Just need to check the figures in a few months to see if this works. Just seems like we are handing over more and more money with no change in the numbers, and like many others I don't mind helping people who are genuine, but we never get given the full facts. We never really know what countries these people are coming from, and why they are leaving the safety of Europe to come here. This whole issue has been going for far too long, and this country really can't afford to keep taking people in these numbers. We have enough of our own problems.
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Vectorman1989Apr 23, 2026
+3
If France is using the money to go after the gangs that are buying the boats and putting people on them then that'll reduce the number of crossings. Belgium already caught a Turkish guy that was supplying them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn82y2jn492o
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my-comp-tipsApr 23, 2026
Let's hope so.
0
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubiApr 23, 2026
+21
>Just seems like we are handing over more and more money with no change in the numbers,
The numbers show that net migration is back down to pre-Brexit levels and immigration specifically has been sharply tumbling down from the peak a couple of years ago.
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DemocraticBanana123Apr 23, 2026
+4
Yes, but it *seems ike it*, therefore a fact.
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Wooden-Recording-693Apr 24, 2026
+1
Drops over the winter months as well and weather, harder to get a boat across. It's nice to see collaboration on this but feels like a lot of money wasted. Almost like we had a good situation and we did something stupid and that made the numbers go up.
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hikingsticksApr 23, 2026
+1
It's almost like foreign aid is a far cheaper and better way to keep people in their countries rather than have them become migrants. Good thing that budget got slashed.
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Sandslinger_EveApr 23, 2026
+57
Foreign aid has turned out to be a great way to keep dictatorships going too.
Sure that reduces migration until the dictator as usual fucks up and the resulting civil war creates far larger migration waves. See Syria.
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pembrokesaladApr 23, 2026
+25
Have you got a source for that ? Or are we vibing it today
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GadraneApr 23, 2026
+6
It was certainly working before
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spam__likelyApr 23, 2026
-2
that, and not bombing countries just because
-2
burundilappApr 23, 2026
-2
What do you think the numbers are?
-2
AntiTrollSquadApr 23, 2026
+183
Brexit, the day a nation decided to be worse off, because of immigration, and as a result of it, immigration got worse.
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JASHIKO_Apr 23, 2026
+59
Worse across every metric.
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Background_Wasp_295Apr 23, 2026
+20
We wun Brexit, so its pounds and inches now, none of that metric c***!
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Stop_DoomscrollingApr 23, 2026
+1
Penny wise and pound foolish
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takesthebiscuitApr 23, 2026
But we need more flags and pictures of old men in schools
Then victory will be complete!
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myotheraccount559Apr 23, 2026
-1
Pfft. The UK was always about as metric as the USA, the only difference is the UK pretends they adopted the metric system
-1
Bendy_McBendyThumbApr 23, 2026
-2
“Buh ih wuzunt dun poperlee!” said the gammon
-2
NondescriptHaggardApr 23, 2026
+24
I agree, and voted Remain because I didn’t want the country to economically hamstring itself, but I can understand why people did vote for it to reduce immigration.
When you consistently vote for lower immigration and it doesn’t happen because all the parties are lying to you, why not vote to leave when you’re being promised that we’ll be able to lower immigration by the leading figures of VoteLeave.
Unfortunately it turns out that they were not only also lying, but in the case of Boris, were also the most open-borders, Unlimited C**** Labour For The Engine Of Capitalism kind of politicians.
I think the lesson to be learned is that anti mass immigration sentiment is so powerful amongst a huge proportion of the population that they will vote to destroy the country to prevent it. It’s only Kier and Shabana that seem to recognise this and are trying to do something to prevent a Thatcherite Reform government.
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Safe_Score2222Apr 23, 2026
+2
If people are unhappy because the parties that promise anti-migration politics don’t do anything. Then why would anyone think that Brexit with its anti-migration agenda would change anything?
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Emergency-Hat-8715Apr 23, 2026
+3
Money spent on propaganda by foreign governments?
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BennyBagnuts1stApr 23, 2026
+21
This used to happen when the U.K. was in the EU. See Sangatte Camp. It’s just organised by Albanian gangs now.
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FirTree_rApr 23, 2026
+16
Glad it's not happening anymore, thanks to Brexit!
/s
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waltz_with_potatoesApr 23, 2026
+6
Not in the numbers that it was before Brexit and it certainly wasn't huge amounts of small boats.
