He's never respected troops. His father didn't respect service members either. It was a big part of the falling out between Fred Trump and Fred Jr.
Fred Trump looked down on Jr for wanting to serve in the Air Force.
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Starfox-sfApr 2, 2026
+353
Or becoming a pilot instead of a slum lord.
353
0masterdebater0Apr 2, 2026
+241
That’s who told him people who serve in the military are “suckers and losers”
It’s is truly amazing how much damage can come out of one rich a******’s parents not loving them as a child.
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Virtual_Plantain_707Apr 2, 2026
+84
It doesn’t even require a rich a****** parent to f*** up a kid. Poor assholes do a good job as well.
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DrCharlesBartlebyApr 2, 2026
+26
Yes, but their children don't typically have the opportunity to turn into genocidal dictators, inflicting their daddy issues onto the entire world
26
EsternaefilApr 2, 2026
+64
Ah yes, I see you are familiar with 'red states'.
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NMSenditmfApr 2, 2026
+17
Love your profile pic ✊🏽
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VT_SquireApr 2, 2026
+17
Piggy backing because this is just the tip of the iceberg.
VA loan and disability payment is part and parcel of Military Service and have been for generations now. Conditions are given before enlistment or commission, so taking away those benefits AFTER the servicemember's obligation has been completed is a violation of the most basic tenets of a contract involving the U.S. Government. Don't ask me why, but this dude is going out of his way to give every demographic out there the legal standing to sue the Fed out of existence.
17
gigatensionApr 2, 2026
+4
At first I thought maybe it’s some big ploy for that to empty the fed even after he’s gone. But now I think it’s just because he doesn’t understand that no means no
4
TheManicac1280Apr 2, 2026
+3
Blaming fhe parents only go so far. 18-25? Sure. But not 30 years old, definitely not 79. Plenlty of time to learn and grow on his own
3
SublimotionApr 2, 2026
+2
That's the difference in dynamic of children that won't take the abusive and toxic parents' behavior and the golden child that would. If you have enough kids, eventually one (male child) would be that. In Fred's case, it was Donald. And Robert Trump was what Eric Trump is now, the puppy that wants to be along for the ride to appease dad.
The bigger question is what would Barron become after Donald Trump is gone. The next spawn of Hitler that would dominate politics and truly reign in american fascism with the like of an old wrinkled Stephen Miller by his ear, or a Justin Bieber/Shia Lebf who just parties off of his dad's wealth and nothing more. I truly for the the latter.
2
PeopleB4ProfitApr 2, 2026
+115
It is the whole trump family and they are not alone. Vets we fight for corrupt wealth and their profits! If we are lucky, we die for them. If unlucky we have a life of oppression, hate, death and everything their Christian God mentions about wealth in the Bible. Citizens United and Project 2025 are designed to KILL American Democracy and get rid of the unworthy WOKE Americans!
While John McCain was learning how to be a Great Leader, trump was raping little girls in Macy's (most likely)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgEIh1VMTL8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgEIh1VMTL8)
The goal of Project 2025:
"To destroy every democratic organization, every democracy and all democracy supporting people in the world"!
The Citizens United/Project 2025 Cabal need to be served Nuremberg Style: public trials, public incarcerations and public executions, along with war and political criminals. If not, America Falls and Fails and their next generation will show our children and grandchildren less mercy and take the rest of humanity from them.
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BringOn25AApr 2, 2026
+28
[WAR IS A RACKET](https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/butlersd-warisaracket/butlersd-warisaracket-00-e.html)
BY
SMEDLEY D. BUTLER
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joshbuddeApr 2, 2026
+26
Smedley Butler--the Marine's Marine. Went around the world doing the dirty work for the US government. Became disillusioned almost immediately, gave fiery speeches about it. Was selected by a bunch of rich industrialists who wanted to duplicate Hitler's coup in Germany as the leader of the revolt, he turned them in instead of being made a puppet dictator.
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pimparo0Apr 2, 2026
+4
I'm still not sure why they thought he would be their guy.
4
joshbuddeApr 2, 2026
+16
I think it was because he was wildly popular amongst veterans and they assumed he'd go along with it for money and power and a few platitudes about helping his fellow veterans.
Of course, we see how turning them in turned out for him--the industrialists got off scot-free while he was publicly mocked and made a fool of in popular media
16
JnnyRuthlessApr 2, 2026
+7
Similar thing happened to Smedley in Philadelphia. They brought him in to clean up political and police corruption as the police commisioner (I think that was his position, could be wrong) and thought he'd play along. Imagine their surprise when he started rooting out corruption for real. They immediately got rid of him.
Highly recommend reading a biography on him, really interesting guy. Did some horrible things in his career but got very disillusioned. Also earned two Medals of Honor during his time.
7
chasingjulianApr 2, 2026
+69
I’ve never understood Trumps support among the military.
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sbrollApr 2, 2026
+38
He panders so he can get votes, its really that simple. Same with the christians. Between the vets and wannabe christians, he wins elections.
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gooch_crawlerApr 2, 2026
+16
He's a populist. Populists just say dumb shit everyone likes and then has "visions of a plan" for every issue. No specifics.
16
2099ADApr 2, 2026
+4
The Military and religious groups are taught to just blindly obey authority figures.
Not saying every single person in those groups do so, but consider the sheer number of "Christian" Nationalists doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the Bible says.
4
Majestic-Sandwich695Apr 2, 2026
+20
They like he’s mean. Not too complicated unfortunately, they were taught in boot camp to listen to people screaming in their faces about how horrible they are.
20
hakugeneApr 2, 2026
+10
Its exactly the same as the Trump supporters in any other demographic. Women, poor people, black people, white people, Latinos, whatever. They're either shitty people or very, very, very, very stupid, and sometimes both.
