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News & Current Events May 11, 2026 at 4:44 PM

Ukraine fears US will again push a deal giving Russia 'a lot' and Kyiv nothing

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Ukraine fears US will again push a deal giving Russia 'a lot' and Kyiv nothing
The Kyiv Independent
Ukraine fears US will again push a deal giving Russia 'a lot' and Kyiv nothing
The U.S. is attempting to broker a temporary ceasefire deal between Ukraine and Russia in exchange for sanctions relief for Moscow, the Kyiv Independent has learned, trying to revive stalled talks as Washington looks for a foreign policy breakthrough. The effort is already triggering alarm in Kyiv. Sources familiar with the talks say the framework lacks one thing that Kyiv considers essential: security guarantees to prevent Russia from resuming the war. "They want Ukraine to agree to as much

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arvigeus 2 days ago +718
If tomorrow Ukraine musters the strength to push Russia out of all Ukrainian territory, Trump will come out and say they should give it back.
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memenmemen 2 days ago +122
anything outrageous is defo possible
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this_is_a_long_nickn 2 days ago +49
Let me correct that for you “… is _pedo_ possible”
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Ok-Doubt-6324 1 day ago
Depeadophossible.
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EternalCanadian 1 day ago +51
“I told Zelenskyy, I told him, ‘you’ve gotta think of the Babushkas. They sent their sons to war. I said that was a bad idea, but they did. These Babushkas, old ladies, that’s what they call old ladies in Russian, not baboons, Babushkas. These baboons, they sent their sons to war. It was terrible, I said, but they did it. Not like us. I said before I was elected we’d have no new wars, and I just ended that terrible war with Iran. They’re no good people, those Iranians, not like the Russians. I told Zelenskyy, you’ve gotta think of the Russians, they’ve sacrificed so much.”
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Heisenberg_235 1 day ago +31
You can read this in his voice and it sounds so real. Disturbing
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EternalCanadian 1 day ago +19
I tried my best! I think I could have added one other rambling tangent, but I figured it was enough as is, when I posted.
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PapstJL4U 1 day ago +6
the difference between the parody and the original is, that the 'parodeur' thinks about the mental health of the reader. Thank you.
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Armodeen 1 day ago +4
He essentially did say something like this though. Something along the lines of ‘the Russians have lost so much they need to gain something out of it’ but obviously less coherently.
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Niblolkik 1 day ago +6
Putin sacrificed the Russians, not Ukraine
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sg19point3 1 day ago +5
"if I waz the president, I woulda given it back a long time ago..I would, yes...but no sleepy Joe, so sleepy ...and Kamala or as I call her KA-MA-LA...sound Arabic...by the way...No but yes russians, they have big parades during BIDEN admi..admeanesrasion but look at it now, I am the president and no parade in Moscow...not bigly at all...
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Vano_Kayaba 2 days ago +71
That's what is happening right now. Ukraine has pushed Russians out of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk back in 2014. And now Trump and Russia are demanding those cities to start negotiations (even not for a ceasefire, or stopping the war)
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benk4 2 days ago +11
Nah, he'll come and take credit for it all.
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Halinn 1 day ago +6
He'll manage to do both
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Academic_East8298 1 day ago +6
People need to understand, that the reason Trump is supporting Ukraine invasion is because he would love to do the same to US neighbors.
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Leather_Warning702 2 days ago +17
"Very unfair! Many people are saying! Thank you for paying attention to my rear end!"
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Fantastic_Wash56 1 day ago +2
I thought you were going to go down the path of, ‘If Ukraine pushes Russia back, Trump will claim victory and HIS peace talks worked’ - completely overlooking Ukraine’s own efforts. 😅 both paths seem highly likely.
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nekonight 2 days ago +255
What leverage does US still have over Ukraine? Most ammunition comes from European production not US production. Funds comes from the EU and is good for the next half decade. Combat systems are drones now produced locally. The only maybe leverage left is intelligence and France and UK has stepped up already.
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Oxbix 2 days ago +150
NATO like security guarantees from the US after the war. Though I don't know how much those are worth considering the American voter.
