It's being publicized because they weren't supposed to be there. There aren't supposed to be CIA officers operating in Mexico, but the opposing party is in charge of the state where this happened and it looks like they invited the CIA in right under the nose of the federal government. There's gonna be hell to pay for the governor.
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HunkeredDown202221 hr ago
+252
Sounds like what is happening in Alberta, Canada.
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Careless_Guitar_46321 hr ago
+266
They're running the exact same playbook in Mexico and fomenting separatist movements in the oil-rich states. Exactly like Alberta.
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government_not_ok17 hr ago
+85
Chihuahua is definitely not an oil rich state, manufacturing and livestock yes, oil? Thats the southern part of Mexico.
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OkayContributor16 hr ago
+70
Yes but you’re forgetting that chihuahua controls the world’s strategic Chihuahua reserves, which is important to Ivanka and her ilk, this is why Trump is seeking to control the region /s
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mimicthefrench12 hr ago
+8
IDK, she always struck me as more of a Dalmatian person...
8
suspiciousserb16 hr ago
+45
And dumbass redneck Albertans are willingly supporting it. Absolutely infuriating
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TheLordBear15 hr ago
+34
Its a province that imported the high school dropouts from the rest of the country for the last 50 years. Its very apparent in some parts of the province.
I was born here, and the oil/rural parts of the province are not very bright and VERY susceptible to misinformation and easy to rile up.
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LatterNerve15 hr ago
+13
I love Alberta, but I f****** hate Berda. And god damn if the idiots in Berda aren’t going whole hog for fascism. It’s infuriating and scary in equal measure to watch this shit happening
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Some-Concentrate322915 hr ago
+2
Oil in Chihuahua?
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TeamMountainLion14 hr ago
+11
Dare I ask what’s going on in Alberta?
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LeafsWinBeforeIDie12 hr ago
+12
There is an american funded (allegedly?) separatist group who want a white christian alberta where they ignore treaties with indigenous canadians so old the treaties pre-date canada. Their most important ideals are get rid of free health care, gut education, hurt the lgbt+ community, and join the states. Its typical populist fascist drivel. They used to be home to the freedumb convoy that shut down ottawa for way too long, but now they have devolved to this worse creation: maple maga. It's like women voting against their own rights in the states, this is less intelligent people being grifted and conned to vote against their own best interest. The plan seems to be lifted from the russian playbook, get a certain population to need the help and protection of mother usa to justify more aggressive means to break up the country.
Most albertans are against a canadian divorce, but with the first past the post parliamentary system, a party with 35% support can win a majority. The actual maple maga fascists are only arount 10% of the country, but with hotbeds in the prairies (especially alberta and saskatchewan) and a little in ontario..
Separation does not have majority support but they do have a crazy premier who won a majority and who is trying her best to destroy alberta, canada, and enrich herself, including an attempt to force a referendum to try destroy more. She travels to washington regilarly to meet with mid-tier magas. Most canadians consider danielle smith and her mouth breathing followers as traitors to the country.
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Not-a-thott21 hr ago
+70
It's public knowledge the CIA has operatives in near every country. Atleast if ex employees on YouTube R being honest.
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Careless_Guitar_46320 hr ago
+86
Yes, but this is different because the federal government in Mexico bans it and if any operatives were found out, they would be arrested and the US ambassador called up and asked to explain. The fact that they were operating covertly under the auspices of a state governor is a pretty f****** big deal. Don't be surprised if the US ambassador is asked to leave Mexico in the next month.
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nordco-41417 hr ago
+42
Don't be surprised if this fallout is ideally what the current U.S. admin was hoping for to expand border operations even further. RIP to those spooks.
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hollow_bridge14 hr ago
+7
> this is different because the federal government in Mexico bans it
Technically most countries ban it, but also most countries do this. It's the entire purpose of governments foreign secret services.
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mynewaccount519 hr ago
+12
I'm sure the cia would love for people to believe that this is true. It's unlikely though. Most countries simply don't matter enough.
