It's one thing me running out of diesel and not being able to go to the pub, I can't imagine the stress running out while fighting for your country
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Emotional_News1083 days ago
+108
The good news here is that your body runs perfectly fine on ethanol. Okay, maybe not perfectly, but you should still be able to walk to and stumble back home from the pub.
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Musclecar1232 days ago
+1
Gonna be some fryer oil tank conversions coming soon.
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SmegmaWarrior08152 days ago
-11
Isn't it basically trench warfare now with very little movement? They probably use way less diesel than you'd think.
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Betta_Check_Yosef2 days ago
+20
Supply lines. Troops in trenches still need to eat and load their guns. They can do neither with what is in their immediate vicinity, so food and ammo must be brought to them. How do you imagine said supplies get there?
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pittaxx2 days ago
+2
Not to mention that trenches still need power, and people in them need to stay warm, cook food, run communications and so on.
And you still need to keep the rest of the country running when the power-plants keep getting drone'd....
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Free_Stomach_67672 days ago
+4
But what about the drones? /s
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FairGeneral88042 days ago
+2
> Isn't it basically trench warfare now with very little movement? They probably use way less diesel than you'd think.
They probably use way more, artillery doing shoot and scoot, thousands of trucks and cars cycling people and gear 24/7, industrial production, everything needs heating (inefficient, because I doubt they're doing fancy thermal insulation jobs on field bunkers) and lights, comms and electronics running 24/7 on batteries and generators, fuel for cooking, etc.
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J_Kant2 days ago
+2
Ukraine's power grid is in bad shape. They depend heavily on generators for basic services.
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Immediate_Matter91392 days ago
+1
Bahaha
Ok dude
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latentnomrn3 days ago
+1228
This is the "Security for Energy" swap of the century. Zelenskyy basically took Ukraine’s most valuable asset—real-world combat experience against Iranian tech—and traded it for a 10-year energy lifeline. It’s a huge blow to the idea that Ukraine is just a "drain" on Western resources; they’re actually exporting security now.
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thefunkybassist3 days ago
+340
I don't know how they do it, but they know how to leverage any potential strategic partnerships for reasons that are usually compelling for both sides.
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to_glory_we_steer3 days ago
+313
They do it by having some really competent people and institutions, and no other option than to deliver results or face destruction of the Ukrainian identity.
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HYDROMORPHONE_ZONE3 days ago
+106
Yeah when shit gets real, people tend to stop f****** around unlike here in the US
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paraknowya3 days ago
+74
A lot of ussr‘s missile & rocket science came from Ukraine.
Also, the only rocket the russians can shoot someone into space with (the soyuz), was developed by an Ukrainian.
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Ludwigofthepotatoppl2 days ago
+13
And the shipbuilding, and most of the wheat, and a lot else besides.
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CharMakr903 days ago
+17
Not really comparable tbf.
To make it more fair, it would be like if Canada invaded the US and took control of the whole eastern seaboard, while actively trying to destroy the whole country to exterminate american identity and culture.
If Americans were still not taking things seriously by that point, then they would be beyond fucked.
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Martzillagoesboom2 days ago
-6
We already have a surplus of special agents infiltrated in place like Hollywoods , or anywhere there a major NHL presence.
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TheRealArturis2 days ago
-14
I promise you if the USA ever got fully serious in the face of a legitimate existential threat, She would make Ukraine look like a coughing ant
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Fewluvatuk2 days ago
+10
We are facing a legitimate existential threat right now and we're responding like a coughing ant.
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TheRealArturis2 days ago
-13
Really? There's a Foreign Power trying to make a land grab in the USA right now? Must be recent no?
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atomvinter3 days ago
+16
Yep, they've been big in aerospace stuff for decades, Antonov is a famous one, so no big surprise when you think about it
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socialistrob2 days ago
+20
And because Ukraine has genuinely innovated in war and technology. I have seen this often sort of weird paternalistic notion in the west where people just assume "NATO countries can do everything Ukraine can but 10 times better" and write off any Ukrainian achievements as simply a result of Russian incompetence and stupidity.
The reality is that Ukraine knows air defense and drones probably better than any nation in the world. They have some serious expertise to share and the countries that learn from Ukraine will have an advantage over the next few years.
