Ukraine has warned that former members of a disbanded special police unit, who fled to Russia after 2014, may have been brought to Budapest by the Kremlin to stage provocations ahead of Hungary’s parliamentary elections
There's something about foreign agents fleeing to Russia before returning somewhere to turn a country for its interests.
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According_Most29141 day ago
+96
Russia rewards people that are loyal to it well. When you have to flee your own country you get sent to another as a disposable asset.
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alexwan121 day ago
+26
Like all Ukrainian officers stationed in Crimea during annexation were sent to Kamchatka, traitor once traitor always.
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Big-Compote-54831 day ago
+24
SBU checks in. I would not want to be a traitor of any nation, and Ukraine the least. They will hunt these people 'til the end of time and rightfully so.
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adamgerd1 day ago
+2
Deserved
May all the traitors be discovered and receive their just desserts
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UnknownBinary1 day ago
+7
It makes me surprised that that crooked Florida cop hasn't been pardoned and returned already.
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jpw0w1 day ago
+2
Dougan?
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succsforever1 day ago
+1141
Everything I have read about Hungary's government is bad. So why is our vice president out there in Hungary supporting Orban's campaign?
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balooaroos1 day ago
+1064
*Because* he's bad.
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NovemberTha1st1 day ago
+278
So hilarious seeing the conservative sub being unable to grasp this very simple point. They even agree that Hungary is a Russian-backed nation and goes against policies that the US and Europe would want. The prevailing sentiment is that it’s all just a get back because EU leaders “hate” Trump. And yes that’s partly why Vance is there, but the big reason is the US and Russia are best friends now and Trump doesn’t want Hungary to fall out of Russian orbit.
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notnickthrowaway1 day ago
+130
So they missed Orban visiting CPAC. CPAC visiting Orban, Orban visiting Mar a Lago numerous times, trump calling Orban a real strong man (sic) and a good friend, and so on. O wait, they also still think all trump’s Russian connections were a hoax and that he was totally exonerated.
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NovemberTha1st1 day ago
+37
Anything that doesn’t glaze Trump is something that they’ve just simply never seen. That’s the ironic impossibility of being a smart or knowledgeable conservative. There isn’t a single American conservative that exists in this world, that can logically debate me about just one of 1000 different intentionally malicious f*** ups that he has made.
I never get the opportunity to debate them, but I would love to just bring up a random topic and discuss facts of the case with them and see where their cognitive dissonance ends up. For example, one of 10000 cases, Matt Gaetz.
How can a conservative who apparently lives by truth and logic understand everything that happened with Gaetz and not disavow MAGA for the rest of their lives? He was bragging about snorting coke and chasing it with whiskey on the floor of congress. The new head of DHS (republican of course) even admitted this and said he would also show them pictures of the young girls he was sleeping with / statutorily raping. After all of this, Gaetz was still beloved by Trump. That’s who he decided to keep close and support.
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Tall-Firefighter-9041 day ago
+5
Just so you know, your comment showing evidence of Gaetz was buried by a bot designed to bury posts with downvotes.
You should add the comment to this post for visibility.
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Rough-Apricot47861 day ago
-36
All lies nothing of this ever happened... Sadly heard this in other topics often enough...
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Professional_Bike3361 day ago
+28
Congressional investigators found evidence that former Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida regularly paid women for sex; had sex with a 17-year-old, breaking Florida’s statutory r*** laws; and frequently used illegal drugs, among other violations of House ethics rules.
https://19thnews.org/2024/12/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-released/
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Sludgewaves1 day ago
+8
Well, I hope that answered your earlier question about debating them. You can’t. I’ve tried numerous times. It’s always this complete mental collapse that shuts out reality. When you push them into a corner, they either freak out or leave the conversation.
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Raesong1 day ago
+12
> the US and Russia are best friends
But they aren't. If given the opportunity, Putin would *gleefully* see to the complete destruction of the United States as a singular polity.
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Toph841 day ago
+3
I suppose the correction is the current leadership of the USA is best friends with Russia, and the leadership has no interest in the actual well being of the USA.
