It's actually insanely impressive they've been able to do this
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NoDiamond34453 days ago
+6
They are the most combat capable ground army in the world right now.
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Fishing4Beer4 days ago
+2
It is insanely impressive what they can do when Elon Musk’s Starlink isn’t one of their resources.
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things_U_choose_2_b4 days ago
+102
And while Ukraine is focusing on military targets, Russia is bombing civilians. Standard operating procedure.
This post has reminded me, it's been a few months since I donated to Ukraine. If you're reading this and you can spare a fiver...
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TSED4 days ago
+28
> And while Ukraine is focusing on military targets, Russia is bombing civilians. Standard operating procedure.
This is how the Brits won the Battle of Britain against the Nazis.
Strange how many parallels there are...
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mitchumz4 days ago
-9
As soon as German air superiority waned the Brits and USAAF were shoving bombs up anything that even smelled German
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TSED4 days ago
+24
Brother, the Battle of Britain was finished before the USA even joined the war.
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ChedCapone4 days ago
+2
The Germans never had air superiority. The Luftwaffe was a formidable foe in the early stages of the war, but the industrial capacity of the Allies could never be matched by Germany. Britain was also much better at keeping its pilots alive, whilst Germany wasn't.
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NeedsMoreSpaceships3 days ago
+2
The problem was more the airfields. If Germany had continued targeting air fields in the south east instead of switching to bombing cities they could maybe have gained superiority.
Also as noted this was prior to the US joining, so the UK's native industrial capacity for new aircraft was a big problem too.
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[deleted]4 days ago
+41
I agree. I'm on Team Ukraine. Must be too much nuance for Americans on Listnook. Haha.
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10YearsANoob4 days ago
-68
I remember 4 years ago some fuckwit saying that it was Ukraine's fault for letting civillians get bombed. I f****** love american leftists
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chardee-macdennis-14 days ago
+87
I've never heard a leftist say that though? If anything, that would be a republican thing, the people on Russias side?
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nukacola124 days ago
+16
I recently met a tankie leftist out in the wild in person. We were on a date when she said that Russia is a bastion of freedom against NATO.
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Seeker-N73 days ago
+1
No. A tankie is specifically a commie who condoned the usage of tanks against civilians by the USSR and CCP.
They are far left authoritians.
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Talonsminty4 days ago
+22
Some terminally online Leftists hate NATO and are wierdly fond of Russia due to it's commie past.
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ds6374 days ago
+43
Some terminally ill real life magas hate NATO and elected a clown who wants to destroy it. They also happen to love Russia because of its supposed Christian values.
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bjaekt4 days ago
+18
That’s called horseshoe theory. Far left and far right being not that far off of each other in terms of their respective goals and values
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Agitated_Ad75764 days ago
+9
I remember an old article about Israel and Palestine that said the problems came from the most extreme 10% of people on each side.
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SpacedApe4 days ago
+10
Reasons why I can't stand idealists is often times it feels like they think their utopia just needs a few more deaths to be reached.
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amateurbreditor4 days ago
+4
lol a theory you can google and see that no one actually believes that to be true because it is an insane proposal based on absolutely no evidence in real life. The far left likes fascism? LOL ok. Keep smoking crack. The AI thing says its used by centrists to discredit those on the left... aka something some idiot would say thinking someone else would believe it. Its nonsense. no one on the left likes russia or would be pro killing of civilians.
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bjaekt4 days ago
+8
Hey i am left wing social democrat myself, i don’t believe that theory and agree it legitimises centrists policies, just brought it up for discussion. However one could argue that historically far left and far right (and im talking the furthest ones) policies used similar means to achieve their goals, like secret police, propaganda, power centralization etc. Both resulted in terror states that created ruling class owning everything and terrorizing the poor who even thought of changing things.
Also no one on left isn’t supporting ruzzia isn’t entirely accurate, bar tankies, russian intelligence does infiltrate far left parties in Europe as well, though to lesser extent than far right. For example Die Linke in Germany used to be pro ruzzian atleast up to their split with BSW. Even now they are h******* pacifists which unfortunately indirectly would benefit RU as well. But yes, it’s much less common than in far right.
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PenaltyGreedy67374 days ago
+6
look up any commie sublistnook on listnook and search ukraine, you'll be amazed what you'll find
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JarOfNightmares4 days ago
+1
This is the real answer
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chardee-macdennis-14 days ago
+3
You can honestly, say anything. That's not how the truth works though. Lots of non online, news watching Republicans think Ukraine should've dropped their pants and let Russia have their way with them 4 years ago.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+7
Most “tankies” I know lost all affection for Russia when it invaded Ukraine. The same applies to the Red Party in my country.
