Vance didn't go there to negotiate he was given demands to be presented.
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Ytrewq90001 day ago
+20
Watch the orange man claim JD Vance screwed it up. And barrage him with insults.
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Illustrious-Syrup5091 day ago
+4
Wasn't that couch good enough for him?
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ThoughtShes181 day ago
+3
And he didn’t even use his Midas touch of death that he is known for… sad times
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InterstellarReddit1 day ago
+40
I called it. No way trump sends Vance over to secure a victory that Trump will get no credit for.
If there was a real possibility of a negotiation that would achieve something, Trump would have gone himself regardless.
Instead, he's at the UFC fight tonight, that tells me that this was just an act to make it seem like we're being reasonable and they're not
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Mr_Stealy_1 day ago
+12
Classic Russian tactics.
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TriXter691 day ago
+44
We barely tried anything and now we're out of ideas
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Dirt-Southern1 day ago
+6
Fairly certain ideas were already in place. This was a show.
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Chris8811 day ago
+18
Friendly reminder that the deal Obama made took 3 years to be finalized. Trump threw that one to the trash.
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Dirt-Southern1 day ago
+11
So my stocks will go down Monday ...then the oops Just kidding will happen maybe Tuesday? I haven't looked at who bought shares this go around. But you know someone is about to crush it.
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bestestopinion1 day ago
+4
Why would they call it that and not Islamagood?
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Chrono_Convoy1 day ago
+16
Make sure that child has a seatbelt on the plane
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TotalEntrepreneur8011 day ago
+3
All caps death threats incoming!
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Prize_Proof53321 day ago
+3
This won't look great on his resume.
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TheGambit23 hr ago
+4
If Trump knew they’d be successful he’d had gone himself so he could claim he’s responsible for a victory. The talks were never going to end with an agreement
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cyborg5741 day ago
+10
They just traveled there to get contracts of minerals of balochistan. Peace talks were an alibi
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
+15
Yup, so Pakistan is a vassal state of USA and Iran is going through a succession crisis. Why would anyone think that it was gonna work?
Singapore is not touching it, India is not touching it, Switzerland is not touching it. They are neutral enough to actually get a deal done. But they know that it's not possible to mediate when Iran doesn't even have a well defined power structure anyone. No one really knows who is in charge. They are hashing it out.
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itcouldvbeenbetterif1 day ago
+2
Don't touch it.
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4RealzReddit1 day ago
+2
[don’t put it in your mouth?](https://youtu.be/5AuLkMBAFZg?si=P2MdlvKGry7DVKmY)
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
-4
That's what she said😢
I will see myself out
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AK_Panda1 day ago
+1
Yeah, maybe wiping out the entire leadership wasn't the best idea. Good to have someone left to negotiate with.
Then there's the other issue of the current US not exactly being trustworthy, reliable or honest.
So you've got 2 sides who can't trust each other and may, or may not, have the authority to even make a deal.
F****** disaster.
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
-10
International relations contracts are self-enforcing by the way they are designed. They don't require trust.
Problem is not that deal can't be made, problem is that we don't know who to make the deal with.
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AK_Panda1 day ago
+1
>International relations contracts are self-enforcing by the way they are designed. They don't require trust.
What do you mean by this?
If we make a peace deal, then eventually one of us has to go back to acting like we aren't at war. If the other is acting deceitfully, they can now launch a strike against their unsuspecting opponent. In such a situation trust does seem rather important, especially if we are agreeing to terms that purposefully expose us to harm from the other.
That the deal doesn't last after such a strike doesn't really seem to matter. If you can't trust your opponents to stick to peace, then you can't afford to agree to terms which expose you to much risk.
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
A proper contract will inflict cost on both parties if one backs off.
That was a major problem with Iran Nuclear Deal.
It didn't include direct enough cost on Israel and USA if USA backed down. That's why Israel was able to push the Trump Administration to abandon it.
Free trade is one of those contracts. There is a reason we have so many TACO Tuesdays with respect to the Tariffs. Because they hurt both parties.
Same was nuclear test ban treaties, or Mutually assured destruction.
We know how to make self enforcing treaties. We do need state actors to make those deals with
Otherwise we don't have a choice but to arm insurgencies in Iran to let our favorable faction win
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AK_Panda1 day ago
+1
>It didn't include direct enough cost on Israel and USA if USA backed down. That's why Israel was able to push the Trump Administration to abandon it.
Hypothetically, what could have been included to increase the cost to the US of backing off?
>Otherwise we don't have a choice but to arm insurgencies in Iran to let our favorable faction win
From what Trump's already stated, they tried that already.
