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News & Current Events Mar 31, 2026 at 2:37 AM

[UK] Court of appeal says it cannot rule on which identical twin fathered a child

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Court of appeal says it cannot rule on which identical twin fathered a child
the Guardian
Court of appeal says it cannot rule on which identical twin fathered a child
One twin wanted to take parental responsibility from the other for child P after both had sex with child’s mother

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cmstlist Mar 31, 2026 +428
Apparently deep full genome sequencing actually can determine this paternity question. It just wouldn't show up on a conventional DNA test. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497313002275 
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stink3rb3lle Mar 31, 2026 +238
The court did mention that determining the actual father now would come at a significant cost.
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julie78787 Mar 31, 2026 +69
Three deep scans is going to be pretty expensive.
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soulsteela Mar 31, 2026 +45
Only need one brother to be scanned, not you it’s the other.
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julie78787 Mar 31, 2026 +78
Both are needed. They are identical twins and you’d need to know which brother has a specific spontaneous mutation or if it was unique to the child.
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Mooshan Mar 31, 2026 +54
No, not really. The two brothers are going to have nearly identical alleles. There will be ~100 mutations that are unique to each (de novo germline variants), and maybe hundreds of thousands that they share (inherited germline variants). The child will share ~50% of the father's variants. Identifying the father will involve identifying the 100 unique variants that each brother has, and seeing which of those was inherited by the child. The child should have roughly 50 of the father's unique variants, and zero of the not-fathers. If you only sequence one brother, then you won't know which of the 100,000s of variants are the 100 unique ones to each. Basically, both brothers are very nearly as genetically similar to the child. You need to figure out which brother is *more* similar, which you can't do without knowing exactly how similar each brother is. This is different to a regular paternity test in which you are checking to see if the child is more similar to the potential father than by random chance. You could hypothetically get lucky with one brother, though. If you sequence the false father only, it is possible that some of their unique variants are very close to their non-unique variants. Variants that are very close together on the same chromosome are very likely to be inherited together by the child. (But equally likely to be not-inherited together.) If the child only has one of two very linked variants, it is highly unlikely that the sequenced twin is the father, since statistically, the child should have both or neither, but not just one. But the whole setup of this would be unlikely and difficult.
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julie78787 Mar 31, 2026 +26
The child can also have spontaneous somatic mutations. If the child doesn’t match Brother #1 you wouldn’t know if the mutation was unique to the child or came from Brother #2.
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Mooshan Mar 31, 2026 +6
Yes this is true. Somatic mutations should generally be removed by low frequency filters, though. But that's also dependent on data quality and depth.
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julie78787 Mar 31, 2026 +3
It depends on how early in embryonic development the mutation happens. But yeah, paternity can definitely be determined if we have WGS with enough samples and long enough reads that the quality and legal strength is up there.
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ElectronicMoo Mar 31, 2026 +4
I can't imagine that would hold up legally. Feels like you'd have to prove that perso specifically,, not rule out the other pitentials till there's one remaining.
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Mr_ToDo Mar 31, 2026 +3
And that would be a bit like what the judge said. Guess it's more of a filp >“The failure to prove a fact means that that fact is not proved, it does not mean that the contrary is proved. >“There is a distinction between something being not proven, and making a positive declaration that the fact asserted is not true.” Guess it's more of a flip on that. Proving that the child has shared many genes with one person doesn't mean you've proven the other one doesn't as well. Granted I imagine that a proper expert on the matter could say if it did. But with my introduction 60 seconds ago, I don't think that just testing one is enough
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speculatrix Mar 31, 2026 +18
The basic cost of medical grade WGS is merely $200 these days not including the medical analysis and counselling that you'd get as a patient. https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/illumina-pitches-200-genomes-new-line-dna-sequencers
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Mooshan Mar 31, 2026 +16
I don't think medical-grade WGS will be good enough to identify the rare unique variants that differentiate the twins. Medical things usually rely on a priori knowledge that variants of interest exist. If you are suspected of having a genetic disease, you can get away with poor quality/low depth sequencing if you already know what you're looking for. Semi-crappy evidence of a smoking gun in a pile of debris is pretty good when you know what a gun looks like and you know that there shouldn't be one in the pile in the first place. Trying to find evidence of something when you don't know what you're looking for and there is c*** all over the place is much much harder.
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speculatrix Mar 31, 2026 +2
Interesting, thanks
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julie78787 Mar 31, 2026 +13
That article doesn’t say anything about the scan itself. The read length and depth make a huge difference, especially if you’re trying to compare what should be identical DNA.
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aliclubb Mar 31, 2026 +22
I read this as deep full gnome sequencing…
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julie78787 Mar 31, 2026 +9
Does the father live in a garden under a tree?
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Consistent-Throat130 Mar 31, 2026 +35
See this just reads like a genetic skill issue on the (potential) deadbeat's part.  A true genetic clone bypasses the detectable coarse life cycle splits between the two organisms' DNAs. 
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theshamewizard Mar 31, 2026 +149
I’m confused. Was one twin put on the birth certificate and then later the other twin wanted to be the legal father? Wtf did I just read.
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ithinkitslupis Mar 31, 2026 +177
Yes, seems like it. Twin A on the birth certificate still wants parental rights. Twin B + Mom want sole rights for themselves. Judge ruled paternity is inconclusive so Twin A doesn't have parental rights from that but the lower courts get to decide whether Twin A, Twin B, Both, or Neither deserve rights based on merit/child's best interest.
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[deleted] Mar 31, 2026 +235
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atomicskiracer Mar 31, 2026 +51
Get Maury on the phone stat.
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Digifiend84 Mar 31, 2026 +5
