US veterans who went over to fight for Ukraine consistently reported back that high intensity precision artillery and drone warfare was the scariest thing imaginable.
And they were fighting *for* Ukraine, who are the ones with the better drones.
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ClutchReverie5 days ago
+1493
Now 5 years later Ukraine is literally making millions of drones this year to use in the war. They've evolved their tactics to use tons and tons of drones and keep their people farther back and safe, especially because they're outnumbered. It's working pretty well for them too, the latest comparisons I've heard are 1:2 Ukraine:Russian casualties, but that could go down farther in Ukraine's favor this year with their new drones and tactics that they are currently successfully using to take back territory. They have cutting edge drone tactics and technology that they are teaching the US and Gulf nations right now to use to defend against Iranian drone attacks. They are also the only ones that make the interceptor drones to shoot down waves of hundreds of incoming drones - enough that they can export and sell these.
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joepez5 days ago
+1204
Bonkers that Ukraine has redefined warfare for the next century. What Putin saw as a pushover event has turned into a Russian meat grinder and economic catastrophe. While Ukraine gets to trump a “modern” military.
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zxDanKwan5 days ago
+714
I don’t understand much about military history, but I feel like “Russia pushes into a meat grinder” is kinda their thing, no?
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Dear_Flow6285 days ago
+384
Yes, leveraging their larger population to basically overwhelm enemy positions.
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Kortok20125 days ago
+359
Guess they never expected the clanker inquisition
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Shamino795 days ago
+208
Literally no one expects the clanker inquisition.
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Godsbladed5 days ago
+108
WarGPT
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Turdsindakitchensink5 days ago
+52
Well isn’t that a scary notion
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Big_Cryptographer_165 days ago
+13
SplatGPT
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Eighth_Eve5 days ago
+15
I remember in the early days of the war someone set up a blockade on some ukranian road 'manned' by manequins of terminators that looked like they had been stolen from a set by some vfx technician.
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elPatronSuarez5 days ago
+5
Everyone goes in to be a stud. But noone expects to be/end up a fluffer.
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wbruce0985 days ago
+12
Damn this guy out here usin the hard r? What did clankas ever do to you?
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fallen_d3mon5 days ago
+19
Soundproof strategy in total war and most RTS games.
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CaribouYou5 days ago
+29
And drone warfare turns that on its head.
Scary to think that the wars in Ukraine and Iran are still minor compared to two major powers going to war.
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cubedplusseven5 days ago
+18
WWIII, if it somehow doesn't go nuclear, will see individual drones coming to kill us in our beds.
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EvoEpitaph5 days ago
+10
Killing civies in civilian areas outside of military interests seems like all the justification a country, including and perhaps especially, like the US would need to use nukes in retaliation.
Hell killing soldiers on American soil was all it took previously.
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Current-Function-7295 days ago
+3
Yeah. Imagine some missile dispersing a cloud of smaller drones over a city. Makes cluster munitions seem quaint.
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uncle_genghis5 days ago
+18
But do the Ukrainian bots have a preset kill limit?
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60Feathers5 days ago
+12
Show them my medal, Kiff!
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Not_Stupid5 days ago
+7
It's often 1, cause they blow themselves up. But then you just make more.
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NamelessCabbage5 days ago
+20
Yeah I think that's like their entire history since the beginning of time 😂. But now they finally have some adversaries who are also resistant to the cold.
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Combat_Orca5 days ago
+10
Well the mongols were resistant to the cold, but that went even worse
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Exciting-Emu-33245 days ago
+53
Different incentive structures. Ukraine needs stuff to work or there is no Ukraine. For Russians, the war is just an excuse to grift money; even for the lowest rank and file assault troops that wanted to take advantage of sign on bonuses. The Ukrainian equivalents on the Russian side are just keeping their head down and maybe inherit what's left of Russia after the special military operation runs it into the ground just like the US.
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ryk005 days ago
+117
in a simulated exercise in Estonia, 10 Ukrainian drone operators neutralized two NATO battalions, destroying 17 armored vehicles in half a day. They likely could trump an actual modern military since basically nobody has properly updated their outdated ideas yet
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classic4life5 days ago
+85
Saying that Ukraine isn't a modern military at this point seems a bit off.
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pile_of_fish5 days ago
+71
Yeah, Ukraine feels like they have just hit the next military tech level. Russia isn't too far behind... nobody else has taken this seriously enough.
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Just_Information3345 days ago
+7
>nobody else has taken this seriously enough
Yeah, no one sent observers to Ukraine or Russia. No one in any army is debriefing soldiers to learn from their experience. No procurement office has accelerated or changed their next 10 years program.
