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twojs1b Apr 12, 2026 +98

Vance didn't go there to negotiate he was given demands to be presented.

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Ytrewq9000 Apr 12, 2026 +20

Watch the orange man claim JD Vance screwed it up. And barrage him with insults.

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Illustrious-Syrup509 Apr 12, 2026 +4

Wasn't that couch good enough for him?

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ThoughtShes18 Apr 12, 2026 +3

And he didn’t even use his Midas touch of death that he is known for… sad times

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InterstellarReddit Apr 12, 2026 +40

I called it. No way trump sends Vance over to secure a victory that Trump will get no credit for. If there was a real possibility of a negotiation that would achieve something, Trump would have gone himself regardless. Instead, he's at the UFC fight tonight, that tells me that this was just an act to make it seem like we're being reasonable and they're not

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Mr_Stealy_ Apr 12, 2026 +12

Classic Russian tactics.

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TriXter69 Apr 12, 2026 +44

We barely tried anything and now we're out of ideas

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Dirt-Southern Apr 12, 2026 +6

Fairly certain ideas were already in place. This was a show.

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Chris881 Apr 12, 2026 +18

Friendly reminder that the deal Obama made took 3 years to be finalized. Trump threw that one to the trash.

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Dirt-Southern Apr 12, 2026 +11

So my stocks will go down Monday ...then the oops Just kidding will happen maybe Tuesday? I haven't looked at who bought shares this go around. But you know someone is about to crush it.

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bestestopinion Apr 12, 2026 +4

Why would they call it that and not Islamagood?

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Chrono_Convoy Apr 12, 2026 +16

Make sure that child has a seatbelt on the plane

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TotalEntrepreneur801 Apr 12, 2026 +3

All caps death threats incoming!

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Prize_Proof5332 Apr 12, 2026 +3

This won't look great on his resume.

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TheGambit Apr 12, 2026 +4

If Trump knew they’d be successful he’d had gone himself so he could claim he’s responsible for a victory. The talks were never going to end with an agreement

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cyborg574 Apr 12, 2026 +10

They just traveled there to get contracts of minerals of balochistan. Peace talks were an alibi

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 +15

Yup, so Pakistan is a vassal state of USA and Iran is going through a succession crisis. Why would anyone think that it was gonna work? Singapore is not touching it, India is not touching it, Switzerland is not touching it. They are neutral enough to actually get a deal done. But they know that it's not possible to mediate when Iran doesn't even have a well defined power structure anyone. No one really knows who is in charge. They are hashing it out.

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itcouldvbeenbetterif Apr 12, 2026 +2

Don't touch it.

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4RealzReddit Apr 12, 2026 +2

[don’t put it in your mouth?](https://youtu.be/5AuLkMBAFZg?si=P2MdlvKGry7DVKmY)

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 -4

That's what she said😢 I will see myself out

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AK_Panda Apr 12, 2026 +1

Yeah, maybe wiping out the entire leadership wasn't the best idea. Good to have someone left to negotiate with. Then there's the other issue of the current US not exactly being trustworthy, reliable or honest. So you've got 2 sides who can't trust each other and may, or may not, have the authority to even make a deal. F****** disaster.

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 -10

International relations contracts are self-enforcing by the way they are designed. They don't require trust. Problem is not that deal can't be made, problem is that we don't know who to make the deal with.

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AK_Panda Apr 12, 2026 +1

>International relations contracts are self-enforcing by the way they are designed. They don't require trust. What do you mean by this? If we make a peace deal, then eventually one of us has to go back to acting like we aren't at war. If the other is acting deceitfully, they can now launch a strike against their unsuspecting opponent. In such a situation trust does seem rather important, especially if we are agreeing to terms that purposefully expose us to harm from the other. That the deal doesn't last after such a strike doesn't really seem to matter. If you can't trust your opponents to stick to peace, then you can't afford to agree to terms which expose you to much risk.

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026

A proper contract will inflict cost on both parties if one backs off. That was a major problem with Iran Nuclear Deal. It didn't include direct enough cost on Israel and USA if USA backed down. That's why Israel was able to push the Trump Administration to abandon it. Free trade is one of those contracts. There is a reason we have so many TACO Tuesdays with respect to the Tariffs. Because they hurt both parties. Same was nuclear test ban treaties, or Mutually assured destruction. We know how to make self enforcing treaties. We do need state actors to make those deals with Otherwise we don't have a choice but to arm insurgencies in Iran to let our favorable faction win

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AK_Panda Apr 12, 2026 +1

>It didn't include direct enough cost on Israel and USA if USA backed down. That's why Israel was able to push the Trump Administration to abandon it. Hypothetically, what could have been included to increase the cost to the US of backing off? >Otherwise we don't have a choice but to arm insurgencies in Iran to let our favorable faction win From what Trump's already stated, they tried that already.

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 +3

It wasn't possible to make that kind of deal with Iran. Iran is not that big of a threat like soviet union was, specifically to the United States. So US didn't have the incentive to make a deal which it couldn't back out of easily. The fact that iran agreed to it, means that iran itself thought that the cost of nuclear enrichment was too damn high in terms of the effect it had on its economy (sanctions etc) They themselves wanted an off ramp out of the quagmire that nuclear enrichment had put them in. The fact that Obama understood it is testament to how wise he was. It's was a damn risky move. But unfortunately, it was never gonna last.

