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WelcomeToWitsEnd 2 days ago +3349

Big, big, BIG applause for the foster parents who looked after her as she was healing. A baby with fractures and broken bones is in constant pain, and you can’t really do much about it to make them comfortable. It’s a very stressful and heartbreaking situation all around. A friend of mine fostered a very young infant with similar injuries and it was a brutal time for both the little one and the foster momma.

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PigFarmer1 1 day ago +1189

My son and his wife have adopted several kids who were abused. The hoops they had to go through were insane. The abusive parents have more rights than the kids they abuse...

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namesurnn 1 day ago +439

Little boys and girls who get raped by their parent are often forced to visit them in prison in the good old U S of A

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cwx149 1 day ago +110

I believe you but how? Like by what legal mechanism are they forced to? Like a police e*****? Or do you mean in cases where like the other parent forces them or something?

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Novel-Type1694 1 day ago +297

Denying a parent visitation rights is defying a court order. Can be charged with contempt of court, fined or even jailed, and can cause a change of custody. Either let the shitbag see their kids when the judge says so, or risk your kids having to live with the shitbag when they're free. Kids might as well be property in the US.

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Brownbear97 1 day ago +107

Might as well? They’re literally treated as property to be managed with a tax deductible to boot until they turn 18

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ElderberryNeither000 1 day ago +31

Same in Canada. My mum had to take my brother and I to many institutions to visit our father when we were children. If she didn't she would be in contempt of court and she'd have been jailed. She could never get away from him.

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cwx149 1 day ago +7

Okay so if it's okay to ask you as someone with some experience and please please please don't feel the need to answer if it's uncomfortable Could your mom have made some kind of point like it's an unreasonable request? I'm from the US so I'm comparing it to something like the ada where businesses are required to provide "reasonable" accomodation But like where I live the nearest prison is a several hour drive away. Was your mom required to take time off work and stuff? Was she reimbursed for the expense?

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ElderberryNeither000 23 hr ago +9

I actually remember this time pretty well. I remember my mum trying to fight or reason with the court saying pretty much you can't be serious? I can't take children to these places. But the lawyers took her money and the judge told her pretty much suck it up. Do what I say and if she disobeyed they'd jail her. Didn't matter if she was loosing work or sanity. Didn't matter. That was the ruling and that was it. ... This was the late 80s early 90s. May be different now but back then this is what it was for us.

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A_Flamboyant_Warlock 1 day ago +12

Idk if it varies by state, by where Im at, kids have the power to refuse visitation once they turn 13.

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wintervamp753 1 day ago +7

That's definitely not universal. Everywhere I've lived, it depends on the judge. And somehow disclosing abuse makes the person reporting it look worse than the one committing it. Children (and/or their parent) being forced to spend time with their abuser because of custody agreements is extremely common. Men like to complain they have the short end of the stick in family court, and I'm not going to dispute any individual's experience on here because it does vary so much, but statistically if a man asks for custody, he will get it even if domestic violence is present. The reason overall more women get custody is many men are not fighting for it (often while claiming they are to others in their life).

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MathematicianDue9266 1 day ago +21

This is Quebec.

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MakinBaconWithMacon 1 day ago +19

Judge has to say so, which I can’t believe would actually happen for abuse victims.

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keznaa 1 day ago +24

This reminded me of a video of a judge who threatened to jail a 12. She kept saying how she didn't want to live with her dad but then judge ended up giving him temporary full time custody seemingly to spite the mom. The judge was almost reprimanded but then appealed the decision and won. [Judge THREATENS 12-Year-Old Girl at Controversial Custody Hearing ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lORT8GcyMk)

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f4eble 1 day ago +114

Judges are just regular people and they regularly make horrific decisions when it comes to abuse victims. There are plenty of judges who think that parents deserve to see their children even if they have raped them.

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Arne1234 1 day ago +22

In the US, they don't even need to be a lawyer. Political appointees.

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dog_of_society 1 day ago +52

You have a more optimistic assumption of how much decency some judges have than I do.

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distancedandaway 1 day ago +15

Judges are just as ignorant as the rest of us

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chaoticcheesewhiz 1 day ago +29

Your beliefs unfortunately don’t shape reality. Judges say all sorts of terrible things, some are good but a lot of bad people intentionally seek out opportunities to have power over others.

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thebarkbarkwoof 1 day ago +3

Or the Whitehouse.

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Muted_Bee7111 1 day ago +20

The entire system is broken. I don't know how to fix it especially in today's atmosphere. Just think if the billions we spent on this war went towards mental healthcare, children & the homeless

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TeacherPatti 1 day ago +53

And the goal is reunification. No. F*** you. You have forfeited your right to be a parent. You are a piece of shit. Go father a piece of shit.

