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U.K. midwife facing deportation from B.C. after work permit denied over English test

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https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2026/03/21/bc-uk-midwife-work-permit-denied-english-test/

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notacreepernomo13 Mar 22, 2026 +790
Im in Quebec and I had a recent employee originally from France denied a PR decision or open work permit because he didnt submit proof he speaks French..
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kawaii22 Mar 22, 2026 +296
While this lady didn't upload her results, currently there's a mass system error not recognizing people's language results attachment. I've had a bunch of people recently rejected because of this that had to resubmit their results via webforms. At least it looks like they're getting approved in very short times because IRCC is aware of this issue. If you go in person you don't even have to say why you're there and they'll already know you're part of the mass mistake. Still people impacted by this have to stop working until their permit is approved, and it's not like IRCC cares to compensate them in any way.
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buzzsawjoe Mar 23, 2026 +9
The US IRS has a similar problem. I was required to submit a document. The instructions said I could mail it in, email it, or submit it via the website. I did option 3. Then there was a message berating me for doing that. With no way to ask questions or clarify. Just "you're a bad person for doing this." It was right after Trumpie and his buddy Elonie fired a lot of people in federal agencies. I wonder what will happen this year.
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LittleGreenSoldier Mar 22, 2026 +151
To be fair, they speak a different kind of French. I rolled up in Paris speaking Quebecois and got told I sounded like a farmer and an 18th century pirate had a teleporter accident.
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Angelofpity Mar 22, 2026 +98
You already said you were Quebecois. They already knew you were Quebecois. Did they really need to tell you you sounded authentically Quebecois as well?
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InfectedByEli Mar 22, 2026 +76
It's funny that you think the French would miss an opportunity to make themselves feel superior.
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synaesthezia Mar 22, 2026 +40
lol I’m Australian, used to work in IT with a French project manager and two Quebecois consultants. I’d practice my French with the consultants, and one day the project manager overheard us. She said loudly not to waste my time speaking French with them. It would ruin my Parisian accent because they speak like 18th century peasants. They just laughed and said they were used to it, but I was appalled.
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citypainter Mar 22, 2026 +19
As an anglophone with only a bit of grade school French, I often wonder: is the Quebecois accent more difficult for a person from France to understand than, say, a Scottish brogue to your typical American or Canadian English-speaker? Or is this just the French playing to stereotype and being snooty about a minor difference?
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Gareth79 Mar 22, 2026 +14
A Quebecois told me that when he went to France he could understand them fine, but they had great trouble understanding him. I think it's dialect as well as accent, so possibly like listening to a Glaswegian with a strong accent and local dialect.
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half_integer Mar 23, 2026 +6
Supposed to be the same situation with Swiss German. IIRC everything is written identically but the pronunciation is different, but the Swiss know what High German sounds like.
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gbquake Mar 23, 2026 +2
Swiss French is supposed to be pretty localized too. They are good at making neighbor languages their own
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similar_observation Mar 23, 2026 +1
It's the case for rural areas, but the metropolitan French is pretty similar.
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similar_observation Mar 23, 2026 +1
Swiss German may as well be a different language. Same with Swiss Italian.
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will221996 Mar 22, 2026 +19
There's no reason it can't be both. People who exist in an English speaking environment generally are quite used to a wide variety of accents, due to the extremely wide range of native English speaking countries, the huge number of non native speakers and the relative lack of concern governments have for reducing regional accents. Very few people believe there is a single correct way to speak English. Lots of people believe that there is a correct way to speak french, and as a result their "accent muscles" are less developed. I don't speak french really, I can understand a bit between having studied french previously and shared vocabulary with English and Italian. I can't distinguish between a french speaker from France, Belgium or Switzerland, but I can very much distinguish between them and Québécois.
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LittleGreenSoldier Mar 22, 2026 +6
It's both. This is why there's usually separate dubs for French (EU) and French (QC).
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Overwatchingu Mar 23, 2026 +1
There’s also separate language options for Spanish (Spain) and Spanish (Latin America)
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davidmlewisjr Mar 22, 2026 +5
That seems appropriate in so many ways. Basically describes the immigrants who settled Quebec, and their isolation from the motherland.
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Mont-ka Mar 22, 2026 +13
Whenever I've tried to any French person who's been to Canada about this all they offer is that "it's very funny" 
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LittleGreenSoldier Mar 22, 2026 +13
We sound like hillbillies. I actually did a double take once while watching the French horror movie The Swarm, because they use a lot of words and pronunciations we use. Then the daughter character gets made fun of at school for being a hick, and it made some depressing amount of sense.
