I hates this new era of paywalls .. I’m going back to paper news.
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klipseracer7 hr ago
+29
The UK has said it will contribute drones, fighter jets and a warship to a joint mission aimed at safeguarding shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.
Defence minister John Healey announced the package at a virtual summit of defence ministers on Tuesday. It includes autonomous systems to detect and clear naval mines, drone boats and Typhoon jets for air patrols.
More than 40 other nations are involved in the mission, which Healey said would begin when conditions allow.
For months Iran has been controlling the Strait of Hormuz - one of the world's busiest oil shipping channels - in retaliation for US and Israeli attacks.
The US, for its part, has been enforcing a blockade of Iranian ports to exert pressure on Tehran to agree to its terms - a move that has infuriated Iran.
Some 20% of the world's oil and liquefied natural gas uses the crucial waterway, whose blockage has sent prices soaring globally.
A ceasefire has been in place between the US and Iran since April, but US President Donald Trump has said it is on "massive life support".
Both sides have accused the other of launching attacks in the strait.
More than 1,000 British personnel are already deployed in the region as part of existing defensive operations, including counter-drone teams and fast jet squadrons, the ministry said.
The Ministry of Defence said the multinational mission - which was announced last month by the UK and France - is strictly defensive and aimed at restoring confidence for commercial shipping along the Strait of Hormuz.
It said the contribution is backed by £115m in new funding for mine-hunting drones and counter-drone systems.
"With our allies, this multinational mission will be defensive, independent, and credible," Healey said in a statement.
Under the plan, HMS Dragon - the air defence destroyer that is already on its way to the Middle East - will also "be ready for any mission" to secure the strait, the MoD said.
It added that another British ship, the RFA Lyme Bay, continues to be upgraded with new equipment, if required for operations in the strait.
EPA Britain's Secretary of State for Defence John Healey arrives at 10 Downing Street for a cabinet meeting, EPA
Healey said the mission would "strengthen the confidence of commercial shipping and reduce the burden of the conflict on people at home"
The announcement comes as Healey offered his support to Sir Keir Starmer, as dozens of Labour MPs called on the prime minister to resign.
In a post on X, Healey said Sir Keir was leading the country through "conflicts and looming global crises".
"More instability is not in Britain's interest. Our full focus now must be on dealing with immediate economic & security challenges," he added.
During a cabinet meeting on Tuesday, Sir Keir did not discuss the calls for him to step aside, but instead focused on the impact of the conflict in the Middle East.
A Downing Street spokesperson said ministers "agreed that number one priority remains getting the Strait of Hormuz open again, so that international shipping can resume".
Sir Keir's position on the conflict has been that the UK will not be "dragged" into it. He has previously said the UK would not support a US blockade of Iranian ports, which is still in place.
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FrogsMakePoorSoup6 hr ago
+29
So both Britain and Australia have quietly committed to this war.
Oh yay.
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Marquesas5 hr ago
+5
I mean that was always the endgame. They couldn't force others to take part in this, but at the end of the day, everyone depends on the oil, and when it starts threatening aviation, the West falls in line one way or the others. In my mind that was never a question - what is more of a question is whether a simultaneous effort is being made to peel off of the oil dependency where it's feasible. I still don't think any of NATO will commit to actual attacks on Iran, but the situation in the strait is messing with everyone's current interests.
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FrogsMakePoorSoup5 hr ago
+3
China is likely to benefit big time with their advanced electro industries. A lot of people are wanting e-vehicles now and that's not slowing down.
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eorlingas_riders6 hr ago
+10
To be fair in 1953 Operation Ajax was a joint operation between the CIA **and** British Intelligence to start a coup to overthrow the democratically elected prime minister.
A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after the prime minister nationalized the country's oil industry.
Who knew the US and UK ending democracy in Iran in 1953 might come back to bite them in the ass…
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Whitehatnetizen5 hr ago
+3
Because the US made the situation worse than it was before the war existed, and doesn't seem to be able to resolve the situation it caused, despite having the world's largest military.
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nerdyPagaman5 hr ago
+1
No. It's defensive only.
I'm good with that so long as they call it "operation clearup" / "operation diaper change" or "operation freeloader".