We were in the Dublin agreement before so we could just return asylum seekers to the first country of entry within the EU, which was a big deterrent.
Previous method of "illegal" immigration was coming in trucks or sneaking into trucks, car boots, overstaying visas. The asylum claims were not in the 100k as it is now.
Now it's large amounts of boat arrivals and they can just sit in the beach to be picked up.
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BennyBagnuts1stApr 23, 2026
+12
https://www.statista.com/statistics/454775/number-of-illegal-entries-between-bcps-to-the-eu/
On average it’s much higher now across Europe than before Brexit and it’s organised by criminal gangs
https://news.sky.com/story/sophisticated-albanian-gangs-linked-to-people-trafficking-surge-in-uk-11555887
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waltz_with_potatoesApr 23, 2026
-2
As I said, it's to do with the Dublin agreement and lack of returns deterrent.
In your graph you can see the European migrants crisis of 2015/2016..Asylum applications spiked up to 32k and 30k.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-october-to-december-2016/asylum#:~:text=Asylum%20applications%20in%20the%20UK,10%2C196%20in%20October%20to%20December).
Then after Brexit? 48k in 21, 22 was 89k, 23 was 67k, 108k in 24, 100k in 25.
Then small boats were rare before Brexit, 2017 had none detected, 2018 about 100 people arrived.
And yeah of course Gangs have moved in become organised, because without the Dublin agreement then it's easier for refugees to stay and more of a market.
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BennyBagnuts1stApr 23, 2026
+5
Small boats were rare because organised criminal gangs weren’t involved. The graph shows an average higher number after 2015. I’m sure also all the returned illegal migrants don’t just come back. It really has nothing to do with Brexit as it’s the same all over Europe.
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waltz_with_potatoesApr 23, 2026
+1
Yes nothing to do with Brexit, small boats and asylum applications surging after Brexit. But nothing to do with Brexit.
Again you ignored 2015/2016.
Do think gangs became involved because ya know migrants were now more likely to stay in the UK...
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BennyBagnuts1stApr 23, 2026
-5
I’ll let ChatGPT give you the answer
The sharp rise in irregular migration to Europe in 2015–2016—often called the European migrant crisis—wasn’t caused by a single factor. It was a convergence of conflicts, instability, and policy dynamics that all peaked at once.
1. War in Syria (main driver)
The biggest factor was the Syrian Civil War.
By 2015, millions of Syrians had been displaced:
* Neighbouring countries like Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan were overwhelmed
* Living conditions for refugees worsened (limited work, education, aid cuts)
* Many people decided to move onward to Europe rather than remain in long-term limbo
2. Other conflicts and instability
Syria wasn’t the only source:
* Afghanistan (ongoing conflict and Taliban resurgence)
* Iraq (violence linked to ISIS)
* Eritrea (authoritarian rule and forced conscription)
* Parts of Sub-Saharan Africa (poverty, conflict, and weak governance)
So the flow was multi-origin, not just Middle Eastern.
3. Smuggling networks and routes opening
People didn’t just spontaneously move—routes became more accessible:
* Smuggling networks across Libya and the Mediterranean expanded
* The “Balkan route” through Greece into central Europe became widely used
* Social media spread information about routes, costs, and success rates
4. European policy signals (pull factors)
Some policy decisions made Europe seem more reachable:
* Angela Merkel signalled that Germany would accept large numbers of asylum seekers (“Wir schaffen das”)
* Some border controls temporarily weakened or were inconsistently enforced
* The Schengen Area made onward movement easier once inside
This didn’t cause the crisis, but it influenced where people chose to go.
5. Sudden “tipping point” effect
Migration often builds quietly, then spikes:
* Years of displacement (since ~2011) reached a breaking point around 2015
* Refugee camps became unsustainable
* Once large groups started moving, others followed (network effect)
6. Key flashpoints in 2015
Events accelerated the situation:
* Huge arrivals on Greek islands like Lesbos
* Overland movement through the Balkans into countries like Hungary and Austria
* The widely publicised death of Alan Kurdi shifted public attention and political responses
⸻
Bottom line
The spike happened because:
* Push factors (war, persecution, collapse of living conditions) intensified
* Routes and information made movement more feasible
* Policy signals and geography shaped where people went
* And everything peaked at the same time
If you want, I can  break down how that compares to migration levels today (they’re different in important ways), or  how much of it was actually “illegal” vs asylum-seeking.