All pro Russia people I know today are on the far right.
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PenaltyGreedy67374 days ago
+6
Maybe back in 2022, nowadays it isn't hard to find tankies on social media fellating russia because they idolize the USSR. They don't even pretend Russia did anything bad anymore, now they just call Ukrainians fascists therefore Russia can do no wrong.
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chardee-macdennis-14 days ago
+1
Hmmmm, I doubt russias misinformation programs have nothing to do with this......
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Talonsminty4 days ago
+11
Huh most of the tankies I've spoken to or seen online are both-siding the situation. Sure Russia's invasion is immoral but if NATO hadn't XYZ then Russia wouldn't have invaded.
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csanjuan4 days ago
+1
Pero esos son zurdos porque escriben con la mano izquierda ¿no?, es algo raro que a alguien de ideas izquierdistas le guste un mandatario de ultraderecha.
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Talonsminty4 days ago
+1
It's very strange and illogical. But it's a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they despise NATO more than anything so they make excuses for Putin.
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chardee-macdennis-14 days ago
+1
As much as Republicans will hate hearing this. Leftist aren't communists..... and conservatives aren't capitilists.....
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Settra_Rulez4 days ago
+3
Elements of both the right and left converge in anti West sentiment in the US. The left in particular criticizes the Western liberal order as being a guise for capitalist control and culturally imperialist.
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DrunkEngr4 days ago
+2
Amnesty International blamed Ukraine for civilian deaths:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
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chardee-macdennis-14 days ago
+2
So, by my reasoning. The alternative, would be to make less strategic bases and armaments, which would lead Ukraine to be less effective and in the end lose their advantages, which would totally ensue more Ukrainian civilian deaths by Russia and allow Russians to take over. I'm sure they aren't making these decisions lightly and have thought the pros and cons out. Russia bombed plenty of civilians without Ukrainian army bases nearby.
Edit: this article is also almost 4 years old.....
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Red_black_flag_074 days ago
+2
This is a false report, compiled by people who have never been to Ukraine. Its main premise is the "deployment of Ukrainian Armed Forces in residential areas," which justifies Russia's bombing of residential areas.
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GravyFantasy4 days ago
+1
Crazy enough that it's worth considering someone's being intentional with it. Online forums aren't a safe place for naive/trusting/easily convinced people to be anymore. Just think for yourself and find some hobby subs that you enjoy, that's all I use listnook for. And to loosely follow the news (that's always slanted anyway).
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Alexius084 days ago
+1
The far-left political parties where I'm from lean towards Russia due to being blindly anti-West.
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chardee-macdennis-13 days ago
+1
Are you from Russia? That would make sense
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Alexius083 days ago
+1
From the Philippines. I'm referring to the Makabayan Bloc (AKA the Patriotic Bloc), whose members and representatives have parroted anti-Ukraine talking points about Russia's invasion.
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chardee-macdennis-12 days ago
+1
Ahh sounds like our Republicans (right wingers)
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Holden_Coalfield4 days ago
+6
Ya no
but Slava Ukraini
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JarOfNightmares4 days ago
+1
They are scum and they know it. Look at them down voting you
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RealWorldToday4 days ago
+178
When will Russia realize Ukraine will never give in and back off. Zelensky will never give in. They have such great resolve and will keep coming at Russia. Putin has to be weary at some point knowing thankfully he will never achieve what he wanted.
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AgentElman4 days ago
+104
Russia realized long ago that Ukraine will not give up.
That is why Russia has instead turned its attention to manipulating Western governments to try to end their support for Ukraine. Russia got their agent elected president of the U.S., they are working on trying to control the other countries as well.
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Ree_For_Thee4 days ago
+11
> manipulating Western governments to try to end their support for Ukraine
It's not working though, so the only solution is for some oligarch (or lucky citizen) to end Putin's reign.
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ShermanMcTank4 days ago
+23
At this point Putin is just caught in a gambler’s fallacy. Pulling out would make him and the country face the reality that they wasted tens of thousands of young men’s lives and depleted large parts of their equipment stockpiles for nothing, so instead he prefers spending more lives and equipment, because everything will work out when ~~Steiner counterattacks~~ the Ukrainian army collapses
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Fritzkreig4 days ago
+8
*that they wasted tens of thousands of young men’s lives*
They have suffered over a million casualties and at least a quarter of a million KIA.