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nonviolent_blackbelt1 day ago
+5
The leadership of Russia still calls the USA "main enemy". "Has no interest" is putting it charitably.
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Catch_0221 day ago
+2
Why would a serious and powerful President like Trump feel the need to act like a high schooler and 'get back' at tiny, weak and cowardly Europe?
Surely that explanation is woke???!?1
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BestFriendWatermelon1 day ago
+2
It's not just that. Trump and friends would dearly love to be able to work directly with Russia. "We'll rig your elections, you rig ours" and such. But they know they can't because the American public and indeed many within their own government don't actually agree with that, so they want to use Hungary as a bridge.
"We're not giving Russia intelligence, we're giving our NATO ally Hungary intelligence..." And such. Officially they just agree with Orban's stance on fighting wokeness. In reality Orban is there to pass notes under the table to Putin.
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NovemberTha1st1 day ago
+2
Which makes no real sense honestly. It’s not like Russia is particularly good at anything. Their economy even when it was healthy was subpar compared to a lot of countries and even states. Their hackers are okay but certainly not the best in the world. There’s nothing Russia can really offer the US except being a den of thieves that can do things that the US government doesn’t want to be brought to the light.
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Azzandra11 day ago
+2
Russia is very good at one thing in particular. Putin is speculated to be the real richest person on the planet, not officially recognised as such due to how obsfucated much of his wealth is due to it being tied up in the state (to be plundered at his whim) or his pet oligarchs (to be broken open like disposable piggy banks at his whim).
To put it bluntly, Russia is very, very good at enriching its ruler, and insulating him from any and all threats. And that is something Trump desperately wants to replicate in the US to enrich himself and shield him from all the trouble he'll be staring down if he leaves the white house.
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Original-Rush1391 day ago
+2
Trump collided with Orban more than Putin. Like everything else, my money is on Trumps motivation to be entirely self serving.
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IsolatedFrequency1011 day ago
+7
And because it's what Putin told him to do
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-_GIZMO_1 day ago
+155
Read us security strategy plan that the trump admin put out.
Its pretty much f*** the European union,sow division and undermine the union.
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lucitribal1 day ago
+85
It's almost like Trump is using the same playbook as Putin. [Hmmm...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)
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bimbo_bear1 day ago
+91
Because you guys are the bad guys this time.
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Schmarsten13061 day ago
+5
"this time"
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cheddarben1 day ago
+46
Fascists supporting fascists.
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LostHisDog1 day ago
+54
We are the bad guys now... sucks to be us.
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Fire_Z11 day ago
+54
Because the Republican party supports Russia
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succsforever1 day ago
-31
Not always
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aryienne1 day ago
+26
Too often, it seems that they consider their strategies and goals compatible
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PhilLynottIsKing1 day ago
+23
"not always"? This supposed to be ok? "Oh no, my friend does not always kick grandmothers, so you can't say he's a bad man"
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succsforever1 day ago
-20
It means the republican party wasn't always this way, Reagan said "tear down this wall" to Russia. But feel free to be mad if you want
-20
PhilLynottIsKing1 day ago
+20
I am not mad. Reagan wasn't good leader to US citizens, and this "tear down this wall" incident happened almost 40 yrs ago
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succsforever1 day ago
-19
You don't live here, you don't get it
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DestinyPotato1 day ago
+14
Where is "here" to you? B/c your statement doesn't make sense for the US and if you aren't in the US then why are you plugging the Gang Of Pedophiles?
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cognisantcog1 day ago
+2
"Here". Dunce. American fascism affects the entire world.
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swislock1 day ago
-1
To be fair we are on an American social media platform...
-1
Original-Rush1391 day ago
+7
That was the USSR
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DoggoCentipede1 day ago
+3
Every Republican has been a corrupt malefactor going all the way back until you get to Ike. For whatever problems he had, it seems like he genuinely governed with what he thought were the best interests of people in mind. Imagine anyone from either party delivering a warning like he did about the Mil-Ind complex. Deaf ears all around, unfortunately.