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
+3
It wasn't possible to make that kind of deal with Iran. Iran is not that big of a threat like soviet union was, specifically to the United States. So US didn't have the incentive to make a deal which it couldn't back out of easily. The fact that iran agreed to it, means that iran itself thought that the cost of nuclear enrichment was too damn high in terms of the effect it had on its economy (sanctions etc)
They themselves wanted an off ramp out of the quagmire that nuclear enrichment had put them in. The fact that Obama understood it is testament to how wise he was. It's was a damn risky move.
But unfortunately, it was never gonna last.
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AK_Panda1 day ago
+1
Okay that makes sense to me. Thanks for the discussion.
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Adventurous-Jump-3701 day ago
+1
No they aren't, they require good faith from all sides, something that is totally absent from these negotiations.
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
-3
I will assume you have a degree is international relations, so you win. You are right. Congratulations
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Adventurous-Jump-3701 day ago
+1
Do you have one?
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
-5
Let it go man. I am not gonna do a debate here.
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Adventurous-Jump-3701 day ago
+3
right you talk out your arse and get shitty when called out.
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Puzzleheaded-Mix64161 day ago
That's what Imran thought and we all know what happened to him.
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Dr-slyDragon0071 day ago
Pakistan is doing this because it knows well hell is about to break loose and cause an oil crisis that will send its country into hyperinflation and default on IMF loans.
So in order to capitalise on the inevitable, they have sent around 25000 troops to Saudi along with defense equipments, well above their requirement.
In turn, they get huge loans and further extension of existing ones to keep the ball rolling and manage their IMF dues temporarily.
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dbmsmanagear1 day ago
+2
There is no way pakistan did it on its own without direction of USA
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4RealzReddit1 day ago
+2
did Iran and Afghanistan stop fight?
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OppositeHistorian2891 day ago
+2
So, the deal making administration couldn’t make a deal!? How can that be!? /s
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whatsgoingon3501 day ago
+1
I'm curious whats more important to a vice president that he has to leave negotiations.
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Puzzleheaded-Mix64161 day ago
-2
They actually believed they could broker negotiations between Israel, USA and Iran, even when most of Europe and Asia were avoiding hosting such talks.
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fec22451 day ago
+5
Yeah, it's clearly good that Pakistan is trying to encourage talks and work towards peace. The people dunking on them just have an axe to grind.
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WhereIsLordBeric23 hr ago
+2
That account is Indian and solely full of slandering Pakistan. Cannot imagine why people think that's a decent use of the one life they have on this planet.
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Puzzleheaded-Mix64161 day ago
+7
I wasn't going to comment until I saw Pakistanis celebrating like they won some global war while mocking India as ‘selling tea.’ Happy to burst your bubble.
By the way, I have several week old posts with links showing that others were already avoiding such talks. So let me just say, Vassals will always remain vassals.
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Electronic-Radio-3831 day ago
-5
The irony is in the name…
Islam-a-bad
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WhereIsLordBeric1 day ago
+5
White people who speak only one language are so embarrassing omg.
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Electronic-Radio-3831 day ago
Who says I’m white and only speak one language?
If you see my profile Im clearly dark and missing a face.
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Enjoyer_of_Cake1 day ago
+1
If you want to avoid the profiling, you're gonna need to stop quoting white conservative humor circa 2002.
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Electronic-Radio-3831 day ago
-2
Sorry, just one of my bad double entendres.. It’s like saying I’m half c*** and half asian.. I don’t mean to sound racist, I love supporting cultural diversity and sex.
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Several_Cold_71601 day ago
+3
Maybe in the English Language, sure. Dont think thats the case in whatever original text it was thought of
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OfferOwns1 day ago
+1
He wont make it to ufc
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MachineSpirited70851 day ago
+1
94 then 102 now 98 and coming monday is probably 110 for oil unless some ragebait news covers this lol
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karsh361 day ago
+1
I personally think Vance wanted the war over and was given demands by Trump. Don’t care for Vance, but he does have more sense than Trump (admittedly a low bar)
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fec22451 day ago
+1
There's no way Vance, even absent Trump, was going to agree to allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon.
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MikeSteamer1 day ago
That was quick - big effort
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Several_Cold_71601 day ago
Well that ended badly. Ffs here i was hoping they would reach a common ground. Can Vances place fly from Pakistan to USA in one go? (I am not familiar with air force one)
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Phoenix_Maximus_131 day ago
+3
It took Obama almost a full term to get a deal with Iran. Thinking a deal could be achieved over a weekend (21 hours especially) isn’t realistic sadly
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84Cressida1 day ago
+5
Yeah, nobody should’ve thought they’d get one after one day.
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Dirt-Southern1 day ago
+1
Don't worry, it's the country I live in...Donald Trump and JD Vance.. you could give them 30 years. I have splitting headaches thanks to this s administration.
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