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buzzsawjoe Mar 23, 2026 +1
If it warn't provincial, it wouldn't be genuine.
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Dry_Meringue_8016 Mar 23, 2026 +2
That's interesting. It is said that while people in the country of origin change or "progress", immigrants that have left and settled elsewhere tend to hold onto more of the old traditions as a way to preserve their cultural identity and remain connected with the home country. I guess this applies to language development too.
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PetalumaPegleg Mar 23, 2026 +1
Parisiennes think the french speak a different version of French tbh.
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edingerc Mar 26, 2026 +1
Americans speaking English in the UK have joined the chat.
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MisledMuffin Mar 22, 2026 +62
And here I've got a young girl been with us for 2 years and she is studying French to try to pass the exam to get enough PR points or she has to leave after the summer. We are losing some good people with the recent immigration changes. No system is perfect.
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Vegeton Mar 22, 2026 +28
Loosely related, but reminds me of a guy I used to work with who moved here from Europe and briefly made the news several years ago. He had to pass a French exam in Quebec to keep living here, and he did pass, *but* during the processing period they pushed a new law that increased the requirements for a passing grade which made him now fail instead and face deportation.
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notacreepernomo13 Mar 22, 2026 +11
F****** Quebec tabarnak
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AdPuzzleheaded1495 Mar 22, 2026 +141
I feel like this is another reason why everyone hates Human Resources.
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notacreepernomo13 Mar 22, 2026 +68
Lol I mean your statement isnt wrong but in this case we are doing everything we can to assist. No HR can be held responsible for a federal decision pertaining to legal work status tho..
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MGM-Wonder Mar 22, 2026 +9
In this situation though it sounds like there is an issue in the system as well since this is happening to qhite a few people.
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one_is_enough Mar 22, 2026 +2
How is that an HR responsibility? It’s the government system causing the problems.
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eldubinoz Mar 22, 2026 +17
How does anything in this case have anything to do with HR?
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AdPuzzleheaded1495 Mar 22, 2026 -34
'Im in Quebec and I had a recent employee originally from France denied a PR decision or open work permit because he didnt submit proof he speaks French..' Proof of speaking French while being from France is a good indicator of lack of follow through. I don't have proof I speak English besides freshman English classes from college, and that doesnt prove I'm fluent.
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eldubinoz Mar 22, 2026 +27
Again, what does HR have to do with this employee submitting or not submitting the right documents to IRCC? And IRCC not approving the application?
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AdPuzzleheaded1495 Mar 22, 2026 -27
Well f*** it looked self explanatory to me, I dunno I guess it doesnt
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kepleronlyknows Mar 22, 2026 +14
Are you confusing an HR department with the Canadian government?
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AdPuzzleheaded1495 Mar 22, 2026 -8
I am very confused and am just going to be quiet now.
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PartyHashbrowns Mar 22, 2026 +3
I think PR = Permanent Resident. In any case, it was referencing a government department not a company one that was not counting being from France as sufficient proof of being able to speak French.
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TheDetailsMatterNow Mar 22, 2026 -7
It looks pretty self-explanatory to me honestly. People just like getting annoyed at things online.
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dowdymeatballs Mar 22, 2026 +12
I'm Irish (English is my first language) and I had to do an English proficient test for my PR. It was just a mandatory requirement in the PR path I took. I did the test, was obviously easy, got my PR. No special treatment.
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buzzsawjoe Mar 23, 2026 +1
I've taken a lot of tests. Sometimes there's a question that's wrong. And there's no way to contest it. They'd give me some test of English proficiency and I'd miss one question and they'd fail me. I'd protest: my answer is correct, the test is wrong. So they'd try to deport me back to my country of origin. The problem there would be, I'm already here! The real problem is, English is chaotic. Pedantic teachers say there are these rules, But there really are no roolz. There are some patterns. Take the word "question". Compare with "luncheon". Why do "ti" and "ch" get the same sound? Or "sound" and "owl". Why, why why was there no one smart enough to guide the process when English spelling was being set it stone?
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GAndroid Mar 22, 2026 +12
Ok this I can understand. "I am from France" is not documentation that you speak french. The rules are the same for everyone and you cannot bend them based on country of birth. You need that documentation because its the rule.