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Rodot15 hr ago
+7
People love to believe that the CIA is made up of superhumans when their training and expertise is more similar to that of USPS, but a little less competitive to join
7
MZ60316 hr ago
+2
Huge difference between officers on a dip in an embassy or a consulate & people in the field - ops or otherwise.
2
Parking_Syrup_913914 hr ago
+5
I saw sicario
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skivian20 hr ago
+28
Trump has been pushing Mexico dangerous for a while now
28
KP_Wrath1 day ago
+3209
You know, I’m no expert, but dying on foreign territory as a CIA spook and it being publicized is sub optimal.
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Idiot_Savant_131 day ago
+672
Unless, perhaps, it's intended as a message?
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KP_Wrath1 day ago
+701
The “we killed your CIA operatives” kind of message or the “we have CIA operatives working in your country” message?
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DismalAd66391 day ago
+237
Thinking more Pablo Escobar - you killed our agents, your life is now over
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WoodpeckerNo57241 day ago
+411
That was back when the US and its intelligence arms were overseen by competent people with the ability to think long term.
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SteveJobsDeadBody23 hr ago
+154
God it f****** sucks knowing things. Like when you know that the CIA director people claim was some competent intelligent blah blah blah f***** was heavily involved in Iran-contra and that he resigned right before the Congressional questioning started.
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Vaeon23 hr ago
+134
Americans are, hands-down, ***the most propagandized people on EARTH***...[and trying to explain reality to them is a fruitless endeavor.](https://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-History-Tim-Weiner/dp/0307389006)
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DismalAd663923 hr ago
+81
I don’t understand how U.S.A propaganda comes close to N.K. Iran, or other places with controlled/restricted internet
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ShinkuDragon23 hr ago
+94
counterpoint: it still works even without controlled/restricted internet.
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kodman721 hr ago
+63
Counter counterpoint: the propaganda isn't even good it's the successful idiotification that is more to blame
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Savings_Refuse_592222 hr ago
+91
Like the old KGB agent who meets with a CIA agent in a bar and the CIA agent compliments the KGB on the Russian propaganda and how good it is. The KGB agent then compliments the CIA agent on the same and they reply "What propaganda?".
Just because you perceive it as not as authoritarian or "controlled" like Iran or NK does not mean there isn't an insane amount of it and it being highly effective. Your comment shows it also the whole "American excellence" attitude that persists.
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rufio31320 hr ago
+11
But he has a good point regardless of American excellence attitude. In places like NK, you won’t find people with differing opinions. In the US, it’s hard to find 2 people that share the same opinions on much of anything.
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ryhaltswhiskey20 hr ago
+10
>Your comment shows it also the whole "American excellence" attitude that persists.
It doesn't. I don't know how you can conclude that. But you'll probably just accuse me of being under the influence of propaganda.
America sucks. But not as bad as North Korea. There are **degrees of suck** here okay.
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Quom22 hr ago
+6
Probably because if something is overtly being manipulated then it's going to be less impactful than if you think you did your own research.
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FlyingRhenquest22 hr ago
+4
Ah that's the beauty of it! People will just apply their own filters! You don't even have to imprison their whole family or anything to *make them!* It's so much more convenient! Sure I suppose if you're old timey you might miss the hands on with the testicle shocker and the indoctrination and all that. All those things were simply not sustainable, as enjoyable as they might have been. You can't realistically shock the testicles of a couple hundred million people to make them do what you want. Unless... hmm...
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SteveJobsDeadBody22 hr ago
+16
Oh that's easy, so easy even an idiot could work it out, which makes you some sort of super-idiot. The answer is MONEY. Iranian propaganda surely exists, but Americans are pummeled with TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of it per year. Look at what it did to you, reduced you to some sort ignorant blob incapable of working out the most obvious thing in the world.
This is probably still too complicated, so think about it like this- What do you think is more effective propaganda? Having 2-3 "news" sources that lie to you that you know are run by your state? Or the illusion of a free media that is 50 sources basically all owned and controlled by 3 rich guys named Larry Ellison, Rupert Murdoch, and Jeff Bezos that push a trillion dollars worth of combined media energy into convincing you that you're the only non-propagandized guy in the world and that Iranians have it way worse?
