Nice to see the shackles off the EU thanks to Hungary
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crakemonk1 day ago
+331
I am curious what this means for Ukraine’s EU and NATO membership. I’m thinking it’s positive!
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jpschack1 day ago
+275
No change for NATO - won’t happen any time soon. For the EU membership it’s definitely positive but it’s still years away.
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RyanBLKST1 day ago
+101
Also wartime is terrible for democracy, Ukraine will need time to adjust but they will manage eventually.
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lutel1 day ago
+16
It will happen sooner than most people think. Ukraine is crucial for NATO and West security.
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alus9921 day ago
+51
Not before they stabilize and fix their corruption problem - EU and NATO would fear the repeat of the Hungary case.
No one knows how cooperative Ukraine would be without Zelensky and this unknown is not some easy obstacle to ignore.
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_R0Ns_9 hr ago
+2
At this point Ukraine is less corrupt than some NATO members.
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ChangsManagement1 day ago
+8
NATO articles state that a prospective member cant currently be engaged in ~~combat~~ territorial disputes. The war will have to end before they can join or NATO ammends its rules to allow them anyway.
Edit: NATO articles dont mandate it but it is a requirement in practice. My other comment explains more.
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purekillforce11 day ago
+1
I think it's specifically territory/boundary disputes. So as long as Russia can keep that going, they can keep them out of NATO.
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ChangsManagement1 day ago
+3
Decided to look it up.
>"In practice, diplomats and officials have stated that having no territorial disputes is a prerequisite to joining NATO, as a member with such a dispute would be automatically considered under attack by the occupying entity. However, West Germany joined NATO in 1955 despite having territorial disputes with East Germany and other states until the early 1970s."
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO)
So, as I understand it, the requirement is not legally mandated by the treaty but arises from the fact that any member state can bring up issues with a potential member. Territorial disputes being a shared concern by many members.
It ends up being about the same as what you said though at the end of the day. Russia can keep them out as long as Europe doesnt want to go war (they really dont, except maybe Poland).
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theMechannic1 day ago
-1
It could, if US exits. NATO will say how do we fill the gap 🤷♂️
-1
Consistent-Throat1301 day ago
+46
EU chances improve, but I'm doubtful they'll take them in while involved in hot conflict.
NATO... the blocker there is the US
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RyanBLKST1 day ago
+38
Ukraine will not join any defense treaty pact while actively fighting Russia.
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Stlaind1 day ago
+15
Nor realistically without either regaining or giving up claim on the territory occupied by Russia.
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Consistent-Throat1301 day ago
+4
That's an entirely separate matter from even being allowed into mutual defense agreements.
That piece of turf, alone, isn't going to end this conflict.
If they're fighting someone, mutual defense becomes a non-starter.
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Stlaind1 day ago
+10
It actually is going to prevent them from joining NATO even were the conflict to end today. NATO has only once allowed countries in when they aren't territorially complete - when Greece and Turkey joined at the same time. And neither was allowed in until it was both being accepted jointly. And it's been a something that has haunted NATO ever since with both countries acting very provocativly to the other with hopes that the other goes too far ever since.
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Lirael_Gold22 hr ago
+2
They *can't* take them in during a hot conflict, for reasons that are quite obvious.
They were kinda sorta on the "okay well sort your shit out and we'll talk" list in 2015, they are absolutely not on the list at all now, not with Russia occupying a swathe of Ukrainian territory and actively waging war against them.
Induction into NATO *requires* that the new member not be part of an ongoing conflict because NATO's treaties require that *all* members of NATO come to to any members defense.
Ukraine cannot join NATO because it would immediately trigger Article 5 and uh, nobody else in NATO wants to throw hands with Russia right now (or ever)
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Chucknastical1 day ago
+12
New PM of Hungary is weary of Ukraine's full EU membership. Opposes fast-tracking Ukraine into EU.