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DexJedi 2 days ago +135
How much are security guarantees with Trump still worth though? Threatening allies with tariffs and even invading land has been normalized. The deal you make with them is valid until his next tantrum. His own justice system or even congress are even regularly ignored.
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HumanBackground 2 days ago +54
Security guarantees from US aren't worth a damn, no matter who is the president. The current administration just made it that much more obvious, and any country thinking otherwise are stupidly naive. US hasn't been EU's allied for over a decade, Trump and his administration is just fast forwarding that with their painful incompetence
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willstr1 1 day ago +7
>How much are security guarantees with Trump still worth though? If it's a nice high-quality linen paper, maybe $5
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brezhnervouz 2 days ago +23
> How much are security guarantees with Trump still worth though? How much were they worth with Clinton's signing of the Budapest Memorandum back in the 90s when Ulraine gave all their nukes back to Russia? Its been zero forever 🤷‍♂️
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DexJedi 1 day ago +7
With a pessimistic eye you are correct. And honestly, nothing is guaranteed forever for whatever country. But decades long most at least 'believed' in some of the worth of US guarantees. That little faith really is gone with Trump.
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Thebovinejoni 1 day ago +3
Jesus Christ that’s not what the Budapest memorandum says
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the_3d6 1 day ago +5
Which only underscores that US guaranees are worth exactly nothing - their strict obligation was only to initiate UN security council talks on the situation, and even that wasn't done
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Status-Bluebird-6064 1 day ago
it wasnt a guarantee it was an "assurance" both of these terms are different, they have specific meaning in international affairs, and they were chosen for a reason, because no one was guaranteeing shit, that wasnt the intention, and if ukraine expected anything different they fucked up even more than I thought
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the_3d6 1 day ago +3
In civilized society, if you were forced to sign some papers which make you part with something valuable and not getting anything similarly valuable in return - this is called "fraud" and such papers are deemed to be invalid. You are basically stating that all these countries have zero dignity and can't be trusted
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biscuitarse 20 hr ago +2
Key Aspects of Assurance: Promise or Guarantee: A statement made to inspire confidence (e.g., "He gave his assurance that the work would be completed."
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tortillazaur 1 day ago +1
while i agree that it's not what budapest memorandum says, still literally zero actions were made on budapest memorandum even though there should've been some
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Status-Bluebird-6064 1 day ago +2
thats not what happened, russia was sanctioned after 2014, it wasnt enough, but you are just wrong
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago -15
Trump isn't going to be president for 15 years. Even now he has 2.5 year left
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Low_Chance 2 days ago +18
People who voted him in, obeyed and enabled him are all gonna stick around though
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago -11
In what world does the old team stick around after a presidential election
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nediamnori 2 days ago +17
No country that produced Trump as the president TWICE should be considered a responsible and trusted ally.
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago -15
You know Americans don't think of Europeans when they vote. So an election result isn't directed at Europe nor is it some sort of "message". Americans are thinking of their own issues when they choose and they're are tons of other issues that may or may not be impacted and those are mostly on the periphery of a voters mind
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nediamnori 2 days ago +17
Yes. You don't have to tell me that americans rarely think of things outside of the US when making decisions. And those same issues that made Trump possible twice are exactly why Europe won't trust the US again in any forseable future.
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Heisenberg_235 1 day ago +2
The Americans rarely think full stop. They only care about themselves, and usually it’s only about which ~~sports~~ team they follow i.e. Red or blue.
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Low_Chance 2 days ago +4
Supreme court, congress, etc sticks around Many hires within federal orgs will stick around
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago
Congress is about to get flipped this November You can get rid of the political heads of the federal orgs they don't stick around
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Low_Chance 2 days ago +4
Voters? Supreme court? All the existing infrastructure that simply obeyed him and continued business as usual, much of which existed before this current admin? Trump is a symptom of a rot that goes deep. Even when he and his top heads are gone, that rot will be going strong as ever. Anyone making deals with the US knows this. The voters are still there. The infrastructure is still there. Just because the president and his clique have been swapped does not mean it's safe to trust that country for more than 4 years.
