No, because Trump holds all the cards, you see.
Unfortunately for him, he's playing Uno and no-one bothered explaining the rules to him
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Deadsnake_war3 days ago
+12
Even Uno has a strategy, he has the card that has numbers on it for toddlers
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grey_hat_uk3 days ago
+5
I play the best at uno no body could ever have played as well as I do I played against Iran they thought they were smart I said no and picked up I have hunderds of the beat cards now no one has ever had this mean cards before Im going to have them up i the ballroom its a very big ballroom space for lots of balls its goig to be the greatest ever..............
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Biggie623 days ago
+3
uno reverso cuz
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Any_Negotiation_67163 days ago
+2
He’s about skip over the law and have someone draw 4 missiles
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Alpacapalooza2 days ago
+1
> no-one bothered explaining the rules to him
Pretty sure there have been multiple attempts.
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pabodie2 days ago
+1
Reverse!
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TheTelegraph3 days ago
+58
**From The Telegraph's Antonia Langford, in Kyiv:**
Ukraine’s interceptors and electronic warfare were used to shoot down Iranian Shahed drones in the Gulf, Volodymyr Zelensky has said.
The Ukrainian president hailed the “positive outcome” of sending Kyiv’s military experts to several countries across the Middle East to help with air defence during the Iran war.
He told journalists at his office in Kyiv: “Did we destroy Iranian ‘Shaheds?’ Yes, we did. Did we do it in just one country? No, in several... in my view, this is a success.”
Mr Zelensky said he had watched footage of his country’s weapons being used to strike the suicide drones out of the sky, saying that it commanded “respect for Ukraine”, but declined to specify in which countries they had been shot down.
“This was not about a training mission or exercises, but about support in building a modern air defence system that can actually work,” he said.
It was the first public confirmation that Ukrainian teams had successfully destroyed Iran’s Shahed drones in the region since Kyiv dispatched its specialists to countries including the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and Jordan after the start of the US-Israeli war on Iran.
On March 2, Mr Zelensky offered Kyiv’s expertise and inexpensive interceptor technology for downing Shahed drones to the Gulf states in exchange for the Pac-2 and Pac-3 interceptors that Ukraine needed for its Patriot air defences, which guard against Moscow’s ballistic missile strikes.
During his Gulf-region tour last month, Mr Zelensky signed a series of high-level security agreements with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which the Ukrainian leader said were “historic” and would last for 10 years.
The content of the deals has not been made public, but the Ukrainian president said they encompassed “not just interceptors alone, but also defence lines, software, electronic warfare systems, and so on”.
He added this week that he was still in talks to strike further agreements with Oman, Kuwait and Bahrain.
The US and Europe have requested similar support, according to Kyiv.
Mr Zelensky said on Wednesday that Ukraine’s military would take part in consultations on the future operation of the Strait of Hormuz and that Kyiv was moving forward with new security coordination with European countries.
**More here:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/10/ukraine-shot-down-iranian-shahed-drones-middle-east/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/10/ukraine-shot-down-iranian-shahed-drones-middle-east/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_listnook_iranian-shahed-drones-middle-east/&accesscontrol=facebookchannel_open)
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bunker9313 days ago
+121
Ukraine is now the leader in drone warfare. Countries will seek for their strategy and design after the war.
Did JD Vance say "Thank you" yet?
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helm3 days ago
+28
Trump has made clear not to give Ukraine credit for anything. Vance is even worse.
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lucky_luke32 days ago
+2
Why he is not wearing a suit?
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TachiH3 days ago
-1
I'm starting to wonder where Ukraine sit in the ACTUAL order of military might. We clearly now all know Russia was a paper tiger, the US don't seem to be able to use their military properly for what its designed for.
Ukraine might actually be the best military at defending territory in the world right now.
Zelensky doesn't wear a suit though...🙄 funny consider Trump loves Churchill who also famously visited America not in a suit.
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SamAzing03 days ago
+20
Defending from ground and drone attacks, sure, theyve been showing the world how decent equipment and training makes a huge difference when out numbered.
Theres a few things to bear in mind though:
Russia's air force has been pretty useless thus far, seeing as they dont have decent SEAD or stealth capability to enable them to perform precision strikes.
Ukraine has, currently, over 900k people in its armed forces. So theyre not quite as outnumbered as it sounds. (Though this is after years of mobilisation and over 1M casualties inflicted on Russia). So it was lopsided, but not so much anymore.
Landmass: Ukraine is a big country with a lot of ground to cover. The western side of the country is relatively safe, aside from the odd missile and drone barrage that the Russians spam. This allows them to receive imports via European channels without issue.
