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MalevolentTapir Apr 1, 2026 +248

"goals" Their only stated goal is that Iran can never get nuclear weapons, so instead of (alleged) WMDs we are fighting to stop theoretical weapons here. It's not a real goal unless the entity of Iran just ceases to exist.

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Mistvessel Apr 1, 2026 +63

Wasn't the goal "stealing their oil"?

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noyoto Apr 1, 2026 +66

Yes, but also Epstein.

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SoupOfThe90z Apr 1, 2026 +19

Also, Israel wanting to take over the region the be able to control the Strait of Hormuz to be able to make money that way.

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ohlookahipster Apr 1, 2026 +1

Israel wants to ‘defang’ Iran believing it will somehow stop the flow of money and materiel to Hamas, Hezbollah, et al. Basically remove the shaft to the “axis of resistance.” Ironically, it will only strengthen everyone’s resolve. Bibi can’t pull teeth out without getting kicked and head butted.

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arwinda Apr 1, 2026 +1

How in the world did Bibi even imagine controlling this region? That's 2500 km from "home", with Iraq and Syria in the way.

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SoupOfThe90z Apr 1, 2026 +1

I’m not sure but I’m guessing with the amount of politicians Israel is bank rolling right now they believed the would be able to do it. Maybe they believed it’d be another Iraq where the US would be the ones to put soldiers and the ground to keep protected, where our troops would die for their cause and they get to keep partying and not working with healthcare as free education all on our dime.

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arwinda Apr 1, 2026 +1

Even if Iraq is toppled (didn't work the last two times), how did they imagine controlling half of Iran, and access to the Strait?

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SoupOfThe90z Apr 1, 2026 +1

I never said it was a good idea or would work. Israel is seems to be wanting to take more and more land for themselves and f*** us in the end.

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733t_sec Apr 1, 2026 +1

He has significant control over the US which is much further. If I had to guess the plan was 1) Remove the current regime using their very real crimes against their own people and funding of various terrorist organizations as Casus beli 2) Let the US take the heat and foot the bill being the "world's police" 3) Replace the government with a more democratic one 3.b) If new government is not possible have the US occupy the region and gain control via control well established in DC. 4) Use all the tricks they've deployed successfully elsewhere to manipulate the new Iranian government to their own ends

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jpk195 Apr 1, 2026 +1

That was Trump’s goal. Which is why he’s fine with leaving after basically helping Iran’s hard-liners and closing the strait.

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Indubitalist Apr 1, 2026 +9

Don’t forget any pallets of gold bars they happen upon, since the United States is apparently a pirate now.

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +4

Bombing helpless fisherman is our new favorite pastime.

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GlobalistCabal Apr 1, 2026 +1

Depends on the week…or day…or latest tweet this hour.

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Cathlem Apr 1, 2026 +1

We were on our way to achieving that goal through negotiations. Then our government murdered the negotiators, the country's anti-nuke leader, and hundreds of their children. We failed to keep them from getting nuclear weapons the moment the war started. They know they cannot be safe from us without nukes. Between what Russia is doing to Ukraine and what we're doing to Iran, the entire world knows that nukes are now necessary if you want to prevent others from invading your country. This invasion will result in drastically more nukes worldwide, and the greater probability of one being used.

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MudLOA Apr 1, 2026 +1

Greater probability of the extinction of civilization. This might be the point in history we destroy ourselves.

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PolicyWonka Apr 1, 2026 +11

Exactly. Nobody has explained how this conflict will stop Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons next year. Or five years. Or 25 years. Trump was literally bragging last year that he had “completely” destroyed Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Now we’re to believe that they were seconds away from getting a weapon in less than a year? It’s not possible unless Iran ceases to exist.

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Duna_The_Lionboy Apr 1, 2026 +1

If anything the leadership is now even more incentivized to obtain a nuke.

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realperson5647856286 Apr 1, 2026 +1

And every other country ever threatened by the US

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MaxGoldFilms Apr 1, 2026 +1

We also killed the guy who had placed the long-standing edict against nuclear weapons. Whatever one may think of the Ayatollah, he was firmly against nukes and long range ballistic missiles, and his edict was adhered to while he was alive. His edict died with him, per Islamic law.

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BleiddWhitefalcon Apr 1, 2026 +1

This war has probably guaranteed that Iran gets nukes now. It's shown that the only way you don't get invaded at this point is by having one

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Political__Theater Apr 1, 2026 +1

Every country should get nukes if they can. It’s the only rational position to take. The west can’t be trusted and is erratic; nukes have been the only proven protection so far. North Korea knows this. Pretty much every country that ‘gave up its nuclear ambitions for the greater good’ has been fucked

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MaxGoldFilms Apr 1, 2026 +1

Like the promises made to Ukraine by the West when they relinquished their nukes. All nations saw what happened.

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TiberiusCornelius Apr 1, 2026 +1

Even before this war frankly. North Korea having nukes is basically the only reason we don't f*** with them and Ukraine voluntarily gave up their nukes in the 90s and look at what happened there.

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Goose1963 Apr 1, 2026 +3

previous "goal": Tear up Iran Agreement!!!! **WHY?**

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redditpest Apr 1, 2026 +5

It was something Obama did

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Ok-disaster2022 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Which is the opposite understanding of nuclear non proliferation. There is no way to actually prevent a nation state determined to get nuclear weapons from getting nuclear weapons. You can only ever delay not ultimately prevent.