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Crocs_n_Glocks 1 day ago +74

I actually don't mind that the government (which is mostly controlled by Republicans) has a very hard time taking a child away from a parent or stopping someone from becoming a parent. It truly sucks when a child slips through the cracks or beautiful people like your son have to bear the weight of it, but it's one of those things that the government cannot be trusted with because they don't do things that "make sense" as much as they inevitably try to gain and exercise as much power as possible. Let's say in 2010 it made sense to like, "pass a basic test to ensure you're a fit parent" but no matter how logical that process was, Trump would have found a way by now to use it against black/brown people and immigrants. **Edit**: Please stop trying to talk about Gabriel Fernandez to me. That case was not about "parents vs CPS", because the CPS workers were rightfully charged with crimes for COVERING UP THE ABUSE and falsifying records to hide it. They were let off on a technicality, but the fact is that they lied and were negligent *because they never tried to remove him*. If they had, there's no reason to think any parental rights would have rightfully been suspended/outweighed by the clear abuse. That's why what "the government" did and failed to do was a crime.

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PigFarmer1 1 day ago +155

I don't think you understand just how bad the situation is. One of the cases I'm referring to was continually delayed because one or *both* parents could never appear in court because they were in jail. With another one the biological father was convicted of kidnapping and r***, but he still had parental rights. Everyone one of these kids was beaten and/or sexually assaulted. Can you image a toddler suffering PTSD from hearing his biological father's *voice*? The "system" is broken...

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Clw89pitt 1 day ago +45

The system IS broken. But it's broken both ways. Children can suffer as much abuse from kinship, foster, and adoptive parents as they can from their bio parents. And even being placed with the most well-meaning foster parent is traumatic, especially for kids older than a few months old. An an on-and-off foster parent, making it easier for judges to terminate parental rights is no where near the top 20 things I would change about the foster system if I had the power and resources to change it.

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Crocs_n_Glocks 1 day ago +75

I'm fully aware, I was a licensed social worker and APS investigator for 6 years. It's a tradeoff for the isolated horrors we all hear about, vs abuses of power potentially thousands of times worse. We literally had decades of forced sterilization and children taken from natives and forced into boarding schools where they are abused and killed in this country, and didn't end too long ago. Forced sterilizations continued even into the Internet age.

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brittneyacook 1 day ago +33

Forced/coerced sterilizations are still happening today in detention centers and prisons. Edit: I completed my law school capstone on this topic. Don’t believe me I really don’t care.

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Crocs_n_Glocks 1 day ago +9

Thank you, good point.

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namesurnn 1 day ago +11

I think I get what you’re saying but people are going to read your comment like the Gabriel Fernandez’s of the world are an okay sacrificial lamb because of past atrocities. It’s the wording, you come off harsh and cold to the kids suffering right now. My aunt has been a DCFS worker my entire life and idk if all of you share this opinion before somebody reads your comments like you’re the speaker for all social workers

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Crocs_n_Glocks 1 day ago +9

Gabriel Fernandez has nothing to do with parental rights vs government overreach, it was caused by deficient government services. The social workers never tried to take him from the parents....and what I'm saying is that we can't blanket trust the government to do all the right things. Gabriel Fernandez is a perfect example of the government dropping the ball. The government never contested the parental rights, but if they had I'm sure the correct decision would have been made. It was obvious, and that's why it's criminal the social workers tried to cover it up. People will watch a documentary and base their opinions off that, I get it. Other people study this stuff in college and work for years actually experiencing it. I don't claim to speak for all social workers, you just made that up. What does your aunt think about parental rights?

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Arne1234 1 day ago +2

Rightly so in many cases. I get it that you feel it is morally wrong. The rest of us feel deep moral injury when people do things like break 50 bones in a newborn and just get house arrest. This person should not ever have another baby in his care. And I hear you bring an entirely different topic to bear (native children in boarding schools) as if it were applicable here. It's not.

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shoulda-known-better 1 day ago +4

Yes but the child is taken immediately once it's more than suspected abuse is occurring.. The foster parents are the ones who have to do the court process not babies and children (for the most part maybe a day or two depending on age) but they can be shielded from most of that..... And the gov should have to go through a good length process to take a child away fully Also jail is the best place to be for being forced to go to court they transport you if they are notified by the courts... Just FYI I work with dcyf

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latviesi 1 day ago +14

I think in a lot of cases parental rights are prioritised over the rights of the child. Sometimes the verdict is that a parent deserves a relationship with their child so they’re allowed to be in the life of their child—whom they have seriously abused. I don’t think children should be removed from their parents easily. But there are absolutely situations where it makes sense and parental rights absolutely should be severed.

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seaworks 1 day ago +11

No. The system should- *must*- recognize the rights of the child as a human, and take into account the preferences of the child as a human, before the "rights" of the parent. Parents' "rights" have taken absolute precedence over the rights of children to dignity respect and autonomy and it's disgusting

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Avocationist 1 day ago +3

As someone who represents parents in dcfs cases, I could not agree with you more. All the comments are clearly from people who’ve never been inside the system. In so many cases it’s state sanctioned child trafficking. I have a case right now where the mom is going to lose her newborn for co-sleeping. And half my cases are representing moms in DV relationships who are losing their kids simply for being a victim of DV. If my client is a poor black mom whose infant is in the system, and the foster parents are a middle class white family, my judges will make that white family’s dreams of adopting a baby come true even if they have to make some shit up.