Still playing up the nationalist rhetoric around treatment of Hungarian minority community in Ukraine.
Recognizes Russia as the aggressor (huge step forward) but is lukewarm on military solutions to conflict compared to other EU nations. Looking for diplomatic solutions (between the lines, likely supports and will push for Ukraine ceding territory).
Generally, he's way better for Ukraine than Orban but he's not exactly a "Pro-Ukraine" politician either.
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Lowjack_261 day ago
+34
They're not pro-Ukraine, but - critically - they are no longer **anti-Ukraine.** Hungary really only mattered because they were holding up other countries trying to help; now that's no longer their game.
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AgedAmbergris12 hr ago
+1
Exactly. And it's the difference between a party that spouts nationalist rhetoric while selling out the country to the Kremlin and one that seems to actually mean it.
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Jamaz1 day ago
+14
They are anti-Russian interference and anti-cocksucking Putin at least. "We wish you the best, but not our problem," is a million times better than "Ukraine must lose so that our PM can keep receiving bribes!"
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Kahgar1 day ago
+3
As long as he’s not actively blocking the rest of the EU with vague quid pro quo or stalling support packages for his Russian overlords. The EU as a whole is 10 steps forward.
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Implausibilibuddy21 hr ago
+3
> New PM of Hungary is weary of Ukraine's full EU membership
Sorry to correct you, but it does change the meaning significantly: it's wary.
If anything, until recently it was Ukraine growing weary of Hungary's EU membership.
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Beepulons1 day ago
+2
NATO membership will probably never happen, I'm afraid. Since that requires total unanimity and there is unanimity for that
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AgedAmbergris12 hr ago
+2
NATO membership isn't going to happen while there's a hot war. However, that's not going to stop European nations from looking to Ukraine, with its rapidly expanding defense industry, for defense partnerships. Funding Ukraine has always been a high ROI proposition for any European country within glide bomb range of Russia, but as Ukraine is gradually becoming an exporter specializing in exactly the technologies EU nations need to counter Russian aggression, the returns are more tangible.
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echokalos1 day ago
+3
Why do people think Ukraine will join any of these? Im pro Ukraine, but as long as they are at war there's no way of them joining any, and there's is not even a point to them joining EU now, they get funding to keep fighting. After the war they would need to make many changes before starting long process of EU candidate. Many things can change until that point, but it's years or decades away. And for NATO membership, why do you think they would ever get it?
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Immediate-Spite-59051 day ago
+1
still no NATO yet, Ukraine is at war still
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Tricky-Interview21941 day ago
+1
During wartime??
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EaLordoftheDepths1 day ago
Nothing, both discussions are pointless with the way the war is currently
0
EL-YEO1 day ago
+1
They'll be put back on soon once Radev takes power in Bulgaria
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Manovsteele1 day ago
+662
Glad this got pushed through before Bulgaria's new Putin-loving leader gets elected and took over the veto!
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Siny_AML1 day ago
+225
I was super worried about this very thing. Glad our European allies aren’t f****** around.
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Dracomortua1 day ago
+22
The Veto aught be three (3) cuntries. Sorry, typo.
I am leaving it, fukkit.
But seriously? Say we get the Netherlands, a land about the size of Canada's Lake Ontario, to decide all of europe is to sit and shit for eternity. What then? NL gotcher by da nutzak, zorry. je kan nix doen. Grapje.
That sucks and then some. What if Luxembourg does it? A small town between there and there? Beyond silly, sorry.
Edit: i miss that NL language! Such a silly yet profoundly expressivel tongue. It is like sand... it gets... everywhere.
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PixelsGoBoom1 day ago
+48
GDP wise the Netherlands ranks 5th of the 27 EU members...
Honestly, I feel they have very little say in the EU of which they were a founding member.
But I agree that a single country blocking the will of 26 others is asinine.
Hungary was pretty much a rogue EU member, preventing it from operating properly.