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AK_Panda Apr 12, 2026 +1

Okay that makes sense to me. Thanks for the discussion.

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Adventurous-Jump-370 Apr 12, 2026 +1

No they aren't, they require good faith from all sides, something that is totally absent from these negotiations.

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 -3

I will assume you have a degree is international relations, so you win. You are right. Congratulations

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Adventurous-Jump-370 Apr 12, 2026 +1

Do you have one?

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 -5

Let it go man. I am not gonna do a debate here.

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Adventurous-Jump-370 Apr 12, 2026 +3

right you talk out your arse and get shitty when called out.

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[deleted] Apr 12, 2026 -3

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Puzzleheaded-Mix6416 Apr 12, 2026

That's what Imran thought and we all know what happened to him.

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Dr-slyDragon007 Apr 12, 2026

Pakistan is doing this because it knows well hell is about to break loose and cause an oil crisis that will send its country into hyperinflation and default on IMF loans. So in order to capitalise on the inevitable, they have sent around 25000 troops to Saudi along with defense equipments, well above their requirement. In turn, they get huge loans and further extension of existing ones to keep the ball rolling and manage their IMF dues temporarily.

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dbmsmanagear Apr 12, 2026 +2

There is no way pakistan did it on its own without direction of USA

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4RealzReddit Apr 12, 2026 +2

did Iran and Afghanistan stop fight?

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OppositeHistorian289 Apr 12, 2026 +2

So, the deal making administration couldn’t make a deal!? How can that be!? /s

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whatsgoingon350 Apr 12, 2026 +1

I'm curious whats more important to a vice president that he has to leave negotiations.

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Puzzleheaded-Mix6416 Apr 12, 2026 -2

They actually believed they could broker negotiations between Israel, USA and Iran, even when most of Europe and Asia were avoiding hosting such talks.

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[deleted] Apr 12, 2026 -3

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fec2245 Apr 12, 2026 +5

Yeah, it's clearly good that Pakistan is trying to encourage talks and work towards peace. The people dunking on them just have an axe to grind.

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WhereIsLordBeric Apr 12, 2026 +2

That account is Indian and solely full of slandering Pakistan. Cannot imagine why people think that's a decent use of the one life they have on this planet.

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Puzzleheaded-Mix6416 Apr 12, 2026 +7

I wasn't going to comment until I saw Pakistanis celebrating like they won some global war while mocking India as ‘selling tea.’ Happy to burst your bubble. By the way, I have several week old posts with links showing that others were already avoiding such talks. So let me just say, Vassals will always remain vassals.

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Electronic-Radio-383 Apr 12, 2026 -5

The irony is in the name… Islam-a-bad

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WhereIsLordBeric Apr 12, 2026 +5

White people who speak only one language are so embarrassing omg.

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Electronic-Radio-383 Apr 12, 2026

Who says I’m white and only speak one language? If you see my profile Im clearly dark and missing a face.

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Enjoyer_of_Cake Apr 12, 2026 +1

If you want to avoid the profiling, you're gonna need to stop quoting white conservative humor circa 2002.

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Electronic-Radio-383 Apr 12, 2026 -2

Sorry, just one of my bad double entendres.. It’s like saying I’m half c*** and half asian.. I don’t mean to sound racist, I love supporting cultural diversity and sex.

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Several_Cold_7160 Apr 12, 2026 +3

Maybe in the English Language, sure. Dont think thats the case in whatever original text it was thought of

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OfferOwns Apr 12, 2026 +1

He wont make it to ufc

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MachineSpirited7085 Apr 12, 2026 +1

94 then 102 now 98 and coming monday is probably 110 for oil unless some ragebait news covers this lol

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karsh36 Apr 12, 2026 +1

I personally think Vance wanted the war over and was given demands by Trump. Don’t care for Vance, but he does have more sense than Trump (admittedly a low bar)

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fec2245 Apr 12, 2026 +1

There's no way Vance, even absent Trump, was going to agree to allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon.

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MikeSteamer Apr 12, 2026

That was quick - big effort

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Several_Cold_7160 Apr 12, 2026

Well that ended badly. Ffs here i was hoping they would reach a common ground. Can Vances place fly from Pakistan to USA in one go? (I am not familiar with air force one)

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Phoenix_Maximus_13 Apr 12, 2026 +3

It took Obama almost a full term to get a deal with Iran. Thinking a deal could be achieved over a weekend (21 hours especially) isn’t realistic sadly

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84Cressida Apr 12, 2026 +5

Yeah, nobody should’ve thought they’d get one after one day.

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Dirt-Southern Apr 12, 2026 +1

Don't worry, it's the country I live in...Donald Trump and JD Vance.. you could give them 30 years. I have splitting headaches thanks to this s administration.

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Several_Cold_7160 Apr 12, 2026

When you put it like that your right. *sigh*.

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