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Ree_For_Thee4 days ago
+3
> Pulling out would make him and the country face the reality that they wasted tens of thousands of young men’s lives and depleted large parts of their equipment stockpiles for nothing
Eh, they realized that in Afghanistan too, but nothing came of it. He's essentially in the free to stop, at least for that reason (I mean, their economy might collapse if they stop the war economy but hey).
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NeedsMoreSpaceships3 days ago
+1
At this point their economy will collapse if they win
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SnooMuffins40154 days ago
+29
How wearisome it must be for Putin to pick up the phone and talk to people who care less and less about the Russian Empire and who are just in it for the corruption money. The trumpet music he once heard must sound dissonant now. The walls are closer in and the carpet is musty and worn. His days are probably spent trying to eke out money from Peter to pay Paul. I hope that after his passing, his ghost will be stuck in this sad administrative shuffling for eternity.
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PmMeCuteDogsThanks_4 days ago
+16
Wild of you to assume that Putin is in it for any other reason
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TheSleepyTruth3 days ago
+1
Well it took them 9 years for the Soviets to realize Afghanistan will never give in and before they withdrew in the late 1980s, so if thats any precedent we've got a ways to go.
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eskimospy2123 days ago
+1
This isn’t about Russia this is about Putin. If he surrenders he gets arrested or killed.
He made a world big mistake but now he can’t go back.
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motherseffinjones4 days ago
+68
F*** ya i love to hear it and i hope they take back their country
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oakpope4 days ago
+29
I don’t understand the concept of regaining the control of frontline. You push the frontline by regaining territory, no ?
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Esarus4 days ago
+50
For the past few months, Russia had the initiative and was constantly on the attack. Ukraine was very slowly losing ground and was constantly reacting. What they mean by regaining control of the frontline is that it’s stabilising and they’re no longer frantically reacting and losing ground.
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battles4 days ago
+22
less iranian drones to fight?
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snowgoon_4 days ago
+18
Russia have been making their own Shahed drones for a while now.
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MasterOlive60604 days ago
+10
So many young people have been sent to die over borders and land.
I think once this is over, and their people know peace there has to be a serious question asked. Was the death of a generation of young men worth it?
I don’t think anyone can truly comprehend the meaning hundreds of thousands of lives. Imagine the loss of a loved one, but for hundreds of thousands of families in the span of x years. People who didn’t need to die
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MasterOlive60604 days ago
+7
We all hammer on about Putin and the Russian empire. But what about all the young Russian men who had no choice but to fight Ukraine?
What about those who didn’t know any better?
How many soldiers on both sides do you think regretted their being there? As they lay dying on a battlefield in a firefight not even worth a sentence in Wikipedia, missing limbs, going cold, alone.
How many would have done anything to be anywhere else?
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The_Grinning_Reaper4 days ago
+3
Most of them are they voluntarily for the money. Not conscripted.
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Jman1a4 days ago
+5
Boo f****** hoo. If the Russians cared they would be rioting.
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DunkingTea4 days ago
+7
Easy to say when you’re tucked up nicely in a democratic society where you wont be locked up and killed without a fair trial just for opposing the government’s actions. For most, the choice is death at home, or fight and possibly survive.
Some have either been brainwashed to believing what they are doing is ok. Or do not want to be there but don’t have a choice. It’s sad whichever way you look at it. Pointless loss of life for a few mad men’s trophy hunt.
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Silent-Winner56734 days ago
+1
Welcome to earth. Every day we go to work and pay taxes we are approving of this system. Everyone's just doing their job and all that.
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Silent-Winner56734 days ago
+3
If you've seen what nations do when they aren't beaten back, you'd understand why paying the steep price to fend them off is important.
It's that or a total genocide.
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MasterOlive60604 days ago
+1
Annexation isn’t genocide. The question that I think needs to be thought about by everyone is:
Is the lives of hundreds of thousands, livelihoods of millions and destruction worth the independence of Ukraine?
I’m not saying it isn’t for the record; I’m just asking why people think the ends justify the means
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NeedsMoreSpaceships3 days ago
+1
Would you want to live in Russia? And the Ukrainians would get treated a lot worse than native Russians.
Ukraine has been a horrific war zone multiple times in the 20th century, and always abused by Russia. Stalin deliberately starved millions there for political convenience.