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waltz_with_potatoesApr 23, 2026
+4
Why you giving me chatgpt answer about 2015-16. I know the causes, you missed the point completely.
My original point was that we saw far higher migration numbers into Europe as a whole in those year's, but asylum applications in the UK only grew by a small amount. Where as we are seeing post Brexit asylum applications 60k above what it was in 2015 and 16.
You are putting down a near 60/70k solely down increase just down to gangs and the increase of migration into Europe.
But during the largest years of migration into Europe, the increase to the UK was negligible.
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BennyBagnuts1stApr 23, 2026
I think you have a mono maniacal obsession with Brexit and no answer or statistics are going to sway you from that.
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5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubiApr 23, 2026
+1
"I'll let ChatGPT give you an answer"
Ask your AI God if Brexit caused a hike in immigration to the UK instead of skirting around it by only asking about the European migration crisis in general.
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waltz_with_potatoesApr 23, 2026
+3
He didn't even use chatgpt to answer the question I was asking 😂
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xPareshApr 23, 2026
+5
It has nothing to do with Brexit.
Illegal people trafficking is a problem across the whole of the EU.
In fact the UK has fewer people arriving than almost all the other EU countries.
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Capitain_CollateralApr 23, 2026
+13
Right, but one of the primary drivers for brexit was this issue. And, turns out, we just made things objectively worse for ourselves in a large amount of areas and didn’t do anything to solve that issue at all.
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xPareshApr 23, 2026
I'm in the EU all the time.
Their top new stories about the sheer number of migrants coming and the chaos they are causing local communities.
It's one of the reasons why so many EU countries are becoming ultra hostile and voting in far right parties.
Comparatively, the UK has it super easy.
I cant fathom how being in the EU would be solving this problem. At the end of the day, its costing the British government or the French Government £50,000 per boat migrant per year plus an immense amount of political capital. Its the reason why the Tories were obliterated at the last election and throughout Europe its the same for any goverment that promises to deliver but doesnt.
France is having an absolute economic and socio-policial nightmare with pension reforms that right now with several Prime Ministers who have come and gone.
For anyone blaming all the woes of our current boat people crisis on Brexit is as dumb and naive and those who thought Brexit was the solution to the problem in the first place.
Those who thought Brexit would be the solution to this crisis in 2016 are as much ignorant, uneducated morons as those who thing an un-Brexit is a solution to the problem in 2026.
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Capitain_CollateralApr 23, 2026
+2
You are missing the point. Un-Brexiting isn’t seen as a solution to this issue, but not having brexited at all would have meant a lot of brexit caused issues wouldn’t have existed. Brexit didn’t solve it, but it did make a lot of other unrelated things objectively worse. The fact that you would equate people who would like to see the economic mess amongst other things alleviated by rejoining as being at the same level as the knuckle dragging flag shaggers that voted to self harm in order to take ‘are’ country back whilst having no concept of a plan as to how Brexit was going to improve anything at all is… telling.
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xPareshApr 23, 2026
A lot of things that are crapping out in not just the UK but even in the EU is pinned down to Brexit. I would urge you to watch the main Eu news channels. They also like to blame how shit things are getting there on Brexit and how the EU must stay united and not allow the UK leaving successfully and be a model of a successful exit.
Im fluent in Spanish. Nothing would please me more than for the UK to rejoin the EU and get flooded by perfectly well spoken EU youth hard on their luck and moving to London.
That would be a massive boost to Landlord who have to raise rent and companies who could drive salaries.
I'd be able to sell me London flat and buy a nice mansion in Spain by the beach and retire early. I'd be quids in and be able to absolutely capitalise on the UK rejoining the EU.
However it would totally ruin life chances of young UK folk.
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waltz_with_potatoesApr 23, 2026
+2
Has everything to do with removing ourselves from the Dublin agreement
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Mailman7Apr 23, 2026
+1
How many were deported under the Dublin agreement?
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NothingPersonalKid00Apr 24, 2026
+1
The UK was a net receiver when we were in the Dublin agreement.
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Sandslinger_EveApr 23, 2026
You're talking shite.
Key Countries and Estimated Irregular Immigrant Populations (Various Studies):
Germany: Estimated at 1.0–1.2 million in 2017, with reports suggesting up to 1.6 million later.
United Kingdom: Estimated 800,000–1.2 million in 2017.
Italy: Estimated 500,000–700,000 in 2017.
France: Estimated 300,000–400,000 in 2017.