10
Embarrassed_JerkApr 2, 2026
+6
Yup 65 % of active military and about the same veterans even after a decade of him openly telling them how little he thinks of them
6
Main_Paramedic_292Apr 2, 2026
+4
Ah, veterans. Overwhelmingly vote for someone who wants to cut welfare programs while being the ones to benefit the most per capita of all welfare recipients while receiving free universal healthcare.
4
Embarrassed_JerkApr 2, 2026
+8
And voting to cut VA funding while complaining VA doesn't do enough
8
KafeenHedakeApr 2, 2026
+6
It's the cult of masculinity that's inherent in fascism.
6
tracyingeApr 2, 2026
+3
Just tweet "Jane Fonda is a traitor" and you've got half of them right there.
3
boojiboy1984Apr 2, 2026
+7
It's not the whole military, just the loud, obnoxious, uneducated and bigoted enlisted flank. Usually one and done types who joined just for the benefits and cache. They generally come equipped with a pitbull, a harley, and a couple of divorces.
7
nubbinatorApr 2, 2026
+9
The numbers I saw said 65-70% of active military and vets voted for Trump. That's a significant majority. You can say it's just the enlisted, but a look at the brass in the Air Force and other branches will quickly show you that's not the case.
9
Moist_Veterinarian69Apr 2, 2026
+5
I think the big issue is somehow the right has convinced everyone they’re pro military, and for the working class, and there’s a belief the left is anti military. I’ve had this talk with quite a few other veterans and pointed out how the right has been constantly attacking the VA benefits but they just don’t care half the time, it really is an odd phenomenon. I guess people would rather continue to shoot themselves in the foot than admit they’re wrong, too much pride.
5
Old_Key_0Apr 2, 2026
+3
Yeah I’m a vet and was sharing with two vet coworkers how trump and Hegseth are going after our benefits and they were like “huh, I hadn’t heard anything about that.” These people aren’t idiots, they handle nuclear technology. Jesus!
3
Main_Paramedic_292Apr 2, 2026
+6
And a GMC 2500HD with a Punisher decal and DV plate, an M4 silhouette t-shirt, a sleeve tattoo, a full-time job in rural law enforcement, a successful lawyer's lifestyle with a GED, no property taxes, free school for dependants, no need to save for retirement, and a sign on his front lawn during 4th of July discouraging fireworks while he laughs and shoots 3 gun every Saturday.
6
Orange_KidApr 2, 2026
+3
Everyone I know who has served in the military has pretty much the same assessment of the average intelligence/knowledge/education of the enlisted personnel who make up most of the military.
3
WhoopingWillowApr 2, 2026
+2
There are a lot of demographic groups that support Trump despite how his administrations have targeted them. Double check my numbers here, but iirc something like 45% of white women and a majority of Hispanic men voted for him in the last election.
Beyond that, I'd bet people with Republican backgrounds are more likely to join the military than those from Democrat backgrounds. Enlisted military mostly come from three backgrounds: those with few opportunities, those from military families, and true believers. The 'few opportunities' group are pretty evenly split politically and are the largest group, but the other two probably skew Republican.
At least that is what I saw in the Air Force. Most of us grew up in poverty and saw the military as a way out, and we were pretty evenly split with those from rural areas being Republican and those from urban/suburban areas being Democrat. People who were military brats or true believers were way more likely to be Republican.
2
GuacsalsaquesoApr 2, 2026
+2
Racism. It’s always racism. If you are t a multi-millionaire, you like him because of racism. If you’re rich, it’s both, but probably more of the greed than anything with that wealthy tax bracket
2
GringoSwannApr 2, 2026
+2
He is allowed to r***, murder & steal... That's why people like him...
2
FartJamboreeApr 2, 2026
+45
MAGA hates veterans. They love the military, because they are still able to go fight and die, but once we become veterans and need to be cared for we’re a burden they can’t afford
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KeptlosingmyloginsApr 2, 2026
+23
Oh, its like a fetus, once its out its fucked
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andyraylanApr 2, 2026
+3
Exactly! Never made this connection before, but it’s accurate.
3
DingmannApr 2, 2026
+9
I know a bit about their family history but didn't know that.
TIL
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KnuckledraggrApr 2, 2026
+18
Don’t forget that the Trumps came to America because Donny’s grandfather was fleeing his compulsory military service in Germany. He eventually tried to go back to Germany and reinstate his citizenship but was refused. That’s why the Trumps are our problem now. They are all cowardly, grifting, dishonest shits.
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Condottiero_MagnoApr 2, 2026
+2
>Don’t forget that the Trumps came to America because Donny’s grandfather was fleeing his compulsory military service in Germany.
[Historian finds German decree banishing Trump's grandfather](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree)
[Trump's Grandfather Was Deported from Bavaria?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trumps-grandfather-deported/)
Friedrich Drumpf emigrated to avoid poverty, something a lot of Germans did in the 19th Century, and he financially supported his sisters in New York out of habit. He forgot to de-register and this is what caused issues when his wife became homesick. Even if he deliberately fled to avoid conscription, I'm not going to fault someone for avoiding it.
His son Fred and most of the grand kids and great grand kids are pos, but you can't guarantee how your descendants turn out.
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EatRichGrainsApr 2, 2026
+7
I learned that tidbit from Mary Trump's book.
7
SolPlayaArenaApr 2, 2026
+8
He literally called POWs losers and yet, the majority of service members support him soooo…
8
1970s_MonkeyKingApr 2, 2026
+3
Fred Sr killed the wrong one.