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__Yakovlev__1 day ago
+17
That's a horrible comparison because the Netherlands is actually one of the healthiest countries in the EU, a net contributor and one of the founding members. Unlike a shit hole like Bulgaria.
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EthanHermsey1 day ago
+5
"Gotcher by da nutzak, zorry. je kan nix doen. Grapje." 🤣
That's the weirdest dutch I've ever read, well done!
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Fickle-Economist47241 day ago
+2
The problem is, each member having a veto has probably been a contributor to the fact only the stupid pricks in the UK have been the only ones to leave the union so far.
If the veto were raised to three countries we’d probably see frustration and dissatisfaction creep in faster, not necessarily to say more would have definitively left, but the sentiment that lead to Brexit would be prolific throughout Europe
I’m not saying the veto isn’t bullshit, but there needs to be a mechanism by which countries can oppose policy without needing backing from others, otherwise there will come a point where one country has been steamrolled so often that they find membership isn’t worth it anymore
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FlossCat1 day ago
+6
Tô be fair they'll probably be having another election within 6 months in Bulgaria anyway, as has been the tradition for years
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hihimorius16 hr ago
+2
Stop spreading propaganda lies .You don't know nothing about Bulgaria. This is not only annoying, but it borders on discrimination.
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Quazimojojojo1 day ago
+3
Bulgaria's New leader isn't nearly as Putin loving as you seem to think. And he's more pro EU and pro Nato than Pro -Putin, so he's very unlikely to be a constant thorn in their side like Orbán was. He isn't willing to risk the relationship by blocking things constantly.
He's hardly a Ukraine champion, but he's not the enemy Orbán was
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UnsightedShadow1 day ago
+5
Really, *really* f****** hope you're right. Can you tell me more about the guy?
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Quazimojojojo1 day ago
+3
I am not the most informed by a long shot, so I'm waiting for more reporting, but my current opinion is taken from this reporting. The channel does a pretty good job of digging under the sensationalism and describing pros and cons from the perspective of the group/country/person they're describing, so I trust them as a fact-focused news source.
https://youtu.be/krlNj7vTCbg?si=3arBSlI0PWHe5p-i
I also hope it's right, but time will tell. Orbán was kind of uniquely blunt in his attempts to help Russia.
And the EU is talking about reforming the unanimous voting requirement for foreign policy now that Orbán is gone. Like, quickly.
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Zenthere1 day ago
+2
Thanks for the channel and video recommendations
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joancarles691 day ago
+105
If I was Orban, I would not sleep at night now that he's not going to be protected by gov.
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Slight-Hedgehog2591 day ago
+36
I would stay away from windows if I was him
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Dragonbuttboi691 day ago
+7
Will he swap to macOS or Linux?
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metaglot1 day ago
+6
I think they mean dangerOS
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Al_Keda1 day ago
+9
Building codes are lax in Hungary, people fall out of them all the time.
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Ginsenj1 day ago
+28
He is going to America the pedo squad, won't deport him.
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medicalmosquito1 day ago
+1
wtf? First Bolsanaro, and now Orban? Let me guess, Maduro will get off and then we’re stuck with him too. We’ve also got Netanyahu’s family so we know where he’ll flee to when shit finally goes south for him. Jesus Christ the US is becoming the dumping ground for the world’s shittiest people
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4ha11 day ago
+1
US would have the opportunity to do the funniest thing if it ever were to have a real, democratic elected president again.
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BKong641 day ago
+1
They should lock his ass up and throw the key away.
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Low_Dream_69601 day ago
+114
F*** yeah Hungary, way to change the course of history with your votes
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Kronosz141 day ago
+12
Thanks, im smiling much more since we won :D
Now we need to stay aware and watch our government to make sure they do what they promised.
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Allaboutpeace20221 day ago
+235
I am so relieved that Ukraine has access to more support.
I wish there was a way to ensure that sanction loopholes are closed for Russia.
