrorist groups thru proxy terrorists'
Isnt that a more proper title?
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kagethemage4 days ago
+96
I want everyone to think about this for a second.
America put absurdly inhumane sanctions on Iran.
Then the economic conditions created protests.
Then America claimed that Iran was killing protesters and used it to justify bombs them.
Then Iran claimed it was separatists they killed and the numbers the US claimed were killed we drastically exaggerated.
Then American leaders claimed Iran was lying and all of the protesters were innocent protesters.
Now Trump admitted we armed separatists with weapons during civil unrest due to economic tensions created by our sanctions to try and do regime change.
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movezig1234 days ago
+35
America are the bad guys
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kagethemage4 days ago
+34
The only thing that has changed over the last 75 years is that now we are admitting to doing it in the moment instead of it being quietly admitted to in declassified documents released decades later.
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SendCatsNoDogs4 days ago
+13
>America put absurdly inhumane sanctions on Iran.
>Then the economic conditions created protests.
[The sanctions were deliberately designed to crash Iran's econmy to create unrest:](https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/2/13/us-says-it-caused-dollar-shortage-to-trigger-iran-protests-what-that-means)
>Before this, speaking with Fox News at the World Economic Forum last month in Davos, Bessent explained the role US sanctions played in driving the recent nationwide protests.
>“President Trump ordered Treasury … to put maximum pressure on Iran, and it’s worked,” he said. “Because in December, their economy collapsed. They are not able to get imports, and this is why the people took to the streets.”
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unexpectedhalfrican4 days ago
+8
Ah, the ol' Reagan playbook.
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ChooChutes4 days ago
+69
Imagine if China sent guns to BLM or Antifa. American exceptionalism again
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riomx4 days ago
+21
Operation Fat and Furious
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Aferimus4 days ago
+34
So basicaly the Iranian were fighting domestic terrorist. Good job Iran
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drumrhyno4 days ago
+7
Wait, I've seen this one before! The republican president arms the "rebel group" so that they will help fight the "common" enemy. What was it called, the Taliban?
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Longjumping_Cut43774 days ago
+13
Did they take a photo upon delivery like a door dash driver is required?
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a_cat_named_larry4 days ago
+7
I wonder if he’s genuinely unfamiliar with how that worked out in Afghanistan.
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CV90_1204 days ago
+6
...and the Kurds took them as payback for him getting them killed last term. lol. lmao even.
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I_Am_The_Mole4 days ago
+7
Iran Contra 2: Moronic Trumparoo
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Zulu-Lima4 days ago
+6
That is called the CIA
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slaxname4 days ago
+19
So Iran was telling the truth about guns in the protest?
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