3
walterpeck3Apr 2, 2026
+3
The one smart thing Donnie ever did was swear off drinking because of his brother. Too bad, really. The world would have been better off if he wasn't smart that one time.
3
Gullible_Grape_9959Apr 2, 2026
+3
Fred Jr. was a Pilot for TWA. The family treated him very poorly. He ended up drinking himself to death.
3
edelweiss_pirates_noApr 2, 2026
+3
Vets voted for Trump 65-70% (depending on how you scrub the data).
I have no fucks to give to any vets for anything.
3
LorenzoakApr 2, 2026
+448
He reportedly called fallen soldiers "suckers and losers." Absolutely no one should be shocked that his administration's policies treated living veterans with the exact same level of blatant contempt.
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TrueLegateDamarApr 2, 2026
+167
I am however shocked he keeps getting so many veteran votes.
167
Creative-Package6213Apr 2, 2026
+234
I'm not. I served with a lot of dumb people.
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huge_dick_mcgeeApr 2, 2026
+43
I wish I could have data on what percentage of those people don’t have a narrative voice in their head compared to the average population.
My hypothesis is that the number is much higher.
It would at least explain why they don’t seem to have the cognitive ability to reason their own ideas independently
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Traditional_Sign4941Apr 2, 2026
+19
I've always been fascinated by this idea - what is it like living without the ability to have rational, independent thoughts? Or even if you do, what is it like lacking the ability to simply have the mental flexibility to change what you believe when you change what you know? What is it like lacking the basic curiosity needed to even seek new information?
How many people in the population are like this in one way or another, and to what degree are they like this?
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Hell0There2005Apr 2, 2026
+13
Its not hard to imagine. Find a problem you have in life, now blame a group with no power and absolve any and all accountability
13
Broken-Digital-ClockApr 2, 2026
+6
The little voice in my head wouldn't let me get away with such lazy thinking.
6
brokenmessiahApr 2, 2026
+8
I was never under the impression the people around me in the Army even knew current news events and just voted Trump, if they voted at all, because he's the only politician they actually know by name.
8
Daniel0745Apr 2, 2026
+5
I was pretty blown away when I got to Ft. Benning and realized how stupid 3/4 of my fellow recruits were lol. Like couldnt believe it. I can't be too smart either picking the infantry.
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[deleted]Apr 2, 2026
+5
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LaughingJackStudioApr 2, 2026
+7
In our history of great artists and thinkers many have come from poverty and hardship. I think this is a bad overgeneralization.
7
ErigionApr 2, 2026
+2
Vets have traditionally voted conservative even before Trump.
2
yourlittlebirdieApr 2, 2026
+18
Nah, these are the kind of people who are willing to accept losing their own homes as long as immigrant families are being put through terrible suffering.
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mekese2000Apr 2, 2026
+11
Maybe he was right about the suckers part.
11
beastwarkingApr 2, 2026
+16
This is speculation on my part, and mostly anecdotal, but about 1/3 of veterans are receiving disability payments. I feel like a lot of vets just sit around, consuming right-wing news, and constantly agonizing over potential cuts to their disability checks.
And since immigrants are constantly blamed for reasons why social services need to be cut, vets throw their hat in with the same people that love to create more disabled vets with no intention of taking care of them when they get home.
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geomasterApr 2, 2026
+13
it's so bizzare that the veterans are receiving all these government benefits yet they call for the opposite. I suppose it's the I got mine, piss off and get your own hypocrisy.
the VA is the most socialized form of healthcare and most veterans are using it. It is terribly expensive costing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS to cover such a small percentage of the US population.
donald does not care about veterans. he doesn't care about anyone but himself. why would anyone support a convicted felon hellbent on destroying American democracy is quite puzzling
13
Acrobatic-Dot-6273Apr 2, 2026
+3
It's the racism that draws them in. White supremacy is a hell of a drug.
3
bean0_burritoApr 2, 2026
+3
a lot of people in the military are just as dumb as people out of the military.
3
pingpongballreaderApr 2, 2026
+2
Maga is only united in wanting to hurt everyone else. They imagine they're on the same side and will never really be one of the people crushed by the cruelty. Reality and standing FOR anything never was a factor, hence why almost none of the magas moved when it was clear he was the Epstein files or when he went from pretending he was isolationist to the dumbest forever war possible.
Veteran MAGAs convinced themselves this absurd narcissist will destroy everyone but him and them, despite all evidence to the contrary.
2
FiveDollarsGOHApr 2, 2026
+2
I’m not. Time to stop pretending they’re our best and brightest.
2
clscls73Apr 2, 2026
+41
Not repotedly, he's on camera saying that.
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LeraldoeApr 2, 2026
+25
I hate the way the news is reported now, like it was a rumor he may have said it
25
knight2c6Apr 2, 2026
+2
>Not repotedly, he's on camera saying that.
No he's not, that's why it's "reportedly".
2
CockBrotherApr 2, 2026
+30
Some are suckers. Meet a vet prior to Trump's reelection who was a Trump supporter. Wearing the hat and everything. Thought privatizing the VA was a great idea. Said it'd improve his healthcare. Had lots of other right wing media talking points in his head. Not sorry for those guys at all. Sorry for everyone else they're inflicting damage on.
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crazycatgayApr 2, 2026
+4
Four Star General John Kelly all but confirmed his comments about calling them suckers and losers and the infamous "what was in it for them?" comment
4
DangerpaladinApr 2, 2026
+2
I have zero respect for veterans that vote for Trump.
2
Mysterious-Tie7039Apr 2, 2026
+238
Happy for all of them that voted for him.
How any veteran could vote for someone who not only was a draft dodger but besmirched the military in every way possible is beyond me.