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OrignalSauceApr 23, 2026
+1
And the comparison now? Also is this the inflow for the year or estimated stock?
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Sandslinger_EveApr 23, 2026
+1
The estimated stock.
But lets not magine that the stock didn't have to get there via a higher influx, the one denotes the other, unless we believe in magical teleporting asylum seekers.
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OrignalSauceApr 23, 2026
But the comment is about estimated arriving currently, so why is a stat from nearly 10 years ago relevant? I was replying in terms of you calling out the other commenter.
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-RadiationApr 23, 2026
+1
We are going to need some sources specially that last sentence
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EssaielApr 23, 2026
+1
Logically it makes sense. You can only get to the UK by air or sea.
https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/why-dont-refugees-stay-first-country-they-reach
This goes into the numbers a bit and points out the UK vs France (dated 2023). Where France received about twice as many asylum applications compared to the UK and Germany received over twice as many as France.
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-RadiationApr 23, 2026
+2
But France and Germany are quite far from almost all EU countries. UK has huge language pull and economic compared to many slavic, Baltic or Balkan countries that it does not seem like it would be true but I do now know the data.
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DaNuker2Apr 23, 2026
+1
Yup we lost the option to send people back to France.
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Asleep-Ad1182Apr 24, 2026
You clearly have no idea about what you're talking about. Being in the EU would have made this worse.
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AntiTrollSquadApr 24, 2026
Troll, troll, troll, little little troll (just in case you don't understand, you are a troll)
0
sjw_7Apr 23, 2026
+60
This just pays for more French Police to stand around on the beaches watching the boats as they leave and doing nothing about it. They have been paid for years to stop it but have achieved the square root of f*** all in that time.
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southwest_barfightApr 23, 2026
+6
Not sure if you've read the details but it involves UK specialist police officers being stationed on the French coast apparently
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Gold-Appearance-4463Apr 23, 2026
+13
That’s great - they can also wave!
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cobbus_maximusApr 23, 2026
+1
In January France implemented measures which now let's them intercept boats that are already in the water, which should sort the legal maritime problem that forced them to watch boats leave.
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FlappyBoredApr 23, 2026
-1
France is a rogue state that uses and exploits illegal immigrants to extort neighbouring countries.
France willingly allows and encourages migrants to take the journey and doesn’t care if children die doing it as long as they can demand more money from the UK to ‘stop’ them.
They are no better than Belarus who uses migrants on the EU border in the same manner.
-1
[deleted]Apr 23, 2026
-53
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Puzzleheaded_Hurry93Apr 23, 2026
+4
Dumb f*** Brits yet here you are living in our country. Kindly f*** off out of it.
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FullM3TaLJacK3TApr 23, 2026
-4
Can't wait.
-4
Puzzleheaded_Hurry93Apr 23, 2026
+2
Please take your attitude with you, bell end. Thanks.
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VarPadreApr 23, 2026
+42
Turning back the boats and offshore processing has worked for Australia in deterring economic migrants, why is the UK still dithering
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
+4
Lots of reasons
1) The UK crossing is much easier than crossing to Australia so it's harder for us to catch all the boats.
2) People are already annoyed about spending money putting migrants in hotels. Hosting them on an island would be WAY more expensive and difficult. Because it's not like we're going to put them on a channel island. We'd be talking somewhere remote in Scotland if anything.
3) Australia has come under massive criticism for the treatment of the migrants it processes on that island.
There's probably more but being very difficult, very expensive and borderline immoral should give you an idea about why the UK is 'dithering'.
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VarPadreApr 23, 2026
+13
Deterrence is costly but so is dithering, letting these guys land on your shore and then dealing with the consequences of unvetted migrants swamping what is already a small, heavily populated island experiencing economic strain and a declining ability to provide services for its citizens will outweigh some upfront costs associated with stopping the flow of economic migrants
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
+1
It's not just upfront costs though.
The deterrence only works if immigrants are virtually guaranteed to be caught crossing. The fact that 'you'll just end up in an offshore processing center' isn't a deterrent if it's only if you get caught. So that ability to catch them crossing has to be maintained indefinitely, and can you imagine how expensive that is? I don't know but I imagine it's something like a ship stationed every 10 miles along a lot of the cost line, operating 24/7.
