There have literally been people in the US who have held previous school shooters as heroes and then tried to emulate them
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b1rdiemcb1rdface2 days ago
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Yeah, I remember a few memorializing the Columbine shooters. Pretty fucked.
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Leafy02 days ago
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When the news said it was retaliation against bullies pretty much every loner in high school and middle school in the early 2000s thought they were heroes.
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SaladPuzzleheaded6251 day ago
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As one of those loners at that time: that's definitely an exaggeration. I knew literally no one who condoned what they did, check my profile to see if I was cool in High School
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ArchmageXin2 days ago
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Yup. Kids at my neighborhood thought it was retaliation against bullies.
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AnEmptyKarst2 days ago
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There was a Tumblr subculture of it back in the day, not sure how genuine it was versus just being edgy though
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Star_____walker2 days ago
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People who are either future or wannabe school shooters. Both of the shooters in Turkey themselves had pictures of mass shooters on their social media accounts.
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EtherealPheonix2 days ago
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As an American I can confidently say a lot more people than you think.
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EggNo2892 days ago
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The kind who has some clue how toxic social media is.
[https://revealnews.org/blog/the-hate-report-facebook-pages-glorified-incel-killer-and-chaos-at-neo-nazi-rally/](https://revealnews.org/blog/the-hate-report-facebook-pages-glorified-incel-killer-and-chaos-at-neo-nazi-rally/)
[https://learnsafe.com/when-killers-become-icons/](https://learnsafe.com/when-killers-become-icons/)
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TheMeticulousNinja2 days ago
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The kind that is smarter than your comment will ever be
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Rad_Randy2 days ago
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Ignorance truly is bliss
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ChestEducational22582 days ago
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Apparently there are people in Turkey who do.
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Top_Connection90792 days ago
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Martyrdom culture
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Particular_Bug02 days ago
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Seems like it's mostly incels and trolls, and a few wannabe anarchists but mostly the first two
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EmergencyCucumber9052 days ago
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Which is not benign. E.g. the Toronto van attacker praised and was inspired by Elliot Rodgers.
The behavior should be as concerning as animal torture and other signs of violent tendencies.
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Bluescreen_Macbeth2 days ago
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I don't think you know what an anarchist is.
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redredgreengreen12 days ago
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I think the wannabes don't know what an anarchist is lol
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AdParty13042 days ago
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Anarchist can refer to anyone who opposes authority, not just the specific schools of philosophical thought
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Fallouttgrrl2 days ago
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What?
That lack of definition is anar.... Oh, I see!
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Bluescreen_Macbeth2 days ago
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And how does that opposition fit with praising school shootings?
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WestCoastBestCoast012 days ago
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Many people consider public schools to be institutions that indoctrinate children to be good workers.
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Bluescreen_Macbeth2 days ago
Really stretching to prove that incel a few posts up knows what an anarchist is.
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Low-Temperature-69621 day ago
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The term derives from Greek "anarkhos," meaning "without a chief"
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esperind2 days ago
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no one is really reporting on why the kid did it. If it wasn't for some revenge for being bullied and instead for some ideological reason then maybe that would explain things, but I dont think he left a manifesto or anything so who knows.
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Pyro-Bird2 days ago
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It has emerged that the 14 year old murderer idolized and was inspired by an American mass shooter.
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fishblurb1 day ago
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Fame and attention, apparently
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Strong-Log-70952 days ago
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edgy teens
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everettescott2 days ago
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You can try to downplay is that but they're are shitty people out there of all ages.
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Strong-Log-70952 days ago
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I mean, yes. But we know that most of the most blood-boiling things we see, especially online, after these sorts of things are coming from edgy teens. I was an edgy teen during Columbine and so were most of my friends. The things we said to each other about it would make me punch a kid who said that today, but I also know how strong the drive to "be different and unique and go against the grain" is at that age.
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Chris_Bryant2 days ago
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Apparently enough Turks to warrant mass arrests. What in all the hells is wrong with people?
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KubizzleFoReal2 days ago
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50 IQ teenagers
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EggNo2892 days ago
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Never heard of incels or edgelords?
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SecondSanguinica2 days ago
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What does not having sex have to do with praising school shootings, or do you just dump random buzzwords into a sentence and call it a day?
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EggNo2891 day ago
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Incels communities (and other groups with social deficiencies, extreme overvalued beliefs, and/or cognitive distortions) frequently glorify school shootings and mass violence as acts of revenge against women and society.
[https://revealnews.org/blog/the-hate-report-facebook-pages-glorified-incel-killer-and-chaos-at-neo-nazi-rally/](https://revealnews.org/blog/the-hate-report-facebook-pages-glorified-incel-killer-and-chaos-at-neo-nazi-rally/)
[https://learnsafe.com/when-killers-become-icons/](https://learnsafe.com/when-killers-become-icons/)
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189)
[https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/a-terrorism-of-vengeance](https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/a-terrorism-of-vengeance)
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A_Nonny_Muse1 day ago
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Here in America, they have been praised as "second Amendment celebrations"
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RidetheSchlange2 days ago
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Turks in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland were and I still can't understand why, but they are typically problematic ones to start with and mostly disowned by Turks in Turkey who aren't Erdogan, the MHP, AKP, and the Gray Wolves.
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Weirdo94951 day ago
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Hasan Piker praises 9/11 and is an influential voice in American politics, so there's that.
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MDesnivic1 day ago
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He did not "praise" 9/11. This is stated through either bad faith or ignorance. He said America "deserved" 9/11 in that it was *blowback*, i.e., the United States committed crimes against humanity in other countries and thus received blowback in the form of September 11, 2001. It's something Osama bin Laden actually clarified.