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Weak-Subject937610 hr ago
+1
Hahahaha. I'm a Marine AAD tech so reading this is hilarious. Civilians have zeroooo idea about whats going on in Ukraine, their drones and their "innovation," 😂
I'll give you a hint, they may have had help and a lot of training but certain drone techs from certain countries... So they say. Nothing about their drones are indigenous, at all. Lol
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diemenschmachine2 days ago
+5
Just imagine the current US leadership trying to navigate that situation
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to_glory_we_steer2 days ago
+2
I'd rather not imagine that
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Smushfist2 days ago
+2
It also helps that Zelenskyy is a competent politician/leader.
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latentnomrn3 days ago
+158
Ukraine basically just became the world's highest-paid security consultant. It’s like they walked into the Gulf and said, "Nice oil refineries, would be a shame if a swarm of lawnmower-sounding drones hit them... anyway, here's our 2026 defense catalog." It’s hard to argue with a partner who can literally show you the receipts of what they’ve shot down this morning.
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socialistrob2 days ago
+16
It also helps that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states can essentially turn to any country and say "we'll take it" for weapons. Ukraine's interceptor drones are very c**** and so Saudi Arabia doesn't have to carefully consider whether they want an American or Ukrainian system. They can just say "yes" to both. Ukrainian weapons can also be delivered in a matter of days rather than in a matter of years.
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Mateorabi2 days ago
+3
Can Ukraine then also manufacture both their and Saudi defenses in Saudi Arabia instead of Ukrainian factories and ship their own back home?
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socialistrob2 days ago
+13
That wouldn't be a good idea for Ukraine. They developed these weapons and they make them in Ukraine. Once the facilities are ramped up they can produce a massive quantity of them which is why Ukraine now has enough that they can export them. Ukraine is also a very strong manufacturing country and by having them in Ukraine the Ukrainians can more closely guard locations and production secrets.
Moving the production to Saudi Arabia would mean the Saudi Government could cut Ukraine off from interceptors at a moment's notice. Saudi is also not great at manufacturing things and the labor costs would be higher which would make the interceptors more expensive. Ukraine couldn't be as sure that Russia wouldn't find the facilities if they were outside Ukraine and Ukraine wouldn't be making as much money off the sale.
Right now Ukraine making and selling the weapons gives them important leverage, makes them cheaper and gives Ukraine more security. They're not going to want to move production to Saudi Arabia unless they get something very good in return.
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AssociationPlane42043 days ago
+7
nicely written!
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Annual__Procedure3 days ago
-24
What is up with these ai replies
-24
zyntaxable3 days ago
+11
What's ai about it
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SpyDiego3 days ago
+15
What if the guy saying it is ai is actually ai
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green_pachi3 days ago
+8
With bots reposting successful comments it probably happens often
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Practical_Chemtrail3 days ago
+2
AI caption!!!
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helm3 days ago
+1
They just want to poison the well.
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Annual__Procedure2 days ago
-1
Its clearly copy pasted from ChatGPT / another llm. Actually rereading it maybe not this reply but the original comment definitely is and the big em dash is a hint for that
-1
userhwon2 days ago
+22
The actual art of the deal.
Not that crayon-on-cardboard hype that Trump wears.
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MATlad2 days ago
+2
He didn't even write it, and gave the actual author (Tony Schwartz) a far more sweetheart deal than was standard (and then tried to reclaim it by getting nickels and dimes off of him at publication!)
Like most people, he regrets it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZS53mWLfA
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Guardian6676-66673 days ago
+8
By not being run by entitled uneducated "professional" politicians
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DifficultStory3 days ago
+4
There’s nothing like imminent death to focus the mind
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Electrifying20172 days ago
+1
The beauty of competence
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pittaxx2 days ago
+1
"Necessity is the mother of invention"
People can be very enterprising when they don't have a choice not to be. And Ukraine had been proving that again and again over the last few years.
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Zulmoka5312 days ago
+21
Huge amount of egg on Trump’s face since he refused similar help, Iran is blowing up in his face, his Gulf state “allies” are working with Ukraine and Ukraine’s attacks on Russian oil has pretty much nullified the sanctions Trump lifted.
Love to see things come full circle.
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I-Have-An-Alibi3 days ago
+26
Pffffft "the west" is f****** up their own resources and blaming anything that sticks.