Yeah. But Jeremy Kyle is no longer on air.
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Atharaphelun Mar 31, 2026 +2
*Come Dine With Me*
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theshamewizard Mar 31, 2026 +27
How is “neither twin” an option if definitely one twin is the father 🤦‍♀️
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Exovian Mar 31, 2026 +39
Can you prove that twin A is the father? No. Can you prove that twin B is the father? Also no. The "neither" option isn't saying that neither of the twins is biologically the father, it's saying that neither can be legally proven to be the father.
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rysto32 Mar 31, 2026 +16
If both twins agree when the judge suggests cutting the kid lengthwise and giving each of them half of him, then neither gets parental rights. 
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AdHoc_ttv Mar 31, 2026 +31
The Wisdom of Solomon: if you guys can't work it out, neither one of you get the kid
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Traditional_Bug_2046 Mar 31, 2026 +3
Neither is the option based on merit/best interest of the child
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solidgun1 Mar 31, 2026 +100
I really hope that kid grows up okay.
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gemekaa Mar 31, 2026 +33
Doesn't seem that the odds are in the kids favour with this family.
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SoloWingPixy88 Mar 31, 2026 +15
Basically 2 dads and 2 that actually want to be dads. 2 more than I had.
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TheNorbster Mar 31, 2026 +27
I Actually have an adopted relative like this. The biomum get can’t tell which of two brothers the dad is, so she’s either full sister or half sister to her biosister (and were adopted into my family 3yrs apart, the agency asked if their adoptive mom would be willing to keep the girls together)
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TheBalrogofMelkor Mar 31, 2026 +3
More like full sister or 3/4s sister. Split the difference and assume they are 7/8ths sisters
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alangcarter Mar 31, 2026 +8
So there's a responsible twin the mother wants to stay with, and an irresponsible twin on the birth certificate. Its like when Kirk was split into his good and evil halves... as your dad. Lets hope this child recognizes the genome can support a wide range of behaviours and chooses their own way. It might be liberating. Kate Bush has not been seen for years because she too was in a transporter accident. Her Irish half performs as Bambi Thug, her English half phones in to Womens' Hour to assure us its all very silly.
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JeanneMPod Mar 31, 2026 +1
Being an Americian of generation X, where knowing & appreciating Kate Bush was a point of semi self congratulatory good taste pride in my youth -in context of what was popular at the time. The Bambi Thug reference flew over my head but I’m going to look her up tonight. From the image search she looks like if Kate, Gaga, and the chick from The Ring had a witchy sex ritual and Thug was their offspring.
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LibrariansQuest Mar 31, 2026 +4
It's the classic Schrodinger's Baby conundrum! 
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scrndude Mar 31, 2026 +5
Can’t they just split the child in half and see which twin protests?
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robustofilth Mar 31, 2026 +15
So which twin was the better shag?
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Twodogsonecouch Mar 31, 2026 +10
I bet it was probably the one on the birth certificate but then later she decided that was a bad reason to choose a father and wanted it changed. Also theres the whole thing that there is a test to find out but its too expensive? Why do i feel like the court order should be they have to pay for the test or they are both responsible to child support.
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robustofilth Mar 31, 2026 +11
Christmas will be fun in that family
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Twodogsonecouch Mar 31, 2026 +14
Ya i mean think about the possibilities of how this happened - the twins tricked her, but now some how the twins are against each other - she tricked the twins, but now somehow the twins are against each other - everyone knew and having a grand old time but now she and one of the twins turned against the other There isn’t really a “good possibility” in there anywhere
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Traditional_Bug_2046 Mar 31, 2026 +9
There's also just she and twin B cheated (her and one twin together against the other, and only one twin was tricked)
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cutetys Mar 31, 2026 +4
Option 5, there was no cheating, she got with twin B at a later date but she doesn’t want twin A to have legal rights to the child so she and twin B claimed retroactive cheating so that twin B could claim paternity. I’m starting to stretch the bounds of believability here but gosh wouldn’t it make things interesting?
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EverWatcher Mar 31, 2026 +2
That seems like a great summary.
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sexaddic Mar 31, 2026 +4
Should force them both to pay 3/4 of the usual child support.
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Silver_buttafly Mar 31, 2026 +1
I feel like a visit to Maury could solve this?
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Smacktardius Apr 1, 2026 -2
Women and their whoring.
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nativeyeast Mar 31, 2026 +1
Why aren’t they looking at epigenetic methylation and acetylation of their genome as markers? This would take a nerd a week to do - tops.
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Skipping_Shadow Mar 31, 2026 -32
What if the child were chimeric and literally a child of both men?
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Aggressive_Sky8492 Mar 31, 2026 +25
I don’t think that’s possible within our current understanding of genetics. Chimeras usually have two sets of DNA because one child absorbed the other (its twin) in the womb. Both twins still have the same two parents though.
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Skipping_Shadow Mar 31, 2026 -13
Women have had twins with different fathers.
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dyedinthewoolScot Mar 31, 2026 +21
That’s generally from two separate eggs and two separate fathers with different DNA so the twins would not be identical
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Skipping_Shadow Mar 31, 2026 -7
You mean they have to be monozygotic twins not fraternal?
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CranberryStandard170 Mar 31, 2026 +8
Fraternal. That's why the the 2 sets of DNA are distinguishable from each other.
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JeanneMPod Mar 31, 2026 +2
removed one downvote for the sheer wtf fun of that
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Skipping_Shadow Mar 31, 2026 +3
Thanks and I mean and what's not fun about contemplating human chimeras?
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Svennis79 Mar 31, 2026 +2
It's a shame it didn't come out with a plot twist, it was neither of them.. Or she isn't the mother, and it was a mix up at birth by the hospital.
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Skipping_Shadow Mar 31, 2026
I was thinking more theoretically, not this case specifically.
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