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JimothyBeletta Mar 22, 2026 +6
Yeah. My dad was born in Canada but grandparents were fresh off the boat and only spoke Italian at home. When he went to school he was ESL. Pissed me off more that my parents never taught me because they felt they didn’t know it well enough. But their Italian is probably what Quebecois is like to the French. lol
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Bagellord Mar 22, 2026 +3
I am kinda curious what kind of proof is required? Especially if it's a first language (presumably it's his first language, given the context of your comment)
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good_cunt Mar 22, 2026 +3
Generally the proof will be in the form of an assessment by an external organisation, for example IELTS is an organisation used to test and record proof of English proficiency when applying to work or study in Canada. No matter if your entire education and working life prior to this was in an English speaking country.
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samstown23 Mar 22, 2026 +2
That seems unnecessarily complex. You would expect that something like a school or university diploma would be sufficient proof of the necessary language skills.
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goinghistory Mar 22, 2026 +2
Never mind complex, it's also pretty expensive.
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palcatraz Mar 22, 2026 +2
I'd argue it is the opposite of complex. Requiring the results of a singular test for every application is pretty much the most basic one size fits all model. Now, you can argue that maybe there should be room for exceptions (and there are good arguments to be made in either direction), but that would actually be moving to a more complex system.
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penguinopph Mar 22, 2026 +2
As a high school English teacher in America, I do wonder how many Americans could pass a proof of proficiency test.
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good_cunt Mar 22, 2026 +1
I wonder the same about my people too (UK). The logic is that this keeps entry to Canada a level playing field, and native english speakers won't have an immediate edge over other (potentially more qualified) migrants or job candidates.
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jdm1891 Mar 22, 2026 +4
That's stupid... sharing a native language _does_ make you more able to do your job and thus more qualified, and it's ridiculous to pretend said edge doesn't exist to make it "fairer"
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alleyalleyjude Mar 22, 2026 +3
Since I came from an English speaking country I just had to submit a copy of my high school or university diploma. People can also take a test to show proficiency.
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WeiGuy Mar 22, 2026 +2
That seems like his problem and an easy one to fix. The government isn't going to make a blanket "you come from this country, therefore you know X language" policy.
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StacyChadBecky Mar 22, 2026
I think the Quebecois need to submit proof they speak French.
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nonoiseplz Mar 23, 2026
I’ve spoken with people who came to the US from France, speaks poor English, requested an interpreter, but didn’t speak French well enough for the French interpreter to understand what they wanted. Ironically, it’s usually people who came from France, claim it as their preferable language, but can barely speak French. If the BC requires people from France to show documentation that they can speak French, I completely understand why.
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CumboxMold Mar 22, 2026 +356
Even though I was born in the US, my first language is Spanish. Lived in Mexico as a toddler and visited at least twice a year until I started college. At one of my previous jobs, I had to speak Spanish every day because we had a lot of customers who did not speak any English at all; about two years in, this job offered employees a chance to get a language badge added to our name tags. My direct managers encouraged me to apply and signed off on it, only to be denied by upper management because I had no proof that I spoke Spanish, and even told in the denial email to "only speak English from now on to avoid confusion". Other native Spanish speakers were just given their badges, while I was asked to submit evidence that I took at least a college-level Spanish course. A different job just gave me the language tag when I asked for one even though company policy also said I needed to submit proof/take a test, because "your real test would be when a customer speaks Spanish to you because of the badge, and you answer correctly and don't look like a fool".
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apk5005 Mar 22, 2026 +100
I took Spanish 1 in college. Am I fluent now?
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turalyawn Mar 22, 2026 +66
Is your name Peggy Hill? Because then the answer is see (that’s yes in Mexican btw)
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24-Hour-Hate Mar 22, 2026 +15
I mean, I took French from Grade 1-9. I do not really speak French….
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TheSaltyAstronaut Mar 22, 2026 +2
Moi aussi. (And thus concludes the french I've retained.)
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_head_ Mar 23, 2026 +2
Ça va? Ça va.
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DickInYourCobbSalad Mar 22, 2026 +29
¿Dónde está la biblioteca? Me llamo T-Bone, la araña discoteca!