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DismalAd663920 hr ago
+7
That’s a long ass comment, the fact that you are able to post it kind of proves my point. I don’t see any N.K. People voicing their opinion here.
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ryhaltswhiskey20 hr ago
+5
When was the last time the United States shut down the internet to stop the flow of information?
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CLGToady20 hr ago
+2
You're a goofball if you actually believe that lol
Unless you are talking about yourself. Then maybe you are more self aware than I thought
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WoodpeckerNo572419 hr ago
+2
What is your point? I think you’re confusing competence with being a force for good.
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DismalAd66391 day ago
+36
They’re not what they used to be but they still excel at killing people
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polopolo0523 hr ago
+26
disagree... CIA nitty gritty is still high quality but leadership is questionable.
also more news of "killing our agents" might be a push to do invasion stuff in Mexico
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WoodpeckerNo57241 day ago
+10
True, but they might not really give a shit anymore.
10
paulwesterberg22 hr ago
+5
Oh great, just what we need is another war with an oil exporting country to really explode the global energy crisis.
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Coalnaryinthecarmine21 hr ago
+10
Literal "they expect one of us to be in the wreckage, brother" CIA op
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Koshindan1 day ago
+7
I was thinking more along the lines of blaming the Maine on Spain.
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SwissMargiela1 day ago
+116
Honestly I don’t believe anything the CIA says. This news report is def part of some sort of scheme that’s like a bajillion times more convoluted than we can understand
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ragnaroksunset1 day ago
+65
Not convoluted on purpose, though. Convoluted because the people in charge are genuinely impaired and have no idea what they are doing or why they are doing it.
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Capt_Hawkeye_Pierce23 hr ago
+12
That and institutional paranoia precluding any kind of meaningful communication between agencies.
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ragnaroksunset22 hr ago
+3
True, although my understanding is that has been a problem regardless of who sits in the White House.
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atreeismissing22 hr ago
+10
Fwiw, Ratcliff (current head of CIA) is competent, certainly compared to rest of the the Trump cabinet. He's still a wholly political animal and Trump loyalist but he's competent at least.
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ragnaroksunset21 hr ago
+6
Yeah but the people who command him are not, and that creates a perverse environment where a competent person in an insane environment must act with carefully-planned incompetence, which makes the organization incompetent.
I don't envy the man but at the same time he chose this life for himself.
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Rocketeer0061 day ago
+28
I just watched Sicario as well! Still not sure if Josh Brolins character was good or bad. If you win the drug war, but stoop to the cartels levels to do so, did you really win?
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Squatch19821 day ago
+41
The problem with trying to decide if their actions were for the best is we don't get to see if it causes an escalation or not; and this wasn't the point of the movie anyways. Ramping up violence in response to violence doesn't necessarily work, and working outside of the usual oversight can lead to either the outcome you were aiming for, or creating a new avenue for corruption. Sicario to me was about the uncertainty of being used and brought along for something morally gray and not knowing how you should react.
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Kiribaku-1 day ago
+26
Emily Blunt's character was perfect for balance. I missed her in the second movie a lot
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Squatch198222 hr ago
+20
Yeah she was fantastic. Seeing a capable and competent person be completely lost and basically terrified of the unknown was a great way to bring us into that world. The second movie had a different director and lacked this role, it was basically reduced to a regular action thriller.
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pasatroj21 hr ago
+2
The second novie for me is a lot like Fast & Furious in it's trajectory. The first F&F had elements like what I was seeing in SoCal. Then it became progressively WTF is this. Studio needed constant money churn and bopy has it worked. Every single Production Company and Studio DREAMS of what F&F became money wise.
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TurbinePro23 hr ago
+16
the kicker is nobody won the drug war. except maybe the drugs.
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3-DMan22 hr ago
+5
Just like a grand poet once said.."That's the thing about a street fight...the street always wins."
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SteveJobsDeadBody23 hr ago
+11
This is a major part of the problem of "why are Americans so f****** dumb?" today. People think watching a movie is a suitable substitute for historical education.
