The war on Iran is for all intents and purposes a war against the old world order and against the former allies of the US.
Reeves is rightly pissed off...
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1-randomoniumApr 3, 2026
+6
>“I think that people can see that what Trump has done in the Middle East is going to cause economic challenges all around the world, with potentially higher inflation, weaker growth and weaker tax receipts,”
This was apparent when the war started 4 weeks ago, but nevertheless it's taken all this time for American allies to work up the courage to point out the obvious.
And some are still suffering the economic pain in silence while the MAGA world gloats at their plight and Trump blames them for not helping him.
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flavorfoxApr 3, 2026
+16
Europe is still trying to figure out how to handle Trump - what happens to a petty narcissistic man when you critizise him? Is it better to stroke his ego, lure him, flatter him? What happens when you pose him an ultimatum - he doesn't seem to care what consequences things have, unlike most politicians. Can you strike a deal with him? Will it be honored?
I think most europeans feel in their hearts that we should tell this s.o.b. to f*** off - however, it may have real, lasting and unpredictable effects for european citizens. So I think the sensible and pragmatic approach is to at least try alternative ways of handling Trump before cutting ties - even when it irks everyone.
I will say that every interaction with Trump is a lesson that shows that there are no deals that will be honored, there is no common view and there is no treasured relationship, and europe learns from each interaction.
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1-randomoniumApr 3, 2026
+3
> however, it may have real, lasting and unpredictable effects for european citizens.
And doing nothing and let him destroy global energy supplies and international trade for his ego trips doesn't?
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BlimflartApr 3, 2026
+9
I feel this is better directed at US Congress which is clearly failing dismally at discharging its responsibilities.
It's not European 'allies' who should be reining in Trump and his sycophants' illegal excesses, it's the US government and electorate. And they are clearly not.
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mithu_rajApr 3, 2026
+1
Tf are we supposed to do. We don’t give Trump the money and silent approval to conduct his tantrum wars. We’re busy trying to actually help a democracy fight against an invader on our doorstep. There’s ~300 million Americans and the whole US government that can stop Trump. WHAT are they doing?
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FallouttgrrlApr 3, 2026
+1
Roughly dealing with the same crisis 1930s Germany suffered through prior to WW2
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BlimflartApr 3, 2026
+1
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the 30s German population had either a) a constitutional amendment expressly designed to provide resistance against a tyrannical takeover of their government or b) access to military grade weaponry to facilitate said resistance.
Given Americans' full-throated love of freedom and the way they encourage other embattled (but largely unarmed) populations (see Iran) to rise up against their oppressors, I'm a little unsure why they seem so reticent to do it themselves.
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nvbtableApr 3, 2026
+1
Trump takes personal sleights dramatically, holding vendetta and grudges for decades resulting in him doing things few rationale people would do.
Obama mocks him at the White House Press Dinner -> he runs for President and has obliterating Obama's legacy as his main objective
Zelensky doesn't help him incriminate Hunter -> he does everything he can to remove all support for Ukraine and force it into a humiliating settlement
IRGC plots to assassinate him -> he assassinates all the leaders of Iran he van find and obliterates the country
Either get strong enough to take him head on or suck it up and try to survive on the sidelines until his term is up / he passes away.
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FookmaywedderApr 3, 2026
+1
Join the club
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HewinbApr 3, 2026
+1
She has a right to be angry, whilst I don’t agree with everything she does the UK has finally seen some resemblance of stability which would have only improved things going forward.
However, in comes the bumbling orange pedophile only to completely toss everything out the window.
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cmfarsightApr 3, 2026
-9
Has she tried fiscal drag to fix it. She thinks it fixes everything else so why not this.
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Opening-Employee9802Apr 3, 2026
-7
Ahhh, she’s just realised, she’s still going for growth though.
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yosisoyApr 3, 2026
+1
UK finance minister, I'm sure Trump cares a lot about her anger
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91strikerApr 3, 2026
-27
The UK as a client state has no say-so.
Watch Starmer whine about it in public while supporting Trump in practice. That weasel has no principles and bends whichever way the wind blows.
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1-randomoniumApr 3, 2026
+10
Starmer's actually been consistent about this and hasn't U-turned on it for once.
Farage and Badenoch on the other hand. Farage couldn't even do a full U-turn. His current line is that he doesn't want the war but the UK should support the US anyway for the 'special relationship'.
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coniusmarApr 3, 2026
+16
> That weasel has no principles and bends whichever way the wind blows.
This perfectly describes Farage.
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KAKYBACApr 3, 2026
-16
Weak.
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
-22
“I think that people can see that what Trump has done in the Middle East is going to cause economic challenges all around the world, with potentially higher inflation, weaker growth and weaker tax receipts,”
Sounds like someone is very biased. Iran's regime is the one preventing other countries from using the strait for trading and hitting oil and gas facilities in many countries intentionally to hit cause economic chaos to the world.
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1-randomoniumApr 3, 2026
+9
> Iran's regime is the one preventing other countries
Iran weren't doing that last year. They didn't do that in Trump's first term either. Why do you think that is?
Most of the world including most Americans at this point and even most Israelis(though they support it) know who is ultimately to blame for this crisis.
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
-6
It doesn't change the fact that Iran is the one doing that.
Would the police excuse a school shooter because that shot innocent students because he was bullied by someone and say "he didn't do that last year and he isn't to blame because he was bullied by a few students" and then allow him to shoot other students? No of course they wouldn't.
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FallouttgrrlApr 3, 2026
+5
If you can't see how a nation under attack is different from police and a school shooter I don't know what to say lol
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
+1
I guess you can't tell the difference between attacking and killing innocent people in the same country and innocent people in a different country.