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FrogsMakePoorSoup5 hr ago
+1
Only defensive, like Iraq and Afghanistan! We're just going along to lend a hand. A short sharp peace operation. Now carry on everyone.
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Captain_Leemu6 hr ago
It may be up to the more level headed to police the strait so that iran can't wage economic war against us all. As usual im praying that this conflict ends quickly and peacefully.
Trump is a f****** idiot
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FrogsMakePoorSoup6 hr ago
+6
Yet another open ended war right when nobody wanted or needed it.
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ComfortableNumb96695 hr ago
+6
"Level headed": yeets itself out of a massive trade economy for no reason.
If the US can't capture the strait then adding a few feet and a ship or 2 from the "the greatest empire on Earth" isn't really going to solve the problem.
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Glasscrystals5 hr ago
+1
I think this is exactly what Trump was aiming for. When the other Western powers refused to support the war, he reacted like a petulant child. “Fine, let’s see how you manage from here.” The attitude clearly is, I won’t help fix the mess if I don’t get my way, and I won’t let anyone live in peace either.
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Furious_Fred7 hr ago
+11
Wait until you find out that you have to pay for that as well :D
Edit:
On the upside you can use newspaper as fire starter or to dry your boots inside.
Go paper!
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Immediate_Quiet43547 hr ago
+10
And clean windows.
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thermitethrowaway6 hr ago
+1
And silver
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Remarkable-Bug-80695 hr ago
+1
And wrap fish...
...ok maybe let's not bring back that one
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Time_Entertainer_3195 hr ago
+3
You do have to buy paper mews though
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MintyFresh6687 hr ago
+3
The BBC has no paywall?
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GigExplorer6 hr ago
Then why can't I read the article without paying for a subscription first? That's the very definition of a paywall.
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NewAccEveryDay420day6 hr ago
+6
Must be regionally gated, I have no paywall in Ireland to Bbc. Courtesy of the british taxpayer
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GigExplorer6 hr ago
+5
Ahhh, that must be it. I'm in the US.
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ScienceWilly3 hr ago
+1
This is strange. I keep seeing US people mention this paywall, but I'm in the US and can read BBC articles without any restrictions, using regular old internet. I wonder why it's blocked for some people but not others.
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electroriverside6 hr ago
+3
There's no BBC paywall for me in Belgium either.
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kungligarojalisten5 hr ago
+3
Neither for Sweden
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Kaiisim5 hr ago
+3
You have to pay for things.
If you don't pay for news, a billionaire pays for it and gives what he wants you to see for free.
I got so pissed off about Amazon or Netflix about something I want to watch and they wanted me to pay $70 for it or $1.99 an episode so I went to the thrift store and bought a bunch of DVDs and it's been working really well actually I kind of enjoy watching DVDs again to see old movies I never would have thought to look up
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Brixmis516 hr ago
+2
Whats that old quote? "You will own nothing and be happy"
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MunroeMuncher4 hr ago
+1
It's only wasn't a paywall because it was being paid by the British tax payer
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XADEBRAVO6 hr ago
+1
That you pay for? 😂
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[deleted]6 hr ago
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anotherNarom5 hr ago
+2
They aren't a public broadcaster in the countries it's applying a paywall.
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the_ghost_is5 hr ago
Great idea with the paper news tbh
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robustofilth6 hr ago
+34
Another dumb war started by dumb Americans. Britain should stay out of this.
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sorrison5 hr ago
+2
Unfortunately they’re forcing everyone’s hands. The world needs the strait open
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steakhouseNL4 hr ago
+8
There's different ways for that. But giving in to the American clown is not the way. Shame on the UK really for this.
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sorrison4 hr ago
+1
Ok what’s your ideas then? I’m listening
To note: I hate this as much as the next guy, but there aren’t a lot of solutions
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robustofilth4 hr ago
+1
Try talking to Iran.
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sorrison4 hr ago
+1
They have, and Iran wants to toll anyone using the strait. It’s a compete non starter and unacceptable to anyone. In the meantime the world is running out of helium, fertilisers let alone the oil.
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FKTS3 hr ago
+1
Right so the US starts an illegal, unprovoked war against Iran, and now for the good of the world we have to destroy Iran. Afterwards, nobody learns the lesson and this happens again.