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LilSunshineKiss Apr 1, 2026 +2

Trump like oil Nation

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SANREUP Apr 1, 2026 +2

Came to say this, what goals? No clear objectives have been stated…

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underpants-gnome Apr 1, 2026 +1

Are there any goals other than reopening the strait that was already open before we started bombing Iran for no reason? Before trump tweeted that out, the only thing I heard was his press secretary saying something along the lines of 'trump will tell everybody when we've won enough'.

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Zahgi Apr 1, 2026 +1

> Their only stated goal is that Iran can never get nuclear weapons So, unless they get all of the refined uranium and destroy the centrifuges and refinement technologies, none of this matters, folks. We'd just be stuck going back in there again during a future GOP administration...

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Mother_Airline_6276 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Goals my b**** hole.

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BlazinAzn38 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Exactly! I want it over because the goals are inconsistent, made up, and frankly not something that matters to me. All this war has done has made everything worse

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Just_the_nicest_guy Apr 1, 2026 +51

>while 27% said the U.S. should work to achieve all its goals in Iran, even if the conflict goes on for an extended period. Exactly the crazification factor. I would have loved if they had asked these people, "as you understand them, what are those goals?"

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rthanu Apr 1, 2026 +23

"Whatever daddy says they are"

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FunkyChug Apr 1, 2026 +1

I’d also guess there’s a non-zero amount of his supporters that just want to see Islam destroyed and think this is the way to do it.

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DreamKillaNormnBates Apr 1, 2026 +1

I’m okay with $8 gas if it owns the libs who stereotypically drive gas guzzling full size pickups.

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Global_Crew3968 Apr 1, 2026 +1

The best part of the Trump regime is that no one is being hurt as much as MAGAs. Their shit hole states and shit hole local governments are all in. Any horrific thing Trump's dementia can cobble together, MAGAs will have to suffer through. It's all bad for all of us, but I can at least sleep knowing that no one is suffering en masse quite as much as the poor and stupid dirt people of MAGAland.

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DreamKillaNormnBates Apr 1, 2026 +1

I mean…historically those hurt most by authoritarian regimes when they really grab the reigns are those they deem their enemies. So I wouldn’t be so sure. There’s basically no downside to siding with the authoritarian regime. Like what? My niece thinks I’m a d***? Who cares? Let’s say there no election in the fall. They’re on the outs and I can still get a six figure job beating up people and they’ll be in jail and/or unemployed. That’s the reality

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oddmanout Apr 1, 2026 +1

Well, the first goal is going to be to figure out some goals.

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SnooChocolates8891 Apr 1, 2026 +29

At this point, Irans the one who will decide when this war ends. The US can pull out if it wants but the Strait will remain closed, the LNG and Oil infrastructure will remain damaged and dysfunctional for years, and there will still be thousands of dead Iranians (potentially millions poisoned from the oil refinery strikes).

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UnknownAverage Apr 1, 2026 +1

I think the vacuum left by the United States would be filled largely with coalitions of countries who want a diplomatic solution and are willing to negotiate terms for the strait that will benefit Iran in some ways. Like Qatar said, they are all neighbors and have to work this stuff out. The US has already said it plans to f*** off and leave the region in disarray and that it's everyone else's problem. The other tough guys in the region will lose their shield and tone down their rhetoric.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +7

That sounds like an America problem, because - you know - you caused it.

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TemporarySun314 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I'm sure Americans will be pissed somehow at Iranians and the world for not being grateful enough about their "liberation" of Iran. Aka replacing chamenei Sr. With chamenei jr.

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SnooChocolates8891 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I didn’t vote for this shit, but I live here with the rest of the dumbasses that did so I can’t really argue against your point.

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drumzandice Apr 1, 2026 +9

Trump's goals were achieved, at least temporarily. There was a report recently that said coverage of the Epstein files dropped like 80% or more since the start of the Epstein War.

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UnknownAverage Apr 1, 2026 +1

"Mad about me raping young girls? There, I just killed way more than I ever raped, talk about that for a while instead." - Trump

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +38

A quick end is all fine and good - what about all the economic damage America has chosen to inflict on the rest of the developed world? There will be months (at least) of severe economic impacts due to their actions. What do Americans have to say about that and what should they do to fix what they caused? Or is that now too inconvenient to consider.

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lancer-fiefdom Apr 1, 2026 +31

Not months, years if not a generation of geopolitical repair after this idiot is gone

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +21

Im not even talking about the geopolitical damage - I'm talking about the sheer economic damage the US has chosen to hand down to other nations by cutting off oil supply with the war. Here in Australia it will tip us into recession, people will lose their jobs. Petrol is already $3AUD a litre, double what you are paying in the US. That will increase significantly when our supply runs out and as a result groceries will go up and it all flows from there. Other countries will suffer in dire ways - there is a real risk of serious economic harm which America can chose to stop but refuses to. I guess sorry doesn't cut it.. in our view..

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +5

I think that as hard as it is to stomach, this second Trump term was a necessary evil to wake Americans up to the fragility of our democracy and the way we govern. Our binary political party system is completely bought and paid for by corporations all across the world. Our standing as the protector of democracy and worldwide humanitarian aid blanket is gone. People like Russell Vought wanted this to happen, he is the absolute architect of this presidency. Billionaires run the world, and they’re why Trumps administration is in office. Those of us with progressive beliefs and an intact moral compass are being outpaced by the droves of mindless proles whose faces are glued to the social media platforms that mindfuck them. Our traditional media platforms are owned by the people who want to see all the rest of us dead or relegated to factories. Pretty soon, revolution will be the only option. There is no one coming to save America.

