We have this problem in Australia. So much renewables that the wholesale price goes negative. The government is offering 3 hours of free power to try drive up demand.
Dont think thats a negative. Its great.
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AusToddles5 days ago
+22
Irony is that I'm getting a solar battery installed tomorrow and because I couldn't extend my current solar panel layout, I'll probably end up using that 3 hours of free power to charge the battery up
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aghastamok5 days ago
+16
We have a similar renewables problem in Sweden, specifically in SE3 power region.
I got a solar array, electric car and static battery installed last year, and I am very pleased to be able to take advantage of negative rates. Next month my bill will be around $40, which is more or less the minimum.. watching oil prices soar while I charge my car for free is so satisfying.
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Fywq5 days ago
+7
Same in Denmark. Charging the battery with our own solar or even super c**** windpower at night, to cover for cloudy days. It's awesome.
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Boatster_McBoat5 days ago
+7
Not seeing how that is a problem. You are making our grid more stable
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VictoryVino5 days ago
+2
As renewables expand and these free hours continue, in all likelihood, wouldn't it be prudent to have large battery banks with fast charging capabilities? You could basically run everything for free with the right setup, without the solar.
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dickybeau014 days ago
+1
North of England has just seen a new mass battery storage site open. These are springing up all over the uk grid
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AccordingInsect34815 days ago
+1
I was being facetious.
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Absolutedisgrace5 days ago
+3
Yes i know. I was adding to your sentiment with whats happening over here. I also wanted other readers to understand its good, which my reply could have given the wrong impression
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AccordingInsect34815 days ago
+1
Cool. Too bad our President Pedofiles in the US only thinks in terms of whatever the hell goes on in his big, dumb head.
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Rectilinear_Phase95 days ago
+6
If we were still a nation driven by proper engineers with a plan, as opposed to a nation of squabbling politicians and short term pannicky economists / investors gambling on micro-movements in the stock market, we would use the excess power in the summer to make hydrogen and then burn that in the winter to make up the power deficit on a cloudy, windless day. Hydrogen is a bit tricky to store, but not impossible. Ask the process engineers ... oh dear ... we failed to educate any. Oooopsie.
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Accurate_Might_34305 days ago
+4
I fail to see how any of that would improve cost savings in the next quarter.
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Rectilinear_Phase95 days ago
+3
Short-termism has driven us into a corner on so many national-scale issues. Fortunately, the electrical power industry has been allowed / is forced to think long-term. I do not know how much money goes offshore and how much tax the UK loses due to the large proportion of the generating capacity which is owned by offshore interests but I would guess that it is significant.
I am investing my own pension / savings into solar and batteries for my house right now, and heat pumps later (if I can still afford it), not as a personal investment but to assist the UK to become more resilient. That should contribute, in the long term, to allowing a disconnect of electricity prices from the price of gas (once gas-derived power generation is almost irrelevant in the UK) and thus reduce the cost to UK users.
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AccordingInsect34815 days ago
+3
We could be doing many amazing and wonderful things, but, alas, blowing each other to bits is the best that humanity can manage.
I await the Great Asteroid to cleanse humanity of its sins.
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Accurate_Might_34304 days ago
+3
An extinction-level asteroid would push interest rates through the roof so I won’t be voting for that
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-Ikosan-5 days ago
+5
Nice to see the hidden hand of the market lowering the cost of...wait what do you mean my bills arnt going down?
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potato_face12345 days ago
+8
Perhaps if they made it cheaper and not the most expensive in the world (most people are not on a tariff that gives them free electricity). Let's see what happens in the winter when we really need the energy.
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Bad_Day_Moose5 days ago
+31
Lower the price and people will use it, or better yet make free hours and people will start mining bitcoin at that time.
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KetracelYellow5 days ago
+25
We do get hours of free electricity when there’s too much solar and wind.
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Chaoslava5 days ago
+8
Only on certain tariffs.
We have wide uptake of smart meters. Anyone with a smart meter should be getting free energy at peak times to prevent curtailment of renewable energy.
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thewheelsgoround5 days ago
+15
That's exactly what they're doing.
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Submitten5 days ago
+10
That’s what they’re doing in the 2nd paragraph in the article…
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shasaferaska5 days ago
+3
The problem isnt too much electricity. The point is that they don't want the price to reach zero or go negative. They want to make money. If demand is low and supply is high they don't make much money.
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Imbendo5 days ago
It’s called living with your parents. We’ve all had about 17 years of free power.
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TessaKatharine5 days ago
-5
I think it's just unethical/morally wrong for parents to charge rent, unless they are VERY hard-up. Parents should not, as some apparently do, use rent as a bloody moralistic object lesson about being an adult or whatever (The Guardian has done article(s) about that). If they want to make a point, just talk to your children. Most British children now need EVERY single penny if they want a mortgage deposit, parents who don't need to should not drain one bit of that! If they do charge rent, the power isn't exactly free.
Anyway, weird article title. Seems a bit misleading, deliberately? Since the article really seems to be about running high power appliances at the optimum hours for renewables. You'd think The Guardian is above bloody clickbait tactics, but IMO they've gone downhill, so who knows?