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VarPadreApr 23, 2026
-1
It's not that hard to monitor, airborne drone surveillance is perfectly capable of providing intel on coastline arrivals along with intelligence from the French side, pick them up when they arrive then transport them to a processing centre, Australia's coastline is magnitudes of order harder to monitor, the migrants are gambling and if their odds of landing successfully are reduced the flow of people will fall
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
+1
Oh, so all we need is a fleet of drones covering the whole coastline 24/7 (can't see who will have a problem with that on their coastal walks) along with enough police available 24/7 to respond to any part of the coastline within what... 30 mins? That sounds c**** enough. Not to mention:
>along with intelligence from the French side
Hmm, maybe we'll need to do something crazy to get that, like send them $892 million.
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VarPadreApr 23, 2026
+6
Ok throw your hands up in the air and call it too hard, let them come, the policy has worked fine here in Australia even though the pearl clutching hand wringing brigade have had a few tantrums
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
Firstly, you've completely ignored what I've pointed out about us not being Australia.
Secondly, my whole original point was that you suggested it was obvious and why are we 'dithering', and now you're saying essentially that it's not *literally* impossible. If your original comment had been 'I think the government should consider the Australian model, as much of an imposition as it would be' then I wouldn't have said anything.
And thirdly, since you said 'here in Australia' then that either means you're an Australian who might not be as acquainted with the problem here in the UK, or you're literally an immigrant from the UK which would be interestingly ironic.
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VarPadreApr 23, 2026
+2
'Imposition' really?
Maintaining border security is a duty that the government must uphold, a sovereign nation must be in charge of who arrives and when, whatever it costs.
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
-1
That's a very extreme view, given that the only countries that even come close to saying that they uphold that duty would be the likes of North Korea.
You sound like Trump. Build the wall etc.
-1
aightshiplordsApr 23, 2026
+3
> We'd be talking somewhere remote in Scotland if anything
As someone remote in Scotland I always find this so insulting. Let's just shove them somewhere far away and desolate that we don't care about; some place in Scotland. 2 minutes later "why have those awful Scots got such a chip on their shoulder", I dont know maybe its because people who live in the South of England keep saying our beautiful home should be turned into a penal colony for their unwanted migrants.
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
+1
I'm not advocating for it at all. I'm just saying that if we were to choose an island for this, it's much more likely to be a remote Scottish island with a two digit population than like the Isle of Wight or something which is heavily populated.
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aightshiplordsApr 23, 2026
+1
Where does the infrastructure for this isolated windswept internent camp come from? How do they get fresh water, sewage, upgraded electricity and medical care for thousands of people onto this dream island without incurring massive additional cost? There's a reason the Americans stopped using Alcatraz. And why does it always have to be an island in this fantasy? These migrants have already demonstrated that they are capable of traversing water based barriers.
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StrangelyBrownApr 23, 2026
+1
Mate, you're preaching to the choir. I think it's completely unfeasible. Tell the other guy who started off by suggesting it's obvious.
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Delicious-Reveal-862Apr 23, 2026
-1
Prefer the criticism, over having my country over run by illegal immigrants. Just wish we'd send back the UK migrants as well.
-1
tankerasApr 23, 2026
-1
correct
-1
randlemarcusApr 23, 2026
-6
Because sending them to the Isle of Wight would be a war crime
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[deleted]Apr 23, 2026
+12
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WATCHING_CLOSELYApr 23, 2026
+9
With the conversation around moving people from hotels to barracks and HMOs, I don't think the messaging around it being cheaper is necessarily landing with people. The only thing that lands is a massive reduction in crossings.
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DeeperMadnessApr 23, 2026
-24
Actually it would probably be cheaper to house all of them and help them find work here as well.
-24
ElCaminoInTheWestApr 23, 2026
+12
Yes, that'll help reduce the numbers.
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Person_756335846Apr 23, 2026
+44
Why not have the British Navy physically stop the boats and drag them back to France (or just outside the territorial waters of France).
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SoudaianApr 23, 2026
+14
A common strategy when trying to cross to Greece or Italy is to damage the boats themselves and then request rescue so then they get a ride to Europe on the nicer coastguard vessels.
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OldLondonApr 23, 2026
-7
Because people would die and we aren’t animals
-7
Andy1723Apr 23, 2026
+13
What's the solution? Letting people cross the channel in dinghies isn't too safe either.
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OrignalSauceApr 23, 2026
-5
This doesn't stop them crossing in dinghies though...
-5
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubiApr 23, 2026
-6
One is "allowing" them to cross at their own risk.