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Short-Peanut107921 hr ago
+2
The day's of "this is like 1984" feel intellectual in comparison now. All you need this based on a true story and we are of.
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Bleachrst8523 hr ago
+3
Nope, that is optimal strategy if you want to send more agent/soldier to foreign territory.
They will say "some of our man died" => "We need to send people over to protect our country"
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PossibleCash609221 hr ago
+2
Things weren’t spooky enough
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roller_coaster3251 day ago
+1276
Mexican officials said the car skidded off the road, fell down a ravine and exploded
Horrible but is this suspicious?
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NotAnotherEmpire1 day ago
+358
An exploding car crash is a good way to camouflage most injuries.
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TutorTotal35951 day ago
+604
Wikileaks claimed that the CIA had the ability to remotely control cars, nine years ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/03/08/what-we-know-about-car-hacking-the-cia-and-those-wikileaks-claims/
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Joelsfallon1 day ago
+181
Michael Hastings remembers
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General_Solo16 hr ago
+11
[Just a sanity check, people have had the ability to drive stupid and die as a result since at least 126 years ago.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Henry_H._Bliss)
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mulletstation1 day ago
+39
Bro you think every passenger car in the world has some extra motor attached to the steering wheel and accelerator to be remotely piloted?
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flecom1 day ago
+260
a modern car? ya?? electric power steering uses a motor and modern pedals are just data to an ECU so no need to physically move it
https://bimmertips.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/BMW_Electrric_Power_Steering.png
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TortieTactics1 day ago
+110
not even steering... just the sudden loss of power by killing the engine when approaching a steep curve may be enough for someone to have an accident
if they don't, it's unlikely they'll assume anything other than a mechanical failure was experienced
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devilishycleverchap1 day ago
+85
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
It was possible a decade ago
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NlghtmanCometh1 day ago
+98
On-star type systems can absolutely be tapped into by the state.
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audacesfortunajuvat21 hr ago
+27
Notoriously were caught eavesdropping at least a decade ago. You can only imagine that they’re able to do now.
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WoodpeckerNo57241 day ago
+63
Uhhhh you might want to familiarize yourself with modern cars. This doesn’t work on a 85 ranger, but the cars with electronic steering, acceleration, and brake controls? Yes absolutely possible.
All of those things are controlled by a vehicle’s control module(s). Which is a fancy term for computers. And computers are able to be hacked.
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killercurvesahead19 hr ago
+9
Unrelated to the car in this case, but this is why it is WILD to me that people see what Musk is doing and still drive their Teslas.
An “I bought this before Elon was an a******” sticker is a) not true and b) not going to stop his friends from turning your car into their personal RC toy
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Ecstatic_Bee60671 day ago
+66
Cruise control actuator and ABS actuators
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Sir0inks-A-Lot1 day ago
+124
Every car? No.
Most modern cars with cruise control, lane keep assist, brake assist…. I have some bad news for you.
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huangsede691 day ago
+5
Feels safe to assume that if something is connected to the internet, it can be hacked by an intelligence agency.
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OhJeezNotThisGuy22 hr ago
+4
With that assumption, if they could get my coffee started in the morning and have my laundry done by the time I got home I may just reconsider my feelings towards them.
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mak051 day ago
+7
Nice try, spook.
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ilikecakeandpie1 day ago
+2
easy there bud
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Dabaer771 day ago
-4
Wikileaks is also an arm of Russian state media.
-4
Mean_Joe_Greene22 hr ago
+53
You know that just saying that doesn’t mean you don’t also have to disprove allegations that contain official documents right?
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poo-cum19 hr ago
+5
Our pastor said winkylinks is bad cause folks become corrupt when they get more knowledge, that's how come we got kicked out of the garden of eden
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insaneHoshi21 hr ago
+3
The CIA claims they can do alot of things, doesnt mean its true.
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AliceInAcidland20 hr ago
+6
they ODed in the car after scrolling thru a picture of fentanyl
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GringoSwann1 day ago
+12
O doyle rules!! O doyle rules!! O doyle rules!!