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Devilofchaos108070Apr 2, 2026
+72
I agree. I’m a vet and I have no idea why any vet would vote for him
72
Dramatic_Echo9987Apr 2, 2026
+33
My whole family and me are as well. (At least 40% of immediate family including one killed in Afghanistan ). Anyway, most voted for him. Most get disability and are DEI cases that are too selfish to accept it. At least 3 of them used the VA home loan program. All think they are entitled to their benefits and anyone not military is not entitled, and they consider everyone else to be stealing their tax dollars. It’s the same mentality at the VFW or in the halls of the VA.
Reality is plenty of selfish horrible humans join and want the worst for everyone that’s not them.
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InnerWrathChildApr 2, 2026
+4
I’m a human being and have no idea why any human being would vote for him.
4
BittererrApr 2, 2026
+25
Clearly it's just another example of noble veterans sacrificing their own well being in order to make their enemies suffer. Too bad they've been convinced their enemies are immigrants and trans people.
25
Starbucks__LoversApr 2, 2026
+13
Well you see, there was a photoshopped topless woman with body paint that said “Trump,” so clearly that’s why.
This is a real story. Someone in the army while in Kuwait showed said picture to a 19 year old female private. He’s fortunately no longer in the army
13
AvocadoToastFailureApr 2, 2026
+19
I joined the Army to escape an abusive childhood home. I literally had to steal my documents and run off in the night just to get to boot camp. This was early 2001, and I had very limited options. Coming from a small town with cops in the family, I had to run far and fast and protected. The Army base was the first place I felt like they couldn’t come get me.
I spent 10 years in as a medic. Every morning I had to get up, put my boots on, *prove myself as a woman and a soldier*, and then do the same job as everyone else. Every. Single. Day. At best it was good ‘ol boy talk and not being taken seriously, at worst straight up sexual assault.
I came out the other side as a progressive feminist. I’ve done some work with one of our local community veteran centers with LGBT and sexual assault survivor programs, I’m not alone in my beliefs. A lot of federal employee veterans are not happy, either.
Anyway, the veteran named Jason that you SEE wearing the Grunt Style shirt and embroidered hat rolling coal from his lifted truck is not representing all veterans. They just happen to be the ones literally waving flags for attention.
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Mysterious-Tie7039Apr 2, 2026
+8
I too served. I understand there are plenty of veterans out there who don’t support Trump and actively oppose him.
I also know how conservative the military as a whole is.
But I don’t understand shit like a Vietnam veteran, of all f****** wars, handing Trump his Purple Heart.
My point is that I have zero sympathy for any veteran who supports this fascist rapist piece of shit that has suffered as a result.
8
flippingisfunApr 2, 2026
+3
They volunteered to go to war, not really the best people to count on for critical thinking.
3
Whiskeydrinkin9Apr 2, 2026
+3
> How any veteran could vote for someone who not only was a draft dodger but besmirched the military in every way possible is beyond me.
It's bigotry. That's the only reason for probably 99% of republican voters. I know that number seems like an exaggeration, but I genuinely don't think it is.
3
jxx37Apr 2, 2026
+2
Among military and ex-military something like 70% voted for him?
2
Mysterious-Tie7039Apr 2, 2026
+2
Yeah, the military, especially enlisted, are very conservative.
2
gringledoomApr 2, 2026
+42
My sympathies to any affected vets who voted for Kamala Harris.
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Realistic_Can_2730Apr 2, 2026
+89
Classic "thank you for your service" followed by a swift kick to the teeth. It’s wild how we spend billions on overseas conflicts but can’t find the pocket change to keep a vet in their living room. The VA basically told these guys, "Glad you survived the IED, but good luck surviving this interest rate." It’s peak irony—fighting for a country that won't even fight for your mortgage. Imagine coming home from a tour just to get outmaneuvered by a bunch of suits and a spreadsheet. Absolutely soul-crushing.
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Professional-Sock-66Apr 2, 2026
+61
At happy hour later today the local Veterans Center parking lot will be packed with vehicles plastered with trump flags and stickers. I love the lifted Ram Truck with the F**K Kamala flag on 1 side, the Eagle,Globe, and Anchor Flag on the other side. I guarantee for some it's a Leopards Eating Faces buffet.
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DaringPancakesApr 2, 2026
+14
The child rapist had a photoshoot at Arlington and harassed the service people there.
America made him a billionaire.
Clown country. 🤡🇺🇸
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rockclimberguyApr 2, 2026
+15
He did say that veterans are 'suckers and losers'....
15
Tun-Tavern-1775Apr 2, 2026
+5
Trump was actually referring to the more than 1800 Marines who died during the Battle of Belleau Wood in WWI as "suckers" for getting killed. The "loser" part was during another conversation on the same trip to France in 2018. He did however refer to Captain McCain (later Senator) in 2015 as a loser for being captured during the Vietnam war. So yeah, the disdain for stronger people who don't worship him definitely still exist.
5
BryteInsightApr 2, 2026
+133
American veterans overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
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ThatLooksRightApr 2, 2026
+79
I (vet) voted against him every time, but I certainly acknowledge that way too many active duty and vets voted for him for some reason.
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Imaginary_Hamster847Apr 2, 2026
+50
Unfortunately (and purposefully) a lot of people who join the military are dumbasses who join because they guzzled down a lot of right wing propaganda. I was enlisted for 6 years and heard all sorts of wildly dumb shit like the kid who said "I'd fight the government with my rifle" while we sat in the control room for the *nuclear reactor powered boat that shoots fighter jets*.
No doubt that kid is currently a huge ICE supporter.
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StephenFishApr 2, 2026
+4
He probably works for ICE now.