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I_burn_noodles5 days ago
+4
Meanwhile our military is seeking more funds because they want more Tomahawks.
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drblah115 days ago
+22
They are a futuristic military, the rest are mostly still modern at best
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Coolkurwa5 days ago
+13
Could you imagine saying that 10 years ago? Ukraine has the most modern military in Europe. Crazy times.
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Reddvox5 days ago
+12
And as a german, I hope and pray they win, and join the good guys aka EU and West (minus current USA). THat knowledge, experience, know-how would truly be a boost to european defenses.
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bombmk5 days ago
+5
I think "actual modern" was in comparison to what they are currently facing in Ukraine. Not to the state of the Ukrainian Army.
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hpstg5 days ago
+11
Shouldn’t that scare everyone as it’s obvious that the Russian army can do the same?
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blackcain5 days ago
+24
This would be a perfect opportunity for other countries to start pulling away like Georgia. Forcing Russia to expand money and soldiers there and then making Ukraine get even more intense. It will drive Putin up the wall.
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CompleteClassroom5095 days ago
+19
Also would be a good time for Ukraine to be admitted to NATO whilst they’re winning
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SpaceJackRabbit5 days ago
+9
Admission to NATO will be difficult considering it requires not having disputed borders.
That said European powers want Ukraine on their side and in time it will definitely be a key nation in a European military alliance.
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MidRoundOldFashioned5 days ago
+57
Ukraine might be, quite literally the most powerful nation in Europe currently.
After this war they will have the most modern peer conflict experience, have rooted out most of the corruption, and become a modern disciplined military in the span of 5 years.
When the USA votes in a competent leader, they’d be wise to be kind to Ukraine for their own military complex purposes.
I’m Ukrainian American. As far as this conflict goes, I’ve been extremely conflicted by the flip flop attitude the US has taken since day 1. It’s seemed like Russian appeasement, even under Biden.
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other-brother-darryl5 days ago
+11
I mostly agree; they just don't have a way to project that power. They would need a Navy and Air Force properly equipped to move troops and equipment beyond their borders, as well the Army units trained to do the same on roads and rail.
That said, they would kick ass once in the trenches!
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TachiH5 days ago
+77
1:2 is pretty standard for attacking a dug in defender anyway, the drones were such a huge advantage when they first came out. Both sides are now so adept at using the drones it basically means there is a constantly moving 5 mile dmz that if you enter you will be hit by fpv. Works against both sides. On the air defence side though Ukraine are killing it with drones.
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less_unique_username5 days ago
+17
I think the width of the kill zone is almost an order of magnitude higher than that
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IllImprovement7005 days ago
+10
Yeah, it used to be 10 km, but it keeps getting bigger. I believe it is now something like 20 km in both directions.
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Village_People_Cop5 days ago
+67
They pulled some front line drone operators and had them join a NATO wargame. The NATO troops didn't know how to handle the new way of warfare and the Ukrainians destroyed them. Most in command said it was an eye opener and you can already hear reports of NATO militaries making drone related training (both operation and countering) mandatory
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anortef5 days ago
+8
My country was going to make two aircraft carriers and after stuff like this leadership scrapped one and changed it to drone carrier.
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FamiliarTry4035 days ago
+114
1:3 is probably the bare minimum needed to fend them off indefinitely
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PanVidla5 days ago
+84
I read it was 1:5 ever since Russians lost Starlink.
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Agoodchap5 days ago
+57
That’s (1:5) whats been reported by the [Finnish government](https://breakingdefense.com/2026/04/15-kill-ratio-ukraine-inflicts-heavy-russian-losses-using-drones-says-finnish-president/) whereas the 1:2 ratio came from Washington think tank [CSIS](https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-grinding-war-ukraine#h2-appendix).
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DeFex5 days ago
+16
Has CSIS stayed neutral despite the orange plague?
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Agoodchap5 days ago
+4
Most independent organizations that analyze political bias rank them as nonpartisan- which they claim to be. Its President and CEO, John Hamre, served as Deputy Secretary of Defense under Bill Clinton.
Perhaps any organization that’s pro defense can be seen as having traditional conservative values - whereas the liberals argue for decreased military spending.
Major donors are from defense industry companies. NG, LM, and B. While claiming to be non-biased, accepting monies from these companies is problematic.
