We need to stop pretending there is such a thing as "international law." 40% of the UN Security Council are currently waging offensive wars and the UN is powerless to stop it.
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf23 hr ago
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UN veto powers without ratified rome statute: US, russia, xina,
UN veto powers with ratified rome statute: France, UK.
It explains UN and member sheneningans in full depth.
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hemp_co1 day ago
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It has nothing to do with pretending or not pretending. International law does exist, but there is no higher level international body that can hold nations accountable to such law. I understand the instinct to say "Well because there is not enough accountability to that law then there is de facto no international law", but if we truly start acting like that and saying that it's okay for every nation to not consider international law at all, then we will be entering ourselves into a much more chaotic and anarchistic world.
The fact of the matter is that many middle powers and smaller nations do make real efforts to follow international law (even if they do often fall short), a good example might be sanction laws, which are followed by quite a lot of nations.
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Gullible_Increase14622 hr ago
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If there are laws that nobody cares about and nobody enforces, they aren't real. Kind of like how America had all those old sodomy laws from back in the day and everyone just started ignoring them.
At best, International laws are a proposed set of norms that everybody would be better off if they follow
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faffc26019 hr ago
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the problem is the enforcement agency is at odds with each other, and each can unilaterally strike down any actions. it's worked in the past, gulf war 1991 was UN mandated, korean war was un mandated and only reason sk exists today, the balkans were enforced by nato, though I don't remember if the UNSC signed off on it. several in africa, mostly in the 90's, when the world was the least at odds.
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SpiderSlitScrotums15 hr ago
+1
Did you read the above post? There are countries that follow them.
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Top_Conference_47710 hr ago
+1
The UN was never supposed to stop it, nor was it supposed to decide what was and wasn’t allowed. It’s a forum for the world powers to talk to prevent things like WW1 and 2 snowballing. That’s it.
If you’re looking at it for any other function you’re kind of missing the point
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alien2sick20 hr ago
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That's the problem people are disregarding it... Which is why the UN should be a central for all assets.. meaning if breaking international law your countries money could be devalued, sanctions placed, or completely cut off from global market
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HereIGoAgain9920 hr ago
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Come on. You think the US would listen? The finance world runs on the American banking system. American banks aren’t going to listen to the UN.
The truth is that the US controls the non-Chinese and Russian worlds. That will continue until another power inevitably replaces it. Europe is the obvious option, but they have no desire to supplant the US.
No one in the world cares what a bunch of unelected bureaucrats at the UN think.
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alien2sick19 hr ago
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That kinda attitude is the problem
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HereIGoAgain9918 hr ago
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Reality is frustrating, but believing in anything else is childish.
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alien2sick17 hr ago
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Being pessimistic is trash, not believing there is another way is ignorance
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HereIGoAgain9917 hr ago
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Okay, well I have the entirety of human civilization on my side, saying that individual states will always look to their self interests first. You can keep the childish belief that states will somehow voluntarily agree to give up the pursuit of limited resources to aid other people on the other side of the planet for “fairness.” Good luck. I hope Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny give you great presents this year as well.
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alien2sick16 hr ago
+1
Again that kinda thinking is the problem the fact that you it is why you're ignorant
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johnk41918 hr ago
+1
OK? I can believe I can fly and tell you your attitude is what is stopping you from flying, that doesn't make people flying any more realistic.
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alien2sick17 hr ago
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Thst comment is what we call pure ignorance kids... Stay in school
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johnk41917 hr ago
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Your one liner comment is not arguing anything. If you have a point to make put in the effort to argue it. Actually don't bother, from this comment alone I know you're clearly in your teens. Stay in school and learn geopolitics in university OK?
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ShadeSilver9023 hr ago
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Un resolution passed 20 YEARS ago says Un and Lebanon's army HAVE TO REMOVE HEZBOLLAH FROM THE BORDER OF ISRAEL...neither UNIFIL nor Lebanon did their job. So Un can SIT THE F*** DOWN unless it has an army to combat Hezbollah and accomplish their OWN RESOLUTION no one CARES what the UN has to say.
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HatCat55661 day ago
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If only the UN could use some of that money we send them to hire a force of soldiers to keep the peace. Maybe call the...peacepeople? peacepeepers? warwatchers? salaryreapers? ass-sitters?
OR different idea, maybe write a resolution and have Israel and Lebanon sign it saying Hezb should be disarmed.
Anyways crazy stuff. Better write a few more reports blaming Israel.