The other is *actively* harming them and making the journey riskier.
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Andy1723Apr 23, 2026
Why are either acceptable?
If I went and walked across a motorway a policeman would come and grab me because they have a moral obligation to do so. There’s not a single scenario where they’d allow this kind of behaviour to become commonplace.
France allowing this to happen can’t possibly be driven by humane reasons. They could stop it tomorrow if they wanted to stop people risking their lives.
Why don’t they?
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5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubiApr 23, 2026
The police stop you from crossing a motorway because it risks *other* lives on that motorway.
Everyone on that boat consented to the risks there, and they're the only ones being harmed if things go south.
>France allowing this to happen can’t possibly be driven by humane reasons. They could stop it tomorrow if they wanted to stop people risking their lives.
It's not humane to physically prevent people from leaving. France has no right to stop them unless there's a legal matter keeping them there, and once they're out of France they're in UK waters so there's nothing to be done there.
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Andy1723Apr 23, 2026
So you think it’s the right think for France to do, allow criminal enterprises to risk death ferrying hundreds of vulnerable people across the channel on a daily basis?
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5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubiApr 23, 2026
As opposed to the much higher risk and violation of international law that comes with preventing people from leaving the country or forcing them back the other way?
"Allow" isn't accurate since it implies they condone it. They do not condone it. They simply have no actual method to prevent it, because how do you legally stop people leaving your country when you want them gone in the first place?
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Andy1723Apr 23, 2026
+1
France absolutely does have legal grounds to stop people entering water to get on a dingy, it’s absurd you think otherwise and pointless debating this with you if you just flat out refute that.
Yes, they want them gone. That’s why they allow it. And there needs to be more pressure on France and less of the moral grandstanding accepting dingy crossings. They’re wrong from every perspective.
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OrignalSauceApr 23, 2026
+1
France do stop it, do you want them to spend infinite resources and cash to try and get the crossing down to 0.
France take in more refugees than the UK. If you want France to help more maybe the UK should pay for it.
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tankerasApr 23, 2026
+1
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davew111Apr 23, 2026
+1
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Joice_CraglargApr 23, 2026
Mmmm, you sure about that? Last I checked, homo sapiens were still animals.
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OldLondonApr 23, 2026
Pedant
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quick_justiceApr 23, 2026
+2
How do you see it happen? Also consider that there no neutral waters between UK and France. British navy can’t operate in French waters.
So small craft enters British waters and then what?
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my-comp-tipsApr 23, 2026
-4
It would then kick off.
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quick_justiceApr 23, 2026
+2
Explain precisely how. Do they fire at them? Do they push them with the hull? What exactly happens.
Assume small craft ignores Navy and just raws ahead.
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my-comp-tipsApr 23, 2026
I'm just saying there would probably be a stand off with the French government then. That's not good for anyone. They would probably down tools so the situation would get worse, and even more boats would arrive than they do now.
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Personnel_jesusApr 23, 2026
-4
Because they aren't French citizens so what right do we have to send them to France?
And all the really thick kids from school suddenly decided they were experts in politics and decided to remove us from the EU which had rules and framework in place that prevented as many people trying to cross the channel by 'small boat' and meant that we were able to 'send them back' to France to 'deal with. '
But 'Brexit means Brexit' and Brexit also means we don't have that framework and can't ship real life, human beings (just like you and me, but some of us- barely) off to what is essentially just a random country they have no more ties to than they do to the UK.
Oh yeah, and by design these boats are barely afloat due to overload and would sink if a larger boat came alongside, then you REALLY have a duty to rescue them and bring them ashore, as a, you know, functioning human being with thoughts and feelings. Just like 'they' are.
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Potential-South-2807Apr 23, 2026
+14
Because they came from France?
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Personnel_jesusApr 23, 2026
-3
And I had a stopover in Ireland once (from England) on way to the USA, so if I got deported from USA they should send me to Ireland because I 'came from' there? (And am not even slightly Irish).
If you're so worried about people choosing to live in different countries and affecting the natives' way of life, why not encourage the Spanish to shoot down the budget airlines flying from GB to the Costa del Sol?
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metal_jesterApr 23, 2026
-3
Because migrants are not military targets which is what is required for any form of aggression.
The royal navy has been very clear on this.
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thereoncewasahatApr 23, 2026
-16
There is no point in having a military if it refuses to defend the country against invasion.