Maybe if Vance visited Putin more it might lead to the Russians raising up and throwing Putin out.
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ScaryBluejay871 day ago
+69
Or Vance’s special pontiff treatment
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madhi191 day ago
+13
This is why Putin has a insanely long table...
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Jackbuddy781 day ago
+15
Vance would probably be too liberal for Russians honestly. He's not homophobic, racist, or aggressive enough to capture their attention.
This is a country where a prerequisite for running it is that you have to be as evil as possible. I'm pretty sure 5/7 of their leaders in the last century have committed a genocide.
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ProofByVerbosity1 day ago
+14
And hes kind of a weak b****. Doesn't play well there.
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Allaboutpeace20221 day ago
+2
Well, we certainly know Stalin killed millions.
I was just kidding around about Vance campaigning for Orban and then Orban losing. Visiting Pope Francis and then the Pope dies. So, I was hoping Vance visiting Putin might be disastrous for Putin.
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Biopain1 day ago
-1
Loopholes lol, maybe you should stop buying its oil and gas for a start?
-1
Allaboutpeace20221 day ago
-1
Yes, of course, that is true now.
But there have been ways Russia circumvented some of the US sanctions the entire time.
-1
Jerzylo1 day ago
The point of sanctions was never to completely block Russia but the fact that circumventing them is expensive. They have to go through middle men who all want a cut.
Of course in an ideal world more pressure would be applied but Russia is suffering under the current sanctions too
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Allaboutpeace20221 day ago
+1
This is all very true. Unfortunately, it does not seem that the economic pressure has led to rethinking the war and withdrawing.
I am hopeful that at some point that Russia will have a moment like they did with Afghanistan and decide that they just want out. My understanding a lot of the pressure came from families with dead or injured soldiers. However, that took forever and Putin seems to have a much greater ability to silence dissent.
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Optimal-Ad-70741 day ago
+84
this is why all the "kick Hungary out"ers were wrong: because Hungary was always going to be there, but Orbàn was not. coulda kicked them out and let them team up with Russia outright.
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maybelying1 day ago
+58
Doesn't change the underlying problem of one single corrupt government being able to undermine the entire EU from within.
Kicking Hungary out would have, at least, sent a message. I get that it's not fair to the Hungarians that never supported Orban, but it is a serious issue. Change the rules so that newly admitted countries can't arbitrarily veto or something similar, and then readmit Hungary. It would certainly force countries like Bulgaria of Slovakia to rethink how they're willing to engage with everyone else.
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LokiBG1 day ago
+29
This is just a recipe for complete EU disintegration. I agree that the rules should be changed so that a single country shouldn't unilaterally block an issue, but kicking one out to "send a message" is crazy talk.
Who is sending message to who? Western European countries are fine, but the others need a lesson? Should we kick France out if they go far right? Not to mention getting countries out of the EU and NATO, especially from its former sphere of influence, is exactly what Russia wants.
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Midraco1 day ago
-4
Maybe EU disintegration is what is needed. Let the core build up again and reinvent how EU functions in a more dynamic and powerful way.
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Optimal-Ad-70741 day ago
+2
I hear you, but otoh, the definition of "arbitrary" is in itself a grey call. and long-established member nations can go bad too.
ditch every country that (mis?) uses veto and I think it would incentivize Putin, if anything. it's hard to deploy tough love safely when there's a real strongman waiting around your margins.
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klauwaapje1 day ago
+2
All this kicking out talk is nonsense anyway , since a country can never be kicked out of the EU.
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Vanthan1 day ago
+20
Drones are going to eat well.
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badger707_XXL1 day ago
+45
Death to all invaders on Ukraine soil, no mercy.
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soothukundi1 day ago
+17
Not just Ukraine, to all invaders everywhere. Israel, Iraq and etc. Fk all of them.
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tcat66561 day ago
+6
Careful Icarus...