It is not a sterile choice for them, they know better than you or I what independence is worth.
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Sterling_____Archer4 days ago
+3
Out-frickin-standing. 😎
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gmamaureen4 days ago
+3
Ukraine is amazing ( kinda like Minnesota). So impressive.
I am still furious over our country’s abandonment of Ukraine. We made deals we’ve reniged on and generally pissed on them (thanks trump).
Glory to Ukraine
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clearly_quite_absurd4 days ago
+32
What do Minnesota and Ukraine have in common?
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madmike994 days ago
+16
Drinking and pierogis
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Defiant-Economics-734 days ago
+1
Ukraine is basically Minnesota if you think about it.
Cold? Yes.
Tough people? Yes.
Survives brutal winters and even worse neighbors? Absolutely.
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TSED4 days ago
+4
> Minnesota
> brutal winters and even worse neighbors
As a Canadian: hey, uncalled for :(
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DownHouse4 days ago
+3
They’re referring to the dakotas. Wisconsin is trying their best, but you all are our bestest beaver buddies.
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hollyglaser4 days ago
+1
Hurrah
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999_hh4 days ago
+1
Get it!
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luismartinezz194 days ago
+1
Best news in a while, I wish you the best Ukraine !🇺🇦
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Mac629614 days ago
+1
Nice well done
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[deleted]4 days ago
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[deleted]4 days ago
+13
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Woolier-Mammoth4 days ago
+6
The end game is political, Ukraine appears to be able to indefinitely withstand Russian assaults and the front line is largely unchanged despite intense fighting and huge casualty numbers over the last six months.
Russia can keep chucking missiles over the fence but Ukrainian missile and drone technology is improving both in range and payload. Russia is increasingly war weary, this will be over within the next 18 montha
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[deleted]4 days ago
-38
I'm pro-Ukraine but I've been seeing headlines like this for years now yet the frontline seems exactly the same. Any actual meaningful gains or this is just more fluff?
Edit: lol at presumably the Americans downvoting me who can't talk about nuance and I imagine thinking I'm talking some pro-Russia point (I'm not. Haha.)
Welcome to the world when it's not Team Red and Team Blue and you actually have to make sophisticated decisions, unlike your president who will have you morons stuck in Iran by attacking it and having no exit strategy.
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G_Morgan4 days ago
+34
There haven't been headlines like this for years. Ukraine has consistently and slowly fallen back since their counter attack stalled out in the first year. The last 3 months Ukraine has been consistently making small gains.
What people have said, consistently, was that Russia would run out of steam about 2026 and look they are suddenly going backwards.
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[deleted]4 days ago
-25
Sure, mate. This has been the same sort of post and comments for years now. I've come to realise that Americans seem to view this as cheering on their favourite sports team.
By the way, I am from a country that continues to send aid to Ukraine, which I strongly support. Amazing seeing the dumb Yanks here whose government has completely betrayed Ukraine but still chip in to cheer their team. Says a lot about you morons.
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Aedeus4 days ago
+8
>Amazing seeing the dumb Yanks here whose government has completely betrayed Ukraine but still chip in to cheer their team. Says a lot about you morons
Wait, you're upset that Americans who still support Ukraine, lol?
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G_Morgan4 days ago
+23
Right I wasn't sure before but I am now. You are just one of the Russian spam farm trying to create an environment of exhaustion. Nobody is buying it.
Month old account with hidden comments. Speaks for itself
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[deleted]4 days ago
-16
No quite the opposite. I'm just sick of you dumb automated Americans. What from "I support Ukraine" did you deduce that Russia somehow pays me, moron? Lol
Edit: sorry I have a life outside of Listnook lmao. 1.2 million karma. You must have such a great life making Internet points your whole social life, haha. Sorry you're butthurt about living a sad life in a shithole. By the way, I think both Russia and America are fascist shitholes. You deserve to mirror image each other.
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Own-Weather-99194 days ago
+14
Your account is 1 month old.
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Professional-Ad38744 days ago
+5
Your non-stop whining about America tells me that you are more likely as much or more of an idiot than everyone you are attacking. The US is fine, still a great place to live. This is obvious unless you are foolish enough to believe the panic, hype and melodrama online... but maybe you are.
I do agree with you partially. Hidden comments are better so that people stay on subject instead of spending hours looking for ways to insult people online.
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glmory4 days ago
+41
Ukraine has successfully been holding off Russia for longer than Germany held up against Stalin. In that time there have been lots of meaningful gains such as the city of Kherson.