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OldLondonApr 23, 2026
+6
Ok Nigel
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thereoncewasahatApr 23, 2026
-13
Am Rupertbro.
Farage is too soft.
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metal_jesterApr 23, 2026
-12
Right? It's because theyre not the right refugees. I've pointed out no one cares about the number of white refugees we get every year.
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OldLondonApr 23, 2026
+2
People were ok with Ukrainians
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metal_jesterApr 23, 2026
https://www.navylookout.com/why-its-not-the-royal-navys-job-to-stop-migrant-boats
A fine statement but this explains why basically it's against international law, maritime law, monstrously evil.
Imagine a world where you had to flee England because a regime came in that passed a law to remove your citenzenship and wanted to enslave, percecute or even kill you... How would you leave?
Only to be met by a 30mm gun from the french navy turning you and your family to pink mist.
The issue is far more complex than "it's an invasion blah blah" we need to work with the EU as part of their migrants resettlement plan and remember there is sub 50k people a year using this route, with just over 60% granted asylum.
It's manufactured hate.
Remember, we get about 100k a year for "non-whites," as 250k Ukrainians arrived at the start of their war and no one batted an eyelid... Get some perspective.
Edit: downvote me all you want, failure to debate or consider an alt view speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence.
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ruth1ess_oneApr 23, 2026
+1
Just saw a video the other day explaining how the British Navy is impotent. Tldr: their ships aren’t well maintained and they can’t even sent out a single destroyer without it breaking down. They got more admirals than ships and more ships being repaired than active.
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deyterkourjerbsApr 23, 2026
+3
They choose flimsy dinghies that sink quite easily to avoid this.
They have small craft that would be sold for 30-40 people and somehow get over 100 on them.
Last year, the crews of the boats patrolling the Channel went on strike and it turned out that many of them were barely earning more than minimum wage. Killing some refugee for what you'd earn at Maccies isn't on.
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thereoncewasahatApr 23, 2026
-10
Surely the dinghies being flimsy makes them easier to stop?
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ShaddaaaaaappApr 23, 2026
+3
Stopping them isn’t the problem. Preventing everyone onboard from drowning is.
They are migrants, what basis have we to kill them for crossing a national border?
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RunazeeriApr 23, 2026
+1
It’s a legal issue where you have to rescue people who are sinking so they sink themselves and get picked up by the coastguard then you can claim asylum as you “lost” you documentation on the boat.
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thereoncewasahatApr 23, 2026
+1
Oh.
That's sounds like they are abusing the system; and that the law is no longer fit for purpose as a result.
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Immediate_Move_3742Apr 23, 2026
+3
What are we going to do, let them drown?
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thereoncewasahatApr 23, 2026
+1
No comment.
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Immediate_Move_3742Apr 23, 2026
+1
"No comment". These are people we're talking about. At least have the balls to defend your moral bankruptcy.
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thereoncewasahatApr 23, 2026
+1
I am following the advice of my listnook counsel and decline to comment.
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Immediate_Move_3742Apr 23, 2026
+2
Coward
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KooolxxxApr 23, 2026
-1
money matters
-1
ArmNo7463Apr 23, 2026
-8
What Navy lol?
The fleet's like halved in size over the last 10-20 years.
-8
geaux124Apr 23, 2026
-4
They could always beg Germany to let them borrow a boat again.
-4
geaux124Apr 23, 2026
-8
You need boats that are actually seaworthy to pull that off.
-8
blackreaganApr 23, 2026
+3
Having an easy life and living in wealth means most of our issues in the West are reduced to children arguing on a playground. The majority of people in the world know that no country can let everyone in. Yet we have to argue about being mean to brown people about laws that are frankly more accommodating compared to most other nations.
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ComplexAsk1541Apr 23, 2026
+9
Let’s bill Nigel Farage for this.
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TeamPachApr 23, 2026
+12
One of the dumbest deals ever made: the UK is waiting money and France has a bunch of illegal migrants sitting around in Calais.
EU country being unable to send those migrants home is just embarrassing.
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doobiedaveApr 23, 2026
+18
Paying the French to prevent crimes being committed on their own soil.
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Pleasant_Change_5381Apr 23, 2026
+8
It's not a crime to get out of french territory
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doobiedaveApr 23, 2026
+6
It's a crime to run a criminal gang that smuggles people out of France though.
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UniveraliseApr 23, 2026
+5
I feel like the easiest route at this point would pay a third country to host them while processing similar to Australia.