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silicondali Apr 1, 2026 +1

Be careful. You are going to unlock a river of twats who will twist themselves into "what about meeee? I didn't vote for him (don't look at my post history)" knots. I cannot emphasize enough how little anyone else on the planet gives a f***. We are exhausted and furious with this pissant country and its pissant president acting like they still have any soft power. It's a joke of a country that fights for the right to have their children shot in school, but forgot about that "well organized militia against tyranny" part.

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +1

I get what you’re saying, and obviously we Americans didn’t do enough the last election/ haven’t done enough for decades, regardless of how we voted in the last 3 elections. Most of us who aren’t retired yet, will never be able to retire. The rich have plundered the United States, and it won’t stop until the people grow some huevos. Don’t let it happen where you live, and since it’s probably already started, put a stop to it before it gets worse.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +5

> There is no one coming to save America All I really took from this is a large sookfest about how democracy in America is too hard and why other nations should suffer as a result of your latest indulgences. There might be no one coming to save America but that is because you have driven all your allies away and the economic damage you are current inflicting means your allies cannot now afford to... It really is a situation of your own making. edit to add: I used to empathize with Americans living in America but I suppose the current outlook in my own nation due to the oil shortages has erased that.

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MurtaghInfin8 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I mean we're really a populace that slowly allowed a transition to oligarchy and there's no clear path to undo that. Best I hope for short term is that our oligarchs realize that their investments require the US to remain relevant and connected. If it falls to democrats to save us, I don't like our odds. Midterms may go our way, but until the wealthy realize that Democrats are better for them. Typical R voter went from useful idiot to dangerous idiot, and those that like the status quo are hopefully smart enough to realize that their beast needs put down. I'm sorry that Americans aren't capable of learning until it impacts us at home. We're really stupid overall, and it's that way by design. I guess all that is to say is that the Americans failing you now, had our teeth removed long ago. We don't understand how our government works. We turn to TikTok for medical advice/diets. It's absolutely astonishing how many morons I deal with on the daily (and I'm in a field that you wouldn't expect that to be the case). We're absolutely fucked right now, and it really is up to our corporate overlords to save us because we are incapable. We deserve some pity: most of the shit impacting us we had zero say in, but we're absolutely a threat to the world and the best way to get us back on track is hurt our bottom line. The unfortunate part is how taking down the US a few notches will hurt everyone, but it needs to be done.

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bearbrannan Apr 1, 2026 +1

I don't think we deserve pity, we had 4 f****** years of this from 2016-2020 and the last one ended with a multi year pandemic handled about as poorly as you would expect. Followed by him and his supporters trying to overturn a election. Just when we escaped his tsunami of bullshit, we have 70 percent of the country that decided yeah lets let his manic be in charge again, and this time well give him a majority in every branch of government. To make matters worse, they literally were so embolden that they wrote their entire blueprint and put it online for everyone to read, but all it took was Trump lying, saying "I never heard of it" for people to go "oh okay guess that's the end of that" At some point we have to look in the mirror and hold ourselves accountable for being stupid, and apathetic.

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Konnnan Apr 1, 2026 +1

Yeah, but, eggs were expensive! (Despite there being an easily google'd bird flu decimating the industry).

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MurtaghInfin8 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Do you blame the goods for being defective or the manufacturing process? Our predecessors allowed for a lack of regulations and standards that are f****** up our youth. And this has been setting in since before most of us were born. It really isn't a lot of people's faults they've turned out stupid: they never had the tools to succeed in the first place, so for them I think pity is appropriate. We're a nation of pawns programmed to feel like we have agency, and I hope that is a truth that can be reclaimed, but it's going to take time to achieve that. Whether the left or the right does well next election, it'll still be at the behest of lobbiests and oligarchs. We may eventually cut out strings, but so long as the average voter has shit education and unlimited access to engagement based social media, the status quo will be maintained. The average voter still won't show up to the primaries. We'll still have a huge portion of the populace that will opt to stay home on election day. We may make a babystep at the midterms, but we still have constituents with memories the size of a gnat. I don't think it's wrong to pity people who never had the chance to succeed. Edit: and to reiterate, that pity doesn't mean that people should treat us with kid gloves. We'll cling to ignorance like our lives depend on it. We don't want to learn, so we need to be forced into a position where there's no alternative. Until average Americans start maxing out credit cards, lose homes, and start having to skip meals, we aren't going to learn shit.

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ThePlanck Apr 1, 2026 +3

It really is a country of dumb idiots if you guys weren't clued up enough by his first term. Now the whole world has to suffer because of the selfishness and idiocy of the average American voter

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lancer-fiefdom Apr 1, 2026 +1

The stupidity is not uniquely America .. look at Brexit, all of Western Europe completely aware of it military reliance on the USA, and still not doing a damn thing about it Argentina with Javier Milei, Hungary’s Orban, Russias Putin, etc etc The world is full of 33% idiots, 33% informed & 33% uninterested

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Frequent_Can117 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Yup, I’ve been saying this. The supporters can say “bu-bu-but I didn’t know this would happen!” It’s bullshit. They had his first term and January 6th and they were still so goddamn f****** stupid to re-elect him. And now people in the country with a working brain and people around the world have to suffer because of these f****** morons. They don’t get forgiveness (and no, not wishing harm. They just don’t get forgiveness because it absolves them of guilt.)