Stop waiting for politicians to do the right thing. Protest and vote in your best interest and not what some corporate shithead says is in your best interest.
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jb45rd63 hr ago
+1
Iran has been arming houthis and hezb for decades and they’ve been firing missiles for ages, specifically at shipping companies. How is it unprovoked?
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robustofilth3 hr ago
+1
No. They were talking and America and Israel attacked. End of
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steakhouseNL4 hr ago
+1
Not go into war with Iran in the first place - or getting a deal. Especially Europe has to step in and has to lay down a deal they both can't refuse. Let it escalate otherwise. Things have gotten way out of hand anyway.
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LordChichenLeg4 hr ago
+1
So do nothing? That's already what's happening and European countries are suffering for it, if they can e***** ships through the strait it will help people.
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ObviouslyRealPerson7 hr ago
+37
Give in to Trump and he will just think you're weak
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mariuszmie7 hr ago
+49
Uk is bringing their ‘toys’ after being berated as useless juniors? I would not lift a finger to help Donny boy especially since he literally started this mess
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Ok_Employer45836 hr ago
+9
Think most of the British toys are heading north to counter Russian presence in the Arctic - which is what they should be doing tbh.
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thecityofgold886 hr ago
+6
We're mainly helping ourselves.
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R6ckStar5 hr ago
-4
Make a deal with Iran morrons
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obalovatyk3 hr ago
+1
Also, after they said they wouldn’t.
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eelam_garek3 hr ago
+1
It's starting to affect us more directly now. It's right to get involved for our own interests. How Dump perceives this move is irrelevant. This is for us.
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bauhausy7 hr ago
+69
> Defense mission
Wow, I didn’t expect the UK of all countries to join Iran’s side
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Sreg327 hr ago
+19
UK jumping in is disappointing. Too much internal pressure? I thought I read France is going in as well. Trump shits the bed, everyone else has to clean it up
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takesthebiscuit6 hr ago
+9
I’m not sure how little folk understand how fucked the global economy is if the strait does not open very very soon.
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Poulslutter4 hr ago
+5
Then we should sanction the US, their oligarchs and their politicians, until they withdraw their forces.
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takesthebiscuit4 hr ago
+1
And how will that work?
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Poulslutter4 hr ago
+1
Forbid entry, freeze or seize assets, dissolve their intellectual property rights, sanction businesses and persons that deal with them.
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takesthebiscuit4 hr ago
+1
Ok how is shooting our c*** off going to help move oil about
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Poulslutter4 hr ago
+1
So instead of tackling the problem at its root you prefer to join the international bully?
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takesthebiscuit3 hr ago
+1
Which one Iran or USA?
This is just reality politics, the uk is fucked if the strait does not open.
It’s irrelevant how we got here, all that matters is that energy, fertiliser and other goods resume safe and open passage immediately,
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
You me, and billions of others are proper fucked if this goes on for a prolonged period of time.
Very soon production will be stopping in factories across Asia, that will lead to further inflation, and snowball into more shut downs,
If it’s not gripped soon this has a very real chance of triggering a global recession or depression
Sanctions on USA will not fix anything, unless it results in Trump leaving office and the rest of his MAGA republicans doing the right thing , which the chances are zero
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R6ckStar5 hr ago
+6
Make a deal with Iran, it's right there.
But no they choose to capitulate to the Americans after they started this mess.
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electroriverside6 hr ago
+2
Yes. But other than some coverage of aviation fuel shortages and cancelled flights, coverage has been limited to the pump price of petrol and diesel.
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Icedanielization5 hr ago
+1
Because that's the sad reality of the world, right or wrong, strongest wins. If you join the losing side, now youre in a worse position than before. Optics matters which is why UK, etc took their time, so they waited it out, but in the end they had to choose.
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avidernis5 hr ago
-4
The strait of Hormuz is international waters, and Iran has unjustly taken sovereignty over it.
I wouldn't call Israeli or US operations to open the strait defensive considering they recently started a war with Iran, but for other countries who are effected it could certainly be called a defense of international interests.