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Straightwad 1 day ago +13

Disagree, sure sometimes the government overreaches and that’s not right but there are a lot of examples of kids ending up dead because the government dragged its feet and didn’t do enough despite people reporting the family to CPS and family services. It’s cool you don’t mind that though.

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shoulda-known-better 1 day ago +12

That's cps and removing the child.... Which is not as hard as actually taking away parental rights.... I work with dcyf things absolutely need to be better we need more funding They were talking about stripping rights.... During that process if it's abuse the child has already been taken by that point

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Crocs_n_Glocks 1 day ago +3

There are way more examples of the American government forcing people to be sterilized (as late as the 90s), or taking children from parents (poor, mentally challenged but ESPECIALLY native Americans) and putting them in boarding schools that were abuse and murder factories. Fyi- I do mind it, which is why I was a licensed social worker, and started my career as an investigator for Adult Protective Services...I know exactly how the system works and doesn't. It's cool that you judged me and assume my motives when I actually committed my life to helping victims of abuse. I'm sure you've done ***so*** much to help, along with your actions behind a keyboard.

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Comfortable_Fill9081 1 day ago +6

You make a valid point: > Kennedy said during a June 2024 episode of the 19Keys podcast, “every Black kid is now just standard put on Adderall, on SSRIs, benzos, which are known to induce violence, and those kids are going to have a chance to go somewhere and get re-parented,” he said, explaining his proposal for so-called “healing farms” as an alternative for children on prescription medication. https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2026/04/16/rfk-jr-denies-saying-black-children-should-be-re-parented-despite-recording-of-june-comments/

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noodleking21 1 day ago +133

I have a sense of what you are saying. I used to work with infants that their mother have addiction issues (also during pregnancy), and I will remember the scream of infants that are going through withdrawal. I never heard anything sounds quite as heartbreaking.

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ruedebac1830 1 day ago +26

This is so heartbreaking. What do you do to comfort them? I just can’t get my head around not being able to help a child in distress.

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RNnoturwaitress 1 day ago +70

Tight swaddle, pacifier, dark and quiet room, rocking/gentle bouncing. They also respond well to being held tightly (not so tight they can't breathe). Baby swings sometimes help, as well as frequent feedings. More severe cases stay in the hospital and get treated with morphine or methadone, phenobarbital and clonidine for the really bad ones. Sometimes withdrawal causes seizures, too.

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ruedebac1830 1 day ago +27

Thank you. God bless you for your work returning a measure of trust and comfort those babies needed.

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RNnoturwaitress 1 day ago +12

Thank you. They deserve it! At my current job, we don't get too many NAS babies but I used to care for them all the time. For some reason, they're always the cutest freaking babies.

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Earl_E_Byrd 1 day ago +80

My friend fostered a baby going through withdrawals. It definitely takes an ironclad mindset. She said their saving grace in those first few months was a giant package of foam earplugs. It didn't stop them from being able to hear his cries, but she said it helped so much to take the shrill edge off. Just that little bit of dampening effect gave her the auditory distance to think properly and emotionally refocus, instead of constantly feeling panicked and overwhelmed.

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Strawberry-and-Sumac 1 day ago +20

My obgyn sent me home from my last appointment before my induction with a bag of 200 earplugs! He knew we had baby’s crib in our room and said I’d thank him later!

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pchlster 1 day ago +51

A former coworker of mine's son broke his shin as a toddler being enthusiastically athletic/acrobatic. Getting a toddler to sit still for any amount of time with his leg in a cast was no small feat.

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translucent_steeds 1 day ago +19

my sister broke her arm about a month after she turned 3 (fell 3-4ft from a retaining wall onto hard concrete). my mom has a picture of her with her pacifier and her cast 😭

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Radi0ActivSquid 1 day ago +5

My friend's 4yo fell a couple feet off the play park's steps. He was moving around too quickly playing tag with some of the other boys at the park. Came down on his elbow and fractured it. I feel so bad for him. I was on the opposite side of the play area making sure his sister with a skull injury in her past from her abusive father didn't fall. I feel terrible that I couldn't be in two places at the same time.

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GrowlyBear2 1 day ago +10

Brittle bone syndrome exists, but otherwise babies don't just break bones. How on earth do you ACCIDENTALLY break 50 bones?! The father sounds very troubled so I don't know if throwing him in jail for life is right, he needs help. But 18 months is laughable! The mother... Oh gosh. Could that have been some severe postpartum depression?

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HowAboutNo1983 1 day ago +47

Normally I try to have a realistic look on those things, but breaking 50 bones on a baby is worth being away for life. Maybe one or two accidentally because of mental health issues would warrant healthcare and jail time, but 50 breaks is f****** sick. Sometimes the damage outweighs the reason for being away for life especially because I’m sure they’re very likely to do it again.