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BlondeBorednBaked Apr 1, 2026 +9

Americans don’t care about you. We don’t even care about each other. Americans only care about ourselves as individuals. It’s a capitalist, narcissist country and that mental illness has spilled out onto the world.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026

Yes, that is what I'm trying to illustrate. How selfish their actions are. edit: the comment I am replying to sounds unapologetic and even proud of who they are haha. Epitome right there.

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BlondeBorednBaked Apr 1, 2026 +7

Americans don’t care that we are selfish though. Telling us we are selfish has no impact. If the world wants to send a message, they need to sanction us. Make us hurt and cut us out of the global supply chain. Minimize our ability to hurt you by shutting us out. Americans don’t have morality, the only thing that changes our behavior is consequences and even those aren’t a sure bet. I honestly think world leaders have failed by enabling and normalizing Trump thus far.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

Looking at the Rhetoric from Macron, Stamer and other allies I believe that is what may happen next. I dont think you can hold "world leaders" responsible for the election of Donald Trump and subsequent events. It was not the decision of other nations (except israel) to go into Iran and cause this situation.

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BlondeBorednBaked Apr 1, 2026 +1

I’m not holding them accountable for his behavior, I’m holding them accountable for their behavior. They did trade with him, they shook his hand, smiled at photo ops, let him talk shit about them, they made deals with him. World leaders should’ve been anticipating this fiasco. They do have some power in this situation. Cutting off trade with America, minimizing our global influence and impact is a step that should’ve been taken already. ETA: I’m not shifting blame from Trump or Americans, we’ve totally fucked over the world. I’m just saying, your leaders need to do damage control and use what power they have to help you instead of being cowards. You are their responsibility. The fact that they haven’t taken action, that there is only “rhetoric” so far is a failure of your own leadership.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

I think it is hard for world leaders because as I said in another thread - alliances transcend domestic politics. I think the Biden years really lulled world leaders into a sense that things were going back to normal - which was fine as world leaders had persevered and the issues were quickly rectified - but now that they know Trumpism is a more permanent fixture of the American identity there will be measures that should not be rolled back and safeguards placed permanently. These are alliances on which the modern world is founded and underpin defence, trade and political alliances and values so you can excuse them for not wanting to give them up so easily (for the good of everyone).

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BlondeBorednBaked Apr 1, 2026 +1

This conversation isn’t about domestic politics. **Trump has been threatening to invade Canada and Greenland for a year, yet your leaders maintain an alliance with him.** So, no I don’t excuse them. They should’ve seen this coming and been taking steps to mitigate the damage. That’s what a good leader does. The fact that your leaders still haven’t taken concrete action to sever the alliance makes them complicit in your suffering.

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ProfessorZhu Apr 1, 2026 +1

I am so tired of this shit, I have my complaints about European leaders, too, but you're completely ignoring the fact that the EU is economically tied to the US. I'm sorry Europe doesn't have emotional man babies who will sacrifice the well being of the world to prove they are right. Europe is ACTIVELY disconnecting itself from US banking and other financial systems, but unlike the man baby, we all tolerate in the US. To do it right takes time. Funny you bring up Greenland and Canada, who got saved from Trump's ambitions by the stalwart resistance by Europe, it wasn't you, me, or the democrats that prevented those tragedies, it was the European leaders *YOU* deride! Right now, Europe is STILL trying to disconnect from the DECADES or integration that has happened since the forties. That's not even to mention how much the militaries are intertwined with US hardware and doctrine. That doesn't just evaporate overnight. The only big mistake Europe made was seventy years ago when they accepted integration into a larger power Pull the stick from your own eye before worrying about the splinter in another's

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BlondeBorednBaked Apr 1, 2026 +1

OP was complaining about how Trump’s decisions are impacting them as someone who lives in AU. I simply told them that their leaders need to minimize the impact by disentangling themself from the US. Something EU leaders should’ve done a long time ago. You can’t depend on the US to do the right thing to ease suffering in the EU. By waiting for that moment which isn’t coming, you are just increasing damage to the EU. Any country that lets an ex president do a coup and go unpunished is not safe to trade or have a military alliance with. (Duh.) It’s also not realistic to expect Americans to solve this problem ourself at the moment. We will never have the votes in the senate to remove him because of gerrymandering, the structure of our government and corruption. Trump is here to stay until his term ends. That’s if Trump even allows the US to have midterm elections. So the EU needs to do what it can to save itself from further fallout.

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +5

Not to throw gas on the fire, but you do know that your government shares a signals intelligence program with the US, right in your country? It’s not just the evil Americans doing bad shit, we just have most of the weapons. It’s the leadership of every major nation in the world that has sold out to corporate interests. Those are the enemies. If we’re fucked, everybody takes it in the ass, even if it’s just the tip.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

Yes, it is called Pine Gap - its quite important to five eyes. Many Australians want the US removed but the legality is that the land is under some sort of ownership of the US. 5 eyes and pine gap is used for a lot more than the US though - it also services the other nations in the 5 eyes alliance which would also need to unwind. This is a bit of a strawman though, to the war you caused because only the US can now reverse the situation you have caused.