Last but certainly not least: theyve been getting a lot of intel from their allies. Thats invaluable in determining how to best utilise their resources.
All that said, the Ukrainians have proven to be *incredibly* pragmatic and decisive with their resources. That, I think, is their most valuable trait. The US spent billions on a failed operation in Iran, whereas that same funding in Ukraine's hands would've been used to significant effect.
If only Ukraine had a decent airforce, they'd be able to break the stalemate and drive Russia back properly.
Tl:dr they've had help, but theyre damn good at what theyre stuck in and air power is king.
Edit: grammar
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Suspicious_Flower_03 days ago
+5
The air force is slowly building. They have F-16s, Mirages, and I believe were pledged some Gripens?
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SamAzing03 days ago
+2
They're good airframes, but theyre aging a bit. They havent got a lot of the newer models with the more complex digital suites.
There were talks to export up-to 150 gripens, but AFAIK there hasnt been a signed deal yet.
Problem is Russia's doctrine was built around a mechanised grind through Europe, so they have a lot of mobile air defense systems. Makes using aircraft a risky endeavour if you dont have them to spare, or the weapons to deal with them like anti radiation missiles, or simply fly undetected with stealth airframes.
Im sure Ukraine wouldn't mind a few of those F-35s right about now...
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Suspicious_Flower_03 days ago
+3
Tbf they could and the Russians would never see 'em
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TachiH3 days ago
+3
I can see the EU forming a military when NATO collapses. Ukraine will bring a hell of a lot in terms of infantry experience and the areas they lack will be made up by the rest of the EU. Most EU countries have way more in their air forces than any ground forces.
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SamAzing03 days ago
+2
Oh definitely. Ukraine is already returning the favour by providing invaluable information to european countries on counter drone warfare and close quarters battle, to help revise their doctrines.
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Martoxic3 days ago
+5
US have been able to use their military properly. They were just not yet used to drone warfare and made the false assumption that the Iranian regime would collapse with a little push.
Ukraine needs to get massive money for their expertise.
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TachiH3 days ago
+2
I saw today Ukraine have already started downing drones over the gulf states. I feel they should get $1M per kill considering the normal interceptors cost nearly $2M 🤔.
Fund your defence back home by defending other countries is a good plan in by eyes.
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SamAzing03 days ago
Im not sure on the US using their equipment properly... realistically they shouldn't have lost anything to Iran. Ironically they started losing the most assets right after they claimed to have neutralised Iran's air defence.
I think they just got too cocky and thought they were untouchable. Parking aircraft within drone range and reu-using flight routes are really basic mistakes.
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LearningT0Fly3 days ago
+2
I mean the US flew like 12,000 sorties and lost like 7 planes. That’s well, well, well below standard attrition.
The only one that was mind bogglingly stupid, avoidable and consequential was the E-3. I mean, come on, what the f***?
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Fordmister2 days ago
+2
eh, not to discredit the Ukrainians who are doing a truly incredible job, But Ukraine has gotten very good at fighting a very specific type of war, which is smart as that's the war that its currently fighting, but whenever I see comments like this I feel the need to shake people into realising just how unrepresentative and unique the war in Ukraine is.
Its a very specific set of circumstances that arguably go all the way back to the soviet union that turned the war in Ukraine into this drone heavy, static line trench and fortress city war. And its a war neither the Russians or the Ukrainians would be willingly fighting this way if that had the means to break the deadlock or avoid getting stuck in the position to begin with. (Just as an example, all the stuff you are seeing with FPV's? Its not because they are some new revolutionary weapon better than all that came before, its because they are good enough and their use is being enabled by how ludicrously static and close the frontlines are. Both sides are having a much easier time getting their hands on them than a steady and stable supply of mortar and artillery shells. Weapons systems that do the same job significantly more effectively, are preferably deployed whenever possible by both sides and were they more available would likely force a significant reduction in FPV use) Nor is it a war that I could see any NATO nation actually fighting as NATO has the tools and the industrial capacity to avoid the circumstances that caused it
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Dingcock3 days ago
-6
Only on these small FPV or interceptor type drones but I think it could be argued that other countries are farther ahead on drone warfare, like Iran Turkey US all have advanced drones programs Ukraine can't match currently.
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lucitribal3 days ago
+5
Yes and no. Ukraine has an advantage on cost per drone and the ability to iterate (implement changes) more quickly.