You can disagree with what was said and reasonably claim Piker still made an insensitive or inappropriate comment, but you need to make an *actual argument* instead of spreading disinformation. This kind of stuff doesn't work as effectively on people as it did before.
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heyman01 day ago
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why even bring up a random twitch streamer in a thread that has nothing to do with him lmao. you have a mental illness
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R3D4F1 day ago
What’s the difference between praising them and not doing anything to prevent them happening again in the future?
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Fallouttgrrl2 days ago
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The NRA, behind closed doors
It always directly leads to fears of gun control and an increased purchase in firearms
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StartingAdulthood2 days ago
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It's a islamic countries with lots of people who sympathize with Terrorist organisations.
Mind you, The president supported these horrible rhetoric for decades. Now they are mad that these kind of things happened.
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farhanbiol2012 days ago
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Wth are you sprouting? Getting paid the the hasbara?
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Saylows2 days ago
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Oh wow it’s exactly like how hasbara bots talk. Is your new target Turkey? You should visit the country and actually meet the people, but you can’t do that bot, can you?
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WittyCry43742 days ago
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For the past few years, certain Turkish influencers and state-supported troll farms have been extremely active in pushing certain narratives. This has resulted in the creation of a digital environment where aggression and extremist rhetoric are rewarded with likes and views.
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Own_Employment_38662 days ago
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Isnt this literally the entire internet in the rest of the world?
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cosmic-potatoe2 days ago
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No.
This is not accurate. i’m from turkey, and it’s not about banning praise. it may look like that on the surface, but in reality it’s more about controlling footage and posts related to the government, especially negative ones. this kind of regulation is often used as a tool to remove or limit criticism directed at the government.
so it’s important to be careful with how this is presented. i would not fully rely on what turkish mainstream media shows, as a large part of it is influenced or controlled by the government.
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fxkatt2 days ago
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>*Justice Minister Akın Gürlek accused accounts of sharing footage of the incidents, spreading content capable of creating fear and praising crime.*
I'm assuming that these crimes were somehow connected to an online cult-like ideology in which the shooters subscribed to (not that clear).
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Unusual_Ant_53092 days ago
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While I generally disagree with mass arrests this seems reasonable
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Moneyshot_ITF2 days ago
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When they start coming after speech...
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Strong-Log-70952 days ago
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arresting people for praising something awful is wrong. I know its Turkey and not the US or France or whatever, but broadly speaking a nation should not arrest its citizens for expressing their opinions, no matter how awful. Strong disagree on this one.
Arresting people for spreading misinformation is something else. I think most people are naturally cautious about restricting speech on principle but the past 10 years have taught us that misinformation online is truly something else. The speed with which it travels and the unquestioning idiocy of the average user of social media as their main source of information makes online misinformation something far more dangerous to the public than a man in his basement 50 years ago cranking out a newsletter accusing their senator of being a pod person. Moreover, if the misinformation is being spread intentionally and knowingly that is definitely something we all should be considering how to criminalize apporpirately. As nations we all have to find where that line is between protecting the public and restricting free speech. There is no clear answer here but the negative effects of unrestricted spread of misinfomration online is painfully clear. The consequences are as small as having someones reputation ruined to genocide in Myanmar.
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sasha_the_impaler2 days ago
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Only Americans care this much about free speech btw. It's okay to say some speech is not okay.
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primenumbersturnmeon1 day ago
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everyone supports the speech they agree with. americans are no better, wanting mass arrests for praising charlie kirk's assassination. at the end of the day, turkey is doing this because it is an authoritarian dictatorial theocracy and it can. it's the state, it has a monopoly on force. it does what it wants and if the people disagree, tough shit.
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sasha_the_impaler1 day ago
>americans are no better, wanting mass arrests for praising charlie kirk's assassination
A political assassination isn't really the same as innocent children dying man you're clutching at straws.
They're doing it because children died and people are trivializing it to the point it is criminal. Turkey isn't a theocracy either and it is a democracy, their leaders are elected. They're a NATO member for Christ sake. You either have never learned a single thing about Turkey or you're mixing them up with someone else. A majority of the country does not actively participate in Islam either.
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SnowyEssence2 days ago
The question is if they should be arrested for it.
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sasha_the_impaler1 day ago
Yes. Children died. And people who glorify school shootings tend to be the ones who commit the next shooting.
Why do you think it should be legal?
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SnowyEssence1 day ago
I don’t think people should be arrested for their opinions no matter how horrible it is.
The person who expressed that opinion did not kill those children no matter how much influence they had. In fact there are many things that can influence many terrible things, if a crime is not committed, then a person should not be arrested for it.
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sasha_the_impaler1 day ago
This is why we have children dying in America. Children die and we go, "There's nothing we can do!" And then we criticize countries that have enough morality to at least attempt to preemptively prevent copycat shootings. We treat free speech like it's some all or nothing thing. We apply the slippery slope fallacy as if it is impossible to distinguish the difference between protesting a politician and glorifying killing children.
Do you feel the same about the many anti-Nazism laws in Europe? There's several countries with higher freedom indexes than us who have restrictions on glorifying Nazism.
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Classic-Log-1622 days ago
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Available_Border10752 days ago
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That’s an awful thing, but I don’t see how that’s a crime
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UBC1452 days ago
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Different countries have different rules. What might be legal in the US might not be in Turkey.
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Available_Border10752 days ago
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I don’t know Turkey’s laws, but yeah, I look at things through an American lens too much
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Superb-Heron-95162 days ago
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your american brain working overtime i see. its not the US buddy, countries have their free will to do what they want with these incels
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