Trump alone has fucked up the equilibrium of the world.
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Spidero0w0o3 days ago
+21
Trump isn't the west. Europe and half of America hate him.
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I-Have-An-Alibi3 days ago
+7
He's in control. He's calling all the shots. Doesn't matter who hates him the moron is still running literally everything.
Maybe that half that hates him should've f****** voted more. Then you have all the idiots who didn't vote at all.
Americans need to stop acting like their not partially to blame for their governments failings.
Y'all let yourselves get slow walked into a dictatorship then pat each other on the back for getting together a couple weekends with marches and signs while Trump and his cronies are r literally bombing schools in the middle east and covering up a massive decades long child trafficking network.
But yeah complain about gas prices or something.
Also traditionally "the west" has meant Europe and the US. Don't be pedantic.
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probablypoo3 days ago
+10
How is he calling all the shots?
US stopped all aid to Ukraine over a year ago. He tried to force Ukraine to surrender in the "peace talks". Despite his best efforts Ukraine is holding and even gained back huge territory in the last month.
He tried to force NATO into a war with Iran and failed completely.
He tried to make EU countries buy more US weapons but only made the EU create The rearm Europe plan which incentivized EU countries to buy EU weapons making the US lose out on the biggest rearmament in history.
He's calling the shots on a sinking ship.
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I-Have-An-Alibi3 days ago
+7
I meant it as he's doing whatever he wants on a whim and no one is stopping/reigning him him. Congress has been out to lunch this entire presidency, Republicans control all three branche and have turned ICE into their own militarized police force. As far as in the US, he's totally in control as far as unchecked authority.
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TreatAffectionate4532 days ago
+2
It doesn't even seem like Trump knows what shots he's calling. He's just aiming at the bow of his own ship, then shouting, "FIRE!" because he likes to hear the cannon salvo.
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OhUrbanity3 days ago
+9
> Maybe that half that hates him should've f****** voted more. Then you have all the idiots who didn't vote at all.
Note that a lot of us in the West are in different countries from the United States and did not have the ability to vote for or against him.
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I-Have-An-Alibi3 days ago
-3
Talking to Americans with that one specifically. Best normal people in other countries can do is boycott the shit outta American made products and vote out any politicians that simp for Trump and his horrible policies.
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Xytak2 days ago
+2
Your point still collapses. I voted against Trump, but I only have one vote. Should I have voted twice? Of course not, because that would be illegal. Thus it's impossible for me to have "voted more." It's easy to sit in another country and blame all Americans, but the reality is more nuanced.
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I-Have-An-Alibi2 days ago
-5
Do MORE than just voting you [ redacted ], no my point doesn't collapse, ffs.
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AssistX3 days ago
+2
Are you an American acting like you're not American?
That or you're a really confused non-American trying to Y'all us.
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I-Have-An-Alibi3 days ago
+3
I'm an American not acting like anything? I just refuse to use the word "we" when talking about the current administration and government and citizens.
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AssistX2 days ago
+3
It's 'we' then bud. 'We' do not get to exempt ourselves because 'we' as a nation voted for this. American's are bombing Iran, American's kidnapped Maduro, America is shifting it's allies. As you said, you're American too. That's how the rest of the world views us, period.
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I-Have-An-Alibi2 days ago
+1
Excuse me but I did *not* vote for this, ergo I don't have to consider myself part of anything in opposition to that. I've done and am doing my part beyond just voting as well.
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Due-Egg54102 days ago
+2
Oh that's f****** rich. You don't get to exempt yourself buddy. If my attempts to do shit weren't enough, your attempts aren't either.
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I-Have-An-Alibi2 days ago
+1
I absolutely do have the right to exclude myself from the actions of an administration I did not vote for and wholly am opposed to. I have done and am also doing my due diligence beyond just voting.
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Lelu722 days ago
+1
FYI ‘the West’ also includes little ol New Zealand way down here 👋🏼and we have zero control over that orange buffoon and its decisions that are f****** up things everywhere in the world🫠
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I-Have-An-Alibi2 days ago
+1
Does it really? I'm genuinely asking. "The West" is apparently broader than I thought ideal wise.
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runner20123 days ago
+4
Is Ukraine modern Sparta?