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +1

I’m sorry you’re having a hard time paying for gas. I’m sorry the utopia that Australia apparently was, is disappearing. The United States is a democracy and just like yours, we have idiots that buy into nationalism. Just like Australia, we have a history of slavery and f****** over Native peoples to make “progress”. But this is the price the world pays for the kleptocracy that corporations and lobbyists have created, while we all enjoyed our formerly peaceful lives.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

"Sorry we fucked this up for everyone and everyone else gets to deal with an economic fallout that will affect them greater than it will affect us.. thats just the price of sharing a planet with us" lol

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Positive_Total_8651 Apr 1, 2026 +1

You're screaming into a void, bruv. You're not gonna find what you're looking for on a listnook thread about US politics.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

Im interested to know how aware the average American is to these issues and what their attitude is.

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ProfessorZhu Apr 1, 2026 +1

You are highlighting exactly what they're talking about. Rather than showing a little bit of compassion and understanding, you, a "resistance" type, are yelling at an Austrailian about our impact on them. The fact that the Democrat coalition doesn't respond with kindness to our allies but instead with offense, or in Gavin's case, call ally leaders d*** sucker's, just shows why no one should trust the United States ever again.

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +1

Ummm - no one is yelling at anyone. It’s just convenient that our allies are victims of American aggression, while willingly sharing information with us, engaging in trade with us. Maybe put some pressure on your elected representatives to stop trading with the US. But when gas prices go up, everyone wants to cry about it and blame it on the American voter, which is such a myopic view of what is a worldwide problem. Let’s just lie to ourselves and make believe that Trump isn’t the product of global corporate culture. It’s more than homegrown American dipshits that wanted the dying t*** in power.

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ProfessorZhu Apr 1, 2026 +1

"Haha, no one is actually raising their speaking volume to indicate agitation. Hehehhehe checkmate" People like you are exactly why I have given up on America. Even if somehow Trump doesn't rig the elections and Democrats take power, you all won't accept your role in destabilizing the world and instead want to diffuse your own actions and blame others Europe is *ACTIVELY* disconnecting it's self from US institutions. They just have the benefit of having world leaders who won't blow up the planet in a childish ego tantrum. You all are going to be so f****** upset when in five to ten years no one in Europe is dependent on the US anymore and you all will whine "BUT IT WAS THE OTHER GUUUUUYYYYYY!!!!!!"

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +1

In all sincerity, I hope Europe consolidates their military resources into a confederation that can act as a check against American aggression. Many people don’t understand how the world works. Governments are weaker than the corporations that line the pockets of all our politicians. Our politicians most important constituents are corporations. Americans haven’t had their country occupied in time of war, they don’t understand that the goods they purchase, become the purchasing power to control their legislative processes. Maybe Europe will buck the trend. I highly f****** doubt it though.

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Indubitalist Apr 1, 2026 +4

Well, it’d be super neat if we had a recall procedure for federal officials that wasn’t “rely on the federal officials to ‘recall’ each other through impeachment.” We’re kinda stuck. Won’t surprise me at all if it turns out the entire Republican Party at the federal level is in the Epstein files and engaged in some huge Mexican standoff extortion scheme where they all go along with whatever Trump wants and none of them get hurt. But everybody else does, to say nothing of the teenage girls specifically.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +5

Yeah, you see, the thing about allies is that generally we don't give a f*** about domestic politics of each other because alliances run deeper than that and transcend domestic political boundaries. I empathize with the epstein situation you have (victims only) but I dont empathize with the situation you have caused and found yourselves in. It is regretable that you have chosen to willfully inflict harm on your allies economically. In short, this is an American problem and Americans should fix it. But we all know that won't happen because you will refuse to. There is no good will outreach by Democrats to help mediate with allied nations to open the strait... No opposition at all from Democrats to the impact Trump is inflicting economically around the world. Theres just no regard.. and there will be no apology from the American people either - and I guess sorry wouldnt even cut it anymore.. The old alliances are dead and should be torn up.

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Indubitalist Apr 1, 2026 +1

>There is no good will outreach by Democrats to help mediate with allied nations to open the strait... This would be a state crime, possibly punishable by death. There’s a reason this hasn’t happened. And no, “we” didn’t do this, the polling on most of Trump’s initiatives has been underwater. Half of the voters picked the narcissist psycho and evidently regretted it immediately, half of the voters picked somebody who aligned with America’s traditional values, and the rest didn’t vote because they couldn’t or they’re too selfish.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

Is this the latest conservative talking point? "Oh they couldn't possibly be this deluded.. someone MUST be coercing them!" - really they are trying every excuse now..

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

I was commenting more on the ridiculousness of the idea - but I suppose we will never know because I dont see how you get your country back now, without some kind of uprising or civil war. Sounds like an America problem, though. Not something that concerns the rest of the world.

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wired1984 Apr 1, 2026 +1

If it was me I would hand Trump over to Iran (or your voters) and you can punish him however you want. That’s not going to happen. MAGA is never going to pay me for all the wrong done to my country (the US) and the US is never going to pay any of the countries suffering now. The line of shit runs downhill into all our mouths. If you’re disgusted and enraged, that’s very reasonable. Things can’t stay the same.

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Equivalent-Excuse-80 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Oh won’t someone please think about the developed world?!?! I’m pretty confident developing countries are going to be exponentially affected negatively by this than any developed country.

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TheWarelock Apr 1, 2026 +1

Right what a ridiculous sentiment after we’ve butchered maimed and destabilized the shit out of the entire Middle East.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +1

I'm sure they will also get the ass from America in response, too. We know that allies are treated no better than enemies, whether developed or developing.