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JeannValjean1 day ago
+22
How many cars have you seen “explode” outside of movies?
Yeah, that’s pretty damn suspicious.
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zombiskunk23 hr ago
+14
I've seen cars catch on fire. Never heard of one exploding outside of a movie or military action.
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Choomba_Lord1 day ago
+43
Probably drunk like everyone else in the Trump regime.
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SawToothKernel1 day ago
+4
Well, yes, that's suspicious.
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Xenophonii1 day ago
+6
Let me tell ya brother, you can bet that something like this is being done, especially with modern internet connected anything, including cars. F***, I can bet the drugs they pumped me up in the Army before being deployed in the '90's is the shit you're just starting to see in the civilian market today. I haven't been sick more than a day or two since that deployment and neither have any of the guys I served with. Other than cancer or suicide...
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Thin_K1 day ago
+3
Did someone walk away from it, without turning around?
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Never_511 day ago
+354
*"Mexican officials said the car skidded off the road, fell down a ravine and exploded."*
Right, just like the movies...
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WafflePartyOrgy23 hr ago
+53
Michael Bay approves. I remember there was some *Myth Busters* episode on exploding cars having a hard time to replicate it. I say this having just seen a traffic cam off a news report last week of a terrible accident on I-10 in Palm Springs where a semi truck plowed into a cement mixer at full speed, which subsequently exploded in catastrophic fashion.
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DrZedex18 hr ago
+7
Many years ago the AZ hi-po were arresting a drunk driver. They stuffed the soak into the back seat ans while he was returning to her car to get something another drunk slammed into his Vickie and kaboomed it. I want to say this was one of the many reasons they were already moving to Chargers. They get assholed a lot and the old vics had the fuel tank behind the rear axle instead of under the back seat like a modern car.
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InQuintsWeTrust18 hr ago
+2
I had to see the aftermath of something like that happening. Extremely traumatic and uncool. The smell was the worst part
2
WafflePartyOrgy18 hr ago
+2
My share of aftermath too, but yeah, this one on a section of road I often travel got to me. I can't even imagine being a first responder. I feel like I've gotten myself out of a lot of close scrapes and avoided most mishaps in the first place by making an effort of constantly being engaged, being proactive about lane spacing and giving myself a nice pocket to drive-in (even if that means driving a lot faster than the speed limit as people tend to do on the California freeways). Then you see an 18-wheeler bolt across the median head-on with both vehicles traveling 70+ packed into the innermost lanes and that is pretty much a situation that no amount of skill or awareness will save you.
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SlowRunner20261 day ago
+4634
America: Losing the war on drugs since at least 1970.
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SeeMarkFly1 day ago
+2187
It was never about drugs.
We do need a war on greed.
That would solve a lot of our problems.
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jainyday1 day ago
+159
The war _for_ greed has been going on since the 1971 Powell Memorandum. We are living in the anti-regulatory hellscape he envisioned for America.
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Timely_Influence839221 hr ago
+32
I just want to be clear the bourgeoisie and their class warfare existed pre 1971, although I both appreciate and support your point above. There is a significant lack of left wing terminology in American political conversations (lots of listnook) because it's simply not taught, but philosophically this comment chain is as left wing as you get. F*** greed, f*** the bourgeoisie, and f*** the CIA.
I'm not saying everyone has to call the Epstein Class (or even just 'Billionaires') "the bourgeoisie" but I felt the need to bring it up because that *is* the fundamental root of this conversation about greed.
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Himalayanyomom20 hr ago
+2
I think you're one of the first I've seen recall bourgeoisie correctly. It seems every single time people have tried to explain the upper echelons of society as the proletariat / bourgeoisie as blue collar. Which is of course ass backwards.
F*** the system doesn't have to be exclusive to a single political side, when theyre all complicit in f****** over everyone not them.
