Basically Norway produces Ukrainian drones. Norway gets access to the technology. And builds the industry to make such drones. Europe is remilitarizing quickly. You’ll probably see the Europeans acting more and more independent of the U.S..
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fumar4 days ago
+33
We're four years into the Ukraine war. I wouldn't call this a quick re-militarization
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Techies4lyf4 days ago
+30
Dont think you can get much quicker in peace time for democracies, unless you want to go full wartime economy and somehow convince your citizens that thats the only way forward.
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QuestGalaxy3 days ago
+9
It is quite quick, way more is happening now than in the last 30 years.
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Longshot024963 days ago
+2
We're one(-ish) year into being unable to rely on the US.
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Equivalent-Wafer-2224 days ago
+2
Wouldn’t be surprised to see NAMMO & Kongsberg to step up for this
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Calimariae4 days ago
+1
You're probably right on that one.
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daniel_22sss4 days ago
-7
I just hope russian puppets wont win the next election in Norway
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jboneng4 days ago
+13
As far as I know, there is no pro-russian/anti-Ukraine parties in Norway that has any chance of gaining power, even the most right wing mainstream party is pro Ukraine, on the left side of the political spectrum we need to go to Rødt (which got 4.5% of the votes last election) to see some resistance against aiding Ukraine (and even then it is only the old school people from the now defunct Norwegian Communist Party, and then it is in the camp "Lets send humanitarian aid not weapons").
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tanbug4 days ago
+4
You have FOR, the party that claims support for Ukraine also increases suffering and prolongs war. They're just Putin-lovers that probably has gotten a lot of money from Russia. Thankfully, everybody sees through their shit.
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jboneng4 days ago
+12
Yes, but FOR is basically so fringe, obscure and tiny that they have no shot at gaining any power nationally. And they have no path to power in any meaningful timeframe (when talking about this war).
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Mizunomafia3 days ago
+4
It's practically not a party in the context we're talking here. It's like 30 basement dwellers writing their anger online. The majority of them are old Stalin sympathizers who still haven't understood the world has moved on. Basically nut jobs. They will never be relevant.
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QuestGalaxy3 days ago
+2
Yeah, but those shitheads got a total of 0,3% of the votes and are totally irrelevant now.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+4
We have no pro-Russian parties in government. Supporting Ukraine is the one thing all parties are in agreement on.
Supporting Russia would be political suicide in Norway. A tiny and irrellevant party tried and they were laughed out of the room.
You don't have to worry about Russian puppets in Norway. What I worry about is the far right, but even they support Ukraine.
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mfbrucee4 days ago
+2
I’m much more worried about far left
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QuestGalaxy3 days ago
+2
The only ones opposing helping Ukraine are the super far left/conspiracy nuts and the super far right/conspiracy nuts. Horseshoe theory and shit. Neither groups are big enough to get into parliament.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+2
Rødt have changed their stance on Russia since the invasion, and their NATO stance isn't that crazy anymore with the direction the U.S is heading.
I don't worry about them at all.
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QuestGalaxy3 days ago
+1
Lol, that is not happening. All parties in parliament are pro Ukraine, even the communist Red party is now pro Ukraine. And the Socialist peoples party that was pretty much founded by anti NATO members of the Labour party ended up supporting NATO membership now.
There is a single very outspoken anti Ukraine party that ran last year, called "FOR". A so called peace party made up by disgruntled former Red party members (and also some far right looneys). They were funded by a rich Norwegian dude that lives in russia.. Probably funded by russia in reality, they probably reimbursed him.
His cash paid for a huge ad campaing on the Subway. Campaign was anti sending funds to Ukraine, but not openly pro russia, so they couldn't really ban them from purchasing ads.
But people reacted extremely strongly to the campaign, and many of us simply ripped down the ads when we were on the metro. Technically theft, but police never really gave a shit.
The party got some attention during the election, but were strongly opposed by pretty much all established parties. They ended up gettting 0,3% of the votes..
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CarrotLevel994 days ago
+120
They should make drones in Canada
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Calimariae4 days ago
+50
Wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Zelensky is on a tour. This announcement was made on his stop in Oslo today.
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TacomaKMart4 days ago
+30
They should make them in every NATO and EU country. And Japan, Korea and Aus/NZ too.
If Iran can crank them out, it can't be rocket science, so to speak. It wouldn't be the dumbest military expenditure.
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panzerboye4 days ago
+20
>If Iran can crank them out, it can't be rocket science, so to speak.
Iran has a very highly educated society. The iranians I have met are very smart. There are selection bias that I am aware of, still. They managed to do all these despite the sanctions.
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fleemfleemfleemfleem4 days ago
+7
Iran has a pretty well educated populace, but they also suffer from a brain drain, where a lot of people with higher degrees move elsewhere.
The shahed-136's only major component manufactured domestically though is the engine, which is reverse engineered from a Limbach. A lot of the electronic parts are off-the shelf stuff from US and Japanese companies. It isn't especially technologically sophisticated, just much cheaper than cruise missiles.
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CarrotLevel994 days ago
+11
It’s proving to be quite cost effective.
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DukeandKate4 days ago
+55
It is a prudent move for Ukraine. They can benefit from some geographic diversity in their munitions supply chain and of course Norway will benefit as well.
I was hoping we would see something similar come out of the Canada / Ukraine Security Agreement. Perhaps that is coming.
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Suspicious-Engineer74 days ago
+131
Ukraine is going to come out of this as the premier ally of the EU
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Calimariae4 days ago
+73
Yes. Norway isn't in the EU however.
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CheesyBadger4 days ago
+41
Schengen, close enough 😉
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logtransform3 days ago
+4
Schengen is just an agreement to eliminate internal passport checks.
What you probably are referring to is the EEA.