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Nearby-Nebula41041 day ago
-3
Careful Icarus…
-3
scheppend1 day ago
-15
Iraq I get, invaded by the US. But who is invading Israel??
-15
soothukundi1 day ago
+6
Israel is the one doing the invasion.
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Retroranges1 day ago
+1
Too bad the Banderas cult doesn‘t think the same about Nazis
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Nvveen1 day ago
+1
Now why would you bring up such a specific figure... Could it be because it's about the middle of the workday in Moscow?
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Finngrove1 day ago
+12
Thank citizens of Hungary who got out and voted at a rate of 78% of the population. That is how we all have to fight authoritarianism. Slava Ukraine.
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ToasterYetiRanch1 day ago
+36
Amazing how fast “principled objections” disappear when political winds shift. Loan’s good news for Ukraine, but the EU should really tie future funds to clear rule-of-law benchmarks, or this drama repeats.
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Mewhomewhy1 day ago
+18
The road to EU membership is tied to various things. The loan will be tied to requirements to be repaid.
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space_for_username1 day ago
+5
War debt is pretty long term. The UK paid off the US and Canada for WWII debt in 2006, but the UK still owes money from WWI.
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WasteProfession89481 day ago
+3
>the EU should really tie future funds to clear rule-of-law benchmarks
Can you elaborate?
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Specific_Success2141 day ago
+2
The EU has grown to 27 nations.
They need to amend, to stop one rouge having veto power.At most 23-24 out of 27 to pass the most important resolutions.
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oldsecondhand1 day ago
+1
That and more audits for how the funds are spent.
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AliceLunar1 day ago
+14
Gotta do something to counter America and Russia's effort to destroy Ukraine.
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I_Like_To_Hyuck1 day ago
-30
America is not trying to destroy Ukraine 🙄 We all know how much of a farce the orange shit stain is, but at least get your basic facts straight. Anything for upvotes of course
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Bauzi1 day ago
+19
About one week ago the vice president said in a public speech, that getting rid of aid to Ukraine was the administration's biggest achievement so far.
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Ok-Hair72051 day ago
+2
What a bimbo that guy is. And my apologies to all you OG bimbos.
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I_Like_To_Hyuck1 day ago
-2
First of all, lack of support /= “trying to destroy” a country. But again, you’ll say anything for upvotes 🙄
The US has provided over $180B in aid since the war started. And support continues to be provided in the form of intelligence
Never tried to claim that the US is being a great and selfless ally these days. Just refuting the nonsensical claim that the US is trying to destroy Ukraine. Basket cases you all are
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hetantwoordis421 day ago
+14
Facts like the usa not delivering weapons to Ukraine that have already been paid for by the EU?
The usa can f*** right off.
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AliceLunar1 day ago
+2
America dropped support for Ukraine a year ago and is actively lifting sanctions on Russia whilst seemingly not delivering weapons that Europe paid for either.
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Ok-Hair72051 day ago
+1
It sure looks like Trump and Vance want Ukraine to collapse!
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I_Like_To_Hyuck1 day ago
-2
Ok clanker
-2
BusyHands_1 day ago
+25
Pootin probably reamed out Trump for sending Couch F***** to Hungary. Hes got a opposite of the Midas touch
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nouseforaname7901 day ago
+19
Mierdas touch.
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NanquansCat7491 day ago
+1
A worthy challenger to Timmy's Mom.
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SayNoToFirefighters1 day ago
-9
posting with that avatar is a whole new level of confidence especially in such a big sub. aren't you worried of being doxxed lol...
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THEGREATESTDERP1 day ago
+3
He has no avatar?
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Loafwad1 day ago
+5
You have to click his profile to see it... i would recommend you didnt
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crakemonk1 day ago
+4
I’m really grateful for NSFW blurring.
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Nicholas-Steel1 day ago
+2
One of the benefits of Old Discord, no avatars, no signatures, just message content.