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago -1
Are you aware that Trump is historically unpopular in the US with an approval rating of below 30%
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nediamnori 2 days ago +8
The U.S. was preparing to disengage from Europe long before Trump. The difference is style. Trump is doing it crudely and openly while Obama did it carefully and shrewdly. Do not mistake the incompetence of one American president for a change in America’s core interests. The U.S. does not have the capacity to secure Europe while also preparing for a major confrontation with China. It will choose China, because Europe no longer presents a direct threat to America’s vital interests.
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago +1
Well then it would simply refuse to give a security guarantee in the first place so what are we actually discussing here
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nediamnori 2 days ago +6
Lol, no. It will do something smarter: offer guarantees and simply not honour them. It will make Europe pay for those guarantees in military contracts, political leverage, and strategic dependence. And if it never intended to show up, the smartest move is still to promise it will, collect the benefits, lock in the influence, and then stay home when it matters. Why the hell would they not use that opportunity, it costs them very little. Can we, for a second, not think like little kids?
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Remarkable-Meal-223 2 days ago +1
Well the only solution to that is a European security guarantee
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Top_Seaweed7189 1 day ago +1
You realise the US broke the Budapest memorandum already?
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ButterscotchOk5339 2 days ago +18
I don't think any guarantee given by Trump is worth much, voters or not.
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CND_ 2 days ago +23
Security guarantees from Trump are worthless, just like any other deal he signs. He has tossed away all of his credibility on the world stage. No rational country values anything Trump says.
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John-AtWork 2 days ago +8
Ukraine already had a security guarantee from both Russia and the USA, signed in the 1990s. It didn't do much good.
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nediamnori 2 days ago +11
I don’t understand how anyone can still argue that NATO-like security guarantees for Ukraine are worth much. At this point, it looks more like Europe, (especially its eastern flank) may end up needing security guarantees from Ukraine. And if you seriously believe people from Spain, Belgium, or Germany will be willing to die for Pokrovsk, or Odessa I have a bridge to sell you. By contrast, if Russia ever attacks the Baltic states or Poland, Ukraine would almost certainly use that opening to retake its own territories. That alone would force Russia and Belarus to split focus, stretch their forces, and weaken any attack dramatically.
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Oxbix 2 days ago +22
I'm German and I'm quite satisfied with the cooperation we have with Ukraine. They're the shield of Europe. They're bravely fighting their independence war, leading in drone warfare and I absolutely support them.
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nediamnori 2 days ago +7
I absolutely support them too and I agree that they are the shield of Europe. But this matters very little since it won't be us deciding this.
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bloop7676 1 day ago +5
The NATO thing probably comes from attitudes held over from the early days of the war, thinking that the real European powers could wipe the floor with Russia whenever they wanted. The idea is that you wouldn't need to worry about people from Spain dying in a trench because the air supremacy would bring Russia to their knees effortlessly. Back then people thought of Ukraine as relatively helpless and leaning on NATO saving them as the way to win. I think the optimism about direct NATO power is being shown to be somewhat out of date especially with the Iran war, but it's been around long enough to still be set in a lot of people's minds.
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Top_Seaweed7189 1 day ago +2
You mean the security the US promised Ukraine after they gave up the bombs?
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joper90 1 day ago +1
Worth nothing.
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Sea_Hold_2881 1 day ago +1
>NATO like security guarantees from the US after the war. Worthless. Ukraine needs to insist that Russia make real concessions but it does not have to be specific on what those concessions are. The security guarantees that Ukraine has is its own military.
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_evilalien_ 16 hr ago +1
Nothing. For any of us. The US gave them guarantees for surrendering their nuclear arsenal. The US is an unreliable ally.
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arvigeus 2 days ago +34
Starlink. Also, Trump could block the EU from supplying U.S.-made weapons to Ukraine. I have zero doubt Trump can always sink lower.
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Blue_Rook 2 days ago +24
Musk doesn't give charity for Ukraine- Starlink is paid by countries supporting Ukraine like Poland. Musk wouldn't allow it not only because it would hurt him financially in short term but also because he would lose future european customers and risk creation of competitors.
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to_glory_we_steer 1 day ago +3
He literally turned off Starlink for Ukraine on 2 occasions and it took multiple European countries threatening to cancel their contracts with Starlink to restore coverage. Ukrainian coverage was purchased under their contracts, not as any act of charity from Starlink, Musk or America.