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IANALbutIAMAcat Mar 22, 2026 +30
I have a minor in it and I can’t speak Spanish. I think I topped out at around a 5th grade level of writing fluency and maybe 2nd grade level of speaking, and my last Spanish class was in 2014. I attempted to communicate with a delivery driver last week who only speaks Spanish… I have no idea how much he understood me but walking away from the convo I immediately realized how many mistakes I’d made haha. Technically sounds like I could get the badge though lol
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CumboxMold Mar 22, 2026 +8
The funny part is that the one language course I took in college was Mandarin. Not only did we have very few Mandarin speakers come through, I could have never in a million years held a conversation in it. But I guess since I took a college-level course, that meant the requirement was fulfilled and counted more than growing up in a Spanish-speaking family.
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Unumbotte Mar 22, 2026 +3
You mean Spanish Uno?
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moutonbleu Mar 22, 2026 +3
See senor
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kaisadilla_ Mar 22, 2026 +22
> while I was asked to submit evidence that I took at least a college-level Spanish course. This one is just absurd. A lot of people can speak languages (other than their L1) without any formal education into it. Assuming someone who speaks a foreign language has taken courses for it is outright stupid.
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ComradeGibbon Mar 23, 2026 +1
My ex brother in law speaks spanish because he put himself through school working as a plumber.
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kaisadilla_ Mar 23, 2026 +1
I didn't say nobody has ever taken courses to learn a language.
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DrDalekFortyTwo Mar 22, 2026 +26
How are they defining native language? If your first language was Spanish, why would that not be your native language? This is a not uncommon scenario in the US. I have a friend who was born in the US, first language was Spanish and was fully fluently bilingual as a child as I suspect is the case for you.
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CumboxMold Mar 22, 2026 +27
That was exactly the case for me. I don't remember how you could prove you were a native speaker, but pretty much everyone I worked with knew I was one. My main issue is "not looking like a Latina", whatever the hell that means; people assumed I was Asian as a child, and as an adult they assume I am fully Black or mixed. I've been gatekept from Latino spaces in the US ever since I was a child because of it, and just last week I got the "Your Spanish is s*o good for an American!*" comment from a recent Mexican immigrant. Yes, we were having this conversation in Spanish, and I have the accents in both English and Spanish that prove my exact cultural/geographic background. As many things are in the US regarding race, it came down to ignorance.
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CombatMuffin Mar 22, 2026 +4
Don't be discouraged though. Even Latin Americans will have *some* preconceived notions of who looks native and who doesn't. I am a Mexican born, with mixed ethnicities, and if I spoke English here in Mexico I could pass off as a foreigner to them. It doesn't mean they are ignorant, it's just more likely that I *am* a foreigner at a first glance. The U.S. is particularly tricky, especially in locations with less ethnical diversity. In my experience, someone in New York made less assumptions than someone in, say,  Nebraska. This only gets more complicated when you add corporate bureaucracie to the mix, and a zest of laziness from them.
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No-Diet4823 Mar 22, 2026 +2
I've also been told that before by Mexicans from Mexico and other Latinos, often because they assume we just only speak English or they've only met English speaking only Latinos while being here and that's becoming more common over the years.
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PensandoEnTea Mar 22, 2026 +2
Malicious compliance it is then
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CumboxMold Mar 22, 2026 +2
I loved that job at the time and would have never done anything to put myself in danger of losing it, plus I really wanted to get promoted, so that never crossed my mind. I think the next customer right after I got the message that I should only speak English was, you guessed it, a Spanish speaker. Management even watched with a smile, I guess that was their malicious compliance for the day. Being much older now, completely out of that industry, and with an extremely unjustified firing that proved to me that even passive loyalty to a company is giving them too much credit, I would definitely go with malicious compliance for myself and refuse to speak anything other than English from that moment on.
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Grizzly1986 Mar 22, 2026 +1
Honestly would have called them up and chewed them out in Spanish
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TyrosineJim Mar 23, 2026 +1
🎵Mexican American.... love education... so they go to night school... and they take Spanish and get a B🎵
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Couchman79 Mar 22, 2026 +24
It's not as simple as just asking questions especially when trying to find a REAL PERSON in IRCC administration to explain where to find clear directions to upload. The language requirement is a valid however I would like to see the same IT people who designed the form find and complete the online upload then decide how "easy" the application upload is as claimed.
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formerlyanonymous_ Mar 22, 2026 +448
Took a required test, couldn't find a place to upload it so ignored it. Didn't ask questions.
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myturn19 Mar 22, 2026 +103
Maybe if I ignore it, it’ll just disappear!
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VogonSoup Mar 22, 2026 +36
Maybe if they want it. There’ll be a way to let them have it?
