Trump Tells Aides He’s Willing to End War Without Reopening Hormuz

Jesus Christ what a failure this a****** is.

That's a complete and total surrender. We didn't achieve a single objective. The most humiliating defeat in US history.

Hahaha wtf was even the point. Literally the whole world is worse off now. Thanks?

Soooo… what did we get out of this besides higher gas prices?

The quickest lost war in American history

Id like to congratulate Iran on winning the war on Iran

I know this might ruffle some feathers here but it needs to be said: I am just not super convinced that Trump had a good plan before attacking Iran.

We are past impeachment; there need to be trials.

Hold on now. He's going to get the market sizzling since his family got insider trading so they could buy low. This is where the market pumps and then his kids sell on Thursday. The market is closed friday and it's going to be a doozey of a weekend. How? The 82nd paratroopers have arrived and the Marines are in the region. Three day weekend for the markets. Expect something big this weekend.

I think this is how it ends, he just walks away and claims complete victory. Then blames Biden for high prices, and leaves it to the International community to negotiate passage through Hormuz

Europe needs to start negotiating with Iran immediately to pay to allow tankers to pass unimpeded. If only US and Israeli vessels are prohibited then who GAF.

>President Trump told aides he’s willing to end the U.S. military campaign against Iran even if the Strait of Hormuz remains largely closed, administration officials said, likely extending Tehran’s firm grip on the waterway and leaving a complex operation to reopen it for a later date. >In recent days, Trump and his aides assessed that a mission to pry open the chokepoint would push the conflict beyond his timeline of four to six weeks. He decided that the U.S. should achieve its main goals of hobbling Iran’s navy and its missile stocks and wind down current hostilities while pressuring Tehran diplomatically to resume the free flow of trade. If that fails, Washington would press allies in Europe and the Gulf to take the lead on reopening the strait, the officials said. Just this morning he was saying we were going to bomb the hell out of them if they didn't reopen and two days ago we are are sending over 10K more troops, but behind the scenes we are doing this? These people are so f****** dumb and incompetent and arrogant and just whatever other literal negative traits come to mind.

Eh more market manipulation

At this rate, the only accomplishment of this war will be a strengthened Iranian regime, and one that just learned a valuable lesson. The US doesn't invade an actual nuclear power with missile technology (North Korea) while neighboring a US ally, so if you're Iran, sitting close to Israel, your only protection against the US will be the North Korean path. That's the message Trump is sending to adversaries, old and new, and it will make the world a more dangerous place for decades.

Maga you fuckin dipshits. You voted for this!???

I legit thought Vietnam would potentially be the most embarrassing defeat of the U.S in the country’s history, followed by Dubya’s war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but this takes the cake on them all. Nothing was accomplished, Iran’s new ayatollah is actually worse than the old one, Iranian sanctions have been removed and they’re going to potentially put a toll into the Hormuz Strait so they’re making a shit ton of money, and billions wasted on bombing kids and fighting against drones that cost $20,000 each to make. What a damn travesty. Republicans should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of power for a century.

“Trump surrenders to Iran in humiliating loss, US place as global leader irrevocably damaged”, fixed the headline for you

By all accounts, Iran was committing to its end of the nuclear deal before Trump ripped it up. And this is according to US intelligence on the matter, the International Energy Agency and even *Trump administration officials* at the time. Obama's diplomacy intended to avoid a war like the one we're currently embroiled in. It intended to box in Iran's nuclear program. Iran only began building up its nuclear capabilities *after* Trump abandoned the JCPOA out of sheer spite for his predecessor. Since then, Trump has bombed Iran *twice* in the middle of negotiations. Which does not bode well for future talks. Iran has made it pretty clear that they're apprehensive to get involved in serious negotiations. And frankly, I don't blame them. In the past, almost every negotiation with Trump/Netanyahu has resulted in military escalation. During his first term, Trump failed to approach a new deal in any earnest or competent manner. All reports indicate it was unprofessional and unserious and involved officials who were *way* out of their depth. Then the second time around, Trump once again approached negotiations from a bad faith position. Nearly every analyst claims it was doomed from the start. But Trump still tried desperately to conceal his failures and shift the responsibility on Obama and Iran, which provided him with a false pretext to convince his mindless voters that there was no other recourse but to bomb Iran and later wage an open ended war against them. So there's little to no room for talks moving forward. The Trump administration has tarnished whatever good will it might have had left. Also, if Iran ever needed a practical reason to own and operate a nuclear weapon, Trump and Netanyahu just gave them one. I mean, what better assurance than mutually assured destruction? And now that Iran has leverage in the form of one-fifth control over the global oil trade and the power to cause world wide market shocks, for that matter, even influence over the American economy and the capacity to create diplomatic tensions between the US, its European and Asian/Middle eastern allies, the Islamic Republic can now make demands it never would have dreamed of making before the war. Also, as this war drags on, Iranians will become disenchanted with the idea of the US playing the role of their "liberators." Some Iranians even question whether regime change is realistic and whether this war will leave them better off than when it started. To make matters worse, for all its faults, its problems and its violent and repressive rule, the Iranian regime could end up unifying a portion of the population against a US/Israel military that's damn near indiscriminately bombing their schools, hospitals, heritage sites, civilian infrastructure and neighborhoods; displacing millions and killing thousands of noncombatants, some of them children... CHILDREN. Reminder that Donald Trump went from insisting upon Iran's unconditional surrender to pushing back deadlines, then to lying about having productive conversations with the Islamic Republic because he had no coherent strategy and he's been desperately searching for an offramp. At the same time, Iran has held firm. First refusing to submit to Trump's empty threats on social media, then denying Trump's claims of constructive peace talks, even going so far as to use his own rhetoric against him; calling his remarks "fake news." And don't forget that earlier in the war, Trump told the Iranian people to "rise up" and "overtake" their government so he could wipe his hands clean of the bloody aftermath of a war he started under false pretenses. Iranians didn't and still don't have the power to mount any sort of resistance, but Trump was hoping they would march to their deaths because he never had a plan for a drawn out conflict. Thanks to the Trump administration's poor planning, arrogance and incompetence, the US has inadvertently helped Iran secure an advantage in this war while also conceding some authority over to the Islamic Republic in matters of their sovereignty and the future of their nuclear weapons program. And after everything that's happened, Trump now seems like he would be happy with an agreement that resembles the one he previously discarded with no concern for the consequences of his actions. The US has so far achieved the opposite of its intended goals in this war.