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tryndamere123452 days ago
+2
Is he getting oil AFTER opening the Strait? I don't see Iran letting a shipment going to a country thats actually against them
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oskopnir3 days ago
+5
AI slop
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dun1982 days ago
+1
Seriously, how do people update this
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Morfe2 days ago
+2
Ukraine doing a better than the US to protect Gulf states, who would have believe this
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SeaworthinessSome4543 days ago
-16
It’s a great thing for Ukraine. They absolutely were a drain on the west at the beginning but now they provide actual value. It’s great to see and is exactly what should happen
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XAHKO3 days ago
+43
I find the insinuation shortsighted. The funds that went into supporting Ukraine were made in the context of a transaction; We give you money, you hold off this westwards advancing aggression so we don’t have to get our hands dirty.
If you see this support as a drain, then I imagine you also believe Putin would have his fill with Ukraine
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shatnersbassoon1233 days ago
+31
Honestly lately it feels like we’ve been seeing a lot of results from the past few years propaganda machine and it’s quite scary. How anyone could describe the situation in Ukraine as a ‘drain’ as opposed the brutal reality of assisting a country that’s defending their sovereignty against a superpower that will 100% expand their invasion is just so incredibly bizarre to me. It’s like blaming Poland for being invaded at the start of ww2.
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MaximumPepper1233 days ago
+47
These wars (or is it one big war?) have a confusing tangle of alliances.
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MiHumainMiRobot2 days ago
+29
Always have been. Look at the clusterfuck of alliances when WW1 started.
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Suspicious_Flower_02 days ago
+20
World War 2 started off with the Nazi's and Soviets in an "alliance" (Nazi's building their army and Stalin purging his ranks of officers. Or a very simplified version of events)
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nebrivor12 days ago
+8
Ahh Molotov-Ribbentrop...
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No_Poet_12792 days ago
+6
There's one root cause, and it's name is Putin.
Without him pulling the strings, trump would not be in office, hamas wouldn't have attacked Israel, UK would still be in the EU.
He's a cancer on the world.
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WeAreElectricity2 days ago
+3
It’s a top heavy political divide
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TriscuitCracker3 days ago
+117
Good for you Zelensky. Way to leverage what you have.
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14X8000m2 days ago
+7
He's got cards
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xmuskorx3 days ago
+106
Hmm, seems like Ukraine had cards all along.
I do have a feeling now, that this war will drag on AT LEAST untill the next US elections...
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mikropower83 days ago
-39
Ukraine does not have so much citizens which could fight. Even if they are getting a lot of money, weapons and ammunition, drones and food, they will run out of people.
Kyrylo Budanow said that Ukraine will get a problem with demographics if the war is not over till summer 2025.
Right now they count with the ability to get Ukrainian citizen out of Poland and Germany. But in Germany there are high legal hurdles, because every single Ukrainian can go to court and has the possibility to explain his position and reasons to be able to stay in Germany. Things like this will take years until a verdict was reached.
And the Ukrainians have attacked Russian vessels in the mediterranean sea, so there is the high possibility that the Russians will do this with the Ukrainian oil tanker too. They call it "mirror image reaction" and is a Russian war doctrine.
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xmuskorx3 days ago
+31
Neither side will run out of people.
Millions of Ukrainians and Russian died in ww2 and the war did not end.
This much smaller war with less than a million people fighting will NOT be decided by manpower shortage.
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mikropower82 days ago
-31
We had there in Ukraine around 19 million people, 50% of them are to old or to young. From this 9,5 million 50% are female and should not fight at the front line. From this 4,25 million you have a significant number of people which work for the government, industry, do repair of the power station and general work to maintain the streets and economy. You had around 2 - 2.5 million people which could really go and fight.
Right now Ukraine sends teacher, doctors, worker which should repair and build houses to the front line. I have seen a documentation of a German team which where in a Ukrainian camp, they did speak with this Ukrainian people there.
They have the hope to be in a drone team, but he possibility is very low.
They all are busificated, this means they where catched on the street with a little mini-bus and send directly to this camps. They have some weeks and will be send then to the front line. Many do not believe that this is really happening to them.
The guy which is the leader of this camp told her that the most of this people will not come back.