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isthereadrwho1 day ago
+260
Of course it was a war on drugs, to drive up prices and scarcity . So the CIA could sell it to Americans that's the crack epidemic in case you didn't know that so they could fund Revolutions in Latin America in that case iran-Contra . You can't fund things like Iran Contra when you're the CIA by selling legal weed , you need it to be illegal and expensive . Have a great day
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quelar22 hr ago
+25
Honestly, people really really need to go look into the Iran Contra affair in more detail. I went down a rabbit hole a number of years back and still to this day wonder why every single person involved was even allowed in Washington ever again, let alone be part of the Bush administration.
It's disgusting.
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todumbtorealize1 day ago
+71
RIP Gary Webb
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IR2Freely1 day ago
+32
It was a war on dissidents at the time (namely the pacifist hippies and black equality activists).
Taking control of the global drug trade was just a happy consequence that resulted in the things you said.
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emceeeloc20 hr ago
+7
Still weird they picked Nancy Reagan to be the face of feeding the ~~slave~~ prison industry.
I guess she needed to compete with the Betty Ford Clinic?
7
TooBadMyBallsItch23 hr ago
+67
In the words of Tupac,
"Instead of a war on poverty,
We got a war on drugs
So the police can bother me"
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lnTheGrimDarkness1 day ago
+19
You can't get humans to wage war on greed. The ones put in charge of the thing would get greedy, steal all the funding and do nothing.
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id10t_you1 day ago
+8
>We do need a war on greed.
The Gorilla kind
8
SeeMarkFly1 day ago
+4
Steal This Book.
4
HighlanderTCBO11 day ago
+2
Abbie Hoffman reference!
2
Idiot_Savant_131 day ago
+5
Like Donkey Kong..?
5
autobannedforsatire23 hr ago
+2
This doesn’t even make sense
2
willstr123 hr ago
+42
CIA was on drugs' side since the beginning
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DJ_Mumble_Mouth23 hr ago
+6
It was really more about seizing control and ensuring the money flow continues but in their favor.
A 1 billion dollar drug bust doesn’t bring you 1 billion in profit unless you turn around and sell it yourself.
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SorryAboutTheWayIAm21 hr ago
+5
1920s, Prohibition. Lost the hell out of that
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UnscheduledCalendar1 day ago
+28
I hate that it was called a “war” because you dont “win” a “war” like that. If we had called it “the long struggle against drugs” then that’d be more accurate and avoid these types of snarky comments. I dont think ANYONE thinks Meth or cocaine are ***GOOD*** for you, much less encourage use. Even the most sympathetic users and activists for drug law reform encourage “safe” practices to the extent those can be provided…but encouragement towards dropping the habit is the end Goal.
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Curleysound1 day ago
+65
War was/is a chosen word, doing a lot of work. It basically took advantage of the memory of WW2 and the absolute dedication to defeating a categorically evil enemy. It was designed to strip critical thinking from the equation and win support from the masses. This support also meant a blank check to go as big and hard as they want with little to no oversight or auditing of their spending. It was first used with the Communists. The problem they eventually discovered was that the more definable the enemy, the more measurable the progress is. That is why they switched to amorphous concepts like the war on drugs, and the war on terror. Neither of those things are easily defined wins, so the war can go on indefinitely, and so can the spending. This allows for tons of political chicanery.
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SweeterThanYoohoo1 day ago
+16
Spot on. Put succinctly, its about control.
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Vohdre23 hr ago
+6
Wars end
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SlowRunner20261 day ago
+7
My "snarky" comment is to point out what a failure the American approach has been to illicit drugs. Money wasted on failed p\[olicing that would be better spent on education and treatment. Insanity is doing the same thing we have been doing for over 75 years and expecting a different result.
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Nothing2Special14 hr ago
+2
2 fbi agents also died in mexico investigating epsteins connections........
It's a sad read.....They were ratted out by our own intel.
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ATMisboss19 hr ago
+2
We need to start fighting on the side of drugs, then there will be so much winning we will get tired of winning
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KevBurnsJr1 day ago
+423
>The CIA declined to comment.
😄 o rly?