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Mewhomewhy1 day ago
+2
There is no avatar. Why would they be doxxed?
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spudmarsupial1 day ago
Does he have anything to be ashamed of? Or is that what upsets you. :-P
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totallyhumanhonest1 day ago
Poo. Tin.
Shit. Box.
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santz0071 day ago
+4
Imagine if Americans went out and voted in US in 2024...
Americans have only themselves to blame and the rest of the world is now with multiple wars and blames them too (rightfully)
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Ntroepy1 day ago
+3
I’m curious what role Orban’s action against Ukraine played in his defeat.
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abarcsa1 day ago
+24
Not really his actions against Ukraine, but rather his antagonism towards the EU. Voters felt that this was an important decision on whether we want to be part of the west vs the east of Europe. Considering our history, this was an easy choice for a lot of Hungarians and a blunder from Orban to make this an issue that people felt was important.
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BusyHands_1 day ago
+5
He aligned with the Couch F*****.
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Ntroepy1 day ago
+5
Was that really the primary reason vs Orban’s long standing support for Russia and antagonism towards the EU?
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HungarianNoble1 day ago
+2
Not really, most hungarians dont even know who jd vance is, systematic corruption, fm being outed as a russian tool played a great part tho
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BigBirdsBrain1 day ago
+2
Mostly macro support. Budget stabilization, infrastructure, and some defense, not just missiles and drones.
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user_waitforiit_name1 day ago
+2
Anyone wondering, Orbán is still in power. The new government will form in early May. It's just Orbán trying to save some face, but it's really funny ngl. The main message of their propaganda was that the opposition will bankrupt the country by sending all our money to Ukraine, yet here he is approving it. So moronic
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auchinleck9171 day ago
+2
Most of the money will be used to place orders with military industries such as Rheinmetall, and then transferred to Ukraine. Ukraine will then accumulate debt, and a portion of the funds will likely go unaccounted for.
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Retroranges1 day ago
+5
The hard truth the saber rattlers won‘t see. It‘s all funding for the war machine. And the military industrial complex wants to keep it that way, they have vested interest in it.
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New-Detective50961 day ago
+2
exactly, in the end, all this money is for weapons and will go to the owners of Rheinmetall and Co.
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auchinleck9171 day ago
+1
If we focus solely on money without considering Russia or Ukraine, then taking on too much debt is pointless and will only lead to hardship after the war. And this money will enrich the defense industry before going to Ukraine. It's money that kills two birds with one stone.
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Th0rizmund1 day ago
+1
Hungary didn’t change votes - it already voted for it because it doesn’t have to pay for the loan at all. It just finally signed it off.
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meldiane8121 hr ago
+1
Good on everyone involved.
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madhi191 day ago
+1
That's a lot of c**** drones... Or maybe a good quantity of very long range missiles...
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DeFex1 day ago
+1
Killer robots now as well.
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Dolphin_King211 day ago
-4
Can someone please explain what the 106 billion is for? Weapons? Drones? Rebuilding? Where does all the money go? Im genuinely curious.
-4
HungarianNoble1 day ago
+2
It is to fill in ukraine's budget holes and as far as i know ukraine is forced to spend a big chunk of it buying weapons strictly from european companies
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Defiant-Economics-731 day ago
+2
I was thinking the same thing? Are they giving actual cash or they giving most of it in weapons valued at that? Also, do they require accounting for it if it is cash or do they request money for X thing and then they write them a check for it like a credit line?
Not saying it’s not good just curious about the details.
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Froesi1231 day ago
Lets gooooo. But this way of spelling out amount and currency makes me angry. Just be normal yanks .... 106 Billion $ isn't hard to spell
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HistorianOk1421 day ago
Go Ukraine! Kick the Russians asses now. Keep developing those incredible long range strike drones against Russia and show the dump admin what they missed out on. All those incredible new technologies and battlefield tech to launch a combined ground and air drone assault. I mean it’s asinine the U.S. doesn’t / didn’t want that and to see how poorly we’ve performed against Iran in the Middle East. You would think the pentagon would be “chomping at the bit” to get ahold of that new c**** affordable stuff to launch it in mass and be able to handle drones defensively as well as offensively.