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guttanzer Apr 1, 2026 +1

“Americans” are pissed. “MAGA/Putin” loyalists are mostly confused. Once we (loyal Americans) manage to get this MAGA/Putin cancer removed we’ll see what can be salvaged. Putin’s Trump warhead has been surprisingly destructive, so we are not optimistic. Many things we used to take as givens will have to be new start initiatives with decades-long strategic plans.

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superspacetrucker Apr 1, 2026 +1

I'd like to see devastating worldwide sanctions applied on America, and especially on red states and Republican individuals. Make the sanctions last at least a decade after they purge these elements, and the only way to wind them down is to convict and purge your fascist elements. The world will be dumping US bonds over the next decade anyway,that's a certainty, and the petrodollar will collapse. These factors alone will be the end of the US empire, but those sanctions are necessary to punish the American population who allowed this to happen.

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TaxCPA Apr 1, 2026 +1

On the bright side, I think this will be the event that will make counties invest into renewable energy in a focus to be energy independent. When all it takes is one mad man to f*** everything up, it's a sign the system is completely broken.

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Bittererr Apr 1, 2026 +26

So when we are still embroiled in this conflict come November, 2/3 of Americans will vote for new leadership, right? Right? Oh, you mean this is another opinion poll where people will say one thing but it won't actually influence how they vote? Opinion polling is pointless if people don't actually care enough to exert their political will based on that opinion.

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Mr-ReDiCulouZ Apr 1, 2026 +7

Question is if they will be given the chance to vote in new leadership. Or if those who screwed up has screwed up for life.

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Quadrenaro Apr 1, 2026 +1

Well, you have to remember that this isnt the only opinion people have that influence their choices.

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IRideMoreThanYou Apr 1, 2026 +5

Oh, that’s right, being a racist, bigot, with fake morals to control what others do while supporting human trafficking, massive corruption, removal of rights, and a desperate desire to believe disinformation to fuel their unjustified outrage is way more important when it comes to who they vote for.

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jim45804 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Yeah, what goals are we talking about here?

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Low-Astronomer-7009 Apr 1, 2026 +1

I would love to know what the poll actually said.

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gamesbonds Apr 1, 2026 +8

The US goal in this war imo was to use this "national emergency" for oil, to dismantle more environmental protections on public lands and protected lands. They have opened 200 million acres to drilling and fracking. 11 million acres of protected rice whale endangered species opened to oil and gas industry just yesterday. 5 billion oil rig got the green light in gulf of mexico What's more plausible i guess? An Iranian with a nuclear bomb vest or the oil industry banking hard on this "national emergency"? Who's investing into these gas and oil giants and the new land? Blackrock. Who's broker inquired about a multimillion-dollar investment in a BlackRock defense ETF Pete Hegseth's broker.

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industrial-complex Apr 1, 2026 +1

Thank you for this. It’s all just an excuse to continue draining the earth of petroleum, endangering all life on earth and enabling multinational companies to manipulate global markets. Oil=$$$=Control=War=$$$

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Eggheadpancake Apr 1, 2026 +5

You'd have to have goals first. We didn't have any goals. Just a Nazi trying to be a bully.

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teddykaygeebee Apr 1, 2026 +1

The goals keep changing. All Americans care about is the price of things. Two-thirds of Americans can't even point out Iran on a map.

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Made_Human_Music Apr 1, 2026 +1

The only real goal was to distract from the Epstein/Trump files in which case mission accomplished

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metarx Apr 1, 2026 +6

Americans are dumb to think ending it, means things go back to what they were before. It was Pandora's box... There is no undo button. Gas prices will continue to be high and get higher still... F****** idiots this country is full of..

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Bronzeshadow Apr 1, 2026 +1

What goal? There was a goal?

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S99B88 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Have you seen a reduction in mentions of the Epstein files?

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zffjk Apr 1, 2026 +5

Someone describe to me the goals again?

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Hades_Mercedes Apr 1, 2026 +3

Steal oil to pretend that their standard of living is sustainable for another 6 months.

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Diddly_eyed_Dipshite Apr 1, 2026 +1

Basically it's "hey look over there"

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azry1997 Apr 1, 2026 +1

3 major things 1. Regime change in Iran (obv a gov that is subservient to US) 2. Iran doesn't developed nuclear weapons 3. Ballistics missiles are not a threat to Israel After 15000+ location including many of Iran leaders being bomb by US/Israel, do you see those 3 objectives achieve? lol

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TheUnderCrab Apr 1, 2026 +1

What goddamn goals?

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shoobe01 Apr 1, 2026 +4

Goals? What goals? Dead serious. We started bombing them because... ??? We don't do wars with defined end states\* anymore, and this is no exception. If you pick a quote from anyone as to the goals... that's one quote. It keeps changing. Including (appx in time order): * Permanently dismantle Iran's nuclear capabilities (see below) * Destroy its ballistic missile and drone arsenal (destroy how much? And is this possible?) * Annihilate the Iranian Navy (how much?) * Weaken Iran-backed proxies (even more so: how much? In what way? Where?) * Regime change (change to what?) * Improve regional security (it is vastly worse now) * Establishing a "new security reality" (meaning what?) * Neutralizing military threats to the U.S. and Israel (there was no threat to domestic US actions, and nearly none to US trade etc. until we started bombing — solve this by going back and not starting the war) That first one is a great example of the old adage that war is an extension of politics by other means. We had a good agreement, Trump tore it up, apparently so he could insist on bombing them later. Goals are to be achieved, kinetic action is only one way and not the preferred one for non-horrible people. \**End State* is a term of art for military operation planning. What does the situation look like at the end if the operation was successful? Then those executing have something to work towards, can.