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GrowlyBear2 1 day ago +3

I think it's fair to think that way to be honest. The act itself does deserve life in prison. I just have a problem going that far myself with the information provided in the article.

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mboop127 1 day ago +2

Unfortunately the punishments we feel are morally correct come directly at the cost of increasing crime rates. If I have to pick between just revenge and a better world, I know what i prefer.

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theshadow1983 2 days ago +2519

''The father, who is now 36 years old, was sentenced to 18 months of house arrest.'' You’ve gotta be f****** kidding me

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Luckydog12 2 days ago +714

He shouldn’t see daylight again.

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libbillama 1 day ago +357

I know someone who has lost a baby to shaken baby syndrome. Her now ex-husband went to prison, but he wasn't in there for very long. He must have felt a lot of guilt about what he did becaue when he got out, he found some old lady that was living by herself and murdered her. Afterwards, he called the police on himself and asked to get sent back to jail. So many levels of fucked up. He should have gotten a life sentence for killing a two month old baby. But he got what he wished for after his second murder!

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McFry__ 1 day ago +109

What will he do when the guilt for the old woman kicks in?

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libbillama 1 day ago +43

This was over 25+ years ago, I have no idea.

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ebulient 1 day ago +54

What a coward, if he felt so guilty why didn’t he just off himself instead of a random stranger?

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Particular_Main_5726 1 day ago +19

Because some humans are fundamentally broken. Just like how some might be fundamentally compassionate, or some weak, and others evil, while others still may be ambivalent. Part of having a "tribe" of 8.5 billion is that there'll always be individuals within that tribe that are just *off* in some way or another. Sometimes that manifests as something harmless and sometimes it manifests as something extremely unfortunate. It's possible that this particular human's version of coping with their own guilt was to spiral further into deplorable behavior. I'm not saying it's good or justified or anything like that, but that's just how it goes sometimes.

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baronesslucy 1 day ago +8

If he had gotten a life sentence the old lady wouldn't have been murdered.

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Vayntez 1 day ago +34

Each fracture should be 1 count of a sentence....

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Wild_Commercial_6002 1 day ago +5

I get banned if I write something like this here

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thisisntinstagram 1 day ago +3

I got a warning lmao

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Theletterkay 1 day ago +2

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ThinYogurtcloset8005 2 days ago +316

And the mother is awaiting sentencing. He said he was impatient changing her diaper and it was an accident basically. Edit: I believe in no way shape or form that this was an accident

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FOURTH_DEGREE_ 2 days ago +279

“During her hospitalization, medical examinations revealed approximately 50 fractures of varying ages,” the document reads. “The medical team concludes that these fractures, which vary in age and location, could be consistent with three or four non-accidental traumatic events.”

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WhatTheFlox 2 days ago +169

I can't even imagine how sick the doctors had to be feeling after seeing her scans. I'd lose my mind

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rockytop24 1 day ago +48

There's a pediatric fellowship in this kind of injury pattern. I did not enjoy learning about it in my clerkships. It *is* useful in the ER though. Spotting things like fractures and injuries in various stages of healing, intracranial hemorrhage, burns from being dipped in scalding water, etc. Some people have no business being a parent, ever.

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11socks11 1 day ago +10

My wife is one of these physicians. She is a fellowship trained child abuse doctor. It’s 3 additional years of training after residency. It’s no joke.

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effitalll 2 days ago +227

The f*** it was. My kid fell off the changing station on dad’s watch when he turned around to grab wipes for a few seconds. Not a scratch. 50 fractures is something else.

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TheAskewOne 1 day ago +79

Babies have soft bones that don’t break easily. Even one fracture in a baby is enough to worry about abuse, some hospitals get suspicious every time a baby with a broken bone comes in. 50 fractures? Come the f*** on.

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mEFurst 1 day ago +15

Probably depends on the height. Ours is reasonably high (3.5ish feet, maybe 4) so I bet at 2 mo it would've been a huge issue if our kiddo had fallen off. Luckily there are straps on the changing table bit and everything we need is in the drawer right under it, so it was never an issue (also I shouldn't say "luckily", it's by design)

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Designasim 1 day ago +38

Also babies are human and just like the rest of us sometimes injuries just make no sense. A adult could roll out of bed and break an arm and ribs and then do it again 8 months later and brake nothing. But no way a baby had that many broken bones from an accident.

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mEFurst 1 day ago +18

Yea I agree it's clearly not an accident. A broken bone or two sure, but definitely not 50. That's some abuse going on

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Designasim 1 day ago +8

It didn't read the article but apparently it says some were older and healed. so it could've been from multiple "accidents". I think that's why he got a light sentence since they can't prove it wasn't multiple accidents and who was caring for the baby durning the time the injuries occurred. But child services took the baby away so they obviously knew the baby at the very least was being neglected.