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Poulslutter4 hr ago
+5
>The strait of Hormuz is international waters
It's not though. It's Iranian and Omani National waters. UNCLOS established it as an international waterway (that's not international waters though, although a lot stupid people confuse the two). But neither Iran nor the US have ratified UNCLOS, so it's not really relevant.
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avidernis4 hr ago
+1
Okay, thanks for the distinction. I believe the UK would still be defending its right to make passage in the international waterway, no?
I appreciate that you took the opportunity to call me stupid btw. Not sure what that added, but thanks.
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Poulslutter4 hr ago
+1
>I believe the UK would still be defending its right to make passage in the international waterway, no?
What right? Iran owns half the strait and hasn't signed UNCLOS.
Do you think the UN has the authority to decide which parts of a country are international waterways?
>I appreciate that you took the opportunity to call me stupid btw. Not sure what that added, but thanks.
Because you lied in your post. So either you are stupid or a propagandist. So I took the generous approach.
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R6ckStar4 hr ago
+1
Treaties change, and they change when people make decisions that have far reaching and unpredictable consequences.
And even then the straight is narrow enough that both Oman and Iran can effectively claim between them and it lies within their national waters.
Other countries should be making a deal with Iran, undermine the US's position and create new blocks.
It's insane to me after all that's happened Europe still maintains it's stance, it's infuriating really seeing us just bend over and take it.
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ldsdrff766 hr ago
+13
The US started that war, and now they're whining and moaning about losing, calling for help everywhere.
They should focus solely on reaching a proper deal with Iran, and on getting the hell out of the region, so business can flow, like it did before the needless aggression.
Furthermore, the US cannot in any reasonable way afford to engage in warfare anywhere. They can't even keep their population healthy, feed or educate them at this point. Sad.
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FeatherShard6 hr ago
+9
Ah yes, fighting in defense of the status quo because God forbid we have any impetus to rid ourselves of oil dependence.
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matunos7 hr ago
+23
Keir Starmer, fresh off a local elections drubbing, which followed a scandal with his appointment of Epstein associate Peter Mandelson as US ambassador, has decided to turn his fortunes around by getting the UK enmeshed in an extremely unpopular war.
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yubnubster6 hr ago
-6
No he hasn't. This is a post war clean up operation.
Edit: my apologies, the other 39 nations, including France, are all getting involved in the war as a means of distracting the British public from Kier Starmers troubles.
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Gr_ywind6 hr ago
-1
It'll be fine...
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larper006 hr ago
-14
Nah don't worry all these cocksuckers talk about sending assets long after a ceasefire has been solidified and only then send maybe a symbolic amount since their power projection is a joke nowadays
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thecityofgold886 hr ago
+2
How's that war you started in Iran going Mr Trump?
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larper005 hr ago
-7
in which scenario am i a trump supporter for stating the obvious (Europeans have no spine). I guess people jump to label someone as soon as his opinion deviates.
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HelpMeOverHere7 hr ago
+27
I thought middle powers were getting off the pedophile support train.
Like what an absolute farce. In the same moment that trump couldn’t even articulate why they decided to attack Iran, we had all these world “leaders” coming out to support it regardless.
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myballzhuert7 hr ago
+14
We’re all fucked at this point. Maybe they’re just hoping this gets things turned around, but likely not because literally everything Trump does is absolute dog shit .
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lkodl7 hr ago
+3
Has anyone ever tried packaging and selling dog shit? I think there's like a success glitch we can exploit where we really skimp on quality while keeping prices high, and if people complain, we can explain that it's supposed to be a feature. We're 100% dog shit. No bullshit.
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Tobikage19906 hr ago
+3
Opening up the hormuz strait doesn't necessarily equate to supporting Trump. Countries all over the world are struggling because of this.
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Sorry-Transition-7806 hr ago
+2
Honestly, I'd say these people *have* left the Trump train; it's the 'US Empire' train that they are commited to never leaving, at least economically. Trump they just see as 'someone they have to deal with for now' and don't care about the moral consequences.
What people tend to confuse with all the US dickriding in the west is that our leaders tend to align with the 'left' of neocolonial violence. They don't actually care about the violence, which they nearly always implicitly support; but they much prefer the democrat version, where there is at least the semblance of cover.