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RarelyReadReplies4 days ago
+8
I didn't know that, why aren't they?
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Calimariae4 days ago
+49
Fishing rights and oil, mostly.
Plus we're very rich, and there are many very poor countries in the EU. Our people aren't keen on sharing our resources.
We are warming up to it because of the current geopolitical situation and our weakened currency, but it won't happen in the short term. Two of our parties are for it (Høyre and Venstre).
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paiwithapple3 days ago
+1
Eh, Certainly MDG and AP is also positive to the EU, but ultimately it would come donw to an election. Last election is over 30 years ago after all.
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QuestGalaxy3 days ago
+1
AP are cowards when it comes to EU, because the party is split. Creepers like Trond Giske are very anti EU.
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paiwithapple3 days ago
+1
I will admit that i had forgot about Giske, however pleasant the forgetfulness might have been. I will not deny this.
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Party-Flow-81643 days ago
+1
Norway is not warming up towards EU. We’ve voted no twice.
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Aurora_Fatalis4 days ago
+1
You'd think that if the Right and Left agreed on something it would get passed, but then another half dozen parties come out of the European clown car of political nuance and all vote no :p
Well, that, plus the failed referendums we have had.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+5
Here's the weird part about Norway though. Both Høyre (right) and Venstre (left) are on the right. Venstre is also fairly small.
The big two parties (AP - left wing and FrP - right wing) are against EU membership.
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mathiasmoe18 hr ago
+1
Venstre is not a soscialist party. The name is misleading. They are liberal (soscially and economic).
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NorwegianCollusion4 days ago
+1
Right and Left just refers to where in the french parliament they were originally seated, with the royalists on the ~~kings~~ presidents right and the radicals on the opposing side. This eventually lead to the political spectrum being dumbed down to one dimension. But there are many aspects of politics where it's possible to disagree and still agree on this one thing.
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Fatboy403 days ago
+1
> You'd think that if the Right and Left agreed on something it would get passed, but then another half dozen parties come out of the European clown car of political nuance and all vote no
If only it was still the EEC and not the turgid political EU it is now :(
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Dependent-Title-13624 days ago
+1
We are sharing our resources. Wtf are you even talking about lmao
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Calimariae4 days ago
+2
I don't think you understand my sentence.
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CurbYourThusiasm4 days ago
+38
The EU would destroy our fisheries by overfishing (like they've done in the EU) and our local farms couldn't get subsidized any longer, and would have to shut down because they can't compete with mega farms in the EU, which would lead to our entire country-side dying out and we would rely even more on food imports.
We're already in the EEA, and have freedom of movement and access to the single market, so there really isn't much we're missing out on. It's basically a EU-light membership.
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ChesterComics4 days ago
+10
Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an issue where the EU wanted to restrict Norway's whaling industry?
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Omz-bomz4 days ago
+9
Yes, but whaling is such a small industry that it wouldn't affect much compared to normal fishing. It's the last thing on the list of things to worry about if joining EU.
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BrainBlowX4 days ago
+5
Whaling is already dying out largely on its own due to lack of real demand.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+1
That wouldn't be much of a problem. Whale meat isn't popular at all, and it's heavily subsidized. I don't know any Norwegians who eat it (granted I'm a Southerner).
I find it strange that we still hunt them tbh. It's barbaric.
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Kill_42094 days ago
+2
Fantastic explanation
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mathiasmoe18 hr ago
+1
I voted “no” in the 89 referendum. EU-fishing mismanagement was a concern, but most importantly was the spirit of the times. The Cold War was ending. The Berlin wall fell in 86. The fight to save the ozone layer was starting to show success. Small countries were getting heard in the UN. China was not a world player. Why should we then join in building a European superpower, creating a three-polar world order.
Now that everything has turned to shit and the EU seems to be the most rational of powers, I’d vote different.
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ToneSkoglund4 days ago
+1
Farmers and fishers and hippies voted no
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QuestGalaxy3 days ago
+1
No, sadly not. But we are in EEA and Schengen and of course NATO. It f****** annoys me that a majority STILL is opposed to EU membership.
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Darth_drizzt_424 days ago
+6
They were always the engineering powerhouse of the USSR
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DukeandKate4 days ago
+7
I'm hoping as a full NATO member once there is a ceasefire. There is no other country I'd rather see our military stand shoulder to shoulder with.
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Bunch_of_Shit4 days ago
+6
I wonder if Ukraine will eventually be a net exporter of weapons and drones.
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Toni_PWNeroni4 days ago
+8
If they don't call them Valkyrie-class drones, I'll be disappointed.
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tanbug4 days ago
+1
more like "Brunost" and "Pizza Grandiosa" classes.
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Frosty_Ingenuity50704 days ago
-4
I would assume this means that Norway is technically fair game for the Russians as those would be factories producing weapons of war used in an active conflict, no?
Now, as to whether or not Russia will attack is a different story; though it could be a way for them to see if Article 5 would be invoked and how much will NATO (aka America) will do. This could be a very bold and risky bet for them to weaken NATO if it goes that way.
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Calimariae4 days ago
+1
They will definitely try
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-30
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Oduroduro4 days ago
+14
Ok grandpa
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Toni_PWNeroni4 days ago
+10
Off with you to the front lines with only a sword and a tin hat, then.
Off you go.
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theadvenger4 days ago
+4
What kinda nancy boy uses a tin hat? Cloth is good enough!
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Toni_PWNeroni4 days ago
+5
Right you are! Yknow what? Cloth is for lilly-livered cowards! Send them into battle to die gloriously: screaming and naked.
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theadvenger4 days ago
+3
Hail Sparta!
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possumkingdomgt4 days ago
+9
Dorks were saying the same thing about trenches and shotguns over a hundred years ago. Why don't you be a man, grab a stick, and head to the front lines
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