If you look now at the Russian soldiers, they are not directly forced to go to war. They have to go, because they are running out of money. They did work for western companies and as the war started all the western companies kicked them out and they had lost their job. This is the reason why Putin has now a lot of highly qualified people which he can use as iron fist against Ukraine.
If you see the Russian air dominance, much more artillery, FABs, their cruise missiles, then you see that it can not be easy to fight against the Russians.
From what I did hear and see during the time, the Ukrainian have now 2.2 million death on their side. Even if the Russians would have the same amount of death, then it is not important for them. The Russians have send 650,000 to Ukraine and then there are the fighter of the Donbass area, which are fighting for Russia too. Don't know how many this are and how much of them are death.
But even if the factor of death is 1:1, I do not know from where the Ukrainian army want to get this 30,000 new soldiers every month. Kyrylo Budanow said that Ukraine need 40,000 till 50,000 man to keep the front line how it is, every month.
The thing is, if you try to make out of unqualified people some good soldiers, you will fail. It does not work. You can not transform a history teacher or dentist to a soldier which is capable to win a battle. You would waste good qualified and educated people to hold the line for an additional day. This is not smart, because you do not get this people back if the war is over. And if you have won or lost with this outcome, will not make any difference.
I see this mainly from my perspective, we need here good worker which are compatible with our culture and the Ukrainian do really match. But they get wasted there in this useless war.
The Russian had only a partial mobilization, not a full mobilization. It would be a problem for the Russians if they have 20 million losses. For Ukraine it is right now a demographic catastrophe and this since nearly one year.
If you know the German asylum politics, then you understand that it is impossible to send this Ukrainian people back. We can not even send illegal migrants back in their country after a court has confirmed that they have no right to be in Germany. This means that I do not see any possibility that Ukraine could get additional soldiers.
But I would be interested in your theory how this could work.
Link to the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYXsv54NlA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYXsv54NlA)
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xmuskorx2 days ago
+27
>Ukrainian have now 2.2 million death on their side.
Lol. What weird propaganda is that.
Dismissed
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mikropower82 days ago
-15
Make at least the calculation. 30,000 \* 4 \* 12 = 1,44 million.
Now you have to add the losses of the Ukrainian offensives, there they had at least 3 times higher losses as the Russians. The Russians say 7 times higher losses.
Zelensky said that Ukraine has 55,000 losses (death) and you believe this? If they need every month more than 30,000 new soldiers to keep the front line?
If you like to work with data of wishful thinking and make decision based on this, okay.
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TheDirtyPilgrim2 days ago
+10
Nice try Sergei.
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mikropower82 days ago
-5
I am German, was in the German army and have prepared German soldiers to go to Kosovo during the KFOR mission.
The public did know far less as what we have experienced during the training and preparation for this mission. Now this will not be any different.
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xmuskorx2 days ago
+9
GIGO calculation.
I would estimate Ukrainian and Russian KIA losses at 100s of thousands not millions.
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0xFF00002 days ago
+2
The 55k figure is ridiculous agree, but re: your e.g. 30k/mo churn,
- are you not confusing fatalities (literal death) vs casualties (much broader term) vs overall churn rate (same person may return to battle e.g. when wounded etc)
- and re: churn, of those cases where they do not re-enter, they may still return to civilian life (unless it is a literal fatality e.g.)
I'm curious to check sources, I understand that official figures are pure propaganda, but your figures are also extreme. (I understand the notion of denial / wishful thinking, and I do not appreciate people mass-downvoting you)
If you later have info to further source your e.g. monthly figures (incl over longer timespan), would be much appreciated
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mikropower82 days ago
+1
The numbers that Ukraine gets 30,000 every month and would need 40,000 till 50,000 to keep the front line are from Kyrylo Budanow. You will find a video from him, he is a well know person in Ukraine.
This 30,000 are this people which are recruited and have no real experience with war, they had possibly one year military service like what we have in Germany (Grundausbildung).
From the numbers what I expect I can believe the most, around 50% of this soldiers get killed, 50% are injured or have no injury. From this injured soldiers the most will come back after the wounds are healed, but some have to big injuries which make it impossible to use this people at least at the front.
This people which heal and come back are not in the 30,000 new recruits. This are simply soldiers which are coming back. Under this soldiers the causality rate is not so big any more, but some have a long term injury what makes it a bit difficult to fight.