I feel like Pakistan would probably be a good candidate for this.
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khurgan_Apr 23, 2026
+3
Another Brexit benefit
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potato_face1234Apr 23, 2026
+4
During the Falklands war, the UK bought up supplies of exocet missiles to prevent the Argentinians using them against our ships. Surely it would cheaper just to buy up all the stocks of these very large inflatable and presumably expensive dinghies? That's a lot of dinghies for $892 million.
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AlexandbroTheGreatApr 23, 2026
+1
They could put on bounty on cobras after that to cut down on the cobra population!
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Delicious-Reveal-862Apr 23, 2026
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MyNameIsLOL21Apr 23, 2026
+2
What if we put sharks and Orcas in the English Channel?
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gerdav257Apr 23, 2026
+2
Let’s thank Farage & Boris for this.
And how shall we thank them…
(reads notes)
By electing Farage and his Russian sponsored cronies as Councillors…
SMH
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SupremoPeteApr 23, 2026
+1
Yeah because this worked in the last deals we had
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_x_oOo_x_Apr 24, 2026
+1
892 million for 50 police officers for 3 years. Those are some expensive officers..
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RichmondezApr 23, 2026
+1
France is already doing that...
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MakoSmilerApr 23, 2026
-2
France is doing f*** all except take our money
-2
Starter-for-TenApr 23, 2026
+1
Thanks Nigel and Boris.
And by thanks, I really mean get bent fuckers.
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Heisenbergg55Apr 23, 2026
-14
Europe is lost
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OldLondonApr 23, 2026
-10
And let’s not forget with the US and Israel actions we’re gonna see way more ME immigrants coming into Europe - thanks for that
-10
Delicious-Reveal-862Apr 23, 2026
+7
If you allow immigrants to come, half of Asia and Africa will,
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JASHIKO_Apr 23, 2026
-1
Wait until the climate migration starts. The middle east and northern africa is done for.
-1
RaychaoApr 23, 2026
-2
France just thinks the UK is cray cray.
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potato_face1234Apr 23, 2026
-3
Laughing in French.
-3
Unable_Operation_765Apr 23, 2026
-3
If you sunk one or two after giving proper warning, you’d probably save more lives in the long run and the boats would stop.
Some of these migrants SA or attack citizens a week or two after they’ve arrived. The UK can’t take every single person who wants to travel there, and right now they’re being forced to accept them even when they’re already swamped. Putin is trying to flood the west with migrants to destabilize it—at what point is this not an invasion that needs to be stopped with force?
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Terry_WTApr 23, 2026
-13
The stop the boats campaign is straight from Russia via Nigel Farage. It’s utter nonsense focusing on a couple of rubber dinghies when 99% of people arrive by plane.
They complain that we spend too much money processing and housing asylum seekers then will celebrate when we spend nearly a billion stopping a handful of them coming by boat.
-13
BookmarksBrotherApr 23, 2026
+18
A nation without borders is not a nation. And its not 99%, I believe now these crossings make up 25% of net migration numbers.
Net because we have 200-250k net migration and 50k by dinghy alone that clearly dont intend to leave.
If you take the rest of applicants the refugee route makes up about half of all net migration.
Its costing the state tens of billions that could be spent on infrastructure or free university...
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Terry_WTApr 23, 2026
+2
No, it’s estimated to be around 5-6%. There wasn’t 50k by boat in 2025 it was 41,472, a 13% rise over 2024. It’s 190k over the last 7 years. 63% of those were granted asylum protection, and 37% refused with 58k being removed from July 2024 to January 2026.
The Home offices stopped publishing exit statistics in 2020 due to “impact of Brexit and the pandemic”. At that time overstays from Visa and non visa nations was around 340k. External estimates now put that between 400k to 900k which is likely why the Home Office hasn’t resumed publication of these figures.
The immigration problems aren’t happening on the beaches, it’s happening at passport control. The boats are just conveniently emotive and visual for people like Farage.
It’s the same play as the leave.eu campaign they are just being more careful this time. No more being open about meetings with his director of communications Andy Wigmore and Alexander Udod and Alexander Yakovenko from the Russian embassy. Aaron Banks is now running as a candidate rather than funnelling a record £8 million of Russian money into the campaign, which interestingly was a million more than the leave.eu campaign even spent.
The stop the boats campaign is just the latest in a line of campaigns set to undermine the U.K.
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