4
argumentinvalidApr 2, 2026
+7
They are racist and misogynist. People can try and explain it 50 different ways, but this is the simple straightforward answer to the question more often than not.
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StephenFishApr 2, 2026
+3
They just want everyone who isn't a cis, (openly) het, white, Christian nationalist to die. They're too chicken-shit to say it out loud so they tap dance around it with weird spaghetti logic and cognitive dissonance and that's why none of it ever makes any sense. It's just there to hide the quiet part (that isn't so quiet now).
3
Saram78Apr 2, 2026
+20
It's wild to me that this is the case. When I was in the Army I saw the waste first hand.. our defense budget could be trimmed A LOT to no real detriment. But so many soldiers just think "Defense budget= money for me" and vote Republican.
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Wretched_GourdApr 2, 2026
+6
That cannot seriously be the mindset.. oof
6
ConsiderationDry9084Apr 2, 2026
+3
Yep. My FIL has a massive hard on for any Republican because Clinton closed bases during his administration. That is his *stated* reason for voting against his best interest.
3
Wretched_GourdApr 2, 2026
+3
Like those dots do not connect whatsoever, it’s bizzare anyone could decide their vote like that
3
ConsiderationDry9084Apr 2, 2026
+3
Again, we all know the real reason these guys vote the way they do.
They just know they need a socially acceptable excuse to say out loud when justifying their positions.
My FIL is a massive piece of shit that even while he is fighting cancer we are extremely low contact with him and his wife.
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Wretched_GourdApr 2, 2026
+2
You’re right, it is totally a front for their ghoulish behavior.
2
existing_for_funApr 2, 2026
+17
I'm a vet and voted against him
My brother and his wife are vets and both voted for him. SMH.
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DelBocaVistaRealtor-Apr 2, 2026
+3
This Veteran sure the f*** didn’t.
3
Fit_Smile1146Apr 2, 2026
+12
I came here to say this.
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sneakysneakyheheheheApr 2, 2026
+6
Old vets are most of the vets, old vets are old male and white to an extremely high percentage, which as a demographic vote mostly republican in the non vet world too. Young vets are far more diverse and vote in line with the rest of the country for their age group.
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CrescentMoonPearApr 2, 2026
+7
49% are over 65, the rest under.
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sneakysneakyheheheheApr 2, 2026
+5
I have bad news for you, most would consider over 50 to be "old"
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CrescentMoonPearApr 2, 2026
+3
Ha! I guess that's true. I don't but only bc I think of my parents in their 50's who are currently avid rock climbers that give me heart failure to watch their videos. I can't think of them as old when I keep joking they're overactive teenagers.
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sneakysneakyheheheheApr 2, 2026
+2
Being over 50 myself it's been a hard learned lesson but my back and knees keep convincing me!
2
Unlucky_Topic7963Apr 2, 2026
+6
Not overwhelming, closer to 60/40 Republican. These are your boomers/genX voting blocs, it's continuing to swing more centrist/liberal as more millennials exit/retire.
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wombeleroApr 2, 2026
+10
Its almost fascinating to witness, how they scrap every possible fund for their own benefit. Doesn't matter if its something that could benefit veterans, benefit sick or injured people, hungry people, homeless, research, or protecting wildlife. Doesn't matter how little these funds are compared to a single missile being lobed at Iran right now. As long as you do not directly benefit these oligarchs you are worthless.
When do citizens realize that? They pay taxes on everything but get nothing in return.
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letsseeitmoreApr 2, 2026
+8
But go die in a useless war for us. How many times do soldiers have to get fucked over by Republicans before they realize they are just expendable pieces?
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kombatunitApr 2, 2026
+7
As a vet, f*** all the vets that voted for him. Scumbags, the lot of them.
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SmoochTalkApr 2, 2026
+8
One aspect of my job is taking veterans to parks, hiking, fishing, stuff like that. My contact at the VA, who works in their mental health dept. and is himself a veteran, called me up a couple weeks ago to tell me they are facing restructuring and his program is in danger of going on pause. This is on top of layoffs/ cutbacks they had a year or two ago. It’s really shitty to see so much fake support for veterans from “leaders” who are overseeing these vital programs being cut.
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Mr-ReDiCulouZApr 2, 2026
+6
The Oval Orange strikes again. Horrible behavior and will end up costing taxpayers a lot down the line. Sad for the vets affected by this.
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Proxima_BluestApr 2, 2026
+6
I'm a veteran who receives VA benefits. I also cannot fathom how any veteran could support Trump. It is abundantly clear that Trump and those in the Project 2025 orbit don't care in the slightest about veterans. In fact, they'd like to save a buck at the expense of folks who are barely making it, all while further enriching the already extremely rich. It's wealth transfer, from the working class, to the elites.
Veteran's issues aside, this administration is as anti-American as any in modern American history. The manner in which ICE treats people is simply un-American. That sort of behavior is not how we act in this nation. It's basically brownshirt street thuggery. And, the examples just go on and on. If you love America, then supporting the current administration is supporting people seeking to destroy it.
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Efficient_Market1234Apr 2, 2026
+6
I've ranked some of his voters from stupidest on down (or up). Guess who's number one? The military (active duty/veterans). They signed up (ostensibly) to serve their country and defend what it stands for, and they voted for someone who hates the country and what it stands for, and who hates them and has said so. He's disrespected military protocols. He's disrespected (now former) allies who our soldiers have served with. By all logic and sense, he should be *despised* by everyone in the military. *Yet here we are*.
Now some of them are in Iran, putting their lives on the line and occasionally dying, for no good reason. Not to protect America from an actual threat but to what, distract the government and the American people from all the underage girls he assaulted? To keep him from facing consequences for his crimes for another day? And they're having to sit there listen to this loser Hegseth cosplaying "Army man," yelling about shit he doesn't understand and insulting American heroes with decades of experience.