This are many parameters which decide how we have to evaluate the numbers.
The Ukrainians are possibly able to send 45,000 soldiers every month to the battlefield. From the number of more experienced soldiers which got send again to the front line or drone teams or infiltration groups, there will be losses too. I would say that we can calculate with 20,000 losses (death) per month.
I think the biggest weakness is that Ukraine try to advance in this war. The Russians use this method to let an area open. so that the Ukrainians can go in this area and reclaim it. But this is often pocket where the Ukrainian troupes got trapped. "Willy OAM" did show the war maps on youtube, there you could see it very well, but since a while he does not mention Ukraine any more.
I get less information of this war now. I mean possibly something has changed, but I do not know because of which reason this should be the case.
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0xFF00002 days ago
+1
Thank you, I want to review this later, I appreciate your reply (will want to watch as well, thx).
What I'll admit right away though is that (of course) demographically it's extremely unsustainable (obviously; but probably even worse than I thought). It's scary stuff. (I'm from LT, baltics).
Re: advancing, I don't know anything here, I wonder whether there likely are legit reasons, to push/establish/maintain frontlines, reclaim key chokepoints etc, because of course if not, then it's a death meatgrinder for them because Russians obviously will always win attrition game; but maybe even these assumptions are outdated by now, idk...
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mikropower82 days ago
+2
I have seen that the Russians are doing many mistakes, the Ukrainian are from the technical side stronger and they can adapt much better.
The problem is that our government has shown us that there is a law that people between 17 and 45 have to get the permission from the Bundeswehr if they want to leave the country. I really do not see what we could get out of this. The Russian side had shown that they offer good conditions which are good for us and for the Ukrainians. Because of this I do not understand why this war have to go on and on ...
Ukraine can still be in the EU, but now they will lose the Donbass area. From the military view, I do not see how the Ukrainian could change this. I was waiting now since 2 years that something is magically changing. Selensky is promising many things, but nothing of this became reality. But the European partners of Ukraine are making promises which are looking good, but this drone factory and ammunition factory can not make a real change on the battlefield. This is what they are doing right now and this new drones are only a very tiny bit better as what they have right now.
What is if the Russian adapt to this new situation too? If the Ukrainians have now many thousand drones which they could use, but then the Russians have their laser defense active and running.
The other thing is that the Russians can escalate this war several times, they have this possibility, many people forget this. They have shown that they are able to use the Oreschnik rocket. Putin is under pressure because other Russian politicians say that he is weak, the citizens believe that he is weak. They do not want to send their soldiers into this conflict zone any more, he should end this war like the Americans in Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Many Russian believe that the Americans would not risk a nuclear battle, especially in this situation where the USA and Europe is in a energy crisis.
Some other unexpected things could happen. I don't think that our politicians are really smart, they have done so insane stupid things in the last 6 years.
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MarTimator2 days ago
+2
Is your boss a guy named V. Putin by any chance? He also went by Vladimir P. sometimes.
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Agreeable_Tutor55033 days ago
+36
It's funny to me that literally everything seems to have gone wrong for Russia in this war, almost as if luck itself is acting against them. Every time something happens that should, in theory, benefit Russia greatly, I start dooming and thinking it's over. Yet every time, that thing somehow flips around and unintentionally benefits Ukraine. You would think the Iran war would've helped Russia, especially with Trump helping him by lifting sanctions? No, Ukraine just increased strikes on oil, effectively negating most profits, and are now signing deals with most of the ME countries.
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Freltzo2 days ago
+17
What you are witnessing is the collective results of incredibly driven, incredibly intelligent groups of people working in the background to make as much of opportunities as possible.
Ukraine now probably sits at the center of the most effective counter operation specialist of the world for government infiltration and saboteur work. It doesn't take massive flashy base raids or drone swarms. Simple chain of command incompetence that slows reactions, delays critical information, puts distrust between the validity of internal leadership.
People want to fantasize about USA being the worlds military peak, that hasn't been true for a long time. USA is best for getting there with overwhelming force and support with rapid global reach, but when it comes to sensitive governmental clandestine operations, they have fallen behind greatly and are currently incredibly exposed.