I thought at first it was an April fool. You'd think the Iran war would mean only calls to use less power, renewable or not. I thought that is what a lot of the IMO all too often bloody eco-zealot woke brigade wanted anyway, always use less power, absolutely no matter what. I'm a human induced climate change skeptic, natural climate change may be a thing! The world absolutely needs a SLOW decades-long transition to mostly only
renewables, but some of the necessary tech just isn't there yet, is it?
And even in the UK, renewables are NEVER always going to work 365 days a year, are they, for obvious reasons? Stupid to think no fossil fuel backup will not always be needed, not that the article touches on that. If only we could get viable nuclear fusion, though who knows what the eco-zealots would say about that? F*** knows if/when the apparently partly crumbling/outdated and/or otherwise inadequate UK electricity grid, will be upgraded as much as it urgently needs to be.
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SeiriusPolaris5 days ago
+2
I think you’re projecting.
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Imbendo4 days ago
+1
Renewables could always be supplemented by nuclear power. While nuclear isn't technically "renewable," it is a clean low carbon option that supplies electricity 24/7. Gas, oil, and coal powered electricity plants will be practically non-existent at some point in the future purely for cost/availability reasons if nothing else.
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Much-Artichoke-4765 days ago
Some tariffs pay you to use power where there is too much generation and when there isn't enough you get paid a premium to export power if you have a battery.
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skibbin5 days ago
+9
Sell it to countries that have Air Conditioning?
It feels like having energy storage capacity is going to be as lucrative as having generation capacity.
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BigPickleKAM5 days ago
+8
You need interconnections and there are physical limits to the amount of power you can transmit down a line.
Also England being famously a island it's not as easy to add cabling. The English Channel is already lousy with cables!
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skibbin5 days ago
+10
Ah yes, the island of England. The UK currently imports 14% of its energy, so the UK and Europe are already linked with many power cables.
* [HVDC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Cross-Channel)
* [IFA-2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFA-2)
* [ElecLink](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElecLink)
* [BritNed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BritNed)
* [Nemo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemo_Link)
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in_no1canhearyoumeme5 days ago
+2
Impossible to execute, but wouldn't it be great if the low or no cost excess energy was made available to the YIMBY's (who are supporting the build out of wind, solar, hydro, nuclear etc.) before everyone else.
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Aromatic_Lychee76894 days ago
+1
Isn' t in a way...wasting of ' saved energy' by asking residents to use more 🤔
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Hairy_Addendum77894 days ago
+1
Weren’t they telling us to prepare for blackouts not too long ago? It’s hard to keep up with the daily drama! Which crisis will it be today? Let’s spin the wheel and find out!
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The_Blonde14 days ago
+1
This weekend, I’ll be on my 3rd consecutive Sunday of 16 hours free electricity.
Come round, bring your ironing.
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FillingTheHoles2 days ago
+1
What supplier are you with? 👀
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mydadisyourdad24 days ago
+1
Or just use the surplus to lower prices for everyone?? There are people who can’t afford to heat their homes in the winter, but we’re being told to use more to prevent plentiful renewables from lowering soaring prices of dirty fuels and keeping private companies coffers stuffed. What a world we live in.
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BarryRightWrong4 days ago
+1
Eventually it's just going to be made illegal to not spend every last penny you earn on subscriptions and other c***. Someone being denied a profit will be the ultimate sin.
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vaguelypurple5 days ago
+16
Not really we have the most expensive energy bills in the world because each unit of energy is tied to the cost of gas (regardless of whether it's renewable or not). Until the gov changes this they are essentially just asking people to spend more money and make more profit for the energy companies because they haven't invested in the energy storage infrastructure.
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ProtoplanetaryNebula5 days ago
+3
Even if it's still tied to gas, the prices will drop a lot in the coming few years due to the sheer amount of renewables and storage coming online. Pumped storage is going to take off in a massive way, there are something like 15 massive projects in the works that can storge tens of gigawatts of power.
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potato_face12345 days ago
+2
I think you mean decades not years.
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ProtoplanetaryNebula5 days ago
+5
No, I meant years, as in the next 5 years. Enormous amounts of renewables will come online and pumped projects like the massive Coire Glas pumped storage site will come online by 2031.
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HopefulGuy1235 days ago
+3
We don't have the most expensive energy bills in Europe for domestic customers as that mantle has now been taken by Germany due to the huge investment in renewables here.
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potato_face12345 days ago
-2
Wow, what a win, the second most expensive, I can't handle all this winning. I might buy a couple of yachts.
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HopefulGuy1235 days ago
+5
If you cannot see it as an improvement I pity you.
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potato_face12345 days ago
-1
and I pity you, we need cheaper energy for both the consumer and industry.
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HopefulGuy1235 days ago
+1
Then we need to accelerate renewable construction.
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The_Artist_Who_Mines5 days ago
+1
great to see <3
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potato_face12345 days ago
-1
I am celebrating having the most expensive energy in the world and can't wait for the coming winter with potential gas shortages and massive price increases.
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SportsterDriver4 days ago
sure, at the insane prices they charge - record profits ahead…
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