And a lot of them would vote for him again, that's the best part, assuming they survive the conflict.
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LunchyDude101Apr 2, 2026
+6
Wait until you hear about the Dept of Education.
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BareNakedSoleApr 2, 2026
+6
How any veteran supports him or this administration is a mystery. How much more evidence do they require before you say “Yeah he doesn’t give a shit about us”?
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Blackboard_MonitorApr 2, 2026
+33
[They overwhelming voted for this](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/30/military-veterans-remain-a-republican-group-backing-trump-over-harris-by-wide-margin/) and this is after he called them losers, FAFO. The shitty part is they voted the felon back in and now the world is suffering because of it.
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SpazzdudeApr 2, 2026
+18
"Veteran" isn't a real voting block. They just line up with standard voting demographics around race and gender.
Trump won 60% of white men. Veterans are 90% male and 70% white. With those numbers, it's honestly surprising that more vets didn't vote red. Your point still stands that most veterans voted for Trump. I just wanted to add context so people know what demographic is actually being discussed here.
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D3struct_ohApr 2, 2026
+4
Sounds prime for a class action lawsuit.
The article reports that Trump’s Department of Veterans Affairs abruptly killed the only realistic rescue option (VASP) for thousands of struggling veteran homeowners, causing foreclosures to spike, and that the VA’s stated reasons for ending it collapse under basic policy and math scrutiny.
==What the article says==
- VASP (VA Servicing Purchase Program) let the VA buy delinquent VA loans from mortgage companies, then give vets new low-interest VA-held mortgages (around 2.5%) so they could catch up and keep their homes.
- This program was created after a prior VA blunder stranded roughly 40,000 vets who took pandemic forbearance at VA’s direction but then had no affordable way to become current.
- Once fully running, VASP saved on the order of 30,000+–33,000 veteran households from foreclosure by replacing their unaffordable loans with stable, low-rate mortgages.
- Despite that success and with nearly 90,000 VA loans seriously delinquent (over 10,000 already lost to foreclosure), Trump’s VA shut VASP down in 2025 and has left a large gap before any replacement takes effect.
- The only main alternative now is standard “modifications” that often double the interest rate (for example from roughly 3% to about 6.8%), pushing monthly payments up by hundreds of dollars, which many vets simply cannot afford.
- The result is concrete: people like Jerome Thomas see their payment jump by about $800 a month and then fall behind again, moving straight toward foreclosure, and the article documents families whose homes have already been taken and even resold.
==The VA’s stated justification==
From this and earlier NPR reporting about the same decision, the VA has framed its reasoning roughly as follows:
- VASP was described as a temporary, emergency, pandemic-era or “fix-the-blunder” program that was never meant to be permanent.
- Officials claim they need to “transition” to a more conventional system, often pointing to forthcoming legislation or a new program that will supposedly align VA options with those available in the broader mortgage market.
- They imply that ending VASP is fiscally prudent and operationally necessary, suggesting that continuing it indefinitely would be too costly, complex, or outside the original statutory intent of the VA loan guaranty program.
- The VA also leans on the existence of “other options” (ordinary modifications, repayment plans, deferrals) as though these are adequate to protect veterans until the new program is ready.
==Why that justification is bad==
1. **It treats a self-inflicted crisis as an excuse, not an obligation**
- VA itself created the mess by prematurely killing the earlier post-forbearance option in 2022, which is what pushed tens of thousands of veterans into delinquency in the first place.
- VASP was literally the fix to VA’s own policy failure, and it was working; calling it “temporary” doesn’t change the fact that the agency had a continuing duty to maintain an effective fix until something equally protective was in place.
2. **It ignores actual outcomes in favor of theory**
- On paper, VA can say “we still offer modifications,” but in practice those mods often more than double a veteran’s interest rate and add hundreds of dollars a month to the payment.
- A “solution” that predictably produces unaffordable payments is not a real solution; the foreclosure numbers (over 10,000 homes already lost, about 90,000 loans seriously delinquent) are empirical proof that the menu of options without VASP is failing.
3. **The timing argument is backwards: they removed the bridge before the new road exists**
- VA ended VASP months before any replacement is ready, leaving a known high‑risk population exposed during the gap.
- A responsible agency would overlap the old and new programs and only turn off the old one once the replacement is live and clearly working; VA did the opposite, then asks vets to trust that “something better” is coming later.
4. **The fiscal prudence claim is shallow and likely false even on cost grounds**
- Foreclosures are expensive for everyone: families lose equity, neighborhoods suffer, and the government (which guarantees these VA loans) often takes losses when homes are repossessed and resold.
- VASP restructures loans to sustainable payments and keeps vets in their homes, which typically reduces claim losses and long‑run costs compared with repeated defaults and foreclosures; shutting it down and absorbing larger foreclosure losses is the opposite of true stewardship.
5. **It creates inequity between veterans and civilian borrowers**
- The article notes that without VASP, veterans with VA-backed loans now have *worse* options than many FHA or conventional borrowers, especially when it comes to deferring missed payments to the end of the loan or keeping their original low rate.
- VA’s mission is to give service members a **better** path to homeownership, not a structurally worse one; using “alignment” with the broader market as cover for cutting a uniquely protective tool contradicts that mission.
6. **It hand-waves away veterans already trapped in bad modifications**
- Even when VA talks about its forthcoming program, it explicitly does not promise to fix the veterans who, under pressure, already accepted high-rate modifications after VASP was shut.
- That means the people most injured by VA’s decision are written off as collateral damage, which is ethically indefensible given that they followed VA’s guidance at each step.