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fufluns12 Mar 22, 2026 +42
Clearly there was a way, or else everyone else would have had their applications rejected. Having said that, if you look at the screenshot on the website, it doesn't seem like something that is glaringly obvious, and they also blamed the test not being on the list of requirements on 'limitations,' which is pretty baffling. The common sense solution (besides the obvious fixing the website) would be to allow minor bureaucratic errors like this to be corrected before the application is rejected. Your MP can step in if you are facing a brick wall with a government department as well.
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br0ck Mar 22, 2026 +33
Also FTA the disclaimer was only added in December so she had no way to even know she had to do it at the time she submitted.
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kawaii22 Mar 22, 2026 +12
Yeah, the way was uploading it in a section that was not meant for it, and was actually meant to upload other things. Meaning those that needed to use that section had to use PDF editors to add the English test to whatever other document they were attaching. No official source would tell you about any of this.
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Barbarake Mar 22, 2026 +8
A bunch of people DID have their applications rejected.
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fufluns12 Mar 22, 2026 +3
The article says that others have had the same problem, although it doesn't do a good job of quantifying it. However, I doubt the number is extremely high since this is something that every applicant has to do, and we don't have hundreds of thousands of people complaining about it. The article mentions 'scores' of people. It's still a ridiculous problem and what happened to her seems like the worst way of 'resolving' it.
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ComradeGibbon Mar 23, 2026 +1
The best way is rules that they are required to fix problems with applications before they can approve any applications. And make burden of proof on the bureaucracy.
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spleeble Mar 22, 2026 +17
"You made a mistake?? You're deported!"
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poufro Mar 22, 2026 -9
Unless you commit immigration fraud and are caught, then you get to stay and sue Canada. Source: CBC https://share.google/yoNUtSE5V0aT7rk9a
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spleeble Mar 22, 2026 +1
The government doesn't get to cover up egregious misconduct and abuse of power by deporting people.  You think the problem in that case is that he wasn't deported??
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poufro Mar 22, 2026 +1
😂. Yea, the guy on the phone from India with no intention to return to Canada admitted he’s the mastermind. That’s very credible.
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spleeble Mar 22, 2026 -1
A judge said the CBSA' conduct "offends society’s sense of fair play and decency." Do you find that credible?
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poufro Mar 22, 2026 +2
I think being caught committing immigration fraud and then being allowed to stay offends society’s sense of fair play and decency.
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spleeble Mar 22, 2026
It's not a little league game, it's an abuse of power by a government agency. 
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poufro Mar 23, 2026
You’re right. It’s not a little league game. It’s the big leagues of fraud and the fact that a non-citizen can commit immigration fraud and then be allowed to stay and sue the government is a telling sign of everything that’s wrong with Canada. If you knew anything about the culture of where the fraudster is from, then you’d know that the approach is “if you follow the law, you’re stupid”. I hope you live in Canada. Enjoy
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spleeble Mar 23, 2026 +1
You think the government should be allowed to abuse its power and commit gross misconduct against people as long as they aren't citizens? Edit: I suspected you were being racist as well, thanks for confirming it. 
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gigalbytegal Mar 22, 2026 -6
Additionally, the article notes "denied applicants can apply for reconsideration" but she says she can't afford to wait for that. So there is a resolution process but she doesn't like it. If it's not fast enough, then maybe go to your local MP to get things sped up instead of the media.
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spleeble Mar 22, 2026 +9
Yes, like most people she needs to work in order to live and can't afford not to work while waiting for a bureaucratic resolution. 
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cantkeepmum Mar 22, 2026 -127
Yeah (sarcasm).. Lets blame it on the applicant, when IRCC usually gets back asking for anything that they need more explanation.
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Dont_touch_my_spunk Mar 22, 2026 +83
If thousands of immigrants coming here are able to do it, why can't she?
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Shinjischneider Mar 22, 2026 +23
If you can't navigate your system properly without a highly qualified lawyer, your system sucks
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ACertainThickness Mar 22, 2026 +5
Filling out the proper forms is gaming the system?
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Gimmetheloo Mar 22, 2026 -17
Because she didn’t hiring an immigration consultant.
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McHoagie86 Mar 22, 2026 +59
As a fellow Permanent Resident, the requirements for a language exams are pretty cut and dry. It's still on her.
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Sarothias Mar 22, 2026 +26
Please. Sometimes it is the individuals fault and on them. She saw she couldn’t upload her test yet didn’t reach out to someone for further instruction? Quit trying to place blame away from the individuals when it is legit their fault.