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DestyNovalys 1 day ago +6

2 months old! When did he start beating her for those fractures to already be healed???

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HSBillyMays 1 day ago +3

Definitely no accident, although there are some very rare bone diseases that can cause numerous pathological fractures mimicking abuse.

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My_Name_Is_Steven 2 days ago +69

wtf? I didn't read the article (new-ish dad that can't handle details about anything happening to kids anymore basically). Did this dude rage over changing diapers and broke his daughter's bones over it???

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ThinYogurtcloset8005 1 day ago +50

I think she was abused pretty much her entire life. It mentions in the article that it was a surprise pregnancy after only knowing each other a few months and they didn't even really want her.

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WithaK19 1 day ago +43

I know a lot of people are against abortion but if the child's entire life is suffering, what's really worse?

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AdmirableParfait3960 1 day ago +18

As also a new-ish dad to a little girl who can’t handle the details.. I genuinely cannot comprehend hurting your child on purpose. They are so sweet and innocent.

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Temporary_Inner 1 day ago +17

People who are emotionally unstable or mentally ill can't really process children crying for "no reason". I can totally see them not following routines and having an emotionally unsafe house which caused the baby to cry in overdrive. This most likely caused an emotional spiral as no one in the house was getting any sleep. There's a lot of people in this earth who cannot handle something beyond if A then B. No nuance at all, and some of those people will react violently especially if there's other stressors.

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Kujaichi 1 day ago +2

>I didn't read the article (new-ish dad that can't handle details about anything happening to kids anymore basically). Yeah, I have a 2 month old, I shouldn't even have opened this thread... It doesn't help that I'm the mother, so still super hormonal.

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RCer1986 2 days ago +47

Sentencing in the US is typically too harsh. Is sentencing in Canada typically *this* light? There needs to be a happy middle ground.

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IMOBY_Edmonton 2 days ago +31

There should be light sentencing for things we can get people to stop doing, for example most people age out of theft. You can't take back breaking a babies body or killing someone. Most the Canadians I talk to are equally outraged at how light the sentences are for serious crimes, and it's down to our judges who treat everyone as if they can be redeemed. When I was in university doing criminology we had lectures fron this type and it was honestly infuriating. Respect to the defence lawyers though, they were rather open about the fact many of their clients were scum, and one guy made fun of how easy it was to get sentences and charges reduced here. He got house arrest for a client who discharged a firearm during a robbery. On the other hand I've seen thieves turn their lives around, so I support lighter sentences for them. But the literal baby rapist I met at my job, nah, they can rot in prison the rest of their life.

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ThatOneMartian 1 day ago +7

Yes, lately. If the judge can’t find a intersectional reason for letting you off the hook, they will find another way. People have had their sentence reduced because they discovered their indigenous heritage mid-trial. In my region, a white man successfully used the gay panic Defense, claiming that the victim he stabbed 37 times (taking pauses to replace the knife 3 times) came on to him, so the 37 stabbings did not constitute intentional murder, and he only got 7 years. It would be easy to just say it’s a big crop of “woke” judges, but in reality it just seems to be trendy to not hold anyone accountable in this country right now.

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Fyrrys 1 day ago +12

My child fell off her crib (climber) and suffered zero fractures. That is a lying fuckstain.

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talligan 1 day ago +21

I've been impatient changing diapers and it's resulted in poo on my hands. Not a broken femur. Maybe the baby was dropped doing it? Or just straight up abuse?

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noscreamsnoshouts 1 day ago +19

Yeah, I was gonna respond something similar, like "impatient changing diapers" can cause you to accidentally knock over baby powder. And then baby oil. And then probably hysterical crying because there's now way you're gonna get that cleaned up again. You don't "accidentally" break a fifth of your baby's bones.

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deskbeetle 1 day ago +9

Me impatiently changing diapers is saying "buddy, chill. Help mom out" in a slightly exasperated tone.

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Grizzwold37 1 day ago +10

Yep. “Buddy what the f***, now there’s poop on your feet.”

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quats555 1 day ago +8

What, he was changing the baby on the railing of their fourth floor balcony, and “oops…”??

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gnapster 2 days ago +293

With supervised 6 hour visits. Insane.

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monogramchecklist 1 day ago +183

When the father inevitably kills the child, the sentencing judge should receive a prison sentence. Judges sit on their throne handing out light sentences and receive no repercussions for them.

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Ineedsomuchsleep170 1 day ago +26

I absolutely support making magistrates criminally responsible for the consequences of inadequate sentencing.

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pulse7 1 day ago +7

Max sentences for everyone!

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AP_in_Indy 1 day ago +27

This is a horrible idea on so many levels it is unbelievable

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Arne1234 1 day ago +2

Agree. Or at the very least be removed as a judge.

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Euler007 1 day ago +15

He should be in Gen Pop forced to wear a T-shirt that says he broke fifty of his baby's bones.