Reagan's first presidential campaign negotiated with Iran to hold the hostages in Tehran until after he was inaugurated to keep Carter from getting a boost going into the election.
They have always acted in bad faith. They have no interest in honest governance. Everything is a scam to undermine the public good, carve it up, and sell it to their corporate pals for pennies on the dollar. Too many Dems follow in their footsteps to chase donations, but the entire GOP is bought and sold wholesale. It's almost sad how c**** they sell themselves for.
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Ognius1 day ago
+25
You’re asking why the cabal of pedophiles is supporting the one pro Russia government in the EU?
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BennyJJJJ1 day ago
+12
This is your are-we-the-baddies moment
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WayAdmirable1501 day ago
+25
Really? You still ask this question? Putin have ordered trump and jd to support orban.
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cookies_are_awesome1 day ago
+23
Because we are the baddies. You can't possibly be so clueless that you're legitimately asking this question in 2026.
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succsforever1 day ago
-33
First of all, you're rude. I am asking the question that many people in America are asking. MAGA is like 30% and maybe less if you talk Orban
In short, screw you dude
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cookies_are_awesome1 day ago
+17
Gee whiz, sorry I hurt your feelings. If you're asking rhetorically, then my bad for misinterpreting, I apologize. But in that case don't get so offended on behalf of terrible people, they're not worth defending.
If you genuinely are asking your question, you are willfully ignorant. Full stop.
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succsforever1 day ago
-18
You are the dork that makes internet forums worse
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cookies_are_awesome1 day ago
+17
I'm sorry you're so sensitive. I guess you are not being rhetorical and genuinely can't understand why terrible people like Donald Trump and JD Vance support a terrible person like Viktor Orban. If so, I stand by what I said. Deal with it. (Or ignore this random internet nobody being a meanie.)
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SYNTHENTICA18 hr ago
+3
\>MAGA is 30% or less
Lol, nice cope
America is the #1 despoiler of the modern world and it's people are suffering from delusions of jingoistic grandeur hence why they voted a literal pedophilia narcissist in. You are the equivalent of 19th century Britain. The faster your country collapses the better of the world will be. You would be on the right side of history for praying for the end of America.
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succsforever17 hr ago
-1
Well I'm not praying for the end of America, quite the opposite.
America ended the cold war and oppression by the USSR
George W Bush despite the mistakes in the wars started a giant AIDS program in Africa which everyone has agreed is a benefit to mankind
And before recent events, USAID provided vital support to poorer countries
What's happening in USA now is recent, not representative of the 20th century and most of the 21st
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[deleted]1 day ago
+29
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succsforever1 day ago
+31
I don't think that's it. I think there's part of the MAGA movement that likes Hungary's model, where you get in and rig it so you stay in, and Orban hits all the buttons on the culture issues.
They had the president of Hungary, which most people can't find on a map, speak at CPAC
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Reilly6161 day ago
+6
Do you not mean Prime Minister? It was Orban who addressed CPAC.
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succsforever1 day ago
+4
Whatever that a******'s title is, I'm talking Orban
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vkarabut1 day ago
+5
Probably direct order from Putin.
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TOMC_throwaway0000001 day ago
+5
Because orban was installed by Putin run Hungary as a puppet state, putins interests are JD / trumps interests
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SouthTippBass1 day ago
+9
Because your government is also bad.
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juho90011 day ago
+3
Your actual president too is offering investments bigly if Orban wins.
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x33storm1 day ago
+5
We don't have a vice president? Or a president.
Oh, you must be American.
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Seeker-N71 day ago
+1
Who's this "we" you're talking about?
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x33storm23 hr ago
-1
Exactly. I should specify my country shouldn't i, instead of assuming everyone in the world is from where i am from.
-1
Seeker-N723 hr ago
+1
You were being stupid. And still are.
"Why is our vice president in Hungary?"
Considering there only one VP visiting Hungary and he's a rather high profile one, your answer was stupid.