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27Yosh1 day ago
+43
Benicio del Toro kindly asked them to sign an NDC
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flyingdorito200023 hr ago
+4
CIA: "it wasn't us, you must be thinking about the Chimpanzee Intelligence Agency"
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MigrantTwerker1 day ago
+72
The most interesting thing about this article is that the government of Chihuahua is publicly stating that they did not inform the president this communication or operation was occurring. They are either giving her full deniability, or states are acting independently of the Mexican government when it comes to narco security.
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aquintana23 hr ago
+43
Well Chihuahua is ran by the opposition party to the president so what do you think?
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MigrantTwerker23 hr ago
+25
Well yes, I do not think that PAN would do Morena any favors, but publicly admitting that they led a botched operation that got Mexicans and Americans killed along with the CIA involved and being indignant about it is news. It could even be considered treason.
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Ted_Striker11 day ago
+497
Shoutout to drugs for winning the war on drugs
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ignatious__reilly1 day ago
+43
Side note
War on Drugs is my favorite band
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OPPyayouknowme19 hr ago
+2
Great band
2
Hour-Management-16791 day ago
+16
I always remember this quote from the Show The Wire "you can't even call this shit a War, Wars End"
Remember [STUXNET](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet) and people wondered how a computer virus was snuck into Iran’s nuclear centrifuges? They hired this guy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik\_van\_Sabben](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_van_Sabben) to upload the malware. He also died in a crash in Dubai in 2009.
We didn’t know this until… ***2024.***
https://www.thetimes.com/world/article/dutch-spies-hid-engineers-role-in-stalling-iran-nuclear-project-dtqh3s2hq
[https://babel.ua/en/news/102616-media-the-failure-of-iran-s-nuclear-program-in-2007-was-arranged-by-a-dutch-engineer-on-behalf-of-the-cia-and-mossad](https://babel.ua/en/news/102616-media-the-failure-of-iran-s-nuclear-program-in-2007-was-arranged-by-a-dutch-engineer-on-behalf-of-the-cia-and-mossad)
[https://english.aawsat.com/features/4778291-stuxnet-mystery-dutch-engineer-disrupted-iranian-uranium-enrichment](https://english.aawsat.com/features/4778291-stuxnet-mystery-dutch-engineer-disrupted-iranian-uranium-enrichment)
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Some-Concentrate32291 day ago
+54
I think dying in a motorcycle accident in Dubai is not as surprising as you’re expecting. It got so bad that the city implemented a completely new traffic management system a year or two ago.
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UnscheduledCalendar1 day ago
+24
The thing about cover stories is that they’re good if they’re plausible
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Some-Concentrate32291 day ago
+17
This is true but you’re acting like the USA (or any other powerful country) actually cares about plausibility. And not to mention his family and friends have publicly stated that they don’t think there was anything fishy with his death.
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stuffeh22 hr ago
+3
Or that the agency profiled and hired a guy who's very likely to die in an accidental accident in the next X years.
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NinjaChemist23 hr ago
+4
The thing about conspiracy theories is that they're good if they're plausible.
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wozzwoz13 hr ago
+2
How is this incanyway related to your post?
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Icy_Walrus_503523 hr ago
+18
A lot of jokes about America losing war on drugs but last time we lost an agent cartels turned over those that did it real quick…I know trumps a joke but he’s also insane enough to use this justification to bomb cartel strong holds…
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Jamies_awesome_rack1 day ago
+47
Sicario 3 finna be lit
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Loose_Inspector8981 day ago
+26
The first one easily became one of my favorite movies ever
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jrdnmdhl23 hr ago
+12
And the second was also a movie.
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PlaneShenaniganz21 hr ago
+10
Certainly one of the movies of all time
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-_-0_0-_023 hr ago
+5
2 was a step down. 3 better level up.
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TheBatemanFlex19 hr ago
+8
I would hate to be in the intelligence community rn. This admin leaks like a sieve and literally every single person can apparently be bought.