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RainOnZheVizzsor3 days ago
+3
Ukraine war kind of shows that advanced drone programs are just a small thing in current drone warfare. High quantity, adaptability and scalability beats expensive with perhaps a bit more quality. Russia and Ukraine are also using drones using optic fibre cables on the drones which makes it impossible to jam them. Completely altering the game of anti drone warfare
In terms of drone swarms China is pretty much leading
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Dingcock3 days ago
I can't believe I forgot China on my list
Not sure I fully agree with you though about it being a small thing. It's a small thing because Russia and Ukraine don't have the large advanced drones to use in the first place.
Yes small fiber optic drones can handle jamming and require interception but most interceptors are designed to stop medium sized advanced Iranian drones for a reason.
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RainOnZheVizzsor2 days ago
+1
What I meant is that it's only becoming a minor part in the totality of drone warfare. Advanced drones will still have it's purpose in modern warfare, but it's relatively minor compared to all the other advancements Ukraine and Russia are making right now in short, medium and long range drone capabilities, also on land and sea. Ukraine and Russia don't have advanced drones atm because easy to build c**** systems are more effective. They build adaptable and scalable platforms because developments are going really fast. Mantra is that 50 or 100 c**** drones are more effective than one expensive advanced one that takes years to develop and have a long time to frontline.
Ukraine and Russia are using drones for everything right now. Ukraine is reaching up to a 60km kill zone on the frontlines where everything entering the open in those zones gets almost immediately killed. Russia is using similar tactics albeit not covering as much ground. They have to use drones to move wounded, deliver ammo etc.
They might not be leading in advanced drone warfare but are leading on almost everything else.
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Brave-Dragonfly37983 days ago
+6
What ‘doesn’t add up’? Seems simple to me; Ukraine is the world leader at combating these exact drones. If they can help protect gulf states where the US is unable, of course they are going to take the investment opportunities in doing so.
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Derikari3 days ago
+2
Ukraine has a surplus anti drone production and needs money for everything else. I don't see Russia winning the war against a smaller country
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Boys4Ever3 days ago
+28
Who knew a comedian would be a better leader at war 🤔
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AlfaMenel3 days ago
+10
A comedian is definitely a better leader than a clown.
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Heroyem2 days ago
+5
Top-level comedians have to be really intelligent in many ways
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Boys4Ever2 days ago
+2
Reality show hosts. Not so much. Valid point
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ken_the_boxer2 days ago
+1
Well I'm not sure who is the better comedian, though.
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Boys4Ever2 days ago
+2
Perhaps the one being funny on purpose
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ken_the_boxer2 days ago
+1
The other one seems more talented to surprise people
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Boys4Ever2 days ago
+1
That's not a talent. It's called dementia
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[deleted]3 days ago
+1
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Boys4Ever3 days ago
+3
Not a skillset? Seems to be a personality. Like telling people, "you're fired".
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Trashbitex3 days ago
-2
His people are flaming him for these decisions lol, never change listnook.
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boogi3woogie3 days ago
+4
Ah the drone wars
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OvertlyUzi2 days ago
+3
Seeing a Shahed from my window at 8am was the scariest thing I’ve ever seen.
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aholetookmyusername2 days ago
+3
Iran's support of russia's invasion of Ukraine is one of the reasons I don't have a lot of sympathy for Iran.
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jgnp2 days ago
+1
Glory to the Heroes.
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pabodie2 days ago
+2
Ukraine is the best.
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RichOPick3 days ago
+4
Won’t see this one on the font page of Listnook.
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EasyRider_Suraj3 days ago
+2
"Tel Aviv Impressed"
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pdoherty9262 days ago
+1
> During his Gulf-region tour last month, Mr Zelensky signed a series of high-level security agreements with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which the Ukrainian leader said were “historic” and would last for 10 years.
Good for them!
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sovietarmyfan3 days ago
-6
Now i'm wondering how this will be received by Palestine and Iran supporters. Many of the same people have previously supported Ukraine because they were a victim of agression by Russia. But now Ukraine is helping the US in the middle east. It may push some of those people to become against Ukraine.
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TrueLegateDamar3 days ago
+4
Ukraine has been under Iranian Shahed drone attacks for years and have in turn killed several Iranian military personnel stationed in Russia and occupied parts of Ukraine who were helping set up Shahed production and control centres, they already unofficially are at war.
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No_Iron_80873 days ago
-25
I understand Zelensky’s desperateness to regain the U.S. as an ally, but I don’t think this is the way to do that.
I imagine he believes by doing Trump a solid, Trump will warm to his cause but that is not how Trump operates at all. He takes, he doesn’t give. He probably views Zelensky as a “sucker” for assisting the U.S. more than he does an ally. He has shrugged off Putin’s assistance to Iran and praised Kim Jong Un but not thanked Zelensky, or even said a kind word about him, for this assistance. He doesn’t care.