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malakon Apr 1, 2026 +2

What have we acheived. 100s of billions spent, American and Iranian lives lost. Hard line regime entrenched with renewed anti American sentiment. Straight of Hormuz blocked, World further disgusted with US. No nuclear deal. Ok, We have likely 90% destroyed Irans military. They will eventually rebuild. How does Trump exit this and call it "Victory".

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spazz720 Apr 1, 2026 +2

Unfortunately Iran would have full control of the Strait and gas prices would remain high for the foreseeable future

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E_hV Apr 1, 2026

Exactly, theres a infinitesimal chance that things reset to the previous status quo. The genies out of the bottle, the US is going to have to go back to nation building in the middle east. This is the definition of actions have consequences, that includes voters and all Americans. 20 more years of this bullshit. That being said societally, since we're going to be stuck in a war no one wants, let's not regress to Vietnam era of disparagement of soldiers. Politicians are deserve the vitriol, but soldiers dont have a choice. Iraq and the War on terror fucked up a lot of young people.

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Angreek Apr 1, 2026 +2

Goals?

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crappydeli Apr 1, 2026 +1

Does anyone know what the goals were supposed to be?

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Useful-World1781 Apr 1, 2026 +1

What goals? Iran was not a threat to us at all. Our genocidal toddler has been throwing the same tantrum for the last 30 years. We just finally elected someone dumb and corrupt enough to get us into something we had no business being in.

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DanceCommander404 Apr 1, 2026 +1

You’re telling me that 1/3 of the country wants this war crime to continue for a long time?

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EatRichGrains Apr 1, 2026 +1

This "war" is a last ditch effort of "billionaires" and losers who wish to be perceived that way to distract from their r***, torture, pedophile cannibalism dens.

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Curious-Emu3894 Apr 1, 2026 +1

We didn’t want it in the first place but some lil d*** psycho with a dictator complex had to go and show how small he is by starting to help MURDER people across the world!

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Stang1776 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Nobody knows the goals, not even the administration

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Ubilease Apr 1, 2026 +1

Can I get a quick end to this "Presidency" even if some goals are unachieved?

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Past_Discipline_6473 Apr 1, 2026 +1

We didn't want this war in the first f****** place.

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toejampotpourri Apr 1, 2026 +1

A goal without a plan is only a dream.

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Accomplished-Run221 Apr 1, 2026 +1

What goals? Covering up the Trump/Epstein files?

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schu4KSU Apr 1, 2026 +3

There were never any goals. Israel goaded him into sending the fleet as a means "to intimidate Iran" then they Leroy Jenkins him and assassinated the political leadership.

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PillowPrincess314 Apr 1, 2026 +2

There are no goals. There's nothing to achieve. It's all been pointless from the start. No matter when it "ends" we'll all be left worse off than before. It'll take years to recover from this.

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potato_bus Apr 1, 2026 +2

I’m impressed that 1/3 think there are actual goals

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PopPalsUnited Apr 1, 2026 +2

As far as I can tell there was no “goals” as far as military action. This was a cover for the Epstein files.

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Aware_Cheesecake_519 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Everyone wants the war to end. Except Trump, who only likes to fight instead of helping.

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Hakushakuu Apr 1, 2026 +1

It's been quite consistent that about 30% of the population are aligned with maga causes. That's about a 100 million not that bright people.

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Andovars_Ghost Apr 1, 2026 +1

Well that’s good, because Trump excels at being an unachiever!

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CptHA86 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Don't think you guys realize how badly they fucked this whole thing up. Iran will keep the Strait of Hormuz closed, and collect tolls from ships trying to pass. That coupled with sanctions being removed from Russia, means that not only did Trump just gift Russia with a bunch of cash, but he just saved the Iranian government. All of that and we're in an even weaker position to support Taiwan, the Philippines, or Korea in the event of hostilities. The only other option is to go full invasion which will in all likelihood obliterate the US economy since we're already bankrupt.

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Solonohioperson Apr 1, 2026 +1

There are no goals just a bigger mess that American troops are dying for.

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RespectTheTree Apr 1, 2026 +1

I personally want a forever war that Republicans will use to cry about fiscal responsibility when they inevitably lose office.

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nudecat1234 Apr 1, 2026 +1

What are the goals ??

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Raptorex27 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Cool, cool. Quick question: What were the f****** "goals"?

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ap191 Apr 1, 2026 +1

What is the point of these polls? It’s not like trump listens to them unless it fits in with his interests.

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tinahowlett Apr 1, 2026 +1

Other than distracting from Epstein — does ANYONE know what those goals are???

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One_Disaster_5995 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Nobody wanted that war in the first place. I hope they kick his ass in the midterms.

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Strangewhine88 Apr 1, 2026 +1

We don’t know what the objective is. It has never been stated clearly.

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zenbowman Apr 1, 2026 +1

There are no goals that have ever been presented, so of course I do not to bomb little girls to achieve some some fictional goal for Orange man. Pull out now and seek forgiveness from Iran.

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bassthrive Apr 1, 2026 +1

Trouble is the window for pullout has passed. Anything now will be seen as a massive L for the USA and most of the world. Iran will control the new Hormuz Toll Road, taking in untold numbers of Chinese yuan. Goodbye to the petro dollar and the USAs ability to economically sanction any other nation ever again. Forget about ever having another US military base anywhere within the gulf nations. Iran will probably develop nuclear weaponry for real this time, and with valid reason.