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Salt-Flounder-46903 days ago
+47
awesome deal, btw not done by the worlds best dealmaker ep-stained TACO... ROFL, well done Ukraine! keep the pressure on Russian oil infrastructure, greetings from Germany, we can handle 200% of fuel price for quite a while, give em hell, with regards from Germany, hope to see you soon in EU!
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Antique-Historian4412 days ago
+13
I am calling it now. Europe is going to pay to have Ukranian military to station troops, also to train troops.
Europe wants to use Ukraine as a sword. Ukraine wants to survive. It's a sad, but mutual beneficial relationship. I do think both need one another in so many ways.
Love Ukraine from Westen Europe ❤️
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HerrFerret3 days ago
+19
Trump turned out to be a master strategist and Ukraine's staunchest ally to enable this deal.
He just appeared to be a selfish, craven russian asset. Checkmate Putin!
Truly the master negotiator.
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chef_262 days ago
+3
Can we note, with no surprises here, the statecraft the leader of the free world (Zelensky) continues to deploy.
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dave_gormen_32 days ago
+2
How is the oil getting through Hormuz?
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dainthomas2 days ago
+2
That government is basically on the complete opposite end of the competence spectrum from the US.
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Koala_eiO2 days ago
+3
I'm not fear-mongering but you have to admit, with all the alliances, it's definitely starting to feel like a gentle WW3. I would have never expected a west-east conflict with allies distributed north-south for each side.
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tegat2 days ago
+1
It's telling that it's Ukraine and not US alone who will provide military support. That indicates US military is insufficient. Another sign of times. Petrodollar is going the way of dodo and exorbitant privilege along with it.
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Annual-Reason29703 days ago
+1
They should host an expo.. they can show 1st hand what they have works.
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bionicqueefharmonica2 days ago
+1
Slava Ukraine! And the rest of us middle powers of the free world.
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Alert-Algae-66742 days ago
+1
My question is how will Gulf states deliver the oil to Ukraine with the Strait of Hormuz being closed?
Ukrainian interceptor drones are good but at the end of the day no interceptor systems can 100% guarantee the safety of the strait. Iran would need to stop fighting for that to happen
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outoforifice2 days ago
+1
How long until Ukraine is in NATO at this rate?
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Silvercat181 day ago
+1
He really did have all the cards after all.
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spetulia_goth2 days ago
+2
just reinforces how selfish the yanks are, and they couldn't accomplish what they sought to achieve.
country full of grifters and the world would be a better place without them.
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Right-Big-18592 days ago
Looks like Zelensky has the "cards"!
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Just-Connection59603 days ago
+14
> like when you gotta go all the way to gulf states just to keep things running, you know the situation ain’t great
Maybe i'm too optimistic but securing a lifeline from the actual direct producers of cold, hard, straight from the tap oil doesn't sound that bad ?
That's one less critical ressource to factor in and budget
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dirtyasseating3 days ago
+24
Business has always been a part of war.
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canspop3 days ago
+9
I wouldn't call it desperation. Those oil states have a lot of money. Some good deals with gulf states could be far more beneficial to Ukraine than it's getting from some of its (less generous) allies.
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Agreeable_Tutor55033 days ago
+3
It's desperation to do business in a war? Since when?
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Guy_GuyGuy3 days ago
+2
The US could have wholeheartedly supported an ally that begged it for help against the free world's largest geopolitical rival since the end of WWII, using dusty stockpiles of weapons and equipment it designed expressly for the sole purpose of f****** up Russia, but here we are.
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Glad-Veterinarian3653 days ago
+2
Nooooo they are going the smart route by leveraging a comparative advantage
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Particular-Bat-59042 days ago
They blewed up europeans for support.
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lpan0003 days ago
-2
Now he just need to pay Iran to get it out of the gulf. Thanks DJT
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Silly_Ad_50642 days ago
-3
All running dogs of the Imperialist West, sending their countrymen off to die so that a handful of billionaires can make a buck
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NiceSatisfaction78702 days ago
-15
Zelensky bears responsibility for the prolonged conflict that has contributed to global oil and gas instability. A faster diplomatic resolution could have prevented much of the economic fallout the world is now experiencing.
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negotiationtable2 days ago
+2
Putin could just withdraw from the land he invaded that doesn’t belong to him.
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