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Antagonist0071 day ago
-1
And right after that, they bombed part of the Hungary pipeline. It's funny, if you don't live in Hungary.
-1
Skitzke11 day ago
-1
This is a joke, right?
-1
expomac1 day ago
-35
EU finally putting on their big boy pants huh?
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SuggestionMedical7361 day ago
+28
Not True. There was this demon named Orban who kept using his veto the whole time. Believe me, most people have wanted this for a very long time. My electric bill has doubled because of this war, and even if I had to pay five times as much, I would still do it to stop the Russian aggression, like most people in the Netherlands would.
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BusyHands_1 day ago
+22
Why do users like think you sound smart by saying the dumbest f****** shit...
Their efforts were always blocked by Putin's other asset, Orban who recently lost the election in Hungary
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expomac1 day ago
-46
Breathe, buddy
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Mewhomewhy1 day ago
+21
He’s not wrong. It was a moronic reply.
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HeyRooster421 day ago
-1
Who had "Hungary to the rescue" on their Bingo card?
-1
MetaCalm1 day ago
-3
So 20% of Ukraine was taken over by Russia. Then they signed 50% of right to resources to Trump and Co for who knows what and now the rest goes as collateral for this loan who everyone knows will never be paid back.
-3
Vivid_Elephant292223 hr ago
-3
Honteux de verser autant d'argent de contribuables européens à un pays qui est le plus corrompu d'Europe depuis très longtemps. Les 3 quarts partent dans les poches des politiques, de leurs proches, des militaires. Il n'y a qu'à voir le nombre d'Ukrainiens millionnaires de partout dans le monde actuellement, à Monaco, en Suisse, Dubaï, Côte d'Azur, etc Argent volé par un des dirigeants qui haïssent leur propre peuple, sa langue, sa religion, son histoire, ses racines. Zelensky et ses sbires agissent en tant qu'administrateurs coloniaux, pillant le pays pour enrichir leurs maîtres et d'enrichir au passage. Le financement de l'Ukraine est le plus grand schéma de corruption entre dirigeants occidentaux.
En résumé, argent pris aux citoyens européens, envoyé en Ukraine, et reversé partiellement aux dirigeants occidentaux. Les arrestations très temporaires de hauts fonctionnaires européens il y a quelques mois, affaire vite étouffée bien sûr, était en rapport avec ce schéma de corruption.
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Arne12341 day ago
-59
Unbelievable. Keep the War Machine alive and well while the young men are dying in the millions and are disabled in the many millions, and cities destroyed.
-59
Mewhomewhy1 day ago
+22
You want millions of Ukrainians to be killed and tortured in silence don’t you?
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Brusion1 day ago
+37
Exactly. Keep going until either all the russians are dead. Or they could simply leave Ukraine. It would all end if russia simply stops.
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yhwhx1 day ago
+12
If you got Putin to remove all Russian troops from all of Ukraine, including Donbas, then no more young men *and women* would be dying or getting disabled and no more cities would get destroyed.
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\*edited to add: F*** Putin and f*** everyone who supports him (and also to add "*and women*").
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lordnecro1 day ago
+3
You must really hate Trump.
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CharmingScholarette1 day ago
+3
Tell that to RuZZia for INVADING a country?
Everyone was living their lives peacefully till this shit started.
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TetyyakiWith1 day ago
-3
This shit started in ~1930
-3
D-MAN-FLORIDA1 day ago
-18
Probably because the new government is coming in soon, so what’s the point of blocking it?
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Mewhomewhy1 day ago
+12
It was blocked by Orban who is out of power. Nothing to do with a new government or it being pointless.
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