So far that's the only commitments the US and Israel can get. "End this and we will help open things"
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Kdave2120 hr ago
Can the British economy survive longer than the American economy without oil. I imagine their actions will become more impactful the more they feel the effects
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Chimpville10 hr ago
+2
Probably not, but does that make a difference to the response? The strait cannot be forced open. Trying will just push things back even further. Everybody is forced to wait until the US admin realises it has no more moves to play before trying to give both idiotic parties an off ramp in the form of multinational reassurance mission.
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Disc0Disc0Disc01 day ago
+1
Ok thats what I said
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Crim3mast3rZ23 hr ago
+5
Learned from the best in the world wars
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JarvisModeOn1 day ago
+1
Makes sense given how much shipping depends on Hormuz, but it also shows how fragile this ceasefire is.
Mine-hunting gear and warships are defensive, but one mistake in that area can escalate fast.
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wrghf23 hr ago
-4
I think it’s interesting how a war of aggression against Iran is suddenly being framed as a “defence mission”.
It has feelings of “special military operation” to me.
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Tuinomics19 hr ago
+10
Because Iran is firing on almost everyone in the region, not just the US/Israel, including civilian cargo and energy ships. It doesn’t take a genius to understand why these are defensive missions.
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psyon21 hr ago
+9
The international community does not recognize Iran as having control of the strait. When Iran decided to shut down the strait, it became necessary to defend it.
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ftd12316 hr ago
+3
Maybe we just have to wait for Iran to present their novel legal justification as to why they control they straight, and wait for higher courts to pass down the judgement in time. We can always just agree on a settlement after the fact, if it turns out it was not theirs all along.
/sarcasm
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DDoubleDDog22 hr ago
-2
Iran started this war on Oct. 7. Iran and its proxies are the aggressors and they are guilty of mass murder, torture, r***, kidnapping, war crimes and child abuse.
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jrr12345619 hr ago
-4
Israel started it in the 1940s.
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DDoubleDDog19 hr ago
+5
Arab nations started that war by invading Israel. If you want we can go all the way back to the time when the Arab Caliphates stole the Jewish homeland as well as the homelands of many other people and colonized them with their own settlers and forced people to convert to Islam. No matter which way you look at it, Israel is the defending nation. You are distorting history.
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golden18lion7716 hr ago
-2
F*** Israel and it's supporters.
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Jamuro22 hr ago
+1
it isn't this is for after the war is concluded ... for stuff like mine sweeping
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SneakT23 hr ago
-5
But this time countries that denounce “special military operation” going to conduct it. Hillarious.
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BruceForsyth5520 hr ago
+3
Oh look an actual pro Putin rando popping in to attempt irony and this one isn’t a bot.
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SneakT9 hr ago
+1
What the actuall f***? How did you conclude that I'm pro Putin?
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nediamnori20 hr ago
-2
The US attack on Iran is very similar to the "special military operation". Which is why very few countries helped the US. But Iran has no right to control the strait so this will be a much easier sell.
Imagine if Ukraine decided to mine and blow up the Bosporus to stop Russian ships. Even Ukraine’s allies would have a hard time defending that.
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WhatMeeWorry1 day ago
-28
There is a way to open Hormuz without a battle. Many will not like it but it will work quite easily: Denuclearize the middle east, have both Iran AND Israel give up their nuclear material.
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Eatpineapplerightnow1 day ago
+21
Great! whats the first step?
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apathetic_revolution1 day ago
+6
I'm putting together a team. We're going to steal all the fissile material from the Middle East. So far I've got me, Danny Ocean, Carmen Sandiego, and Apu.
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SpleenBender20 hr ago
+3
You son of a b****, I'm in.
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Eatpineapplerightnow1 day ago
+2
Bring OP!
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OP_Skis_In_Jeans1 day ago
+13
Go back to the lab and come up with a workable solution instead of this pie-in-the-sky pipe dream in which facts don't matter for starters...
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Rassomir1 day ago
+5
Have we tried.... thoughts and prayers yet?
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OP_Skis_In_Jeans1 day ago
+18
Oh boy where to even start on this one...
First, Israel maintains a policy of nuclear ambiguity, so for this to happen Israel would have to acknowledge having nukes in the first place which it will almost certainly not do.
Second, Iran does not have nukes, so the deal would be fundimentally uneven in Iran's favor.
Third, what kind of security guarantees would be provided and who would enforce them? Both Iran and Israel have regional enemies besides each other (and the US in Iran's case) and any denuclearization deal is likely to embolden those enemies.
Fourth, given what happened to Ukraine, no country will likely even consider giving up nukes unless they have no other option. Who would put this level of pressure on Iran or Israel?
There are many more problems with this plan, but that's enough for now. The fact you describe your solution as "easy" shows conclusively that you have no idea what you're talking about in terms of ME geopolitics.
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Darkone5391 day ago
+1
Israel don't even admit they have nuclear weapons. How can we be sure they are all gone?
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karateninjazombie19 hr ago
-1
Oh ffs! Some thing we really don't want to be getting involved in. But our useless politicians won't listen to us the people when they join in with colossal f*** ups like this.
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Chimpville10 hr ago
+1
This isn’t joining. It’ll only happen when the US stops antagonising and the IRGC stop reacting. It’s giving both sides an off-ramp.
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shab3ng23 hr ago
-6
Genuine question what ship they can realistically deploy?
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