It's onvious they are American based on that sentence. They don't need to say it.
I still have no idea where you are from, considering you have no president. Not a lot of clues there.
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x33storm22 hr ago
The key word is "our", and i answered in kind to show the stupidity of it. And you consistently miss the point.
This is worldnews, and in that context "our" is the world, not the US.
Everyone always have to cater to US defaultism. It's annoying.
Ofc i know it's America. Because no italian, japanese or brazillian would go online and just talk like they're in their own country, speaking to their own countrymen.
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Seeker-N722 hr ago
+1
When they say "why is our vice president out there in Hungary supporting Orban's campaign?" they literally cannot mean anything else. Your point is stupid. It wasn't an ambiguous statement. It's the current news, that JD is visiting Hungary.
If it were any other statement, I'd agree with you.
But what does this mean then? "We don't have a vice president? Or a president." This is the ambiguous statement where we cannot even decipher where you are from, not even from context.
But let's check this out: "I should specify my country shouldn't i, instead of assuming everyone in the world is from where i am from."
If the current news is that the american VP is visiting Hungary, and the commenter says "why is our vice president in Hungary" he does not need to specify he's from the USA. It is specified by context. No need to say "btw, I'm from the USA"
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succsforever1 day ago
-2
Wow, you're clarivoyant
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ILoveTheAtomicBomb1 day ago
+2
Because he’s part of a cabinet that supports pedophiles, rapists, Nazis, and under Putins rule. Makes a lot of sense when you think of it that way
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My_password_is_qwer1 day ago
+2
Because current US regime is controlled by enemies of USA.
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lovenumismatics1 day ago
+2
Because you’re the baddies
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AlbertaNorth11 day ago
+2
He’s been a darling of the right wing for years.
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Vdd6661 day ago
+1
Is it not obvious your overlords are in cahoots with authoritarians? Cracks me up every time Americans mention freedom and do their mental gymnastics.
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theguyfromgermany1 day ago
-3
While the hungarian goverment of Orbán is a shitstain, it's still miles ahead of Orange Rapist starting wars left and right.
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succsforever1 day ago
+4
No no don't even try to justify it
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theguyfromgermany1 day ago
+1
I'm not justifying it, I am comparing it.
Yours is worse, so go and do something about it.
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BalkanNoBalkan1 day ago
Because countries are corrupt and will prob up any evil if it helps them. Even eu probs up Serbia
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cheddarben1 day ago
+69
Putin and Orban are best buds. Trump and Orban are best buds.
hmmmmmmm.
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totallyRebb1 day ago
+32
It's a circle jerk of jerks.
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Medallicat1 day ago
+17
2018 - The US president is willing to trust the word of a former KGB agent ahead of the consensus of his own intelligence community.
Two separate sources, Alnur Mussayev (former head of KGB) and Yuri Shvets (former KGB agent in the US) claimed that Trump was cultivated as a KGB asset for decades. Since 1987 during his first visit to Moscow, which was officially a scouting trip for potential hotel deals.
Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the 2016 campaign and presidential transition
I haven't even mentioned half the shit in [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials#:~:text=The%20spy%20chief%20%5BVladimir%20Kryuchkov,asserted%20that%20Trump%20is%20compromised:)
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Particular-Mark-57711 day ago
+6
didn't the orange menace out/expose u.s. intelligence as well?
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Johannes_P1 day ago
+8
Apparently, there were an uptick of death among CIA assets after Trump's first term.
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Particular-Mark-57711 day ago
+2
that's it. thanks for the input.
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Suspicious_Place12701 day ago
+67
Hungary must stay vigilant and it's people need to commit to a decision
so that whatever orban plans tomorrow, people will do their due dilligence and pull through with their decision
hope and godspeed
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zakarijas1 day ago
+39
The infamous BERKUT unit. They were involved in severe human rights violation during 2013-2014 Maidan, including murder, many of those who were involved in the crimes escaped to safe haven in Russia. Also they work very similarly to Soviet instituted OMON which is still used in Russia and Belorussia
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Zlimness1 day ago
+181
To everyone who thinks the Maidan was some sort of CIA op; Berkut murdered 108 Ukrainians in the 2014 protests. This is why a revolution was needed. These guys are pro-Kremlin thugs who don't care about the life of citizens, but only to protect the regime no matter the cost.