They have supported the administration’s effort to remove Maduro. They support the stance of putting America first and the Western hemisphere ahead. But also critiques the financial mess of Venezuela efforts. Their reporting also shows that they think Iran war was a dumb idea because there was never any clear objectives. They definitely don’t like that Trump has been transactional with NATO countries. They are pro NATO whereas Trump is anti-NATO.
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Man_under_Bridge4205 days ago
+81
Gosh i wish i had to the time to go back and reply to all the Russian simps who where screaming Ukraine was going to run out of men.
Robo men can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop until you are dead.
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EternalCanadian5 days ago
+16
I appreciate your reference, for the record.
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queen-adreena5 days ago
+10
Kinda raises an interesting barrage of questions about rules of engagement and whether robots should be bound by the same “laws of war” as humans.
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Gremlinforester5 days ago
+20
Yes. We are very close to the thesis of 'non human' warfare.
Several books I read as a child described these events. The last fertile tracts of land are fought over digitally, and whoever has the last robot standing wins the territory.
In the book the humans recognized they didn't need to keep killing each other, they could simply play robot killing games
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byronotron5 days ago
+33
It is absolutely mind boggling how big of an L this has been for Russia. I don't mean to trivialize the war, if anything I'm horrified by the human loss of life. This will be studied as a turning point in the way that wars are fought and won or lost, if you're Russia in this case. Putin much like Trump, has surrounded themselves with such sycophancy, when they actually activate their darkest desires, no one is around to tell them it's a nightmare scenario. It's terrible so many Russians had to die for Putin's ego. And... Ukraine, holy hell. Legends.
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WCland5 days ago
+25
Ukraine is doing far better than 1:2. Russia has been losing 30k soldiers in a month recently, and Ukraine set a goal of 50k per month. If the ratio was even 1:5 I don’t think Ukraine could maintain its lines. And apparently the majority of the Russian casualties are KIA, because drone attacks tend to kill rather than wound.
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Expert-Guard62165 days ago
+17
Jesus christ man, all that loss of human life. Such a surreal thing to think about.
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WCland5 days ago
+27
And it’s entirely Putin’s fault
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Drizznit12215 days ago
+12
i read about 1:3 but that was a while ago. 1:2 is not sustainable for ukraine
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DonaldsMushroom5 days ago
+5
Ukraine is undoubtedly winning the technical war.
The problem is that they are fighting war criminals who target civilians.
Also, Russians seem to have no regret about sending millions of their children to their death.
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Mangeytwat5 days ago
+94
Being under artillery fire is completely anathema to human nature. To just sit in a hole knowing that a shell can land on you at any point and you can't do anything at all strips away all the pretense of being an intelligent animal in control of its destiny. The PTSD rates must be insane and Ukraine is going to have a serious f****** problem, even if they can stalemate Russia for the next decade, because they're going to have a huge population of men with catastrophic mental illness problems. Obviously the same applies to Russia but they're the aggressors so I have less sympathy.
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conflictedideology5 days ago
+29
> they're going to have a huge population of men with catastrophic mental illness
I don't know how widespread it is (since there's a large stigma against mental illness in Ukraine) but at least one unit has embedded a psychological support group in it.
They not only help prepare new soldiers to prepare for being in combat; but they also treat any of more experienced soldiers that need it.
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MyBakpaksGyatJets5 days ago
+4
I can't imagine how bad it must be. I know how bad my PTSD is from IEDs being stationary in the road. Add on those IEDs now flying through the air and chasing you as a whole level of fucked I don't want to imagine.
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Mangeytwat5 days ago
+11
You can't prepare people for being under constant artillery and drone threat. What you can do is put someone nearby they can talk to when they're off the front and more importantly someone who can *see* that they're fucked and force their superiors to pull them out of combat duties (probably permanently).
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Loki-L5 days ago
+9
We have come along way since WW1 when general's would shoot soldiers for being "shell shocked", but we aren't still have a long way to go.
One big problem I see is alcohol. Both Ukraine and Russia had a big alcoholism problem that started to improve a lot, but I think that this will pick up again quite a bit after the war.
At least military service in Ukraine seems to be relatively humane for lack of a better word. The tales you hear about abuse and r*** in the Russian military, combined with them recruiting from prisons etc, likely means the people who come out of it will be very broken.
Ukraine might hope for help from Europe with mental health and substance abuse issues that develop, not just because European neighbours are nice but also because they don't want it to spread towards them. Russia is unlikely to offer much help to its veterans.
Things are going to be tucked for a lot of people for a generation or more.
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Ecsta5 days ago
+187
To be fair US soldiers are probably accustomed to having full air superiority/support where they can bomb the shit out of people who are not able to effectively shoot back?