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Icy-Platform3560 1 day ago +8

My Cousin’s (now ex) husband broke 20 something bones in their (then) 4 month old and he got 0 punishment at all. Even though he confessed.

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ReceptionUpstairs305 1 day ago +5

He should be sentenced to losing a limb or three.

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LogensTenthFinger 1 day ago +4

Bro he should be sentenced to the afterlife, wtf

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Grizzwold37 1 day ago +3

Under. The. Jail. F*** these fucks. That little fuckin thing is helpless and every single thing is the most [fun/funny/sad/uncomfortable/painful] thing it has ever experienced. If a 36 year old can’t grow the f*** up enough to not harm an infant, just f****** put him under the jail.

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Dudegamer010901 1 day ago +3

These kinds of sentences are very common in Canada

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SpaceLemming 1 day ago +6

Last time I advocated the punishment I think people like this should receive I got banned for violating the civility rules

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Jor94 1 day ago +2

He should get sentenced to the sparky chair or the forever sleep jab

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Konker101 1 day ago +5

This happened 6 years ago, why ist it circulating in the news? The child is 7, is doing well and living with foster parents and the biological parents are doing better.

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Lessllama 1 day ago +19

Because sentencing was yesterday.

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redracer67 1 day ago +317

I'm glad the 7 year old is with foster parents now and healthy according to the article. But, it is bat shit insane that both parents are still allowed to see her under supervision. F*** those parents. Anyone who has had babies before know they are very flexible. Breaking 50 bones is insane. They deserve the absolute worst.

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JustDuckiest 1 day ago +29

I've experienced one fracture at a time and it was excruciating. Imagining such a small child experiencing FIFTY fractures makes me feel sick. He must have been incredibly rough with her.

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HanzanPheet 1 day ago +142

How? What mitigating circumstances could warrant such a light punishment for that type of abuse? This is insanity.

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Temporary_Inner 1 day ago +57

It's Canada. Unless you do the big 3 + arms/drug trafficking & major fraud you don't really get in trouble for anything

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AgenYT0 1 day ago +13

Big 3? Murder, (S) assault and...

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egamma 1 day ago +45

Disliking maple syrup.

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CasualRickRoll 1 day ago +5

That is so utterly fucked. I can't imagine anyone feels safe in a society like that.

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Temporary_Inner 1 day ago +12

On the flip side in the US we have harsh laws on paper but that fills up our prisons pretty quickly and the tax payers aren't exactly excited to build more prisons. So functionally the same thing happens as cases take forever to get to so a lot of people are out on bail for an extended period, prosecutors plead down a lot of cases to avoid mandatory minimums, and early release programs.

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artaxs 2 days ago +436

"The father became depressed and had suicidal thoughts, and the mother did not receive support from him, according to the guilty plea." That is no excuse for hitting a baby, and the mother also plead guilty and didn't take the baby to the hospital for 3 f****** days? I get that Canada has some light sentences compared to the US, but 18 months' house arrest and he still gets to see the kid!? This whole story is a nightmare.

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Temporary_Inner 1 day ago +120

Considering he's gonna get all kinds of exceptions to leave his house for his work and therapy it's not even really a punishment. Having him check into jail on weekends for 18 months would be a better punishment.

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Spontanemoose 1 day ago +67

Canada has *very* light sentences. It's shaping up to be a big election issue as the majority of offenders have multiple offences and just keep getting released. In my city, they often make the news for having like 30+ "police encounters"

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neatlion 1 day ago +15

We just had one guy, a murderer, get released like twice in 1 year and the region couldn't do anything, just warn the public he is out. Awful!

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Arne1234 1 day ago +10

Aw. So he kicks the newborn and he feels better.

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trimolius 2 days ago +137

This happened in 2018 and the baby is now 7? Why is he being sentenced just now? I’m not familiar with the legal system of Quebec.

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pineconeminecone 1 day ago +23

I wonder if it’s northern Quebec and their courts are backlogged? Still, this is insane.

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ReindeerIsHereToFuck 2 days ago +117

He shouldn't be allowed to be around the baby ever again. What the hell? He could kill her

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Koltaia30 1 day ago +60

Shouldn't be allowed any baby. People like him should be treated like sexual predators.

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xAxlx 1 day ago +8

Just to clarify: in the article it specifies that the child is now 7. Not that that renders your comment moot, because I agree with your point

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LogensTenthFinger 1 day ago +8

Just look up Dear Zachary, in Canada the legal system doesn't care about threats to children

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hivernageprofond 1 day ago +43

Do better Canada. 18 mos house arrest? Are you kidding me?

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GlassjawIsGreat 1 day ago +4

Yet they sit here judging us haha. We should all joyously accept that both of our nations are shit.

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Pichuchu8 1 day ago +10

We should all accept every single nation is shit. Just in different ways

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r0cafe1a 1 day ago +45

“She is not suffering any long term effects.” When your first experiences of the world are violence at the hands of your ‘caregivers’ and helplessness… yeah that doesn’t just go away no matter how young you are. If anything, it’s going to shape her in ways she’ll never consciously realize, and that’s the double tragedy.