I’m glad the WSJ editor used “reopening”. Needs to be communicated for the people in the back row: there was no problem *before*. 

Art of the deal.

So now we are basically just terrorists

Fifteen dead soldiers and billions of dollars spent to embolden Iran and its allies and leave the US and world worse off than before. Let me guess: Biden’s fault.

So let me get this straight… We…spent billions of dollars, exhausted precious missile interceptor resources, murdered a bunch of innocent school children, triggered an environmental catastrophe where toxic black soot rained down on a huge city full of civilians, got some US service members killed, plunged the global economy into chaos… And what we got out of it was…a crucial energy shipping lane got closed off to us. Art of the deal, baby!

Trump sets a corner of a house on fire to see how the whole arson thing works. Then the flames go higher and higher. Eventually the whole house is engulfed in flames. Trump gets bored, wants to just walk away from it.

So.... Attack Iran. Assassinate their leaders (during a truce while peace talks were underway and Iran was doing what we supposedly wanted!). Leave the Iranian people in an arguably worse situation. Get the straight closed which puts enormous pressure on Europe. Lift Russian oil sanctions. Redirect Ukrainian help and put enough pressure on Europe that they can't help as much. Destabilize the middle east and allow all of our allies in the region to get bombed to shit. Allow Israel to take over a third of a sovereign country as a "buffer zone" which also legitimatizes the Russians rhetoric. While manipulating and playing the stock market. Then leave the rest of the world to clean it up? It's everything Russia and Israel would do, if they could themselves... And it hurts the American people through raised prices on everything. Anyone for this please explain to me how you think we have helped and include an exit plan that leaves us better off than we were... Seriously, I'd like to hear opposing opinions (including the ramifications and end result of these actions)

This is the best possible outcome, and it could crash the global economy

This is all so f****** stupid. The dumb fuckers had the deal with Iran 5 years ago. His idiot son in law and pals didn’t even f****** understand the renegotiation so they just went and started bombing. US is stupid.

So he wouldn’t reopen the Hormuz Iran still could potentially make nukes There was no total regime change. Trump is going to say he “won” and he won greater than anyone has ever won anything but what the f*** did we actually accomplish?

Nah, just more market manipulation. Since this post went live, Oil futures dumped almost $7 and will be below $100 even though functionally nothing has changed - and also the Strait is closed to any US flagged ship, making it even less realistic. Silver and Gold are both taking off like f****** rockets for literally no change at all because it's almost f****** midnight. I expect him to 'fully surrender' at some point tomorrow, and then Wednesday he's going to April Fools Bomb a bunch of desalination plants. We're in too deep for this idiot to just call it a f****** loss.

Epstein's back on the menu boys

"America hurt itself in its confusion!"

In 2029 when a Democrat becomes President, its going to be considered a great accomplishment to them to reopen the straight of Hormuz back to the pre 2026 status quo.

Trump walked out onto the world stage, looked down, and pulled his own pants down. Nobody made him. There was a deal on the table February 27th. There was the option to never start this. There was the option to maintain the illusion indefinitely. Trump chose to find out.

Leaving his ball, going home, and saying he never had one

Just once before I die I want to see a competent American voting public. That doesn't mean everyone agreeing politically,. I just want to see a general public capable of recognizing obvious nutjobs like Trump, and the dangers that he and his allied congressional l and judicial allies pose. I used to get second hand embarrassment from the litany of obnoxious Americans traveling the world. I'd do anything to get back to that status quo. Instead, we still have the loud, inconsiderate, and overly confident stereotype, but have now added fascist beliefs and the enjoyment of watching others suffer. I really hope the remaining sane Americans are ready for when their not so opaque masks come off and they install their dream politica stature. A one party system where all but those completely aligned with Republican policy are allowed in government at any level.