Also from a historical perspective the accounts of trench warfare also sound absolutely terrifying, not that its a competition for scariest situation lol.
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RedditBugler5 days ago
+139
Americans are used to conducting raids against individual targets that have no layered defense and defending against small scale harassment attacks and IEDs. It's been decades since Americans have had to fight an organized, combined arms opponent and it's been two generations since Americans have fought without air superiority.
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Beepulons5 days ago
+22
> two generations since Americans have fought without air superiority.
Probably longer, right?
A bit of googling (admittedly I haven't gone too deep into it) tells me that the US had aerial dominance in both Vietnam and Korea. So probably the last time the US fought a true peer-to-peer conventional war was WW2.
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gracklemancometh5 days ago
+15
And even then, they had air superiority just not air dominance.
The USA alone produced more aircraft in WW2 than the entire Axis combined, and that's if you count the whole war not just the last few years. And that's just the USA - the other Allies produced around the same amount again.
The USA has never fought a war against an enemy with air superiority, and it's been more than 80 years since they fought under contested air space.
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queen-adreena5 days ago
+34
Been a while since they won a war too.
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RedditBugler5 days ago
+71
The US military is great at defeating other militaries. It is bad at building countries. Parking the US military in a foreign country and expecting everything to sort itself out is not a good strategy, but it somehow became standard over the last 50 years.
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AllSystemsNominal_5 days ago
+31
It became standard because it worked amazingly well in Japan and Germany.
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RedditBugler5 days ago
+56
There was a robust system in place to usher in long term societal change, plus a willingness of the locals to rebuild in a new manner. There was a real system in place, not just "have the army drive in circles and wait to get shot at" for 20 years.
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iTz_Time5 days ago
+25
Usa is accustomed to fighting uneven wars.
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Great_Incident_15255 days ago
+8
To some degree this was trench warfare with the added precision munitions and drones that can come into trenches at all angles...so...
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jl23525 days ago
+19
The lack of air superiority is a huge asterisk on takeaways from the war.
There are people who argue that Ukraine is focusing too much on drones. The concept is that more artillery and an air force would simply dismantle the current trench warfare, and drones would then be far less effective.
I have no idea if they are right. However if you compare the US in Trump’s current (stupid) war with Iran, against Russia in the start of their invasion of Ukraine. The picture is very different. A major difference is the US can strike from afar, negating the need for masses of troops on the ground (at least for now).
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HighlanderM435 days ago
+18
The reliance on drones by Ukraine is a result of major shell shortages over the last couple of years. Artillery is superior to drones, and can be used with precision, but the sheer weight in tonnage of shells the entirety of the front can go thru in high intensity peer to peer war in a single week is eye watering. Drones are easier and cheaper to produce and don’t require specialized factories(of which there are few) to do it. Drone warfare has evolved at this point now into something new, as well, even if the shell shortage was solved(it’s not) the usage of drones would maintain intensity. If the shell shortage had been solved two years ago, who knows if drone warfare would be what it is now. It’s all fluid too. Wait another couple years, we’ll probably have T-800 terminators in the trenches 👀
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yrogerg1235 days ago
+4
Seems like frontline soldiers now have a lot more autonomy and are empowered to prioritize their own survival. Still has to be torture and the paranoia can't be healthy. But those in power want their soldiers to survive.
Getting sent over the trench in WW1 knowing you will be shredded by entrenched machineguns sounds terrifying for as long as takes for the bullets to hit.
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ThaneKyrell5 days ago
+39
With all due respect to US veterans, being a veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan, where you had massive air support, armor, artillery and extremely fast helo medvacs, and where your opponents can, at best, hope to have a RPG or light mortar, is just not comparable to any real war, nor did it give them any useful experience for any actual war. Hell, the opposite is true, the experience they had in Iraq and Afghanistan probably made the US worse at fighting wars.
In a real war, you have no instant air support, far less artillery, the opponent has their own air support and artillery to fire back at you, if you are injured you need to wait for hours if not days for help and with FPV drones flying everywhere even moving to the frontline is extremely dangerous
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CobblerFickle14875 days ago
+18
Exactly lol, Ukraine fighting in near-peer warfare, without air superiority, while an FPV drone being operated from 20km away can decide your fate as an infantryman in a few seconds. Meanwhile we were up against farmers with AKs, it's no comparison.
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CreamFuture94755 days ago
+27
As a Canadian… interesting
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rackfloor5 days ago
+14
Definitely. There's a lot of very useful development and information exchange that would benefit us. I wonder about their supply chain, where are they getting the electronics, the motors from? Weird to think that domestic production of brushless DC motors could be critical to defense.