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Bregir 1 day ago +1
Which seems to support the point that he won't try that again.
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to_glory_we_steer 1 day ago +2
The fact that it happened ever for a mission critical system though... It's hugely damaging to the faith any country can place in Starlink.  Having the owner turn it off because he's got the heebie-jeebies, is so far outside of what's acceptable from a risk management perspective.
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chillebekk 2 days ago +11
There are lots of small things, like withholding Patriot missiles or parts for all the American gear in Ukraine. It's not as much as it was, but there are some unpleasant steps they could still take to make things worse for Ukraine. I'm not sure it's politically viable to go from non-support to actively sabotaging Ukraine, though. The intelligence sharing is probably quite valuable for the US, they will be getting valuable intel in return.
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Tammer_Stern 1 day ago +9
They’re probably low on Patriot missiles given the Iran War?
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chillebekk 1 day ago +2
Yes, but so far they have prioritized Ukraine over e.g. Switzerland. The whole Iran war is very inconvenient in that regard.
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CustomerBusiness3919 2 days ago +12
Trump could lift sanctions or start supplying ruzzia with arms.
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nekonight 2 days ago +13
Russia wouldn't know what to do. They dont understand the concept of a pallet and a forklift.
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xmuskorx 2 days ago -3
Lift sanctions - yes. Supplying ruzzia with arms is not really political feasible. It's illegal per US law, and would also be the end of NATO.
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RaverSMS 2 days ago +12
"Its illegal per US law" lmao
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xmuskorx 2 days ago +2
I know US judicial system was degraded but not to this extent.
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RaverSMS 2 days ago +11
I mean its only year 2 of pedo pres. Ill just say I wouldnt be surprised
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lostapathy 1 day ago +1
Let's not test it, just in case.
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veemondumps 2 days ago +7
US sanctions have significantly weakened Russia's economy and prevent Russia from obtaining US components for their military industry, at least at a mass production level. Yes, Russia isn't ever going to be able to buy something like a Tomahawk, but without sanctions they could buy a lot of off the shelf electronic equipment that would significantly increase their capabilities. Also, the biggest thing that Ukraine wants as part of a peace deal is a security guarantee. The EU cannot credibly offer that - obviously the EU can guarantee whatever they want, but nobody takes the EU seriously as far as military capabilities or resolve to commit to military action. The US is the only country that can credibly offer a security guarantee. Finally, nothing that Ukraine is getting from the EU will let them win the war. At best they can just drag things out, but they'll continue to be stuck in what is, at best, a stalemate. At *some point* Ukraine will run out of manpower, and then no amount of EU aid will do anything to help them. In other words, all the EU can do is to perpetuate the current situation, and not indefinitely. The US can provide what it takes to end the war - either by letting Russia win or providing Ukraine with what it needs to feel safe going forward.
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darthdelicious 1 day ago +1
And who would trust a US security guarantee now? The Budapest Memorandum has been pretty weak sauce for Ukraine. They gave us their nuclear weapons to avoid what is happening right now.
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Calimariae 1 day ago +1
Capability to shoot down ballistic missiles is bought from the U.S and there are currently few alternatives. When the U.S pulls out completely and blocks off Europe from buying arms Ukraine won't be able to shoot down ballistic millies.
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Leather_Warning702 2 days ago
Can threaten to invade them on behalf of Putin 
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Darkone539 2 days ago -13
>Most ammunition comes from European production not US production This is unfortunately incorrect, Europe is buying weapons from the usa for Ukraine.
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MiguelAGF 2 days ago +11
It is not incorrect. EU is indeed buying some weapons to fill specific gaps (think about missiles for the Patriot batteries, for example), but almost all the kit and ammo nowadays is made either in Ukraine or the EU.
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RaverSMS 2 days ago +9
Nope, this changed as Rheinmetal is now providing the largest Portion of ammunition
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Darkone539 1 day ago -6
Source? I have seen they are producing the most but not that it's going to Ukraine?