7. **It rejects an obviously successful, targeted program without a concrete, superior alternative**
- VASP demonstrably worked: roughly 30k+ households saved, with affordable fixed rates that match the original promise of the VA loan program.
- Killing a proven, targeted fix while only gesturing at a future solution is policy malpractice; it inverts the burden of proof, forcing veterans to pay the price while VA experiments.
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CivilWay1444Apr 2, 2026
+7
Keep voting R you clowns.
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FurrypocketpussyApr 2, 2026
+5
same group that overwhelmingly voted for him
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wcjoynerApr 2, 2026
+5
My 35 year old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in September of 2024. He had just purchased his first house earlier that year in February using his VA loan benefit. His workplace was great- he received short term disability and was granted FMLA. He had surgery (the tumor was large but benign) and was in rehab for 6 weeks.
In the meantime, we researched and discovered VASP. His mortgage servicer was fantastic and although having the late payments hurt his credit (like most programs to help with mortgages, nothing can happen until you are 90 days late and about to enter foreclosure), they were fast and efficient in helping him navigate the process. By March he was back to work and had closed on a new loan at 2.5% which is manageable and $400 less per month than his previous mortgage. We were prepared to pay his mortgage, it would have been tight, but we could afford it, although not indefinitely.
He is a Navy vet, an RP who worked at Walter Reed and went to Haiti after the earthquake. He spoke to vets in the hospital who were missing limbs. He worked with the chaplains to comfort parents and spouses through unimaginable loss and grief. The sights in Haiti were profoundly disturbing and to this day are difficult for him to talk about. He did everything right. He worked and saved and served and used his VA benefits to buy his house. VASP helped him through a terrible time, knowing he wasn't going to lose his house or have to depend on his parents to make his payments lessened the stress and helped him heal. But I guess deporting the 65 year old roofer or incarcerating 7 year old children is more important to some people.
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crimsonhuesApr 2, 2026
+5
And most of them will continue to vote for republicans despite of this
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Dapper-Sandwich3790Apr 2, 2026
+6
Trump, Elon and the DOGE Bros did this with their deep cuts to programs.
People running and working for these programs across the country warned this would happen.
Remember, Trump administration has caused more homeless veterans. Just recently, reports that Trump wants to round up homeless veterans and essentially have the federal government become their conservator.
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vaskov17Apr 2, 2026
+30
'tis what the vets voted for
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druidmain69420Apr 2, 2026
+9
Not me
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[deleted]Apr 2, 2026
+9
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gottastayfresh3Apr 2, 2026
+8
most, but not all
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Resident_Tree1428Apr 2, 2026
+4
Never doubted for a second he called service members and vets ‘suckers and losers’. any that still voted for and supported him have done nothing but validated his statement/belief
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johnnycyberpunkApr 2, 2026
+4
This is also the Trump administration that had the VA change their policy to award 0% disability if you're given meds or therapy for your condition.
"Ok, you have no legs, right...right... *but you seem to be using prosthetics and a cane*. In our opinion you're 'cured' and do not warrant your benefits anymore. I SAID GOOD DAY. YOU GET NOTHING."
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threehundredthousandApr 2, 2026
+5
60% of veterans voted for Trump.
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PrcaptainApr 2, 2026
+3
Commander Bone Spurs strikes again!
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RincewindToTheRescueApr 2, 2026
+4
Is that the program they pulled funds from to give service members their $1776 bonus (or whatever the amount was)?
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FourEyesAndThighsApr 2, 2026
+3
NPR should have asked both of the families that gave anecdotes who they voted for.
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[deleted]Apr 2, 2026
+5
Housing is too woke. Warriors don't need houses, only losers and weaklings require shelter.
(/s obviously)
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idkbruh653Apr 2, 2026
+4
And most of them voted for him.
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RonaldMcDaughertyApr 2, 2026
+4
My heart bleeds hard for the ones that had a "Vets For Trump" sign taped to their apartment window. /s
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KellisandraApr 2, 2026
+4
So even those who managed to achieve parts of the American dream are having that stripped from them
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Tasty-Performer6669Apr 2, 2026
+4
Is this “supporting our troops,” conservatives?
Trump views military men and women as suckers. Always has.
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sailphishApr 2, 2026
+4
Bunch of suckers and losers…. or something like that. And it’s amazing how many of them keep posting pro-Trump c*** on social media.
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wha2lesApr 2, 2026
+4
don't worry. they'll vote for him anyways.
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Oceanbreeze871Apr 2, 2026
+4
Have the day you voted for
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ImPinkSnailApr 2, 2026
+4
On brand for someone who thinks vets are suckers and losers
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RedditIsLeBoringApr 2, 2026
+4
The troops voted for this.
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frozenpissgloveApr 2, 2026
+10
This is the first I’m hearing about it. Super shitty because there is a fee that is part of the VA loan that basically secures the guarantee they are referencing in the article. For my house it was nearly 7 grand(it’s like 2.5% for every 100k) to pay for a protection that I no longer get.
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fritzycostApr 2, 2026
+3
You’re referring to the VA Funding Fee, which is a fixed amount between 0.5-3.3% of your total loan amount. It does not secure the guarantee they’re referencing in the article, it goes directly to the VA and allows them to continue funding VA home loan programs.
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Main_Paramedic_292Apr 2, 2026
+6
It's amazing that veterans, who are paid the most per capita of all welfare recipients, overwhelmingly voted for this.
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walterpeck3Apr 2, 2026
+4
Veterans are also one of the primary beneficiaries of DEI alongside white women.
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SolonohiopersonApr 2, 2026
+3
Well he hates vets.