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catscanmeow5 days ago
+5
Them taking Greenland would make things a lot more tricky.
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Xalipu5 days ago
+4
Oh, we’ve been giving them money for that, and partnered up with them for joint production and our own future domestic manufacturing. Trudeau and Carney were/are busy little bees.
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RarelyReadReplies5 days ago
+6
>high intensity precision artillery and drone warfare was the scariest thing imaginable.
I'm pretty sure WW2 was worse, and WW1 was even more of a hellscape. Those people were stuck in trenches, feet rotting away, rats the size of cats from eating dead flesh, face to face combat, ripping someone else's guts out with your bayonet. I've read a lot about WW1 and WW2, watched docs, and I assure you that drone warfare is more humane than what our grandfather's and great grandfather's endured.
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MrInexorable5 days ago
+306
Beyond dystopian hellscape.
Meat-waving 19-year-olds into fortified trenches, swarmed with flying killer robots.
World War I with Terminators.
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oops_all_memes5 days ago
+148
If it's of any consolation to you, the average age of a Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine is well above 40 years old
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Hengroen5 days ago
+72
Is that because they've run out of 19 year olds?
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Potential-Wish86085 days ago
+47
It’s simple, cynical math. Sacrifice the mature generation in order to preserve the future one.
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NeilDeCrash5 days ago
+64
It gets way more cynical than that.
[Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian war - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war)
Russian authorities have claimed that over 700,000 Ukrainian children have been transferred by mid-2023,^(\[6\]) and Ukraine's ombudsman on children's rights believes that the actual number of abducted children may be in the hundreds of thousands.
In 2022, the Russian government established a large-scale system of at least 43 children's camps in Russia and Crimea (most of which previously served as children's summer resorts) the main purpose of which appears to be "integrating children from Ukraine into the Russian government's vision of national culture, history, and society", according to a report by Yale School of Public Health's Humanitarian Research Lab.
[Ukraine's abducted children: 'List of suspects will grow'](https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-abducted-children-the-list-of-suspects-will-grow-longer/a-65117416)
...
According to Ukraine's ombudsman on children's rights, Russia is carrying out the abductions with the goal of supplementing its own population, and that Russia is conducting health examinations on the children in order to integrate only healthy Ukrainian children into the Russian nation.
The soldiers Russia loses in the war hits their demographics badly, but they mitigate it by abducting children and forcibly integrating them in to Russian society.
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Potential-Wish86085 days ago
+52
I think this is past cynicism. What russia is doing is monstrous.
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PhysiolMM5 days ago
+8
It's genocide, per the definition of Genocide.
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venit_enim_ad_me5 days ago
+6
The average age of Ukrainian soldier is 45, in Russian army it is 50, however, those that fight in Ukraine average at 38
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eflat1235 days ago
+4
Goddamn. War is stupid.
Paul Hardcastle could do a follow up: "40"
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TachiH5 days ago
+19
The weapons have changed but it has still fallen back to WW1 trench warfare. Just instead of gas attacks you have swarms of munitions just floating above waiting to spot you with thermals.
Can't imagine there has ever been such a scary high intensity since WW1 than the Ukranian front lines.
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Wendigo795 days ago
+17
So terminator plot line then.
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thedirtymeanie5 days ago
+5
which will set the stage for every conflict in the future anywhere in the world...
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Illustrious-Milk65185 days ago
+4
I’d argue that defending your homeland with robots is less dystopian than having to defend it with real human lives. Having your homeland attacked with drones and robots is dystopian as f*** though
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the_pewpew_kid5 days ago
+9
Yeah m8 every war is
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kowycz5 days ago
+6
Some Forever Winter shit developing over there.
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macross19845 days ago
+1110
The future of warfare is becoming reality sooner rather than later.
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munchi3335 days ago
+426
Nothing motivates technological innovation quite like war…
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Kriztauf5 days ago
+92
And in this case specifically, the manpower shortages Ukraine faces
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beard_of_cats5 days ago
+47
"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In any case, most actual fighting will be done by small robots, and as you go forth today remember your duty is clear: to build and maintain those robots."
-I dunno, Carl von Clausewitz or something
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Gygax_the_Goat5 days ago
+12
Sounds more like Phillip K d***
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Discount_Extra5 days ago
+5
Neal Stevenson I think... corporate owned nanobots fighting for territory in the air, leaving dust sized debris that turns your lungs black like printer toner.