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Big-Compote-54831 day ago
+58
I ran into some Polish assholes trying to spew this shit to me about the CIA and Ukraine's revolution. After I just crossed the border from Ukraine. I can tell you with absolute certainty if you talk with Ukrainians they were doing so on their own accord.
It really bothers me when people talk about Ukraine like they are not a sovereign country and people, capable of their own decisions, and instead a vessel for outside influence. That's not how modern Ukraine works.
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ZumboPrime1 day ago
+19
> It really bothers me when people talk about Ukraine like they are not a sovereign country and people, capable of their own decisions, and instead a vessel for outside influence.
These "people" are simply repeating Russian propaganda. Putin considers Ukraine part of Russia, so that is what Russian bots & trolls will spout forever.
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Big-Compote-548315 hr ago
+1
It's real people, too, who buy that propaganda. I met two russians back in the US before I moved to Ukraine that thought of Ukrainians as "confused russians." These are people born in the US. Same thing happened in Poland while I was traveling through. But anyone who knows Ukrainians or has been to the country knows it's bullshit. Even in Dunbas, the idea that those people are "waiting for russian 'liberation'" is utter horseshit. 10% maybe -- the same amount of people who in the US would cheer on a russian invasion of their country - but most of the rest are some of the most patriotic Ukrainians you'll find.
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zetarn1 day ago
+11
And Berkut unit taking order directly from the Kremlin too.
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Heroyem1 day ago
+7
There are SO many dweebs who spew that BS. They deny the obvious real-life implications of the fact that Berkut AND Yanukovych both fled to Russia as soon as the shit hit the fan.
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OMGLOL19861 day ago
+6
Everytime someone says the Maidan revolution (which just means “town square” revolution…because it was in towns everywhere) was a CIA op, a Russian soldier takes a drone to their scooter.
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ThisIsWorthles1 day ago
+1
Berkut likely also operates under the name Halzan directly as part Russia's SOBR. Both Berkut and Halzan operate under Sergey Abisov a Ukranain defector. Berkut and Halzan are likely the same unit. So they likely aren't just pro kremlin but directly part of the national guard of russia.
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henryptung1 day ago
+60
Sigh. Using false flag attacks might be one of Putin's favorite ploys in political manipulation. F\*king ex-KGB.
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nonviolent_blackbelt1 day ago
+2
There is no ex-KGB. Once KGB, always KGB.
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Ecstatic_Wasabi_51661 day ago
+19
Kremlin's involvement in Hungary's elections is no surprise, Russia's been meddling in others' affairs for years, expect more of the same.
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Kaziglu_Bey1 day ago
+4
Orban's Tactical Strippers?
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_masssk_1 day ago
+5
I wish all good to Hungary. But Orban won't just leave peacefully. He is a valuable Putin's asset inside the EU which always blocks everything. They will do **everything** to keep power. I hope I'm wrong :/
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AccordingInsect34811 day ago
+3
Agent Provocateurs abound
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gogogadgets19971 day ago
+2
We should have used Ukraine to get rid of Putin.
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hellranger7881 day ago
+1
I wondered what happened to them
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poestavern23 hr ago
+1
Probably no doubt about this…Putin and the criminal trump are destabilizing the whole world…
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ElydthiaUaDanann20 hr ago
+1
Hmm.... That somehow seems familiar.
Oh, right... CIA involvement in the Maidan Coup.
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OrionJustice1 day ago
-11
i see that the anti Orban lobby is growing stronger after he refused to money laundry the EU funds to Ukraine, a non EU and non NATO country.
How much did they pay you to spread c*** against Hungary when they are not aligned with your Khazar mafia?
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