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surrounded-by-morons Mar 22, 2026 +3
Yes the blame is on her for not reaching out and asking how to get the required paperwork to them. Why in the world would a person let the fate of their immigration status be someone else’s responsibility? A phone call, email,or letter could’ve resolved this issue before it got to this point.
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cantkeepmum Mar 23, 2026 +1
The system is not so easy to navigate, unless you hire a consultant to do it for you. And IRCC usually gets back to you if they think something is missing. And I am talking about org like IRCC and ESDC who approves fake LMIA application/applicant
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GodAtum Mar 22, 2026 -4
I agree with you. I have no sympathy for her at all
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formerlyanonymous_ Mar 22, 2026 +18
I didn't provide judgement in explanation. But offered detail missing from the headline that provides context. It's important context that this is an error on her side. If you want to judge my opinion, appeals for this sort of thing are reasonable. I wish her good luck. Paperwork for immigration is generally not cut and dry, and while IRCC provides great general guides, I find them still difficult to get perfect.
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Anary8686 Mar 22, 2026 +107
Just like when immigrants from France fail the Quebec French language test. Those stories are always amusing.
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flightless_mouse Mar 22, 2026 +27
They would probably fail a French equivalent test too, tbh. Just because someone is emigrating from France doesn’t mean they have a solid education in French from early childhood, or know how to take structured tests. Of course there are other reasons…but this is one.
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Anary8686 Mar 22, 2026 +11
I just remembered that the story I was thinking of wasn't because she failed her test. But, because she wrote one chapter of her PhD thesis in English she failed to prove that she was proficient in French. https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/french-student-denied-quebec-residency-over-language-proficiency-gets-selection-certificate/ There are probably other ones too.
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flightless_mouse Mar 22, 2026 +1
Ah yes, I remember that one now! Classic.
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RoseyOneOne Mar 22, 2026 +45
This is like getting a ticket for running a red light and you go 'there was no red light' and they go 'there's supposed to be one'.
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yourlocaltouya Mar 22, 2026 +6
That's the perfect analogy here, good thinking!
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MoreGaghPlease Mar 22, 2026 +23
A family friend is a nurse. She had been working as a labour and delivery nurse in a large university hospital in California. Moved to Ontario in the middle of COVID when we had a huge shortage of nurses and it took almost 2 years for her to get accreditation. The biggest delay was the English test, even though English is the only language she speaks and her university degree is from the US. She could have been working in a hospital in a time we needed her most but instead stupid rules meant the best job she could get was as an unlicensed aide in a doctor’s office.
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dogfaced_pony_soulja Mar 22, 2026 +7
I’m a US-Australian dual citizen and also an RN, and when I got licensed as an RN in Australia a few years back using my US education and credentials, they gave a couple options to prove English language proficiency. Because I was educated in a country deemed by AHPRA to be predominantly English-speaking, I was able to provide my educational records from primary and secondary school, and IIRC a short letter from the schools certifying that I was primarily taught in English except for foreign language courses. It was a bit of a pain (just from the standpoint of waiting for the documentation, transcripts, etc.) but not that hard, and it avoided all of this type of nonsense, wasting time and money on a test, etc.
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WOMT Mar 23, 2026 +1
Australia still requires evidence of a standard of English for most visas. We recognise certain countries as being majority English, and that gets you rated as "competent" if you use their passport. If you need a higher rating, you'll have to take a test anyway and achieve the required score. Higher scores will also improve your odds of getting visas because of the points system. So if you weren't an Australian citizen, and you were coming on a points based visa, the US passport would get you rated as "competent", but you would still probably take the test to increase your points. For AHPRA the English proficiency applies to everyone, not just those immigrating. That's why there are more pathways to provide evidence of English proficiency. So yea, we still have the tests for immigration itself and many people take them because of the point based system. You also wouldn't be able to use what you used with AHPRA with getting a visa, it's either a passport from the UK, US, Ireland, Canada, NZ, or the test.
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Tobias---Funke Mar 22, 2026 +58
Clickbait title. She didn’t fail the test, she didn’t include it in her application.
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camocondomcommando Mar 22, 2026 +53
It also seems like the way to upload the results wasn't obvious in the application process and a disclaimer explaining the special way to upload the results was added in December, AFTER she had submitted her application.