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noradosmith5 days ago
+47
Civ's Giant Death Robots incoming
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BalticTokAids5 days ago
+47
Im guessing its the Opposite, smaller things in Massen Produktion. Building "big" is just not gonna be feasible in the future. I wouldnt be surprised if we have suicide drones in bee size in a couple years, which is scary as f
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jolard5 days ago
+23
Exactly. Small drones with a small explosive charge that fly at you in swarms and hit you all at once. Very difficult to counter without basically living under netting.
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Jayynolan5 days ago
+5
Just posted this above but figured you would get a kick too
[Slaughter bots](https://youtu.be/9fa9lVwHHqg?si=7ZkSw76xYh_C1NRL)
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asdfghjkl154365 days ago
+9
If it reaches that point war just becomes unsustainable, it'd be like nuclear war, everybody loses.
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EgoTripWire5 days ago
+11
And the world is watching intently taking notes, except the US who thinks they're too good to learn anything.
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edybear965 days ago
+1111
The wfh war
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SufficientBug59405 days ago
+211
Still have to report to the frontlines 5/7 days of the week though.
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CompetitiveSport15 days ago
+49
Probably just so that their unit commanders can feel good about themselves and the "positive troop culture" and "energy" they all get from being in a forward operating base together
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moofunk5 days ago
+7
Eventually, abstracted into a video game, that can be played like any other video game by kids in their rooms. Their parents will never know. Maybe the kids won’t know either that they’re killing real people.
It would just be a game.
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noradosmith5 days ago
+16
Wark from Home
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No_Philosopher_57535 days ago
+1137
They use of ground robots for supply runs, CASEVAC, etc has significantly reduced exposure of soldiers and has probably saved many lives. This is very welcome news.
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hellranger7885 days ago
+406
I remember them using a CASEVAC drone once. Looked like a long metal tube. The dude inside was wounded and as it was traveling back, it was struck by russian drones. While damaged, it made it all the way back to a friendly base and the dude inside made it back without extra injury.
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hot_space_pizza5 days ago
+134
+10 ptsd tho
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CopainChevalier5 days ago
+38
Not that ptsd is good, but I’m willing to bet most would take ptsd over death
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Smugg-Fruit5 days ago
+43
Future warfare is insane to hear about
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glogomusic5 days ago
+47
when do we stop calling it the future even though it was something that happened in the past
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TachiH5 days ago
+155
Those steel coffins full of ammo that wounded can then crawl into are nuts. Its taken the idea of APC medivac to a whole new level, they are all super low ground clearance too so they can sneak around.
Turns out strapping a 50cal to it is also useful, they have even converted over the counter games consoles like steam decks and rog allys to control them.
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flyingtrucky5 days ago
+30
Close enough, welcome back M113.
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digredmoo5 days ago
+98
Apparently they’ve already done over 20k missions with ground based drones in the first three months of this year. Note that a significant number of those will have been logistical/supply and medical evacuation missions.
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Villag3Idiot5 days ago
+333
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
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LapsedVerneGagKnee5 days ago
+137
I doubt any of these robots have radios, speakers, or the like, but having robotic troops yelling “EX-TERMIN-ATE!” at Russian forces might be worth the extra effort.
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TachiH5 days ago
+46
They are all remote controlled, I can imagine it is more like an early COD4 lobbies with Ukranians shouting expletives across the battlefield through their drones 🤣
Not log before we see a bipedal drone teabag a soldier to death.
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affordableproctology5 days ago
+17
"I fuccked your mom n**ger" in a squeaky voice
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browster5 days ago
+21
In Russian!
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sadrice5 days ago
+10
ИС-ТРЕ-БИТЬ! ИС-ТРЕ-БИТЬ!
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MessMaximum54935 days ago
+25
War is so over if Ukrainians invent a Dalek
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Gentlementlementle5 days ago
+13
We've invented the daleks from the hit sci fi show 'Do not invent the daleks'
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BadmiralHarryKim5 days ago
+472
If the Ukrainians are using clankers does that mean Russia will deploy clones? How soon before Vladpatine issues order 66?
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Anakin_Sandwalker5 days ago
+190
Does that make Trump into the equivalent of Nute Gunray with his current blockade of the strait of Hormuz?
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olderthanthou5 days ago
+119
There is a resemblance.
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BlackandRedDragon5 days ago
+54
The negotiations were short.
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Anakin_Sandwalker5 days ago
+33
The negotiations never took place...
Guys, I think we're onto something here.