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ShadeSilver9023 hr ago
+28
Un has already signed a resolution 20 YEARS ago that makes it mandatory for Lebanon and UNIFIL to eject Hezbollah from Lebanon. Problem is Lebanons army is too small and UN's UNIFIL is useless and has been caught AIDING Hezbollah
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HatCat556623 hr ago
+16
yes i know i was being sarcastic
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Lethaldiran-NoggenEU23 hr ago
+7
salaryreapers made me burst laughing
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HatCat556623 hr ago
+14
The UN spends about 550 million per year for those 10,500 peacekeeper to chill in Lebanon near Hezb bases and occasionally get blown up.
Well, that's just their salary. I have no idea how much more it costs to house them, feed them, provide medical care etc etc. Call it an even 1b per year for them to watch the war between Israel and Hezb?
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johnk41918 hr ago
+4
The UN actively funded Hamas, I don't doubt the "peacekeepers" in Lebanon are there to arm Hezbollah.
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fools_errand491 day ago
+2
Peacepeepers sounds like some weird sort of vouyeurism lmao 🤣
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HatCat55661 day ago
+7
For only $20 million you can get a sneak peak at what the fuss is all about and sponsor your own unit of peacepeepers
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Zztrevor1251 day ago
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The problem is that the peacekeepers are just soldiers from poorer countries that are funded and controlled by western powers, specifically US as main financial backer.
They are sadly glorified police and protectors for US and western interests and will only help and intervene if it’s in US’s interests
And Israel and US share similar interests so US will ride for them since they are basically an American state at this point with US backing.
Israel would never get in trouble from UN like they should with veto system
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National-Two24171 day ago
+13
Somalia with the black hawk down incident was a perfect example of how useless UN peacekeepers are when stuff gets serious. Bosnia was another example.
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Ok-Drawer52451 day ago
+14
The UN id completely useless, just words, anything consequential is immediately vetoed
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Dizzy_Industry12871 day ago
+4
Key points:
– The UN says actions by both Israel and Hezbollah may violate international humanitarian law
– Concerns include strikes on civilian areas in Lebanon and unguided rocket fire into Israel
– Warning comes as the current ceasefire remains fragile and clashes continue
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Ecomonist1 day ago
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"unguided rockets" LoL. Where is the defining line there? I mean the USA simultaneously launched a rocket so precise that it piloted human beings out around the Moon and back, in the same month that they bombed an elementary school because they were "intending" to hit a military facility nearby. Meanwhile the leeches of that same military technology are bombing the shit out of civilian facilities intentionally, while appealing to the UN that their opponents are firing indiscriminate and "unguided rockets". The hypocrisy is so loud I can't hear myself think!!
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Special_Ad7121 day ago
+22
The US hit a target using a guided missile, not an unguided rocket. Intelligence was inaccurate and it ended up being a school, not a military barracks.
Theres a difference - the US military doesn’t really use many unguided missiles at all. Unguided missiles in the same case would’ve yeeting like a few hundred hydra-70s in the general direction of Tehran, which is what Hezbollah is doing.
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Ecomonist1 day ago
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But, why would Hezbollah be yeeting "unguided" anything? And to be fair, I imagine they were guided... with the same precision of a catapult. They're not wasting rockets with an attempt to hit barren ground. Basically, I'm saying calling the rockets unguided but the civilian-death-rockets guided, is hella-hypocritcal. Some might say it's a matter of semantics ... but knowing the bots here they'll say I'm making an anti-semantic argument. LoL
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BenHelldiver1 day ago
+13
Not an anti semantic argument, just a dumb argument
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macross19841 day ago
+3
And the point is? This breach has been going on for a while and UN has done nothing concrete about it anyway.
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International_Bee6531 day ago
+3
The UN is basically aquaman in that family guy clip
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Playful_Wrangler78361 day ago
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How is this news. Isreal breaches international law every day.
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HatCat55661 day ago
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Can you explain why, in an article about Israel and Hezb doing something wrong, you only posted blaming Israel?
Maybe Hezb could get the f*** out of Lebanon and let the Lebanese army decide how they want to deal with Israel?
But then Lebanon and Israel would have peace like Jordan or Egypt does with Israel, and that doesn't suit the Islamists and their western allies.
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badass_panda20 hr ago
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Wow, ya think?
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goasttbuster1 day ago
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National sheriffs are destroying Global peace. We should co-design a new global democracy - UN 2.0, which is well beyond national particular interests. With Direct democracy and no veto power.
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