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WetCoastDebtCoast Mar 22, 2026 +3
This shit is why I paid an immigration consultant to do the application for me rather than navigate government red tape alone.
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surrounded-by-morons Mar 22, 2026 +7
She couldn’t have called or asked for help on how to upload the test? Instead of being proactive she decided to do nothing and is now mad that they didn’t hold her hand through the entire process.
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Moldy_slug Mar 22, 2026 +14
I don’t think it’s crazy to assume that the testing agency would have submitted the results to some database.
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surrounded-by-morons Mar 22, 2026 +3
You could be right and that may be what she assumed but I know that I personally wouldn’t rely on that possibility. Especially when something as important as being allowed to stay in the country relies on it. She knew they needed the results and didn’t see a way to upload them on her application. What should have happened was for her to reach out to someone to confirm that they had the results or a way to send them over.
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bossy4000 Mar 22, 2026 +18
There was no way for her to upload.
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thattherebluedress Mar 22, 2026 +5
I’m a Canadian citizen and a midwife who trained in NZ but also have a BSc from a Canadian (English) university, ironically with a minor in English Lit. When I came back to Canada I had to write (and pay for) an English language proficiency test. Stupidest hoop ever, but I did it!
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Uncle_Bill Mar 22, 2026 +5
Two peoples separated by a common language.
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mosi_moose Mar 22, 2026 +7
3 years of high school Spanish. A Mexican border collie understands more Spanish than I do. I speak American with Spanish words, mainly nouns and infinitives. But I try. Lo siento.
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wildemam Mar 22, 2026 +84
So? She failed to complete an application .
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Musicman1972 Mar 22, 2026 +158
>Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada’s (IRCC) “How to Apply” web page for post-graduate work permits now features a disclaimer that explains the special way in which the test must be uploaded, but that disclaimer was only added in December. It wasn't even mentioned when she did it.
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surrounded-by-morons Mar 22, 2026 -4
She knew they needed the results to approve her paperwork. When she couldn’t figure out how to upload the test results she decided to do nothing. She could have called, emailed or maybe even gotten help from people familiar with how the system works. Instead she did nothing and is now mad that she is suffering the consequences of her own inactions.
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CaptainPhukflaps Mar 22, 2026 +2
My interactions with IRCC in the last 16 years have been difficult, to say the least, it's an unforgiving system that is horrifically laid out and poorly sign posted. My most recent encounter was an ETA application which generated issues because apparently I'm still a PR (whole other story). The simple task of addressing my current status within Canada was a challenge, it just isn't clear and the guidance was conflicting. I then had issues with uploading documents and I'm still not sure if I've complied with their requirements. So in summary, I sympathise with this poor lady.
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Rev-Dr-Slimeass Mar 22, 2026 +5
Most visas are designed to allow in people who are particularly good at doing paperwork rather than people who are legitimately skilled. I have applied for visas in multiple countries and it is insane the hoops you jump through. Stacks of documents, many of them repeating information. I think that this sort of paperwork is really just designed to decrease the amount of immigrants, rather than select only immigrants that meet the right requirements.
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senegal98 Mar 22, 2026 +4
You want to get in. The moment they want you in, it will become easy. I know it's a shitty and miope way to see things, but it's clearly how many bureaucrats see the world: Not my problem, no need to simplify things.
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Hipcatjack Mar 22, 2026 +3
she is from the birthplace of the language
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thatgirlnicola Mar 22, 2026 +33
That was my response when I was asked to take an English language test for my American citizenship. He said that he’d be testing me on my ability to read and write in English and I said “….but I’m from England. I’m speaking English to you right now.” All he said was “then you’ll do really well!” and got on with the exam.
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totomaya Mar 22, 2026 +34
I mean, he was doing his job and what he had to do. He was probably used to having this conversation. He has to give the test even if he knows it's stupid or unnecessary, and chances are everyone argues with him about it all the time.
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thatgirlnicola Mar 22, 2026 +10
I know, I didn’t give him any problems about it! I just thought at first maybe he didn’t see the “born in UK” info on my paperwork and was mistakenly bringing me in for the English exam. Once I realized everyone has to take the test regardless of where they’re from then I got on with it!
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totomaya Mar 22, 2026 +1
It's no biggie and I'm sure if you didn't get mad at him it was fine. I am a teacher and am sometimes in a similar position and we get it. You quickly find the easiest thing to say to move things along. Of course since I work with kids I'm like, "That's GREAT! You'll NAIL IT. GG slay king, queen, royal! You will cook and THEN eat and THEN have left zero crumbs" and they're so embarrassed they just beg me to shut up and start the test.