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FenrisCain5 days ago
+18
Id be willing to bet hed do the accent if asked too
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Quick-Bad5 days ago
+10
Dare I ask, who's the Jar Jar Binks in this scenario?
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Jonpope5 days ago
+23
Kash Patel
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tacotickles5 days ago
+23
Vlad already order 66s his people all the time
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EgoTripWire5 days ago
+15
Imagine if Revenge of the Sith ended with Jedis being pushed out of windows across the Galaxy like Mace Windu.
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CPUsCantDoNothing5 days ago
+8
I recommend you look into what happened to Wagner Group
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Simple_Project46055 days ago
+6
Why would Russia invest in clones, actual Russians are cheaper to make
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va_wanderer5 days ago
+61
Ukraine has been an eye-opening experience in what warfare is becoming. Powered exoskeletons for logistics work. Drones as mobile attack, support, defense from anything from taking out infantry to countermeasures against missiles.
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AustralianLooney5 days ago
+9
Yep - and the ongoing footage of the war is really making me concerned about any future world war.
It'll be an infantry slaughter-fest.
There'd be no-where safe.
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jqman695 days ago
+103
Technology leapfrogs during times of war. The videos coming out of this is gonna be wild
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schnurchler5 days ago
+7
They already are.
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Yourcatsonfire5 days ago
+125
Shits going to get real.
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ExcellentHunter5 days ago
+57
I'm waiting for a vid when a bunch of robots will attack and clear out russian point.
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Fluffygong5 days ago
+77
This happened last week forcing Russian soldiers to surrender after a joint drone and robot attack. Can't be arsed to Google the source
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Ok-Blackberry-35345 days ago
+16
Shit's going to get virtual.
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Exact_Insurance79835 days ago
+22
Is it just me or the Ukraine war got turned into a test field for Warfare somewhere in the middle of all this…they used drones for years and now those drones can impede missiles that costs millions of dollars from the US in Iran.
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dunkindonato5 days ago
+11
It became a test field because Ukraine had to use drones extensively as it was their advantage over Russia. When you are facing an invasion from a superior enemy, you tend to be resourceful and refine methods that worked. The end result was that they become the world's foremost experts in drone warfare, developing drones that did various roles in the battlefield.
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adjective-nounOne2345 days ago
+7
It was one even before drones, old equipment like Challenger IIs and Abrams were designed for Eastern Europe rather than a desert. And there was no real opportunity for those tests until 2022
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Jacen16185 days ago
+65
Meanwhile the Pentagon will develop ground robots that are 1000x more effective. But they will cost 100mil a piece so there’s only budget for 10 of them. Also we can’t afford universal healthcare or pre-K.
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Serious-Ad25735 days ago
+8
The MIC will look at this and do an RL Liberty Prime
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pikkuhukka5 days ago
+18
i dont mind beng replaced by a clanker in That situation
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princesspeeved5 days ago
+50
I never thought Attack of the Clones was meant to be prophetic…
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james___uk5 days ago
+25
Attack of the Drones 🤔
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smltor5 days ago
+30
Funny to think that the Terminator wars are here and James Cameron just got the goodies and baddies backwards.
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Knee_Jerk_Sydney5 days ago
+7
You missed the point. They were goodies at the start. As long as they don't pair it with fully autonomous AI, we're still good.
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Neat_Egg_24745 days ago
+11
I got some bad news for you
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MarioVX5 days ago
+5
If I imagine myself in the shoes of Ukrainian decision making I'd put fully autonomous systems on very high priority to work towards right now, for two big reasons: scalability and robustness against electrical countermeasures. One expert human drone operator can operate one drone at a time, hard cap. If drone production outscales recruitment and education of human operators, the only way to really utilize their potential beyond that point is automation. And electronical countermeasures typically aim at jamming the communication between drone and operator in some way, so go figure how to avoid that.
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OptimistIndya5 days ago
+4
We need to automate, cause humans can make errors, is the theme in every tech company
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JholaWalaBaba5 days ago
+19
They should put the picture of Putin on these robots too. It is as if Putin is killing these people (which is true), and probably the soldiers would hesitate to shoot at their dear Comrade. Also, they should have loudspeakers added which says "Meat grind these young guys!" in Russian.
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Discount_Extra5 days ago
+4
and animate putin's face with the lower part moving like a South Park character when speaking.
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Blahblahman235 days ago
+32
First drones, and now robots. Eventually it will just be tech bots fighting tech bots… which is good, I guess. Better than real people dying
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Perfect_Opposite21135 days ago
+28
I’m sure real people will still die. If you have something somebody wants they will take it from you wether by human or mechanical force. At the very least maybe a more merciful death because torture and other gruesome acts will become inefficient. But I guess the robots could still be programmed to do those things.