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[deleted]4 days ago
-14
Sure, I agree. But I read posts years ago about how they're kicking ass so much and how Russia is about to collapse. And yet here we still are years later.
I wonder if we're going to have this same conversation years from now.
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abraxasnl4 days ago
+30
Ukraine for the most part plays defense. Doing that, they (very) slowly lose land while Russia loses a generation of men. In the past months, Ukraine has actually taken back land. That’s been incredibly rare. You’ve heard about successes, and there have been many throughout the war. But Ukraine’s successes were never measured in square miles.
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[deleted]4 days ago
-15
Lol at the non-metric units.
Yes it is indeed impressive that they've held out this long. My point is questioning the sustainability and wondering if it might get frozen like this for a long time.
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Embarrassed_Force8614 days ago
+16
> questioning the sustainability
For Putin? No it's not sustainable.
For Ukraine? As long as EU keeps supporting them at least at current levels, yes it is. Zelensky (backed by MI6 too) said that situation at the front is the best it has been in the last 10 months.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+3
The Nordic countries are in friendly competition over who can donate the most.
Ukraine will be fine.
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Aedeus4 days ago
+5
>But I read posts years ago
On your other account?
And you just decided to make one less than a month ago..?
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BestFriendWatermelon4 days ago
+5
Yep...:
>But I read posts years ago about how they're kicking ass so much
Clearly bait.
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FluffyGreenThing4 days ago
+11
With Ukraine successfully attacking Russian oil refineries and the like I don’t think so. Russia has been making a lot of its money through its shadow fleet, which allied nations are now also going at by seizing ships so their revenue will be diminished going forward despite Trump’s attempts at aiding Putin in that regard by easing sanctions.
War isn’t a straight line usually. It’s more of an ocean of chaos. Some battles are lost others are won on both sides so there’s this natural push and pull effect. However there’s no disputing the fact that Ukraine has great momentum now, again- despite Trump’s best efforts. I wish with all my heart that Ukraine can push Russia out and take back what is theirs. Nothing would make me happier. The strength, courage, resilience and determination the Ukrainian fighters and people have shown throughout this entire ordeal has been inspiring and I hope they will receive the appreciation they deserve from the rest of Europe and the EU especially going forward.
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bigeyez4 days ago
+8
Because the media we get shown is pro-western. A Russian citizen would say the exact same thing but slanted their way. For every video you see posted of Ukrainian drones taking out Russian soldiers and vehicles there exists videos of Russians doing the same thing but you just wont see them on listnook or Twitter as much.
That being said Ukraine has been doing a solid job recently retaking some key bits of territory from Russia and bogging down Russian offensives. Ukraine is fighting against an enemy with more soldiers and more overall resources and doing a tremendous job holding the Russians back and inflicting casualties on them.
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[deleted]4 days ago
Exactly my point. Thank you.
And precisely why the frontline will be frozen for a long time while both sides claim epic victories.
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10YearsANoob4 days ago
+10
> yet the frontline seems exactly the same.
because it went forward and then back to where it was a year or two ago
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[deleted]4 days ago
-6
Yes I agree. Thank you for proving my point about misunderstanding what I'm saying.
Tell me you're from a two-party system without telling me.
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Dancing_Anatolia4 days ago
+8
Now talk about how the ~~Soviet Empire~~ glorious USSR only improved the life of it's ~~colonies~~ brother nations.
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PenaltyGreedy67374 days ago
+5
It isn't really meaningful. "4 settlements" in Zaporizhia means they retook 4 villages in Zaporizhia since January, which is not much. It is however much faster than the pace at which Russia seized the territories in question.
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Professional-Ad38744 days ago
I'm just downvoting you because you wrote an edit to cry about it. I'm probably not alone there either.
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BrexitFool4 days ago
-9
I struggle to believe this is Putin’s will. Has he not got anything better to do? Is there someone behind forcing him to do this? Maybe someone who got him the job in the first place?
It feels like a fools errand to me.
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JarOfNightmares4 days ago
+3
You know *absolutely nothing* about Russian politics apparently
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BrexitFool4 days ago
+1
Enlighten me then as you know absolutely everything about Russian politics.
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JarOfNightmares4 days ago
+3
Nope just more than you apparently. If you think someone is controlling Putin and he would not do this on his own volition, it means you've never read any biographies on him, and you don't know how he came into power.
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