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Infodataplace1 day ago
+58
this is one of those stories that reminds you how messy and risky this whole “war on drugs” actually is
these weren’t frontline soldiers, but they were still pulled into something that sits in this grey zone between intelligence work and active operations… and it still ended in people dying
and the bigger thing is how quiet all of this usually is, expanding roles, cross-border cooperation, political pressure, until something like this happens and suddenly it’s visible for a moment
four people dead, and it raises more questions than answers about how far this kind of involvement is going
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stingeragent1 day ago
+23
I mean we truly don't know who they were. The cia has black ops guys. I doubt they pulled a desk analyst and said go raid a drug lab.
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Curious_Persimmon55520 hr ago
+5
And I doubt they pulled a paramilitary officer and told him to raid. I'm 90% sure these guys are just Cia case officers with 9mm overseeing the operation. The Mexican government doesn't lack on competent trigger pullers.
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chronicpenguins23 hr ago
+2
Our reason for invading Afghanistan and subsequently trying to regime build was because the Taliban would not assist in finding Osama bin Laden. There’s a non zero chance that Trump uses this reasoning (the Mexican government is ineffective / in cahoots with the cartels), to have a more direct “military operation” in Mexico.
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brickyardjimmy1 day ago
+10
Where's Trey Gowdy when you need him to do a hard-hitting investigation?
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[deleted]1 day ago
+11
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nomad-socialist1 day ago
+11
"accident"
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alien8mf11 day ago
+10
"counternarcotics"
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Marcgo219 hr ago
+3
2 more stars for the wall.
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LiminalSapien1 day ago
+6
>CIA
>COUNTER-NARCOTICS
>MEXICO
🤔
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Sandy_Bananas18 hr ago
+5
America has been trying to get control of the worlds drug production since before I was alive.
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mclardass18 hr ago
+4
CIA officers in an operation that the Mexican government was not informed was taking place nor authorized to occur on their soil? Those CIA officers?
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Sea_Negotiation_18711 day ago
+6
That's fine.
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WeakBlueberry50711 day ago
+28
I feel like we're not supposed to even hear about this.
Is this how incompetent the entire system has become?
Burn the m*********** down.
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jews4beer1 day ago
+69
The CIA has always acknowledged deaths in the field. They almost never release identities (until much later), which seems to be the case here as well. So this is very much business as usual.
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buy-american-you-fuk19 hr ago
+2
"accident"
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Upstairs_Eagle_478018 hr ago
+2
F*** these paywalls, people.
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Commercial-Royal-98817 hr ago
+2
What's a "Mexico" accident? Or did they mean an accident in Mexico?
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Omiyaru16 hr ago
+2
Judging who is running the US right now, I'm certain these deaths were not "accidents"
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sarcastroll21 hr ago
+5
counternartics...
So did the counter-narcotics unit kill the CIA for their narcotics activity? Or were the CIA the anti-narcotics ones? Or both- the CIA helping one drug org over another?
When it comes to the CIA and Latin America, one never knows how much fuckery is afoot.
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Currensy691 day ago
+6
Potentially unsanctioned is the term preferred over “illegal”
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patholysis1 day ago
+6
Ha Ha
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Dalmahr1 day ago
+5
We're they doing counter narcotics or pro narcotics operations? Hard to tell with the way the CIA works.
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Salty-Plantain-42991 day ago
+7
To be fair CIA is among the most immoral organizations in the world ... so are the cartels.
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HoneyGlazedDoorknob23 hr ago
+4
The usa just keeps winning! So hot right now
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crazyboy61128523 hr ago
+3
Am I supposed to feel sorry for CIA agents or smth?
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KosmikShadow1 day ago
+3
Nature ist healing.
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totally_anomalous1 day ago
+2
And they were operating in a foreign country without notifying the appropriate foreign offices.
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johnnytaquitos23 hr ago
+2
accident..
riiiiiight...
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Capt-geraldstclair22 hr ago
+2
we'll never learn the actual truth of the matter.
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_mully_21 hr ago
+2
May they rest in peace.
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Strict-Carrot478319 hr ago
+2
Two drug dealers, you mean.
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S1DC21 hr ago
+2
Isn't this shit supposed to be like, classified? Why the hell do we know about this?
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Boys4Ever1 day ago
+1
Is this our new Benghazi or do we just turn the other cheek and b**** about open borders
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