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baronesslucy 1 day ago +15

The emotional and mental trauma of this experience might not show up right now, but could show up when the child is a teen or young adult. You don't know if these broken bones are going to cause issues when she's middle aged.

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fxkatt 2 days ago +51

50 broken bones, and one broken heart.

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toastronomy 1 day ago +18

Daddy needs to have an appointment with the machine that turns cars into cubes (he's the car)

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think_up 1 day ago +22

My heart breaks for this child.

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CurmudgeonDungeon 1 day ago +6

And all other children who were/are/going to be abused. I love my children so much, they were all very much wanted, and I might make mistakes along the journey of parenthood but to do something like this to an infant or any child is something only sociopaths are capable of. This is one of the many reasons I hope reincarnation isn’t real. After this life I think I’m done.

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Arne1234 1 day ago +2

We suffer moral injury witnessing abusive parents hurting their child, and reading about these monstrous abusive sadists.

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pgqd 1 day ago +19

put him under the jail

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winetotears 1 day ago +2

Too easy.

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MsMoreCowbell828 1 day ago +7

This baby's father & mother, but ESPECIALLY the father need to stop breathing our shared air. He needs to be made not sustainable with life, but he was given 18 months of house arrest. This is a man over 30 who did this. He needs more than I can legally say.

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Ryan_1995 1 day ago +8

“The father, who is now 36 years old, was sentenced to 18 months of house arrest.” There’s people serving more time in a prison for having weed on their person than this guy is for nearly beating an helpless infant to death.. let that sink in..

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ThinYogurtcloset8005 1 day ago +15

Commenting to say I felt physically ill reading this article. I wanted to share it so everyone could see his face, know his name, know what he did, and see what a joke our justice system is in Canada.

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Grizzwold37 1 day ago +3

Where are his face or name in this article? I can’t find them. At all.

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ThinYogurtcloset8005 1 day ago +2

I think they changed it because when I initially read the article minutes after it was posted, I swear his picture was there. No idea why their names are being protected.

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pineconeminecone 1 day ago +7

“When the child sleeps or cries, S.R.-P. panics and interprets the situation as rejection on her daughter’s part. For this reason, she often wakes her up.” So thy psychologically and physically tortured this poor baby from birth, and SEVEN YEARS LATER one of them got sentenced to… 18 months? F****** disgusting.

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imthefakeagent 1 day ago +7

Blood. Boiling. I can't read this shit anymore.

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PanzerBiscuit 1 day ago +6

Can we bury cunts who do this under the prison? In cases like this, I don't think anyone can be rehabilitated. This isn't normal behaviour. You were defective from factory if you harm a child. And you don't deserve to breathe my air.

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oran12390 1 day ago +12

Why is there no mention of the father’s name or a photo? He should not be afforded the privilege of anonymity and should be known to his community.

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glitternova 1 day ago +7

Likely a publication ban to protect the identity of the victim. Quite common in Canada in cases with victims of sexual offences and/or when victims of are children.

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Woodcrate69420 1 day ago +5

Because that would basically dox the poor baby too?

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motherseffinjones 1 day ago +4

He needs some yard time with all the inmates knowing what he did to a that child

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Low_Vermicelli5946 1 day ago +6

I had two foster kids, a boy and a girl ages 1 1/2 and 4. They were terminating parental rights and we could adopt them. Kids were very abused physically and sexually. 4 year old girl would rub herself all the time and caught her with her brother naked with her on top of him. Come to find out they had an older hair pulling out, c*** smearing on the wall 8 year old sister who was even worse they wanted us to take. Then they decided to do visits with drug addict mom and stop termination. That was it for us.

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Vik_Stryker 1 day ago +5

Give him 51 fractures

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orbitaldragon 1 day ago +4

Wait a minute... It took 7 years to prosecute and he only got 18 months probation?

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PrudenceApproved 1 day ago +4

Welcome to Canada where there is no justice

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Shooknite 1 day ago +4

The dude got 18 months house arrest. She is yet to be sentenced.

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BooBoo_Cat 1 day ago +4

This is heartbreaking, but good to hear that she’s doing well. An unwanted pregnancy is no excuse to beat a baby.

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Separate-Canary559 1 day ago +5

18 months of house arrest? yeah, that'll teach him

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robexib 1 day ago +5

The good news is that that toddler is now 7 years old and seemingly thriving with a foster family.

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StoreRevolutionary70 2 days ago +18

This is why people should needs license to have kids.

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Daxx22 1 day ago +11

Emotionally agree, but logistically impossible to implement.

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Plantparty20 1 day ago +10

Yeah look at what happened in Denmark to their indigenous people

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TNG1701D-eck10 1 day ago +3

This is f****** sick. I can't even read the article.