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xmuskorx 2 days ago -2
US still shared intelligence and sells weapons. In theory USA can stop doing both. It's lot LESS leverage compared to when USA was donating weapons (which is how Biden for example managed to ask Ukraine to bot hit oil facilities in Russian), but it's still some leverage.
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someocculthand 1 day ago +2
Hasn't the US been pretty much blocked from intelligence sharing after it turned out they leak information to russia?
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Euclidisthebomb 2 days ago +36
Trump is desperate for a "win" that he can tout to his acolytes in the run up to the mid-terms. He keeps on attempting to give away Ukraine, and attempt to crush allies in trade talks (Canada being a constant target). And keeps on failing. His limited intellectual capacity does not allow him to grasp that the further he pushes Europe & Canada away from him with his various trade tactics and tirades on military dependence the less they are inclined to support any of his positions on Ukraine.
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Niibler 2 days ago +35
I'm surprised Trump didn't announce a "peace" keeping US force to secure the land russia robbed from Ukraine at this point.
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skwerrel 2 days ago +8
Don't give him ideas
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Werftflammen 1 day ago +2
"Boots in the ground"
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brokeboipobre 2 days ago +31
again will push? more likely 100% guaranteed to push same deal again.
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CompetitiveAd1226 2 days ago +34
I too, have this fear
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Leather_Warning702 2 days ago +8
Remember when we could just ignore the news without living in constant fear of the next insane thing of the week happening? Pepperidge farm remembers 
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gravtix 2 days ago +15
It shouldn’t even be a fear. They should just expect it and plan accordingly.
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Sanhen 1 day ago +7
I imagine they are planning for it. I think a small part of that plan is to say/leak things that encourage the publication of articles like this that result in a degree of preemptive pushback from people/nations friendly to Ukraine.
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DefrockedWizard1 2 days ago +10
trump has absolutely no say in the matter
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John-AtWork 2 days ago +10
The US has no cards when it comes to Ukraine thanks to Trump.
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Syke_qc 2 days ago +8
Dont accept the rapist deal
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groovyinutah 1 day ago +9
I'm sorry to tell you Ukraine but the shitstain is compromised and easily manipulated and your going to have to kick them out on your own...good luck, we're rooting for you and are quite frankly amazed at how well you've done.
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Abject_Rhubarb_3430 1 day ago +6
Why dont they just stop using the US as the mediator?
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Ok_Calligrapher_1306 1 day ago +6
Don’t count on Trump to be helpful. That’s for sure.
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NoRelief1063 1 day ago +4
You simply cannot trust the americans
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sullyball008 2 days ago +3
Trumps deals are always bullshit
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Ithaqua-Yigg 1 day ago +3
Trump should not be involved as he loves and worships Putin as a strong leader and a tough guy.
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LewisKIII 2 days ago +5
The US can push whatever it wants, Ukraine does not have to take anything! Ukraine is literally making most of their weapons and Europe has stepped up and is helping supply weapons, intelligence, and money! Ukraine is getting some weapons material from the US but not near as much before. I don't even know why the US is trying to mediate, they have been on the Russian's side since day one. Trump is Putin's lap dog! Ukraine should say we are done with the US being a middle man, we want Turkey to be the new middle man and we will meet the Russians there.
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44Stryker44 2 days ago +2
That’s a reasonable fear
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academic_partypooper 2 days ago +2
All the drone tech in the world won’t save them from US death grip friendship
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NotSupposeToSpeak 2 days ago +2
He will.
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Wayofchinchilla 1 day ago +2
Why be afraid though just refuse it's clear Ukraine isn't going to get what they want until Trump's gone and the United States actually appoints sensible leadership.
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Mo_Jack 1 day ago +2
The US is not pushing this, it is the Trump administration.
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sheppi22 1 day ago +2
And they’re probably right. Trump Is putins puppy. I’m sure they know he’s not to be trusted Ukraine knows how to take care of itself
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Not_a_cultmember 1 day ago +2
I think at this point, Ukraine don't have to continue kissing that POS's ass. Putzin is running scared.
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BNB_Laser_Cleaning 1 day ago +2
Trump*
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Confident_Client_414 1 day ago +2
Expect it.