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generalvostok Mar 22, 2026 +20
Tae be fair, the airticle says she taucht in Scotland an keeps ca'in her a UK native. Gin she wis English, I jalouse they wad say sae. Sae her 'English' micht be mair like this nor the staundart.
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Popsiey7 Mar 22, 2026 +2
We got mf shipped in by the crate speaking no English, wtf is this
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Novus20 Mar 22, 2026 +3
Because those crates of people are not working jobs other then uber and tims
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geardownbigrig Mar 24, 2026 +1
Meanwhile that A class driver in the left lane can’t read, speak or understand english and gets to stay
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MentalSky_ Mar 22, 2026 -19
Canadian here  Red tape is our speciality.  We will take someone who claims refugee status with no documentation. We will give them free housing, free food, and free healthcare. We will even give them 2k a month to live.  But if someone from a commonwealth country comes, we scrutinizing WHY do you want to come to Canada 
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McHoagie86 Mar 22, 2026 +23
I'm Canadian Resident originally from Germany. It took me 4 years post getting a Bachelor's degree here to finalize the immigration process. It really isn't that straight forward for most economic migrants.
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Musicman1972 Mar 22, 2026 -15
You wouldn't have been classed as an economic migrant though.
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MeltingMandarins Mar 22, 2026 +18
Of course they’re an economic migrant.   Do you think they’re a refugee?  From Germany?  They mention years taken to migrate *after* getting a degree, so they’re not migrating as a student.  It’s also not years after getting married to a Canadian, so we can probably rule out family migration.   Given all that, and the fact they said they were an economic migrant, you think they are actually a … ???  What?
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McHoagie86 Mar 23, 2026 +1
It's the literal definition on the IRCC website, you clown. Give your head a shake.
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Mgcstck Mar 22, 2026 -5
Do you need help? Are you okay?
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Musicman1972 Mar 22, 2026 +8
Why would they not be? What suggests they need help?
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mobuline Mar 22, 2026 -16
This is ridiculous. Maybe if somone from immigration actually SPOKE to her, they would be able to tell she speaks English. This should be an oral test. She's from the UK, she's called Heather, she obviously speaks English. How many people do we all speak to, probably daily, who don't speak English very well, but have been here for years?!
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TheShishkabob Mar 22, 2026 +16
Why in the actual f*** do you think it's someone else's fault she didn't submit the required paperwork to immigrate to another country?
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mobuline Mar 23, 2026 +1
Settle down there! I don’t blame anyone; I’m saying the process is ridiculous. And she can speak English! She already has a work permit. How hard is it for them to include that information in the process of becoming a PR?
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Zestyclose-Novel1157 Mar 22, 2026 +3
Lmao it reminds me of when I was at Tim Hortons at the drive thru(in fairness it was Quebec but Montreal so…) and the guy basically stopped answering me because he couldn’t understand my order and I don’t speak French well at all. I can say a few words but it isn’t good, especially through a speaker like that.
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surrounded-by-morons Mar 22, 2026
So instead of contacting them about how to get the test results uploaded she decided it didn’t matter? And is now upset she is suffering the consequences of her own actions.
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PensandoEnTea Mar 22, 2026
So you didn't read the article then. Nice.
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SuddenlyBANANAS Mar 22, 2026 +30
No it's because she's from the UK where English is from.
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Lexivy Mar 22, 2026 +15
I think you’re missing the underlying point here. She was denied without being given special treatment because she is white. Applicants who followed the instructions didn’t get denied, regardless of their ethnicity. What happened contradicts the underlying assumptions in your comment.
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zokka_son_of_zokka Mar 23, 2026
I remember a story about a family friend who was applying for work at Government of Canada (don't remember exactly where). Was tested in language proficiencies, because obviously. Failed the French test... *as a native French speaker.* (Necause they don't actually test for fluency, they test for grammatical bullying that no one's used in a hundred years.)
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Stereo_Jungle_Child Mar 22, 2026 -20
Canada deports people? That's not what I've been hearing.
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noseshimself Mar 22, 2026 -15
Congratulations, Canada. You passed the admission test for becoming an EU member. But please keep in mind you still have to pass the language test...
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Briz-TheKiller- Mar 22, 2026 -8
She didn't come via boat, did she ?
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