What we haven't seen, almost universally, is literally any condemnation of the actions of the US. We get some for Israel, but it is completely divorced from any action. The UK in particular is so obvious with Starmer not condemning the US/Israeli assault at all when it is probably one of the most blatant violations of the UN charter ever.
And this is just like he ignores the US role in Gaza, maintains a stance that the government is unable to determine the legality of Israel's military actions so we don't upset the permanent UK/Israel agreements; ignores the hundreds of people in boats murdered extrajudically by the US in the Carribbean; ignores the imperial assault on Venezuala; ignores the US openly manipulating the democracies of several foreign states; ignores the relevance of the fact that we are still part of the production chain for the Tomahawk missiles that the US fired at that school in Minab, etc...
It's actually worrying how many people seem to have bought the insane "not involved" argument about the UK and the Iran war too.
We had half the US B1B bomber fleet bombing Iran from RAF Fairford 24/7; while US bases in the region were being destroyed, we let them use Diego Garcia, which is our of their missile range; we were risking UK lives to shoot down projectiles mainly headed at US bases in the gulf; we had UK troops at these US bases, US troops on our bases, both of which we never removed; and we even maintained intelligence sharing during their illegal war, with evidence suggesting we used our military satellite infrastructure for that end—but we're not involved apparently...
And Starmer is specifically doing things like this to placate the US. There is no security crisis in the strait of Hormuz: there is a state responding to being attacked without provocation in a manner it believes to be proportional. Given the assault the US has unleashed, I don't think this is a stretch. The ICJ in 1996 could not rule out even nuclear weapons being a proportional response to a true existential threat to a state: exactly what Trump has threatened.
The only situation where shipping needs protected is one where Iran still sees closing the strait as a means to deter US and Israeli aggression. Instead of focusing on dealing with that threat, the PM has decided to endorse the Trump framing and offer both material and rhetorical support to his surmation of this situation as Iran simply being unreasonable around a global shipping lane in its waters.
There is literally no way for him to positively contribute to this crisis when he is backing the clear aggressors like this. Every state backing the US, even rhetorically, knows exactly what they're doing here.
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Spiritual_Pangolin186 hr ago
+7
Eternal puppet state of the US
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Significant_Leg_58426 hr ago
+6
Can we not follow the yanks into more stupid conflicts at least once.
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No_Mercy_4_Potatoes6 hr ago
+5
The country's economy is in the toilet.... But yeah, let's spend more money cleaning up mango Mussolini's mess.
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gooeychedda5 hr ago
+2
Believe it or not. Calls.
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King-Mansa-Musa6 hr ago
+3
Starmer finna get Labour Party steamrolled
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Gr_ywind6 hr ago
-1
Naaah, it'll be fine... ...
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morbihann5 hr ago
+3
Defend against whom ? It was perfectly fine before the USA decided to barge in.
Also, does that shipping include Iranian ships ? Or do they not get the same "freedom of navigation" ?
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BarnytheBrit4 hr ago
+1
To stop the US being nobs right now
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Funny-Carob-45724 hr ago
+1
Why..oh why...oh why.
I knew kier would suck up at some point.
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Stock-Stress-41474 hr ago
+1
People don’t realize how fast global prices explode if Hormuz gets blocked.
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huntsab20906 hr ago
+1
No it doesnt. Horrendous misleading click bait headline
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Sonyguyus7 hr ago
-2
Oh this is gonna hurt Cheetos feelings big time.
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Radiant-Ad-31345 hr ago
How could they call an invasion a "defense mission"
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RottenPingu15 hr ago
Weak. Cleaning up America's mess yet again.
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Tigereyesxx6 hr ago
-9
Iran now wants to take over the Strait and blackmail the World, the time has come for the World to come together and stamp on them..Don’t agree with the war, but there is a line that absolutely cannot be crossed..
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nuttylou5 hr ago
+8
lol the strait was open just fine a few months ago, so is it really Iran stirring up all of this or that shit stain in the WH
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Tigereyesxx5 hr ago
-3
Well if your Country was threatened with Nuclear extinction by your neighbour, that also sponsors terrorists to attack you, (remember the Concert massacre recently? ) Would you do something about it?
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