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R-tardGPT 1 day ago +2
This is why you shouldn't have pedophiles in charge of a f****** government because enemy nations can blackmail them into obedience
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rvretiredlife 1 day ago +2
Just dump Trump. You don't need him. Use the EU and shut Russia down.
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TabernacleofTerror 2 days ago +2
Well if daddy trump can't handle iran, maybe he can handle ukraine by giving russia a deal. I'm sure that russia will help bring gas prices down, which we'll just say "biden did that".
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BioAnagram 2 days ago +2
If you are going to just wash your hands of both parties and leave them hanging it's not rational to then pretend like you have any power over them. US leverage over Russia is about the same as it has been and that has not been enough to result in any kind of peace. US leverage over Ukraine is weaker now compared to before Trump. Ukraine has less to loose as most of what could be used as leverage has already been removed. As a consequence the US has LESS power and influence then before. The Ukraine war will be resolved in Europe by Europeans. The US should maybe work on Iran before the entire world economy collapses.
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Mikkel65 2 days ago -2
As if leverage over Ukraine moved us towards peace. You need two to negotiate a deal, and Trump only had leverage over the party already at the table.
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ParanoidFactoid 2 days ago +3
Trump had no leverage at all. It was Putin who has leverage over Trump.
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SJWTumblrinaMonster 2 days ago +1
Setting aside historical precedent, what on earth would make them worry about that? Once again, ignoring everything that has happened before...
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ungerecht 2 days ago +1
The Art of the Deal
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brezhnervouz 2 days ago +1
I would say its pretty much guaranteed by this point.
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macross1984 1 day ago +1
Hope Europe can muster enough counterweight to blunt any BS deal that Trump "offer" will surely gut Ukraine if allowed to become reality.
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innocent_lemon 1 day ago +1
I would hate that choice.
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maga235 1 day ago +1
Ukraine is stupid if they approve and/or accept it
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smltor 1 day ago +1
Is everyone offering to hold peace talks to stop a war in the middle of a different war with someone else? FIFA is going to run out of peace prizes!
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tomgratz 1 day ago +1
Trump is Putin’s b****. Disgusting !
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Fomdoo 1 day ago +1
Until Putin uses the pee pee tape he has on Trump, there's no reason anything will change.
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Grumpy-Man19 1 day ago +1
Just Austria accused Ukraine of taking in 20 billion euros over the last few years. USA and the EU poured a fortune into that country. What more does Z want?
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hazysummersky 1 day ago +1
Why would they think that? Because Donald Trump is a Russian stooge, or is there another reason?
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Agreeable-Onion-5445 1 day ago +1
Abolish the VETO act in NATO and let Europe take control.
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Ojntoast 1 day ago +1
Ukraine still thinking the US is on their side at all is just insanity at this point.
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Haru1st 1 day ago +1
It’s all theater. Until Russia announces it is abandoning the territories it annexed from Ukraine since 2014 and lays out a framework for paying reparations for violating THEIR OWN COMMITMENTS according to the Budapest Memorandum, it’s just another ploy.
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Maleficent-Steak2199 23 hr ago +1
Firepoint, a private Ukrainian miltech manufacturer, announced that somewhere in summer Ukraine will have its own ballistic missiles, roughly an analogy od Atacams, but twice as c****. Ukraine is developing it's own air defence anti-balloatic shield, which will be several times as c**** as American Patriots. Ukraine will not have any killswitches, unlike Patriots, where you have to get an approval from the manufacturer for each ,(type of) target. So it seems both Russia and America are desperate to stop Ukraine asap at where it is and prevent it from further development.
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BChurchmountain 14 hr ago +1
Ultimately it’s Ukraines decision to accept the deal or not.
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androvich17 2 days ago +1
A Russian asset through and through
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drdoom52 1 day ago
It must needs be said. Trump is a bully and rapist. He's the exact kind of person who would beat you up for your lunch, then notice you have a tube of yogurt (which he hates) and give it back then feel like he's being magnanimous by doing so. So of course he sides with Russia. He doesn't understand the concept of it being wrong to hurt others ro get what you want.
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Common-Ad6470 2 days ago +1
Trump and Putin both need to f*** right off with regard to Ukraine.
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