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SaltWealth59025 days ago
+15
It's not good in the sense that it lowers risk for starting wars.
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Nethan20005 days ago
+7
It's gonna be fewer soldiers dying. Civilians will still keep getting killed.
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Dry_Ass_P-word5 days ago
+40
The shittiest future is upon us.
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ThatGuyWithCoolHair5 days ago
+9
ARC Raiders has prepared me
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Kelnozz5 days ago
+8
Yeah, we took a turn onto the wrong timeline. 😔
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dany_crow5 days ago
+6
Makes me think of the TV show "Travelers", not for the bombing part, but for the wrong timeline.
Damn that show was so good, it's not well known but should be, one of the few show I rewatched !
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Icy_Tune28345 days ago
+23
Well done Ukraine .. Now slowly use these mechanized land drones to push them back and keep hitting their oil /gas infrastructure , Like the Mafia . Oil/Gas money is power in Russia.
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theflickingnun5 days ago
+7
Ai driven drones are about to be deployed, then ground robots that eventually will also be autonomous.
I watched a movie about this once, didn't know it was a documentary.
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mahlingbo5 days ago
+7
Gundams soon
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____DEADPOOL_______5 days ago
+7
I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.
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Linux-Ranch5 days ago
+19
I can't imagine what it would be like to face a swarm of robots. Each bent on destroying the highest value target it can find.
A robot ambush, where a Ukrainian "mobile mine" sits in wait for the Russian front line to approach, then springs into action, day or night.
Those robots could easily be bullet resistant and/ or bullet tolerant, to the point that it can continue to operate, even if damaged, means that Russia must completely destroy every one of them.
If the robots are built with bullet resistance built in, it may take something like an RPG-7 to kill each one.
Can you imagine having to ruck a launcher and a munition for every encounter? (As opposed to a rifle and a round or two!) And since its easy to miss with an RPG, you might need more than one!
Yep... Putin just doesn't know he's lost this war. Yet!
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BalancedDisaster5 days ago
+5
There’s a Harry Turtledove series called the Worldwar series. It’s about an alternate timeline where WW2 gets interrupted by an alien invasion. The humans eventually push the aliens back enough that they retreat. They spend the time before the next attack learning and integrating the alien tech into their own militaries. When the aliens come back, they’re utterly humiliated by earth forces and eventually lose with their only accomplishment having been to rapidly accelerate the technological development of Earth. The aliens were of a species that perceived time differently than humans and thus took much longer to advance in general. Their initial probe was sent in the 12th century and by the time the invasion arrived, they were less than a century ahead of human technology.
I imagine that this is what it’s like to be a Russian soldier these days.
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havenoir5 days ago
+14
Honestly, Ukraine has been amazing in this war; no one expected this. At this point, they have the most advanced military, and the most advanced tactics in the world.
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RoastedPotato-1kg5 days ago
+4
imagine getting killed by an amazon delivery robot
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WeeBo-X5 days ago
+7
Your package had been delivered *robot tea bag*
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Ynddiduedd5 days ago
+5
I get, and agree with, the sentiment about replacing soldiers with robots being generally dystopian. But it also kind of reads like "We're tired of wasting people on you," which is kind of neat.
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Normal-Ear-57575 days ago
+18
Do you want Terminators? Cos that's how you get Terminators.
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fross3705 days ago
+4
F*** knows id rather be an ukrainian drone operator vs a russian walking cannon fodder
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AGrandNewAdventure5 days ago
+5
Ukraine is going to have the singularly most advanced army in the world when all this bullshit is over.
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teressapanic5 days ago
+5
They took our jobs!
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NagromNitsuj5 days ago
+4
And so it begins, the clone wars have started.
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Zdzisiu5 days ago
+10
Oh shit, it's starting.
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star_nosed_mole_man5 days ago
+7
Not surprising really, ukraine just doesn't have enough men to hold the Frontline properly anymore ( neither does Russia to easily attack though). I saw a video from a foreign fighter there claiming that the vast majority of Ukrainian units were below half strength currently at the front.
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Majestic-Cantaloupe45 days ago
+11
Russia will eventually capture them and then it will soon be the beginning of the robot wars.
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LetterNo78295 days ago
+6
Robot wars have been on BBC since I was kid.
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noradosmith5 days ago
+5
Phillipa Forrester the White will finally fulfill her destiny
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