Ukraine Threatens Israel With Diplomatic Fallout Over Suspected Stolen Grain Shipment

You can track the ship Panormitis, yourself, right here https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:418736/zoom:12

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Read the f****** article before commenting

That is called 'commingling' and it taints the entire batch.

Ukrainian grain is loaded in Azov sea ports located on occupied territories and can be easily tracked. Ukraine even sunk one of those ships a couple of weeks ago I think. Russia would have to go out of its way to mix it with anything.

This is not limited to grain. Oil from russia and iran has been transferred and mixed with other oil and ends up in other countries including EU ones via shadow fleets and hidden transfer stations. Not even mentioning china and india who have been buying oil from russia openly.

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Grain is stored in huge grain elevator storage facilities that mix the grain together. They buy and sell huge quantities from grain, trying to make a few % profit on each ton. They'll buy it from the cheapest source, either farmers or other grain elevators, and sell it to the highest bidder. The highest bidder is often trying to to the same thing somewhere else. So grain gets mixed up and shipped all over the world and back again, everyday. The grain elevators are basically like the stock market where the grain gets moved around to find the highest bidder. Anyway my point is it's basically impossible to tell the origin of grains after it's gone in an elevator.

I doubt Russia actually cares to do these labels. There are no sanctions against Crimea grain specifically

How about just ban the sale of all grain from Russia? Or better yet, offload the grain and send the check to Ukraine?

10 years ago I would have agreed with you.

The same argument that AI developers use. "Sure, it might turn evil and take over the world, but if we don't do it China will."

Read the f****** article

They are surprisingly cocky given that they owe it all to friendly relations with the US. They are burning goodwill so fast that one day the US might actually give up on them and then they will find themselves in a pretty lonely and scary world.

It's foolish and short sighted. The reason western democracies are so strong is we are all allied with each other and we're not supposed to double cross each other. I blame Trump for starting this trend when he turned on Ukraine and tried to steal Greenland. The absurdity of this is if the US and Israel tried closer cooperation with Ukraine, Ukraine would have more American money and an Israeli tech (like maybe a laser based missile defense system?), and Israel and the USA could have inexpensive interceptor drones and maybe some talented drone warfare consultants. A USA Israel Ukraine cooperative (with NATO support if we didn't try stealing Greenland) would absolutely devastate Iran and Russia and nullify their shahed arsenal. But instead we're all divided and weak and dumb.

They're now openly anti-Ukraine. Trying to sabotage military aid to Ukraine.

‘Acting’?

While I agree with your sentiment, from a state's pov, especially one at war, Ukraine has everything to gain for not taking a stand against injustices that do not affect them directly. They have their plate full as it is, now if, like in this case, they are affected directly, that's different.

That would mean that what you said is an oversimplification many times. The Soviet Union, and subsequently Russia, has sponsored, trained and equipped Israel's enemies for decades. During the 1973 war Soviet SOF directly engaged Israeli forces, and during the War of Attrition with Egypt Soviet pilots engaged Israeli ones. Russia's relationship with Iran means the trade of weapons, assistance economically, with bypassing sanctions, and diplomatic cover. Russia's protection of Assad was a further point of contention, especially when Hezbollah operated close to the Golan from the Syrian side. There are lots of Israelis with Russian empire origin, lots still in Russia itself, making an outwardly hostile kinetic relationship rather difficult. On the other hand, Israel did provide assistance to Ukraine before. All of that said, Israel should absolutely never accept buying stolen Ukrainian grain. But such a naive oversimplification is unhelpful.

You have no clue what you’re talking about… Russia is a major supporter of Iran which funds all the proxies attacking Israel. Israel only tolerates Russia insofar as a wider conflict with Russia would complicate their ability to deal with Iran and other terrorist organizations in the region.

"ive said it so many times." who the hell are you, lol? anyways, you clearly dont know what you're talking about, so please save us the read next time

I don’t think so, because I really doubt Putin wanted the US/Israel war with Iran. This war gives Ukraine cover to start blowing up Russian ports that would export oil. Ukraine hasn’t done this much in the past. Now there are several theories as to why, but the point is, they haven’t targeted them heavily until this war started. Now that the war started and oil exports are low from Iran, Ukraine can attack Russian ports. Most people will blame the US for shutting down trade with Iran and making oil prices spike. Ukraine certainly isn’t helping matters by targeting Russian ports, but the US (rightfully so) takes most of the blame for the price surge. It also means Russia can’t import drones from Iran. Now the numbers behind the imports are difficult to determine given the smoke and mirrors of everything, but suffice it to say it was probably a noticeable number. Now Russia, a country that has very limited allies (it’s really just China and Iran), lost a source of drones for a war that is becoming dominated by them. So even with oil prices spiking, Russia can’t enjoy the benefits because Ukraine keeps blowing up the ports and storage; and now Russia receives less arms. This sounds more like Israel told Trump “do the dirty work in Iran for us or the Epstein files get released somewhere.” Or honestly it could’ve been as simple as them suggesting he attack Iran. Trump is a delusional warmongering idiot, so Israel may have not needed to resort to blackmail. But the tl/dr; I bet Putin is irate with Israel right now.

15% or more of Israel is Russian speaking - not just descendants of Russian immigrants. Even if most of them are from when the Soviet Union disintegrated, it seems ... improbable to me that modern Russia (Putin) would have *no* influence over some percentage of Russian speaking Israelis.

One joke lmfao, also fuckass name change is just weird

Always have been.

That’s like saying if someone breaks into a house then the contents belong to them because they’re occupying the house. Russian-occupied Ukraine is still Ukraine.

The old world order is dead. EU is rightfully getting a bit more protective of Ukraine, as they are also actually winning this war. Pax Americana is dead, and Bibi got Trump to kill it. We are a laughing stock on the world stage. Our reputation is destroyed and all of our allies no longer trust us economically or militarily. If China weren't having such crazy issues too, this would be their chance to finally come out ahead of the U.S. and there's a gold chance it will now that we have completely abandoned our soft power and influence through the destruction of USAID. IF our country can be saved and we get a normal president, its going to take multiple terms, maybe even a generation until we're taken seriously again.

Israel has like one ally which now has like half its political spectrum hating Israel

Yeah. Not like Ukraine is helping a bunch of other countries, semi-allied to Israel, in fending off drone strikes. While Israel is stuck with their overpriced traditional air defences. 

I think getting caught antagonizing a country unequivocally viewed as a victim by most western countries isn't really the best look

We could turn it into a fallout with Europe. 

Russia, easily.

Russia is better option economically and militarily, and they would be able to justify it in one way or another. Putin is US ally after all.

Ukraine is not f****** around with this kind of bullshit. This is the 6th incident alone this year. If I was the captain of this ship, I would shit my pants sailing back into the Black Sea. I guess an empty bulk carrier with that history is fair play for Ukrainian sea drones.

Uh, Ukraine's SBU has been doing the type of stuff Mossad has always been known for. Keep pissing them off and sleep with one eye open.

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Produced it IN UKRAINE not IN RUSSIA!

they stole the land F russia

Troll.