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Different_Victory_89 1 day ago +3

Adopted my grandkids. All the people and agencies we had to go thru!! Social worker tells us its their job to put families together, not apart! ENORMOUS COST! Wouldn't trade them for the world, but yes, the system is very broken. Will leave out why we gained custody.

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GearboxTherapy 1 day ago +3

I hugged my 18 month old after reading this. How can one be so cruel.

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Strawberry-and-Sumac 1 day ago +3

Hell is too good for this absolute failure of humanity.

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shaithiswampir 1 day ago +3

Father should have everything broken as well

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Timely-Youth-9074 1 day ago +3

18 months of house arrest for the sperm donor

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ChantilyAce 1 day ago +3

House arrest? You have GOT to be kidding me. Disgusting pieces of shit, both of them. That innocent child deserves justice, not this joke of a sentence. SMDH.

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D_Winds 1 day ago +3

Soft justice system, particularly in Canada.

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Scorpionsharinga 1 day ago +3

Fractured 50 of the little ones bones and they can still see her after? What a sick country. What a broken system.

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NinjaBabaMama 20 hr ago +4

It's times like this I was I had a particular set of skills and unlimited travel money. Also, wtf is with these judges?

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CasualRickRoll 1 day ago +6

God help that poor child, and deliver immediate Justice to that evil man.

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chickens_for_laughs 1 day ago +8

There are genetic conditions that cause weakened bones, one being osteogenesis imperfecta. I hope that in any case like this the government tests for such conditions. Since the little girl is healthy at 7, it seems that this really is a case of child abuse. Years back, a mother was arrested and sent to jail for "feeding her baby antifreeze". Her child was placed in foster care. She was pregnant when she went to prison, and her second child showed the same symptoms. Meanwhile, her first child continued to be sick in foster care. Both children were then tested and found to have a genetic metabolic disorder. They both would have died if it went on much longer. The couple eventually got their kids back, but what they went through was very traumatic for them.

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CruxCrush 1 day ago +6

OI was my thought. My daughter had it - nearly every bone in her body broken when she was born via c section, healing breaks that occurred in utero, and even though they knew her condition multiple nurses broke her bones while doing routine care like taking her temp from her armpit But if you read it, it says they didn't take her to the hospital for multiple days despite a visible break that left her leg flopping. Even if the child had OI, their treatment was inexcusable

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June_Fatality 1 day ago +11

Completely unrelated to this deliberate torture of a newborn.

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Arne1234 1 day ago +2

Was not the case described above. These were violent abusive parents.

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TheBookOfTormund 1 day ago +3

“ The broken femur was one of around 50 fractures discovered in the young girl’s body over the span of her short life.” How the f*** do you write this about a child that is still alive? Wtf?

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afici0nad0 1 day ago +2

I couldnt read it to the end

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Expensive_Wafer5053 1 day ago +2

Thinking of the people who stepped in to help, this matters.

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AlarmingStop 1 day ago +2

I hope this little one ends up with someone who can give them the unconditional love that they deserve. How can someone harm something so innocent and defenseless...

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Maniacal_Utahn 1 day ago +2

18 months of house arrest? You have got to be shitting me. Wtf is wrong with people

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striykker 1 day ago +2

Hope he enjoys the rest of his life. The moment he hits gen pop his days will most likely be numbered in the single digits. Here's praying for justice.

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tayswampflorida 1 day ago +2

Sentenced to hell i hope.

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foodisgod9 1 day ago +2

Ohh I hope the father get jail house justice.

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Pasuke 1 day ago +2

37 year old of a 4 year old daughter here. I can’t imagine how I would ever justify that kind of violence to this little one. The darkest pit of hell for him.

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teamstar 1 day ago +2

Yep that sentencing checks out for Canada

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Dry_Expression_9991 1 day ago +2

What the f***? Lock this dude up forever.

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doalwa 1 day ago +2

Those parents should be locked away for the rest of their lives....I have a three year old daughter myself and lord knows...it's not always sunshine and rainbows....but if I ever were to lay a hand on her, I could not and would not forgive myself. Despicable!

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Sir-Bruncvik 1 day ago +2

I don’t even wanna read the article, the headline alone is heartbreaking F-ed up 😭

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DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE 1 day ago +13

This was in Canada

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ljlukelj 1 day ago +2

I would love 5 mins alone with any man who harms his child.

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Arne1234 1 day ago +2

I can't tell you what I would gladly do or I would be banned.

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igotnothing1455 1 day ago +1

Reading the article no excuse for the dad but for the mom I wonder if she would’ve done more if she had support. It says she was exhausted with no help at all. That’s really hard. Signed someone who did it essentially alone too. There were days where I felt like if SIDS got him at least I’d get to rest again. And just no help at all. I lost 45 pounds in the first month from stress.

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Plantparty20 1 day ago +10

It was probably exhausting taking care of a baby screaming in immense pain for days/weeks from broke bones at different stages

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Arne1234 1 day ago +3

Unimaginable that these monsters were let off with basically no consequences.

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