Zelensky should have stuck to his original demands. Provide Ukraine with the necessary support it needs and in return you will have access to drone interception technology. Force Trump’s hand.
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BeerPoweredNonsense3 days ago
+30
From the article:
>several countries across the Middle East
Ukraine is scoring points with several nations; building positive relations. It's not always about the USA.
In fact, it will be less and less about the USA.
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
+8
Most Listnookors think everything is about Trump and the US. No matter what topic we are discussing, they keep inserting Trump and the US into every conversation.
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Puzzleheaded_Wing4313 days ago
-3
Trump is technically affecting each and every country with its problems so yeah trump will be mentioned more often
First the sanctions
Then the war
Hinting to take canada green land
Took down venezuela syria govt
Middle east is watching the consequence of trump shits as well as asia
Europe is Unbalanced coz of US
So yeah in the end F**k trump
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
+6
I hate Trump, but he does not control everything and he is not responsible for everything. Other world leaders have agency and are responsible for their own actions.
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Puzzleheaded_Wing4313 days ago
-6
Usa attacked iran
iran closed Strait of hormuz
Consequence
Fuel panic in entire world
Kind of simple.
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IncidentalIncidence3 days ago
+9
I mean, you're completely ignoring the fact that the Ukrainians hate the IR for their own reasons too; Iran more or less architected Russia's drone program and particularly at the beginning almost all of the kamikaze drones Russia used were Shaheds. They have since set up domestic production in Russia, but it's not just about the US that Zelenskyy is so eager to punish Iran.
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Martoxic3 days ago
+2
there will be a US after Trump.
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Stunning_Bed233 days ago
-9
Why are they even involved in this?
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RichOPick3 days ago
+14
Iran manufactures weapons used by Russia against Ukraine.
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Stunning_Bed233 days ago
-10
So, under these rules it would be acceptable for Russia to attack the US and European countries that supplied weapons to Ukraine?
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RichOPick3 days ago
+6
“Acceptable” is a loaded question, I would argue no form of violence is “acceptable.”
That being said, your hypothetical scenario is completely _feasible_, which is probably why Europe is mobilizing more in recent years than prior.
Also, Iran has openly declared itself an enemy of Ukraine. It’s not like this is an unprovoked reaction. Iran is a unique state in that it doesn’t dibble dabble around calling for the outright destruction of other states.
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Public-Eagle69923 days ago
+8
Iran is an ally of russia
Money
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Independent_Row_2243 days ago
+9
What do you mean? Iran has been supporting Russia’s invasion for years now. They are a direct contributor to the deaths of many Ukrainians.
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Stunning_Bed233 days ago
-13
And the US and European nations have been supporting Ukraine for years with weapons…thus they are a “direct contributor” to the deaths of Russians.
So would it be OK for Russia to attack US assets that are used in war against Iran? 🤔Just trying to figure to the rules of engagement here…
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Independent_Row_2243 days ago
+4
You clearly don't read very much do you? Russia already does [help Iran](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-supplies-iran-with-cyber-support-spy-imagery-hone-attacks-ukraine-says-2026-04-07/) target US forces.
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Stunning_Bed232 days ago
-1
The irony - you clearly didn’t read my comment.
I said attack an asset, not provide assistance via imagery. Two different things.
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aholetookmyusername2 days ago
+2
Good post, 20 rubles have been deposited into your account.
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CrusaderAlive3 days ago
+2
We need to ask this question? Seriously?
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Smokie_Joe_3 days ago
-75
This is not our war its biden war
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DeiviiD3 days ago
+15
Biden and Obama war. Right guys?
Guys?
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scrambledhelix3 days ago
-5
Obama *did* just let Russia take Crimea in 2014 without a fight or even any real complaint, which ... was basically the start of this whole operation. The very first thing Russia did in 2022 was establish a land bridge to the territory.
So in a sense, you're right!
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Successful-Peach-7643 days ago
+17
Rent free.... Tramp is the one who owns the disastrous Iran war, come back down to reality buddy.
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Perkelton3 days ago
+6
Shown above: when your brain has more lead than grey matter.
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JohnGazman3 days ago
+6
Trump is busy dealing with the Epstein Wars.
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ContentsMayVary3 days ago
+3
You can't even write English correctly. No wonder you think things like that. Let me make it clear: This war is entirely the fault of Donald Trump, the paedophile rapist who was elected as the president of the USA by the people of the USA. That's right - the president of the USA is a paedophile and a rapist, and people like you fully support him.
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