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FallouttgrrlApr 3, 2026
+5
Yeah because it's the only play they have against multiple surprise attacks that occurred against the regime during diplomatic talks
And it's the one they've always threatened
Honestly, as terrible as the Iranian regime is, this is like the one thing you can't fault them for
What else could they have done?
I mean, other than brutal strikes on life-sustaining infrastructure in the region, which the US has done or threatened to do to them and they've mostly avoided doing in return
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
-4
That's false. They have targeted Saudi's petrol infrastructure back in 2019 and targeted again along with Qatar's LNG in the first few days since the beginning of this war.
They are targeting Kuwaiti oil infrastructure for a daily basis for the past week, and I am not counting the attacks in the first few days. They literally attacked Kuwait's civilians' airport in the first day, before USA and Israel attacked any airport in Iran.
Still, just because USA and Israel attacks Iran doesn't mean Iran is allowed to hit many country that had nothing to do with the attacks.
If someone from a different neighbourhood broke your neighbour's window, does that excuse your neighbour to break the window of every house/flat in the neighbourhood even though he knows that the one who did it is from a different neighbourhood? No it doesn't, and USA and Israel hitting Iran isn't an excuse for IRGC to do what they did.
Many countries have labelled IRGC as a terrorist regime for good reasons.
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FallouttgrrlApr 3, 2026
+1
"USA and Israel hitting Iran isn't an excuse for IRGC to do what they did."
Yes, *it actually is*
In fact, it's the excuse to shut down the strait they have saber rattled about for literally decades
The US president likened this to Pearl Harbor, widely known as one of the most shameful sneak attacks in modern history
And the US Congress won't even call it a war
Let me be clear - F*** the Iranian Regime. They are horrific people doing horrific things
But when Trump is bombing schools, threatening water plants, and causing widespread devastation to the country, using military bases from neighboring countries, it is to be expected that Iran will do anything they can to make the war hurt the world in the way that it is being hurt
And through all this, Iran is still negotiating with most other countries to allow for the passage of ships to sell oil
They are lashing out to make this war as painful as possible to the perpetrators and have done incalculable harm to the US without landing a single attack on American soil
You can't just say "despite everything the US is doing to them, they really should pull their punches and keep to a gentlemanly conflict" when the US is threatening legit war crimes on civilian infrastructure
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
-1
Iran's regime has attacked civilian infrastructure in the region since day 1 including water plants before Trump's threats and denied that they did that. I've seen it in front of me. No way tens of drones and missiles targeting a civilian infrastructure by Iran doesn't count just because they did it before making a threat to do it.
No, the damage isn't done to the USA or Israel. The damage is done to the other countries in the region.
Israel doesn't care about the other countries in the region, and Trump is more interested in his military objectives and won't give up until he achieves his goals, especially with IRGC being weakened to this extent. Even if Trump wanted to retreat, the countries in the region might pay USA to take down the regime, which works in USA's favour, and there is the fact that these countries are buying military defence systems from the USA which makes it more profitable to the USA.
USA may have sold defense systems worth billions or tens of billions of USD to the gulf countries. That doesn't sound like a loss to the USA.
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FallouttgrrlApr 3, 2026
+1
The other countries in the region hosting US military assets and in a constant state of cold war with Iran? The ones asking Trump for a final solution to the Iran problem?
I'm not saying Iran is a good guy here. They aren't, at all.
But considering the state of affairs with them and the rest of the region, it's ridiculous to think that Iran won't use the tools available to them to make this as painful as possible, because if it works the regime will have a better chance of survival, and that's what the war is about to them.
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
+1
Yeah, the US bases are here to prevent other countries from invading them. If you learn the history of the GCC you will see what will likely happen to them if the US bases aren't around. Kuwait got invaded by Iraq twice and Yemen got ruined by Iran among other things.
It isn't about the regime's survival or about saving Iran. They are hitting these countries because they don't want to approve of Trump's demands that most center around giving up on making nuclear weapons and giving up funding proxies in the region such as Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Iraqi militia, and they believe that these attacks will make Trump give up.
Trump won't give up because of this. The USA has a lot more power in their arsenal, including a nuclear bomb. Saudia Arabia has a defence pact with Pakistan and that might force Pakistan to attack Iran. KSA and other countries in the region could hire other armies to attack Iran or buy a nuke.
On top of that, Iran's relationships with these countries has become bad from these attacks and the prevention of ships passing through the strait and attacking standby ships that UAE has freezed hundreds of billions of USD worth of Iranian assets.
Many regime members will continue to get killed because IRGC doesn't want to negotiate with Trump.
They even said that they will continue attacking countries in the region and preventing USA and Israel allies from using the strait even if Trump retreats. They will only stop if USA compensates them for around $200 billion of damages among other things.
Tell me, continuing attacking countries in the region and preventing them from using the strait that is also a part of UAE without UAE's approval until USA compensate them, does that count as an act of survival? What if USA retreats and Iran does that for a few years after USA's retreat, does that also count as an act of survival?
What about the Kuwaiti oil tanker that was anchored in the water away from the strait and was supposed to go to China? IRGC attacked it and claimed that it was an Israeli ship even though Kuwait is anti-Israel to the point that Israel isn't approved as a state in Kuwait. Was that also an act of survival?
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[deleted]Apr 3, 2026
+1
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Dark_World_BluesApr 3, 2026
+1
No, but you do.
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OldLondonApr 3, 2026
+1
Weirdly everything was fine a few weeks ago. What could possibly have changed ????
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