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justbunnies Apr 1, 2026 +1

We won’t meet the goals because there are none. It was a little boo boo baby b**** tantrum over the Epstein Files.

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lurch556 Apr 1, 2026 +1

The U.S. is going to pull out with the entire Middle East in shambles and Trump’s approval is going to go up because People are so goddamn shortsighted and ignorant

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Low-Exam-7547 Apr 1, 2026 +1

\*\* raises hand \*\* What goals?

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KnotSoSalty Apr 1, 2026 +1

What goals?

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Browns45750 Apr 1, 2026 +1

So we have spent billions in missiles jets etc , caused 13 men and women ( so far ) to make the ultimate sacrifice have wiped out a few trillion in market value and damaged oil and gas infrastructure that will take months to years to fix for absolutely nothing. Can’t wait for the neocon wing of the nyt editorial board to call it a smashing success

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BigBoyYuyuh Apr 1, 2026 +1

2/3 of Americans should’ve voted better. Have the day you voted for!

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AustinQuinn48 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Thing is you want a quick end thats easy but the same deals like before thats not going to happen. There will be a cost either way. How do people not understand that fact?

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Ass_Cream_Cone Apr 1, 2026 +1

Whats the goal? When did anyone state an actual goal?

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WhatRUHourly Apr 1, 2026 +1

I think a kind of amazing part of this is that due to the fact that the US has no real goals and no real plans for this war... there is really no way in which the US can win the war. Even if we had goals, since we have no actual plans to follow up on those goals, we would still basically lose this war and in the end it puts American lives at risk, even here in the US.

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Upbeat-Associate2672 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Leaving now would be catastrophic for Iranians

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hobbestot Apr 1, 2026 +1

The goals that were already complete. Clown show.

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Smaynard6000 Apr 1, 2026 +1

No shit. It should have never f****** happened, and now everything is worse.

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AGrandNewAdventure Apr 1, 2026 +1

1/3rd want a long, drawn-out, bogged-down quagmire???

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111anza Apr 1, 2026 +1

Iran agrees to open the straight for those friendly counties who are willing to pay 1.5-2 million for safe passage. Before the war, the straight is considered free open water by international law only reverting to Iran control in case of war. Now after defeating ghe US military, they will retain control and giving iran additional 100 billion a year in income which translate to 20% GDP growth. This whole mess actually worked out great for Iran and it o Will only further enable iranian regime to hold on to power and achieve nuclear ambition much faster.

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turb0_encapsulator Apr 1, 2026 +1

two thirds isn't enough. two thirds is a pretty typical percentage of Americans who are opposed to any particular Republican policy, from healthcare to taxes. yet somehow they still win elections.

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Eastern_Pin_5567 Apr 1, 2026 +1

No thought was given before entering this. Exit quickly without thought, as well.

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sealclubberfan Apr 1, 2026 +1

I'll give my opinion once Trump and his morons decide to actually state what the objective actually was in the first place to start bombing a sovereign country.

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Ok_Sound9973 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Donald Trump was carrying out Netanyahu wish list as well as UAE Saudi Arabia AND no American Soilders should die for them

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jvd0928 Apr 1, 2026 +1

Can’t happen. It was ours to start. It is not ours to end.

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fuckswitbeavers Apr 1, 2026 +1

Who is the 30% from these fake polls? Nobody supports this

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PrideofPicktown Apr 1, 2026 +1

It won’t end for a very long time. Iran has not retaliated yet, but they will. The m*********** really fucked us on this one.

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NamelessResearcher Apr 1, 2026 +1

No kidding. Who knew most Americans would want a quick end to a war waged for idiotic reasons?

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ZonghZonghZongh Apr 1, 2026 +1

*Two-thirds of Americans want a quick end to war that the Trump Administration never bothered to consult with, nor persuade them to get behind*

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Horror_Ad7540 Apr 1, 2026 +1

There are goals?

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Jackle3000 Apr 1, 2026 +1

We’ll have a quick end tonight when our surrender to Iran is announced by the orange prez.

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Lonely_Noyaaa Apr 1, 2026 -1

People aren't just against this on principle. They're watching $4 gas and doing the math on what their summer looks like. What does $5 gas do to these numbers?

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Diddly_eyed_Dipshite Apr 1, 2026 +1

Americans priorities are so incredibly fucked. That society is lost long ago.

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littlespoon Apr 1, 2026 +4

Do you realize you are now paying peanuts for fuel compared to the rest of the world, because you have shut off the oil supply to the rest of the world? The average American price of petrol, which currently comes in at $5.81 ($3.99 USD) per gallon (A gallon is 3.8 litres), works out to approximately $1.535 per litre, almost half the price we’re paying in Australia. In Australia a litre of petrol is now $3.60AUD ($2.50USD) - a equivalent gallon of fuel here would be $9.50USD here. Imagine what these prices are doing to our economy.. Thanks a lot.

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fezmessiter Apr 1, 2026 +2

Hopefully keep people off the roads. I heard people drive less when gas prices go up.

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kelsey11 Apr 1, 2026

What goals?

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PopPalsUnited Apr 1, 2026 +3

Epstein files.

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brokenmessiah Apr 1, 2026

American's don't care about America's global goals at all beyond how it affects the cost of gas. While I don't think we should have started it, now its on, I think we should go ahead and actually accomplish something in Iran.

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