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DoctorZacharySmithApr 2, 2026
+3
Soldiers are objects - property - to him, not people. And he thinks they deserve whatever happens to them.
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baileybungeeApr 2, 2026
+3
Funny how GOP went from “support the troops” to “abort the troops” 🤣
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stoptheinsanityleakApr 2, 2026
+3
Winning. More winning than ever before. Biggidie
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FlyingRhenquestApr 2, 2026
+3
Trump really does want to f*** everyone before he leaves office, doesn't he?
3
Historical_Bend_2629Apr 2, 2026
+3
Is there anyone not alienated by this asinine and cruel regime?
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JM_ArtistApr 2, 2026
+3
Just remember when you join the army that this or something worse is probably your future.
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Sweettooth4532Apr 2, 2026
+3
Oh that’s terrible
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theduke9Apr 2, 2026
+3
So how is this Obama’s fault
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igloomasterApr 2, 2026
+3
I wonder what percentage of vets voted for Trump?
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TrendymaroonApr 2, 2026
+3
Didn’t Trump say you had to be a sucker to fight for your country in the military?
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Ok-Walrus2858Apr 2, 2026
+3
Republican leaders love $$$ more than fetuses, veterans, white people, the US, etc.
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ZZ9ZAApr 2, 2026
+3
I’m just I
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aegeniumApr 2, 2026
+3
I mean he's a draft dodger, what do you expect?
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OtherUserChargesApr 2, 2026
+3
Lots of vets voted for this. I hope they enjoy all that winning.
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monkeysknowledgeApr 3, 2026
+3
Suckers and losers voted overwhelmingly for the King of Turds; proving definitively, that they are indeed suckers and losers.
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monkeypickle8Apr 3, 2026
+1
I still don't understand why the military seems to like him and continues to do his bidding
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yourlittlebirdieApr 2, 2026
+15
Wow that sucks for them. Maybe they shouldn’t have [overwhelmingly supported Trump.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/30/military-veterans-remain-a-republican-group-backing-trump-over-harris-by-wide-margin/)
Well at least the people they don’t like are also suffering too! Hopefully when they’re sad about losing their homes, it will bring them comfort to know that somewhere, an immigrant child is being ripped from their mom and thrown into a detention facility alone!
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THICKDadBod99Apr 2, 2026
+5
Yet most of the military voted for a draft dodger. Nothing makes sense
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HoneyBadger552Apr 2, 2026
+2
the freeze worked until Congress and the White House totally screwed up. those vets who didnt use the program are doing decently. this batch of folks have some truly horrible options
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oneonusApr 2, 2026
+2
I did that!
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SikatSikatApr 2, 2026
+2
I am sure there are meritorious cases where help once is all people need, and I am often seeing the worst situations in my field, but I see so many people with 3 to 4 HUD or other massive mortgage (10k+) bailouts recorded who just...keep on not paying their mortgage, even with high incomes.
These are often not, in my view, saving houses for veterans and others. They are corporate bailouts to give banks money when foreclosure won't pay the full debt. They happen to benefit the recipient by letting them stay in their house a little longer.
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GormHubApr 2, 2026
+2
And yet the other trained hounds will keep snapping and snarling on his behalf.
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Basic_Yam_715Apr 2, 2026
+2
Trump supporting troops have to be some of the dumbest people on the planet...
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PresidentKraznovApr 2, 2026
+3
Them and union workers who barely edged out 50% dem support in the last election. Suuuure he cares about your rights. This after having a nice laugh on livestream with Elon to the tune of “They go on strike… you say, ‘That’s OK, you’re all gone.’” F****** morons, all of em.
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MouatmouaApr 2, 2026
+2
You voted for this
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GkSanchezApr 2, 2026
+2
I mean, that's what the MAGA vets and troops voted for, no? What is the problem? This is owning the libs, they should be cheering for this.
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code-254Apr 2, 2026
+2
Is there a single group (besides the billionaires, of course), that this administration hasn't shafted
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brute-forcedApr 2, 2026
+2
Magas do not care
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ColonyJD1980Apr 2, 2026
+2
Well, Trump did call U.S. military members losers and suckers. So this tracks.
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inkedbabytalkApr 2, 2026
+2
This is exactly what happens when you put someone in charge who has zero understanding of what veterans actually need. Over 10,000 families have lost their homes because Trump's VA shut down VASP without any replacement ready. These are people who served our country and they're getting evicted through no fault of their own.
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10v1Apr 2, 2026
+2
All part of the plan. His billionaire buddies and housing conglomerates are rubbing their greedy hands rn
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West-Western-8998Apr 2, 2026
+2
Growing up-if you can’t afford a home you lose it. So much has changed.
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One_Entrepreneur_520Apr 2, 2026
+2
MAGA!! We are busy deporting their families so they wont need those homes anyway !!
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jevversonApr 2, 2026
+2
Will they claim this on their disability % ?
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Icy-Clerk-7715Apr 2, 2026
+2
Trump is a piece of shit
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futurizticApr 2, 2026
+2
Played thereselves
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TotallyStudlyApr 3, 2026
+2
Vets voted for this.
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TrueParty1308Apr 3, 2026
+2
And vets overwhelmingly voted for the dbag...this vet can proudly say I did not vote for the criminal.
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Agile_Lie9502Apr 3, 2026
+2
Glad I didn’t use my VA loan to buy my house
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121gigawhatevsApr 3, 2026
+2
Suckers and losers gonna vote republican even harder!
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BlueHorse_22Apr 2, 2026
+5
No sympathy or respect for most vets because of the way they vote.
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strongbob25Apr 2, 2026
+4
Why pander to a voting block that will vote for you no matter what?
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